Re: [Mailman-Users] Installing mailman in DMZ

[Mark Sapiro]

David Pradier wrote:

before installing in production mailman, I'd like to check with you 
something. I would like to know if it is possible to install mailman on 
another machine than its webserver without using nfs ?
What I understand is the cgi scripts and the mailman demon both need to 
access the same files, am I wrong ?


You are correct.


If I'm right, allow me another question :
Is the only way to have a webserver in dmz and mailman not in dmz, 
without using nfs, to use the webserver in dmz as a proxy and install 
another webserver on the mailman machine ?


The following searches may help

http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=dmzl=mailman-users%40python.org

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amail.python.org+inurl%3Amailman+dmz

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[Mailman-Users] mailman installation with DMZ

[Nick Airey]

Hi Everyone, 

I would like some advice on the best way to set up a mailman installation in 
the presence of a DMZ, ie. I have a webserver in the DMZ which is accessible to 
the public. The MTA, however, is in the safe zone.

The public needs access to the mailman web interface, implying that this should 
be run from the webserver in the DMZ. However the MTA in the safe zone needs to 
make a pipe connection to mailman, which (I assume) in turn needs access to the 
disk partition where the mailman files are stored. Hence mailman needs to be 
co-located with the MTA.

As a quick fix:

(a) I setup mailman and its web interface completely in the safe zone, and set 
the webserver in the DMZ to proxy URI /mailman/*, to the internal webserver. 
This works, but I'm not sure if this is the ideal solution. I'm also not crazy 
about parts of an internal webserver being accessible to the internet.

Other possibilities I considered were:

(b) split the mailman installation, run the web part in the DMZ, accessing an 
NFS mounted disk on an internal machine. The MTA part of mailman running in the 
safe zone, can then access the same disk and process mail as normal. Worst case 
scenario, if the disk mount becomes unmounted (or otherwise unwritable), the 
web interface is unusable. However the MTA part (sending, receiving mails) 
still keeps working.

(c) run mailman completely in the DMZ, and run a MTA on the DMZ, which can 
relay to the MTA in the safe zone for delivery. I don't really like this for a 
few reasons involving mail security and policy of running minimalist machines 
in the DMZ.


Any thoughts would be much appreciated. I'm leaning towards switching to option 
(b), but I'm not sure exactly how to split the installation.

I would also be willing to document this as a best practice for the mailman 
documentation.  (I'm sure this question must come up all the time for fresh 
installations)


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[Mailman-Users] Installing mailman in DMZ

[David Pradier]

Hi guys,

before installing in production mailman, I'd like to check with you 
something. I would like to know if it is possible to install mailman on 
another machine than its webserver without using nfs ?
What I understand is the cgi scripts and the mailman demon both need to 
access the same files, am I wrong ?


If I'm right, allow me another question :
Is the only way to have a webserver in dmz and mailman not in dmz, 
without using nfs, to use the webserver in dmz as a proxy and install 
another webserver on the mailman machine ?


Thanks a lot for your input,
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[Mailman-Users] Adjusting From: Field

[Jason Maderios]

All,


Anyone know where I can adjust the From: field on a mailing list.  Right
now it says [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I need to point it to another
mail machine outside our DMZ that will then send it where it needs to
go.


TIA,


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing lists fail

[Patrick Bogen]

On 5/24/07, Aaron Schubert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We are currently are running mailman on a Redhat box called listserv.  This 
 box sits in
 the DMZ.  We also have our mail servers which are sitting inside the DMZ 
 which pass
 traffic to our sendmail relay box to get to listserv. Our mail is current 
 mail setup looks
 like this:
This may or may not have any bearing on the problem, but:
What version of mailman are you running?

(snip)

 I have replaced the hostnames and ip addresses with xx for security reasons.  
 The mail
 successfully makes it from the user through the relay and then to the 
 listserv.  But when it
 comes bash through,  it get the errors.
Did your configuration ever work? If so, has anything changed?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installing mailman in DMZ

[David Pradier]

Thanks Mark,
it was helpful.

