Re: wormers
I quote: "WormGuard Plus Series 4 attacks and pierces the worms exoskeleton and dehydrates them to death." I would think that anything that is capable of "attacking and piercing the worm's exoskeleton"would alsobe capable of attacking and piercing the cat's intestinal wall, leading to DEATH. In addition, most intestinal worms DO NOT HAVE exoskeletons. Earth worms have exoskeletons, most intestinal worms do NOT. IE: "Roundworms are triploblastic (Click link for more info and facts about protostome)protostomes with a complete (The system that makes food absorbable into the body)digestive system. They are thin and are round in cross section, though they are actually (Click link for more info and facts about bilaterally symmetrical)bilaterally symmetrical. The body cavity is reduced to a narrow (Click link for more info and facts about pseudocoelom)pseudocoelom. The mouth is often surrounded by various flaps or projections used in feeding and sensation. The portion of the body past the (Excretory opening at the end of the alimentary canal)anus or (A waste pipe that carries away sewage or surface water)cloaca is called the "tail." The epidermis secretes a layered cuticle made of (A fibrous scleroprotein that occurs in the outer layer of the skin and in horny tissues such as hair feathers nails and hooves)keratin that protects the body from drying out, from digestive juices, or from other harsh environments, as well as in some forms sporting projections that aid in locomotion. This cuticle is shed as the parasite grows.Roundworms have a simple nervous system, with a main nerve cord running along the ventral side. Sensory structures at the anterior end are called amphids, while sensory structures at the posterior end are called phasmids." Furthermore, after doing a bit of snooping through the websites for this product, I found PROOF that the owner of the site is guilty of DISHONESTY and FALSE ADVERTISEMENT. Read on On this webpage http://www.petmedicinechest.com/feline/discussions/parasitestext.asp it quotes a "satisfied customer" as saying: "In the summer of 2000, I used Parastem and Worm-Out on my cat. I noticed what looked like blood splotches on our tile floor and thought my cat had cut his foot and was bleeding somewhat. Upon getting on my hands and knees to clean the floor I noticed these blood splotches "moving". What I realized was that these were worms coming out of my cat due to the Parastem. They had a clear almost saran looking skin around them that I could see through and see their insides which contained the blood they had been sucking from my cat. It was rather eerie, but I could clearly see for myself that our regiment to clean up our cat was working. Literally right before my eyes." Rose from the Feline Medicine Chest Then, on this webpage http://www.jeanesholistics.com/wormout.html it quotesthe same"satisfied customer" as saying: "In the summer of 2000, I used Parastem and Worm-Out on my dog. I noticed what looked like blood splotches on our tile floor and thought my dog had cut his foot and was bleeding somewhat. Upon getting on my hands and knees to clean the floor I noticed these blood splotches "moving". What I realized was that these were worms coming out of my dog due to the Parastem. They had a clear almost saran looking skin around them that I could see through and see their insides which contained the blood they had been sucking from my dog. It was rather eerie, but I could clearly see for myself that our regiment to clean up our dog's insides was working--literally right before my eyes." Rose from the Canine Medicine Chest THIS exclusively proves that they are NOT using customer quotes, because in one version of the "quote" it says she used it on a cat, and in the other, on a dog. Personally... I don't trust the life and health of MY pet's to LYING BASTARDS just trying to make a few bucks. Be your own judge though. I agree with the person who said it's "snake oil". It's just a bottled and labeled for pet's version of Diatomaceous Earth anyways. http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/2004-July/008619.html Is the only negative info I could find online off hand. Seems many people have been feeding it to their animals (and even themselves) with no ill effects for quite some time. Here read all about it:http://www.google.com/search?num=20hl=enlr=safe=offrls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2004-48%2CGGLD%3Aenq=Diatomaceous+EarthbtnG=Search Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.htmlAdopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old
Re: wormers--- coccidia
just reposting this, since it's slightly on the topic at hand: (I wonder if Ronidazole will be useful for other types of parasites some day?) Trichomonosis in cats According to Dr S. Marks of UC-Davis School of Veterinary Medicine: Tritrichomonas foetus, the primary causative agent of bovine trichomoniasis, has recently been recognized as a protozoal [intestinal] pathogen in cats. One study showed a high prevalence in cat show and cattery animals. Often misdiagnosed as Giardia, T. foetus infected cats treated with an appropriate Giardia therapy do not respond. Clinical signs of Tritrichomonas foetus include chronic or re-occurring diarrhea. Often the anus is red, swollen, and painful, and fecal incontinence is not uncommon. Most cats are usually bright, alert, and responsive, and in good body condition with a normal appetite. T. foetus can be found in cats not showing clinical signs. InPouchTF (Biomed Diagnostics, White City, Oregon) is a test developed