Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?
On 7/2/06, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it is so stable and you have it on 5 machines then why are you wanting to install it again? I don't. I just don't want messages about things being installed for which there is no atom, or whatever the message is. (And it's not that stable - it's that no one watches TV anymore. If Myth quits then the WAF==0.0 and I'm in deep stuff!) Actually 0.19 has quite a lot of improvements. Yes, and I hope to get it all upgraded when my family goes away for a couple of weeks in July. Until then I just don't like being pushed around! ;-) More importantly (to me) is that when looking at a distro like this what are the issues with leaving an older revision in portage? I don't see what the maintainance issues are. It's been a working ebuild for a long time. Why remove it. Just leave it there. I suppose files could move and then the ebuild would need an update but other than that how much work is being saved for one person vs. a decision by that one person to force lots of people to upgrade? (All rhetorical) - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?
On Monday 03 July 2006 15:05, Mark Knecht wrote: More importantly (to me) is that when looking at a distro like this what are the issues with leaving an older revision in portage? I don't see what the maintainance issues are. It's been a working ebuild for a long time. If you think so then I suggest you go to bugs.gentoo.org and search for mythtv bugs. As long as it is in portage marked as stable maintaining it means they should try to solve those bugs. -- Bo Andresen pgp0V7BXQVHmb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?
On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:05:30 -0700 Mark Knecht wrote: On 7/2/06, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it is so stable and you have it on 5 machines then why are you wanting to install it again? I don't. I just don't want messages about things being installed for which there is no atom, or whatever the message is. Then follow the advice given and add it to an overlay More importantly (to me) is that when looking at a distro like this what are the issues with leaving an older revision in portage? I don't see what the maintainance issues are. It's been a working ebuild for a long time. Why remove it. Just leave it there. How far back should it go? Should we leave beta versions of firefox in portage? How about kde 1? How bloody big do you want the portage tree to be? How about when some dependency is no longer compatible with myth 0.18 ? I suppose files could move and then the ebuild would need an update Volunteering are you? but other than that how much work is being saved for one person vs. a decision by that one person to force lots of people to upgrade? (All rhetorical) - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?
On 09:34 Tue 04 Jul , Nick Rout wrote: On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 06:05:30 -0700 Mark Knecht wrote: More importantly (to me) is that when looking at a distro like this what are the issues with leaving an older revision in portage? I don't see what the maintainance issues are. It's been a working ebuild for a long time. Why remove it. Just leave it there. How far back should it go? Should we leave beta versions of firefox in portage? How about kde 1? How bloody big do you want the portage tree to be? How about when some dependency is no longer compatible with myth 0.18 ? More importantly, there was a security issue with the version that was removed. -- Join The no2id Coalition, http://www.no2id.net/ djm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?
Hello, I have mythtv-0.18.1-r1 installed. Now it appears that it's not even an option anymore? What happened to Myth? I do not want to update to 0.19 as it means work on 5 machines that I don't want to undertake. Thanks, Mark lightning portage # emerge -pv --deep --update --newuse world These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating world dependencies | !!! Packages for the following atoms are either all !!! masked or don't exist: media-tv/mythtv ... done! DELETED REST lightning portage # eix mythtv * media-tv/mythtv Available versions: [M]0.19_p9163-r1 [M]0.19_p10281 Installed: 0.18.1-r1 Homepage:http://www.mythtv.org/ Description: Homebrew PVR project -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?
On Sunday 02 July 2006 18:14, Mark Knecht wrote: I have mythtv-0.18.1-r1 installed. Now it appears that it's not even an option anymore? What happened to Myth? I do not want to update to 0.19 as it means work on 5 machines that I don't want to undertake. You can grab the ebuild and it's patches from cvs [1] and place them in an overlay. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/media-tv/mythtv/ -- Bo Andresen pgpuz7fnzCg41.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?
On 7/2/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 02 July 2006 18:14, Mark Knecht wrote: I have mythtv-0.18.1-r1 installed. Now it appears that it's not even an option anymore? What happened to Myth? I do not want to update to 0.19 as it means work on 5 machines that I don't want to undertake. You can grab the ebuild and it's patches from cvs [1] and place them in an overlay. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/media-tv/mythtv/ -- Bo Andresen Bo, Thanks for the pointer. I suppose I'll have to do this. Bummer Why was 0.18 removed from portage? Has there been a thread on that subject I missed as I'm not reading this list very carefully right now. 0.18 was in portage for over a year I think. Why not mark it stable or leave it in the group of masked ebuilds and let us make a choice? I thought Gentoo was about choice. Who ever is maintaining this has taken choice away from me and replaced it with more work. Bummer. Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?
On 7/2/06, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/2/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 02 July 2006 18:14, Mark Knecht wrote: I have mythtv-0.18.1-r1 installed. Now it appears that it's not even an option anymore? What happened to Myth? I do not want to update to 0.19 as it means work on 5 machines that I don't want to undertake. You can grab the ebuild and it's patches from cvs [1] and place them in an overlay. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/media-tv/mythtv/ -- Bo Andresen Bo, Thanks for the pointer. I suppose I'll have to do this. Bummer Why was 0.18 removed from portage? Has there been a thread on that subject I missed as I'm not reading this list very carefully right now. 0.18 was in portage for over a year I think. Why not mark it stable or leave it in the group of masked ebuilds and let us make a choice? I thought Gentoo was about choice. Who ever is maintaining this has taken choice away from me and replaced it with more work. Bummer. Cheers, Mark It is disappointing to find out that MYthTV-0.18-x was removed for reasons that some folks feel were possibly invalid. Apparently (IF I UNDERSTAND THIS - I probably don't...) there was a security bug found in ffmpeg and (I don't know why) a decision was taken to remove revisions of applications that used ffmpeg. However on my machine attempting emerge -pve mythtv-0.18-X doesn't indicate that it would have emerged ffmpeg, so what is the problem? Why remove this version? Maybe someone here knows the history? I couldn't get it from the bugs I looked at. If MythTV doesn't use ffmpeg then is the issue that they copied some bad code instead of linking in the bad library? Again, it seems to make little sense to me. - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?
On Sunday 02 July 2006 22:30, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, it seems to make little sense to me. You don't want to upgrade because mythtv is a pain in the butt to upgrade. Now imagine what it's like to maintain it... ;) I don't know more than you do about this but I could imagine they wanted to lower the number of ebuilds that they have to maintain... -- Bo Andresen pgpRpIq1E4xVL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Stable MythTV removed from portage?
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:51:24 -0700 Mark Knecht wrote: On 7/2/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 02 July 2006 22:30, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, it seems to make little sense to me. You don't want to upgrade because mythtv is a pain in the butt to upgrade. Now imagine what it's like to maintain it... ;) I don't know more than you do about this but I could imagine they wanted to lower the number of ebuilds that they have to maintain... -- Bo Andresen Yeah, I understand, and you are probably right. But mythtv-0.18.1 hasn't been changing. I don't do software so I don't understand the word 'maintain'. I'm sure it's a drag and this is easier on them. I just wish the devs would have a bit more compassion for those of use out here wiht families we're trying to keep happy with these toys! ;-) Anyway, I just brought down the 0.18 ebuild and built a digest but it's complaining about missing patches so I'll see if I can't figure that out. If this is painful enough I guess they'll force me to upgrade anyway, won't they? ;-) Cheers, Mark If it is so stable and you have it on 5 machines then why are you wanting to install it again? Actually 0.19 has quite a lot of improvements. -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