For the record, i didn't find any way to have mailman on a different 
machine than the webserver without NFS or a webproxy.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman installation with DMZ

[Brad Knowles]

On 6/23/07, Nick Airey wrote:

  Any thoughts would be much appreciated. I'm leaning towards switching
  to option (b), but I'm not sure exactly how to split the installation.

The reality is that there is no one single Best Practice for this 
situation.  What is Best Practice for your site might be considered 
totally unacceptable somewhere else.


For example, the Mailman code is written in such a way as to be as 
robust as it can be in the face of whatever potential additional 
problems that using NFS might present.  So, in theory, putting all of 
Mailman on NFS should just work.

But I know plenty of people who would run screaming in terror at the 
thought of running NFS in their DMZ.  If that works for you, then you 
should be okay.  But other sites might feel differently.


My personal suggestion would be to have a minimal MTA+Mailman+web 
server on the machine in the DMZ, and tightly control the inputs and 
outputs from the machine in both directions, perhaps with a front-end 
web proxy that is appropriately secured, application-level gateway 
filter for the incoming and outgoing mail, etc

But just because that's my personal preference doesn't necessarily 
make that a Best Practice that should be implemented everywhere -- 
other sites might prefer the NFS solution, or maybe something else.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailing lists fail

[Aaron Schubert]

We are currently are running mailman on a Redhat box called listserv.  This box 
sits in the DMZ.  We also have our mail servers which are sitting inside the 
DMZ which pass traffic to our sendmail relay box to get to listserv. Our mail 
is current mail setup looks like this:

Groupwise    Sendmail Relay -- Listserv
(Client mails to list)(Relays mail to DMZ)   (Accepts list and mails 
out)

Once listserv gets the mail it then delivers to the recipients.  It's route is 
like this:

Listserv  ---Sendmail RelayRecipients (Can be internal or 
external)

On the Sendmail Relay I see mail successfully going from Groupwise to Relay to 
Listserv.  They are all accepted and reach the correct place.  But when 
Listserv sends the mail back out to the recipients I see the following errors 
on the Relay server from the maillog:

Listserv maillog:

stat=Deferred: Connection timed out with sendmailrelay.x.

Sendmail Relay maillog:

May 23 14:07:31 hostname sendmail[19397]: l4NJ1qpd019397: listserv.. 
[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA

May 23 14:14:32 hostname sendmail[19439]: l4NJEUUY019439: lost input channel 
from .. [xxx.xxx.xx.xxx] to MTA after mail

I have replaced the hostnames and ip addresses with xx for security reasons.  
The mail successfully makes it from the user through the relay and then to the 
listserv.  But when it comes bash through,  it get the errors.

I can telnet to the sendmail relay on port 25 from listserv just fine,  I can 
send and external mail to my earthlink account from listserv just fine using 
the command line mail -s Test [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I can see my mail 
successfully go through the listserv and the mail relay, then out.  But when it 
tries to send outbound to a list is when it doesn't go through and I see the 
message.

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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[Mailman-Users] problems

[camelia]

Hello


My name is Camelia Botez and I'm system admin in Weizmann Institute.
A couple of weeks ago I installed mailman  on our webserver ( we intend
to use the same server for web and mail).
Our webserver is outside the firewall  (on dmz) and when I try to send
e-mail to one of the lists
I don't get back any error message ( in fact the messages I get suggest
that the mail was sent
successfuly) but noone from the list get sany e-mail.
I tried  the same thing from inside firewall and works.
It is possible that the wrapper program works on a specific port or
doesn't know how to pass the firewall ?


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[Mailman-Users] Danish language at Mailman?

[soren]

I've installed Mailman a fourth night ago at a Debian box with
Postfix in our small Internet Community (Intranet) with 500 users.
It will (I hope) later be moved to the DMZ for public Internet access.

I looked around in the archives for a Danish language add to
Mailman but did not find the definite solution.

