Bug#501954: use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:05:57PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:50:29AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Package: wiki.debian.org > > Severity: wishlist > > > > I hereby propose wiki.debian.org be moved from MoinMoin to the popular > > MediaWiki software. > > > > I expect this proposal to sit here for several years slowly gaining > > supporters (so please don't just stamp it wontfix, etc.) By that time > > there will be even more programs available to do the conversion than now. > > There is a page on the Wiki where others (including me) already brought > this up, please find it and link it (or maybe better to paste it). > > Mentioning only "popular" as the argument for MediaWiki does not do it > justice, in fact maybe even the opposite... In the interest of fairness, I looked it up myself, and found it pretty quickly at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWebsiteDiscussion Mediawiki? I'm really ashamed to bring this up, but maybe Debian could consider a change to MediaWiki? I guess I'll get flamed for this, but I actually think it's a much nicer interface (eye candy and usage-wise). If you compare with e.g., the Gentoo wiki, the Gentoo wiki has a much higher activity than the Debian wiki has, and I think the userbase does not explain this (I'd expect Debian to be just as large). Very sorry to bring this up, be gentle with the flaming of me now! Answer wiki.debian.org is a 4 months old wiki started after the DSA volunteered to host an official Debian wiki instead of having Michael Ivey host wiki.debian.net using Kwiki. The switch to Moin happened at the same time. When the wiki was still run with Kwiki, I think I was the most insistent person to request a move to MediaWiki. Kwiki is a really poor engine, so migrating to Moin already improved things more than they would be improved now by switching to MediaWiki. When the migration occured, Moin was in a little bit better position to be used by DSA than MediaWiki, Moin was in Debian since a long time while MediaWiki was only ITP-ed. When the migration was complete though, MediaWiki was already in Sid, so it must not have been a big factor for the DSA. My guess is that the DSA chose Moin since it's in Python while MediaWiki is in PHP (I don't see anything else explaining why an engine so clearly inferior to MediaWiki in terms of usability would have been chosen). If you still think that moving to MediaWiki is worth it and there is a chance that DSA agrees and implements that, there are other pages about migrating to MediaWiki (e.g. HelpMoveDebianWikiToMediaWiki or DebianWiki/Engine) where this discussion should be more appropriate. This page can probably be deleted. small note to wikis moinmoin seems currently (2007) the most feature rich and flexible wiki technology available, and it will stay so for some time. its biggest advantage is the graphical editor, but also its simpler wiki syntax and theming make it much easier to use for a beginner. from an administration point of view it is also much simpler. just try to get personal moin run on your pc in 5 min and synchronize with a real moin on the web which has wiki sync enabled. -- ThurnerRupert 2007-06-13 07:35:13 software This Wiki software that we're using right now, and/or the way it is set up, is just horribly unfriendly compared to MediaWiki. I admit I could be biased, having made tens of thousands of edits on Wikipedia under MediaWiki, but other than a gazillion functional user interfaces fixes that it could greatly benefit from, it could also benefit from mediawiki stuff such as namespaces, slashes in URLs, no CamelCase (ugh), categorization that is distinct from the rest of the pages, or Special:Whatlinkshere (list of links to the page), or edit links on sections... heck, this discussion page as such seems strange to me, with people using subsections for responses rather than indentation... --Joy I should also mention - this thing doesn't allow me to remember my login credentials in the browser. While this could be considered a security feature, and is probably possible to work around using greasemonkey or whatever, it's also really annoying :) --Joy Another thing is that we don't seem to have administrator users here. I don't know if this is the fault of our current installation (maybe we just don't have a way of listing them? :) or a generic problem, but MediaWiki has that, and admins are able to ban spammers etc. --Joy -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROT
Bug#501954: use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin
If MediaWiki is to be crossed off the longterm wishlist, so be it. You all have a clearer view of each wiki's momentum than I. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501954: use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin
Am Dienstag, den 14.10.2008, 09:20 +0800 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > OK, now I made http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Engine and > http://wiki.debian.org/HelpMoveDebianWikiToMediaWiki also link back to > this bug so users can better find this proposal in the BTS rather than > opening a new wishlist. The pros and cons are already mentioned on > those web pages. Just let this bug be a longterm standing request to > compliment those web pages. No action required for now. Thanks. Neither of the two pages do answer Josip's nor Franklin's question on what's the rationale for the proposal. There is a short list of advantages that MediaWiki would have over twiki in the Engine page, but almost all of them are available through usage of Moin already, so I like to follow Franklin's reason for closing this bug. The HelpMoveToMediaWiki page also lists many people that would like to help to move away from kwiki/twiki so I'm not sure wether they are still all that eager since the switch to Moin. So, agreeing with Franklin here, if you aren't able to bring up a rationale for why you want to have the switch, this bug doesn't make sense. With the same reasoning one could open a bugreport for switching to ikiwiki. And to some degree I would even see the good in the latter. :) So long, Rhonda signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Bug#501954: use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin
OK, now I made http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Engine and http://wiki.debian.org/HelpMoveDebianWikiToMediaWiki also link back to this bug so users can better find this proposal in the BTS rather than opening a new wishlist. The pros and cons are already mentioned on those web pages. Just let this bug be a longterm standing request to compliment those web pages. No action required for now. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501954: use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:50:29AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Package: wiki.debian.org > Severity: wishlist > > I hereby propose wiki.debian.org be moved from MoinMoin to the popular > MediaWiki software. > > I expect this proposal to sit here for several years slowly gaining > supporters (so please don't just stamp it wontfix, etc.) By that time > there will be even more programs available to do the conversion than now. There is a page on the Wiki where others (including me) already brought this up, please find it and link it (or maybe better to paste it). Mentioning only "popular" as the argument for MediaWiki does not do it justice, in fact maybe even the opposite... -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501954: use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin
On Sun, 2008-10-12 at 05:50 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Package: wiki.debian.org > Severity: wishlist > > I hereby propose wiki.debian.org be moved from MoinMoin to the popular > MediaWiki software. Please provide rationale for this proposal. > I expect this proposal to sit here for several years slowly gaining > supporters (so please don't just stamp it wontfix, etc.) By that time > there will be even more programs available to do the conversion than > now. Unless you provide some rationale, I would close this wishlist. BTW, The following pages are considered replace to elaborate : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/Engine http://wiki.debian.org/HelpMoveDebianWikiToMediaWiki Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501954: use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin
Hi, On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:50:29AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Package: wiki.debian.org > Severity: wishlist > > I hereby propose wiki.debian.org be moved from MoinMoin to the popular > MediaWiki software. > > I expect this proposal to sit here for several years slowly gaining > supporters (so please don't just stamp it wontfix, etc.) By that time > there will be even more programs available to do the conversion than now. Unless MediaWiki conversion (including table support) and XML export capability exist, I strongly oppose it. It breaks debian-reference package maintenance. I do not mind if other URL is used and provide another site if someone maintain. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#501954: use MediaWiki instead of MoinMoin
Package: wiki.debian.org Severity: wishlist I hereby propose wiki.debian.org be moved from MoinMoin to the popular MediaWiki software. I expect this proposal to sit here for several years slowly gaining supporters (so please don't just stamp it wontfix, etc.) By that time there will be even more programs available to do the conversion than now. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
