Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
On Sep 30, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Suspect indicator that you are decades younger than I. But I've been wrong before. I suspect not, unless you are an octogenarian at minimum. This seems unlikely, so my best guess is that we are roughly the same age, with a distinct possibility that I am older. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
On Monday 30 September 2013 15:48:35 Catherine Gramze wrote: On Sep 30, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Suspect indicator that you are decades younger than I. But I've been wrong before. I suspect not, unless you are an octogenarian at minimum. This seems unlikely, so my best guess is that we are roughly the same age, with a distinct possibility that I am older. Richard seems to need to believe himself to be extremely unusually old for the list and to have used computers for far longer than anyone else. He is younger than I am, and I am by no means the oldest on this list; so he is probably younger than you are! Last time he told us his age, which he used to do with every email, he was in his sixties, so not very old at all. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201309301630.48250.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
On 30/09/13 11:30 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Richard seems to need to believe himself to be extremely unusually old for the list and to have used computers for far longer than anyone else. He is younger than I am, and I am by no means the oldest on this list; so he is probably younger than you are! Last time he told us his age, which he used to do with every email, he was in his sixties, so not very old at all. Not compared with me :) I suspect I beat you both. Born in 1941. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52499adc.9010...@videotron.ca
Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
On Sep 30, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote: Richard seems to need to believe himself to be extremely unusually old for the list and to have used computers for far longer than anyone else. He is younger than I am, and I am by no means the oldest on this list; so he is probably younger than you are! Last time he told us his age, which he used to do with every email, he was in his sixties, so not very old at all. How very unfortunate that he does seem to be almost a decade older than me. Too bad. But you can add me to the list of people who remember Fidonet, 300 baud modems, Mosaic (on OS/2, I have always disliked Windows!) Usenet when it was mailing lists, Gopher, and telnet. I suppose now somebody will remind us of the off-topic list and suggest we take it there. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
On Monday 30 September 2013 16:38:04 Frank McCormick wrote: Not compared with me :) I suspect I beat you both. Born in 1941. :-) As I said, there are plenty who are older than I am - it isn't a competition! But I still maintain that 60+ is not very old. ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201309302310.48717.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
On Monday 30 September 2013 17:58:19 Catherine Gramze wrote: I suppose now somebody will remind us of the off-topic list and suggest we take it there. ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201309302311.51866.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 09:05 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: In the meantime, synaptic and others essentially go through su or sudo and pop up a dialog asking for your root or admin password. Resp. those commands are gksu, gksudo, kdesu. Thank you for solution to immediate problem. A good night's sleep yielded obvious general solution - format the partition appropriately , i.e. FAT32 in *this* instance ;) Hint to some 'purists' - Why have groups/users/etc when only one person has physical access, there is no possibility of network access (internet or other), and the machine in question (being designated experimentation) has no data of value on it? chuckle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5247030c.30...@cloud85.net
Re: Re (2): Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: From: Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:05:33 +0900 ... make all the users that write to it [a folder] members of the group. If you don't object to the question, would those users tend to be people or projects or tasks? Good question! Answer: Yes. ;-) Okay, okay, I'll unpack that. We tend to think of user ids in a system as being one-to-one mapped to the people using the system. That is a wrong way to think. (And one of the reasons ACLs are just plain wrong.) Trying to generalize without getting too abstract, your personal computer needs at least an admin user (besides root) and a personal user for general tasks and a personal user for bank access, etc. (Ideally, we'd have user ids for pretty much every task we have, but we don't really have the tools for managing so many users and for using them meaningfully. Generating a jailed session for the browser when you go surfing is still not exactly easy to fit into your workflow.) When a computer or a network is used for community tasks and projects, that task or project needs a user id and a resources assigned to it. It may work better to have a password shared by members of the task group, so they can log on as the task user, or it may work better to not allow the project virtual user to log in, all access to the project resources by membership in the project group. But each user that will access the task/project resources will need to be members of the system group assigned to the task/project. Daemons are actually just managers of shared resources, which is why they tend to have user and group ids (and resources) assigned to them. Thanks. I've been trying to put up an explanation of this in my blog for quite a while. This is about as cogent an explanation as I've come up with yet. Maybe it will help me produce a proper blog post (if there is such a thing :^|) -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caar43iolho-xxjumfbvfopvjgjego9wa3puao9az2+o8tqp...@mail.gmail.com
Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
I have a machine set aside for learning by experimentation.