Is there a Danish Language add on coming up, or is the
Mailman project in need of a Danish translation?

Can you easily add a new language in the setup?

Regards
Soren @ka-net.dk


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[Mailman-Users] Danish language at mailman?

[Soren Bondrup]

I've installed Mailman a fourth night ago at a Debian box with
Postfix in our small Internet Community (Intranet) with 500 users.
It will (I hope) later be moved to the DMZ for public Internet 
access.

I looked around in the archives for a Danish language add to
Mailman but did not find the definite solution.

Is there a Danish Language add on coming up, or is the
Mailman project in need of a Danish translation?

Can you easily add a new language in the setup?

Regards
Soren


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[Mailman-Users] To Domain Is Wrong

[PNIXON]

Hello,
 I've setup a list server inside my dmz, and I want all the emails to
appears to be coming from lists.somerville.ma.us, but they keep showing up
in the To and From Headers as from rosie.somerville.ma.us

rosie.somerville.ma.us is the actual hostname for the box.

Any suggestions or things I should check?

Thanks for all your help!

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[Mailman-Users] cannot subscribe from outside using web interface

[Camelia Botez]

Our mailman server is on DMZ and a couple of month ago was changed to work 
https.
>From inside LAN we can access mailman.domain/mailman/listinfo/test and 
>subscribe using browser interface.
>From outside LAN we get :
The site cannot be reachedmailman.org refused to connect.

Any idea ?


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[Mailman-Users] wrapper from mailman

[Botez Camelia]

Hello 

My name is Camelia Botez and I'm system admin in Weizmann Institute.
I installed mailman on our web server that runs also like mail server.
Everything looks nice but when I send mail to one of the lists 
,I don't get any error message , but the mail doesn't go to the users
from the list.
I'd like to understand more about how wrapper works , what additional \
settings I can use to configure the wrapper and if the fact that mailman server 
is on dmz (outside firewall ) and users get their mails on inside firewall 
server can affect the functions of mailman.


Please answer me ( it is not the first time I send an e-mail about this 
poblem).

Thank you


Camelia

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[Mailman-Users] admin functions not globally accessible

[Rob Shugg]

I thought i had finally got mailman working on my work network only to find 
when i tried to access the admin funtions from home I got a connection 
refused.
I can access the main admin page and click on one of my lists so that the 
password entry screen comes up but then the browser times out or sometimes i 
get a connection refused.
Also the list info page comes up but will not process any requests.

Everything works when i connect to the site from from the internal network to 
the webserver in the dmz, it jus doesnt seem to want any connections form the 
outside world.
any ideas?

rob
PS debian woody on the server.

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[Mailman-Users] relaying and public lists

[Peter Kaszas]

Hi!

I have a frontend mailserver with postfix, it is configured to relay all
mails which have destination:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] to my mailman
server. This mailman server is in DMZ, it have LOCAL IP, and it is
configured with postfix. In my postfix transport.db file I added the link to
relay all @list.algotech.hu to mailman:

My mailman-postfix host get mails from the frontend server. Everything is
cool. But, when I wanted to setup some lists to accept mails from everybody
(public list) (that means I accept mails also from non-listmembers without
any moderation), that means I setup in Privacy Options ... - Sender Filter
- General Non Memeber rule : ACCEPT

But it doesnt do that. Still If I send a mail from a non subscribed account,
It holds up, and waits for moderation How could it be posibble? Did I
something make wrong?

Thx. Peter
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[Mailman-Users] lacking notifications when mails are held for moderation

[Christina Endemann]

Hi all,

I am new here, and I have just taken over the moderation of two mailing lists 
and have a, let's say, very basic knowledge of mailman.

My problem is, I do not receive notifications when a subscriber sends a message 
that is held for moderation (e.g. due to the size of the message, number of 
recipients). Do I need to switch that on somewhere? I have not found a place to 
do that yet.