to identify Tritrichomonas foetus in cows, but can be used in a veterinary hospital setting to test cats for the protozoa. This is the test we used to confirm Pharaohs diagnosis. InPouch TF has shown a 90% rate of sensitivity to the protozoa, a six-fold increase over trying to diagnosis this protozoa via a microscopic examination of fecal material. Tritrichomonas foetus is not considered to be zoonotic (transmissible to people) but as it can affect cows and pigs, anyone with these animals and a cat with chronic diarrhea has cause for concern. At the time Dr. Marks wrote his presentation, no treatment options were available. By June of this summer (2005), after many drug trials had been unsuccessful, Ronidazole was showing promise in research trials. Once diagnosed with Tritrichomonas foetus, Ronidazole is the drug currently being tested for use in cats. This is an off-label use of the drug and is not guaranteed to be a treatment. Dosing being used by researchers is 30-50mg/kg orally once every 12 hours for 14 days. However, research has not yet decided if this is the optimal dose. Ronidazole is produced by SIGMA Pharmaceuticals. It must be kept frozen. Currently it is a relatively reasonably priced drug this may change in the future. It is important to know that recovered cats can remain infected. Periods of stress do seem to play a strong role in recurrence of clinical signs. The most sensitive test for Tritrichomonas foetus is a PCR of DNA extracted from feces with a 97%+ sensitivity to the protozoa. This test is only performed at the veterinary laboratory at North Carolina State University. A lima bean sized amount of feces must be placed in 5-10ml of rubbing alcohol for proper stabilization of the sample in preparation for testing. Sources Update of Feline Gastrointestinal Neoplasia, S. L. Marks, BVSc., PhD, Diplomate ACVIM (Internal Medicine, Oncology), Diplomate ACVN, lecture notes, North American Veterinary Conference Postgraduate Institute 2005 Advances in Feline Medicine, Orlando FL. Personal notes, P. J. Yankauskas, VMD, Hyde Park VT Personal consultation, P. J. Yankauskas, VMD, Hyde Park VT Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.htmlAdopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/127 - Release Date: 10/10/2005
Re: wormers--- coccidia
In a message dated 10/7/05 2:40:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have switched from albon to baycox for coccidia. treat once repeat in 5 days much better. firmer stools in 24 hours. I get a lot of coccidia from the pounds True, it all depends on PROPER DOSAGE, but a vet can figure that out for treating cats And let's not forget IVOMEC ~ How many of use that drug on our cats dogs? (For WORMING, EAR MITES, etc) AND, initially Ivomec was ALSO developed for use in swines! I feel, ifthis newdrug sounds promising, all options discussed with a vet and dosage "modified:, that it definitely is an option worth looking into... Coccidia has become so resistant to the normal course of treatments available, taking it's toll on the poor animal that is suffering w/ NO relief! Personally, I feel treating for WEEKS, with repeated fecals, vet visits, etc. is frustrating, not to mention costly. It also adds "undo" stress on the cat who is already in a debilitated condition. MANY veterinary drugs have their "initial" testing done on bovine larger species, prob cause they are easier "test subjects" and are readily in demand... After fighting w/ coccidia TOO many times w/ rescues, I, for one would be interested in learning more about Baycox. Patti
Re: wormers--- coccidia
In a message dated 10/7/05 2:52:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Baycox was developed for pigeons...but I really appreciate the warning. Rescue is s hard when they are on 10 day albon and sometimes by time I get them (from the pound)they have had it so long its past dangerous Sorry Karen, NOT reading my mail "in order rec'd". Pigeons, huh? That;s interesting. And, I TOTALLY agree w/ you about Albon...repeated treatments, and often no progress. Then, when you "rescue" the poor cat, it has suffered so much from the coccidia, which wasn't evn "touched" with the Albon treatment!!! WE had an incident at our shelter where we were treating an entire area w/ Albon, for supposedly coccidia. An internist was called in, and amazingly, the parasite was "spirochetes" (ever heard of those?) Anyway, treatment was switched to "Erythromycin* ~ *NOTE: For cats it MUST be specially formulated in liquid form,(PILLS WILL NOT work due to their "coating, can NOT be used in compounding, or we could have compounded elixir ourselves!!!),treatment dosage depends on wt., and has to be repeated TID . I found this course a "bit" extreme, merely having personnel on hand (MUST be administered EVERY 8 HOURS!!, and NOT all pharmacies are able to compound this ~~~) I came away from this "study" w/ very mixed feelings, NOT all cats benefitted and personally, I think there HAS to be a BETTER way for treating the numerous VARITEIES of parasites encountered in catteries, shelters, etc. BIG PHARMA not only has it's TOTAL CONTROL/MONOPOLY over human drugs, they are also running rampant with veterinary drugs... HOW MANY LIFES DO THEY "JEOPARDIZE" BECAUSE OF THE POWER THEY HOLD OVER ALL OF US, ANIMALS INCLUDED??? Something needs to be done, SOON, but I'll leave this subject open for debate on a diff. thread! Patti
Re: wormers--- coccidia
Karen, Thanks so much. Will look for your post, RE: BAYCOX. Patti
wormers
