POV-Ray 3.7 beta in experimental, but non-redistributable

2010-01-01 Thread Nicolas Alvarez
POV-Ray 3.7 beta is available from povray.org as compiled binaries for 
Microsoft 
Windows, and as source code tarballs. It's the first time the developers make 
source code available during beta development (usually there were only binaries 
available until the final release). However, the betas still have a different 
license from the one used in final releases; it's the standard POV-Ray license 
plus several *strict* restrictions specific to betas.

Today I found that POV-Ray 3.7 is packaged in experimental:
http://packages.debian.org/experimental/povray

It's also patched to disable the beta expiration:
http://patch-
tracker.debian.org/patch/series/view/povray/1:3.7.0~beta29-1/80_beta.diff

This seems to violate the beta license in *every possible way*. Here are the 
restrictions, taken from one of the source files from the upstream source 
tarball:

 * NOTICE
 *
 * This file is part of a BETA-TEST version of POV-Ray version 3.7. It is not
 * final code. Use of this source file is governed by both the standard POV-Ray
 * licences referred to in the copyright header block above this notice, and the
 * following additional restrictions numbered 1 through 4 below:
 *
 *   1. This source file may not be re-distributed without the written 
permission
 *  of Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty. Ltd.
 *
 *   2. This notice may not be altered or removed.
 *   
 *   3. Binaries generated from this source file by individuals for their own
 *  personal use may not be re-distributed without the written permission
 *  of Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty. Ltd. Such personal-use binaries
 *  are not required to have a timeout, and thus permission is granted in
 *  these circumstances only to disable the timeout code contained within
 *  the beta software.
 *   
 *   4. Binaries generated from this source file for use within an 
organizational
 *  unit (such as, but not limited to, a company or university) may not be
 *  distributed beyond the local organizational unit in which they were 
made,
 *  unless written permission is obtained from Persistence of Vision 
Raytracer
 *  Pty. Ltd. Additionally, the timeout code implemented within the beta may
 *  not be disabled or otherwise bypassed in any manner.

The Debian package is redistributing entire source code of POV-Ray 3.7, 
available 
through packages.debian.org website and apt-get source -texperimental povray. 
This violates clause 1.

The extra license restrictions for 3.7 betas are not present in 
/usr/share/doc/povray, which *I think* may violate clause 2. 

The Debian package disables the beta timeout code, which is only allowed for 
personal use (according to clause 3), not for wider distribution.

In addition, I don't think a Linux distribution counts as an organizational 
unit 
as mentioned in clause 4; therefore Debian wouldn't be allowed to redistribute 
3.7 
betas at all.

I have asked in POV-Ray newsgroups about this today, but got no answer yet (not 
like I expected an answer so fast there). I will forward this message to 
povray.beta-test.

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Re: POV-Ray 3.7 beta in experimental, but non-redistributable

2010-01-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Jan 02, 2010 at 01:55:18AM -0300, Nicolas Alvarez a écrit :
 
 Today I found that POV-Ray 3.7 is packaged in experimental:
 http://packages.debian.org/experimental/povray
 
 
 This seems to violate the beta license in *every possible way*. Here are the 
 restrictions, taken from one of the source files from the upstream source 
 tarball:
 
  * NOTICE
  *
  * This file is part of a BETA-TEST version of POV-Ray version 3.7. It is not
  * final code. Use of this source file is governed by both the standard 
 POV-Ray
  * licences referred to in the copyright header block above this notice, and 
 the
  * following additional restrictions numbered 1 through 4 below:
  *
  *   1. This source file may not be re-distributed without the written 
 permission
  *  of Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty. Ltd.

Dear Nicolas,

indeed, the Debian copyright file of the povray does not mention written
permissions from Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty. Ltd. I think that this is
enough to open a Serious bug on the Debian povray package (version
3.7.0~beta29-1). If the povray package maintainers get the permission to
distribute and disable the timeout, or simply forgot to mention that they
already got it, they can close the bug with an upload that corrects the Debian
copyright file, and otherwise the bug can be reassigned to ftp.debian.org as a
request for removal. 

Have a nice day,

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Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan


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Re: POV-Ray 3.7 beta in experimental, but non-redistributable

2010-01-01 Thread Nicolas Alvarez
Charles Plessy wrote:
 Dear Nicolas,
 
 indeed, the Debian copyright file of the povray does not mention written
 permissions from Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty. Ltd. I think that
 this is enough to open a Serious bug on the Debian povray package (version
 3.7.0~beta29-1). If the povray package maintainers get the permission to
 distribute and disable the timeout, or simply forgot to mention that they
 already got it, they can close the bug with an upload that corrects the
 Debian copyright file, and otherwise the bug can be reassigned to
 ftp.debian.org as a request for removal.
 
 Have a nice day,

Thanks for your reply. I have filed #563344.

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