Thanks for any help,

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[Mailman-Users] can I use text box for real names for a different purpose

[Christina Endemann]

Dear all, 

The users of our mailing list don't use their personal accounts for the mailing 
list, and don't work with commands, like requesting the list of members. 
In that case, can I use the text field in the membership list which is provided 
for real names for a different purpose? 

The reason  is that only certain groups are entitled to use our mailing lists. 
I would like to use that text field to specify to which group that person 
belongs, e.g. the company name. 

Thanks in advance, 

Christina


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Re: [Mailman-Users] cannot subscribe from outside using web interface

[Matthias Schmidt via Mailman-Users]

> Am 27.10.2016 um 20:23 schrieb Camelia Botez <camelia.bo...@weizmann.ac.il>:
> 
> Our mailman server is on DMZ and a couple of month ago was changed to work 
> https.
> From inside LAN we can access mailman.domain/mailman/listinfo/test and 
> subscribe using browser interface.
> From outside LAN we get :
> The site cannot be reachedmailman.org refused to connect.
> 
> Any idea ?
> 

dns
firewall
else check the logs ;-)
Matthias


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[Mailman-Users] disappearing subscriber

[Christina Endemann]

Dear all,

one of our subscribers was "somehow" taken off the mailing list.


a)  He was certainly on the list until a while ago (by chance I had a list 
of subscriptions from two/three weeks ago)

b)  I did not unsubscribe him (to my knowledge), and also I don't have an 
unsubscribe message

c)   After subscribing that person again, he appeared in the members list 
again, but the strange thing is that his name field is filled in, which I 
certainly did not fill this time.

So it looks a bit as if that person had been deactivated / reactivated.
Can someone shed some light on this?  We have to ensure that people reliably 
get the messages.

Thanks!

Christina



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was in fact only the non-existing e-mail address.
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Adjusting From: Field

[Jason Maderios]

Again--

Anyone know how to adjust the from field for the mailing list.  I need
to change it from saying [EMAIL PROTECTED] To
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 


TIA,

Jason Maderios



On Monday, June 4, 2001, at 07:04 PM, Jason Maderios wrote:

 Anyone know where I can adjust the From: field on a mailing list.
Right
 now it says [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I need to point it to another
 mail machine outside our DMZ that will then send it where it needs to
 go.


Why do it that way? Instead, use an MX record to send it ot that 
machine, and have that machine forward it in.

Normally this would work.  But for buisness practaces I want/need to
change that field to anything I wan't it to be.

if the list server is inside the firewall, how is the web interface 
getting out? another proxy?

Web interface can only be accessed by VPN and LAN.





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You know, I Remember When I Used To Speak In Capitals, Too. It's 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems

[Jon Carnes]

If it works when you are inside the firewall, but does not work when you 
send from outside, you probably have a routing problem with your MTA's.

In other words it is probably not a mailman problem.  Try sending to a 
local address on the same server and see if the mail gets there from the 
outside.

Good luck.

On Thursday 06 June 2002 06:24 am, camelia wrote:
 Hello


 My name is Camelia Botez and I'm system admin in Weizmann Institute.
 A couple of weeks ago I installed mailman  on our webserver ( we intend
 to use the same server for web and mail).
 Our webserver is outside the firewall  (on dmz) and when I try to send
 e-mail to one of the lists
 I don't get back any error message ( in fact the messages I get suggest
 that the mail was sent
 successfuly) but noone from the list get sany e-mail.
 I tried  the same thing from inside firewall and works.
 It is possible that the wrapper program works on a specific port or
 doesn't know how to pass the firewall ?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman installation across two servers

[Chuq Von Rospach]

On Feb 17, 2005, at 2:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
I like to keep my setup simple here.  Web servers run apache.  Mail
servers run sendmail.  The two are never mixed.
What we did when we had to do this was simply set up the web machine as 
a proxy. you still run mailman via apache on your main box, but nobody 
talks to it, all the web traffic proxies through the apache on the 
other box. Works fine, takes about 10 lines in the http.conf, and 
allows you to put the mailman machine safely behind a firewall and the 
web stuff into a DMZ zone.