It will have at least Squeeze *and* Wheezy installed.
I have created a multi-GB partition that I wish accessible to both.
I have done install from
[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 Squeeze - Official i386 DVD Binary-1
20120512-13:45]
I successfully mounted mydatapartition by clicking on it under
the Places dropdown menu and responding with the root password.
That placed its icon on my desktop as expected. Clicking on it
opened a file browser. Clicking in the empty area displayed a
menu including Create Folder. T'was greyed out :{ As I had no
problem creating a folder on the Desktop I concluded
permission issue.
Google was unsatisfactory, links discussed why /or what not how.
I suspect that if I followed links from
https://wiki.debian.org/Permissions I could figure out how to do
it from command-line. *BUT* I'm looking for the GUI solution.
Sub-question: When operating in a terminal, one may issue a su
command and then proceed with full root
privileges/responsibilities. What is GUI equivalent?
TIA
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Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote:
I have a machine set aside for learning by experimentation.
It will have at least Squeeze *and* Wheezy installed.
I have created a multi-GB partition that I wish accessible to both.
I have done install from
[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 Squeeze - Official i386 DVD Binary-1
20120512-13:45]
I successfully mounted mydatapartition by clicking on it under the
Places dropdown menu and responding with the root password.
That placed its icon on my desktop as expected. Clicking on it opened a file
browser. Clicking in the empty area displayed a menu including Create
Folder. T'was greyed out :{ As I had no problem creating a folder on the
Desktop I concluded permission issue.
Yeah ...
Google was unsatisfactory, links discussed why /or what not how.
I suspect that if I followed links from https://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
I could figure out how to do it from command-line.
It's a good exercise in refreshing your understanding of the underlying issues.
For my taste, when I make such a partition, I make a user and group to
own the partition, and set that user/group to nologin. Then I can set
the group permissions on the folder to R/W and make all the users that
write to it members of the group.
I find it helps. actually, to make subfolders of said folder for each
user that will write to that folder, and then the top shared folder
can be set to read-only for the group.
*BUT* I'm looking for the
GUI solution.
Right-click and Properties didn't get you a tabbed dialog with a
Permissions tab? You may need a few (tens of) seconds for the
response to the right-click, depending on your system resources in
use.
Oh, and you may find you want to set your sudoers up. Many of the gui
tools are going through sudo instead of su now, to avoid overuse of
the root password.
Sub-question: When operating in a terminal, one may issue a su command and
then proceed with full root privileges/responsibilities. What is GUI
equivalent?
That's one of the many badder ideas that Microsoft has patented. We'll
be free of GUI widgets that try to do that for another seven or eight
years, if I remember right.
In the meantime, synaptic and others essentially go through su or sudo
and pop up a dialog asking for your root or admin password. And I
avoid those dialogs by running the tools sudo from the command line in
my admin account and avoiding using them in my working account.
--
Joel Rees
Be careful where you see conspiracy.
Look first in your own heart.
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Re (2): Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
From: Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:05:33 +0900 ... make all the users that write to it [a folder] members of the group. If you don't object to the question, would those users tend to be people or projects or tasks? Thanks,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 Bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca http://carnot.yi.org/ http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/index.html#Itinerary -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/E1VPiir-0003dc-GX@dalton.invalid
Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue
On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 09:05 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: In the meantime, synaptic and others essentially go through su or sudo and pop up a dialog asking for your root or admin password. Resp. those commands are gksu, gksudo, kdesu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1380338545.689.53.camel@archlinux