Does anyone have any experience or info on a wormer called Wormguard Plus Broad Spectrum for Cats? Here is the websitehttp://www.theholistichorse.com/index.php?page=detailsid=327it is holisticand it also looks pretty inexpensive. Supposed to kill just about all the worms including coccidia. Gary
Fwd: wormers
hee hee--i've removed the identifying info to protect the innocent, but here's the response i got i know that at some of you on this list know from whom this came RESPONSE: Snake oil. C - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Fwd: wormers know anything about this stuff/this place?-- Forwarded message --From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 7, 2005 1:24 PMSubject: wormersTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Does anyone have any experience or info on a wormer called Wormguard Plus Broad Spectrum for Cats? Here is the websitehttp://www.theholistichorse.com/index.php?page=detailsid=327 it is holisticand it also looks pretty inexpensive. Supposed to kill just about all the worms including coccidia. Gary -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
RE: wormers
Is this legitimate stuff does it work? Has anyone use it? Does it work for Giardia? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:41 PM To: FeLVTalk Subject: Fwd: wormers hee hee--i've removed the identifying info to protect the innocent, but here's the response i got i know that at some of you on this list know from whom this came RESPONSE: Snake oil. C - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Fwd: wormers know anything about this stuff/this place? -- Forwarded message -- From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 7, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: wormers To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Does anyone have any experience or info on a wormer called Wormguard Plus Broad Spectrum for Cats? Here is the websitehttp://www.theholistichorse.com/index.php?page=detailsid=327 it is holisticand it also looks pretty inexpensive. Supposed to kill just about all the worms including coccidia. Gary -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: wormers
the best think for Giardia is panacurnothing else has ever worked for me panacur can be VERY dangerous unless the cat is in the best of health. Karen
Re: wormers
Oh man, that's scary! Hideyo, I would write to Darla right away. If there is something else that you can do to get him in better health besides the drugs, I would give it a try first. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the best think for Giardia is panacurnothing else has ever worked for me panacur can be VERY dangerous unless the cat is in the best of health. Karen
Re: wormers
Well, that's unfortunate as it seemed a good thing. It does say it's guaranteed, wonder if it would be harmful to test it? She has an ebay store and no negative feedback, on the other hand, most ebay feedback is given very shortly after recieving the product, not usually after having tried the product. Just can't get a break. Gary - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats To: FeLVTalk Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: Fwd: wormers hee hee--i've removed the identifying info to protect the innocent, but here's the response i got i know that at some of you on this list know from whom this cameRESPONSE: Snake oil. C - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Fwd: wormers know anything about this stuff/this place?-- Forwarded message --From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 7, 2005 1:24 PMSubject: wormersTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Does anyone have any experience or info on a wormer called Wormguard Plus Broad Spectrum for Cats? Here is the websitehttp://www.theholistichorse.com/index.php?page=detailsid=327 it is holisticand it also looks pretty inexpensive. Supposed to kill just about all the worms including coccidia. Gary -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
Re: wormers
the thing is, you'd have to have various tests run to find OUT if it worked, especially when dealing with coccidia and giardia, which are notorious for hiding in stool samples i'd check out someplace like www.holisticat.com and see if they have any suggestions. oh, gloria? got any ideas? On 10/7/05, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that's unfortunate as it seemed a good thing. It does say it's guaranteed, wonder if it would be harmful to test it? She has an ebay store and no negative feedback, on the other hand, most ebay feedback is given very shortly after recieving the product, not usually after having tried the product. Just can't get a break. Gary - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats To: FeLVTalk Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: Fwd: wormers hee hee--i've removed the identifying info to protect the innocent, but here's the response i got i know that at some of you on this list know from whom this cameRESPONSE: Snake oil. C - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: Fwd: wormers know anything about this stuff/this place?-- Forwarded message --From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 7, 2005 1:24 PMSubject: wormersTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Does anyone have any experience or info on a wormer called Wormguard Plus Broad Spectrum for Cats? Here is the websitehttp://www.theholistichorse.com/index.php?page=detailsid=327 it is holisticand it also looks pretty inexpensive. Supposed to kill just about all the worms including coccidia. Gary -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