If you absolutely, positively don't want to run apache on the mailman 
machine at all, you're asking for grief. But running it behind a set of 
ACLs that lock it down so only the proxy machine can talk to it works, 
is a lot simpler, and still secure.

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[Mailman-Users] Changing site domain name

[Chris Puttick]

Hi

Now I know this will sound like a didn't read the archives and/or
didn't read the FAQ but I did and no solution suggested for similar
problems worked. In particular

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.029.htp

does not fix the problem:

Mailman has been installed on a dedicated clean built box. All lists
correctly refer to the actual FQDN of the server in both web and mail
addresses and the list server is functional in most respects. However
the root/master/? (a better name escapes me but default iseems
inappropriate, given it is a correctly configured variable) domain of
the installation is stubbornly remaining as the IP address of the
machine. I wouldn't mind so much, except the machine is in a DMZ and
has a non-routeable IP...

All suggestions (other than the entries in the FAQ I've already read
and tried ;-) ) welcome.

Cheers

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing site domain name

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:05 PM +0100 10/6/06, Chris Puttick wrote:

However
  the root/master/? (a better name escapes me but default iseems
  inappropriate, given it is a correctly configured variable) domain of
  the installation is stubbornly remaining as the IP address of the
  machine.

Where are you seeing this issue?  Is it in the URLs that the users 
visit when they go to the web pages for the list?  Is it in the 
e-mail addresses that the users see when the messages are delivered?

   I wouldn't mind so much, except the machine is in a DMZ and
  has a non-routeable IP...

If it's a non-routeable IP address, I don't see how anyone is getting 
to the web pages or getting e-mail to/from the box.  But either way, 
I would not be at all surprised if this was the problem.  Well, this 
and reverse DNS obviously being broken.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] external web interface

[BRAVAL François]

Hi again

I will use the first solution for the moment as I want 2 web servers: an 
internal one and one in our dmz for testing purpose.
The VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off setting works great and I got no longer a 'bug' 
error on list creation.
I keep the second way in mind for future usage
Continue testing...

Thx mark
 

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Envoyé : mercredi 18 octobre 2006 19:40
 À : BRAVAL François; mailman-users@python.org
 Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] external web interface
 
 Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
 BRAVAL François wrote:
  
 -add to mm_cfg.py : 
   DEFAULT_URL_HOST ='machine2.mydomain.com'
   add_virtualhost('machine2.mydomain.com','machine1.mydomain.com')
 
 
 This has to do with the problem - see below.
 
 snip
 
 Setting DEFAULT_URL_HOST and add_virtual_host in mm_cfg.py 
 won't affect
 this. What you need in mm_cfg.py is
 
 VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off
 
 so all lists will appear on all domain's overview pages.
 
 
 Actually, if you want to access the web interface only from machine2,
 the above DEFAULT_URL_HOST and add_virtual_host settings are what you
 want, and you don't need VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off, but you also
 need to run fix_url to update the existing lists' web_page_url as
 explained in
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.
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[Mailman-Users] cannot subscribe from outside using web interface

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Camelia Botez writes:

 > Our mailman server is on DMZ and a couple of month ago was changed
 > to work https.
 > From inside LAN we can access mailman.domain/mailman/listinfo/test
 > and subscribe using browser interface.
 > From outside LAN we get :
 > The site cannot be reachedmailman.org refused to connect.
 > 
 > Any idea ?

If you're able to access via HTTPS from inside, but can't even connect
from outside, it's probably a firewall issue, and not something we can
help with.

1.  Are there any other HTTPS resources on that server that you can test?
If you can access other resources but not to Mailman, perhaps your
frontend webserver (Apache?) is not configured the same for HTTPS
as it was for HTTP.
2.  Use tcptraceroute from outside to port 443 on the Mailman host to
find out where the connection is broken.  The " refused to
connect" is often misleading -- in many cases the attempted
connection never reaches , but the error message says
"refused".
3.  Double-check your firewall configuration, and also the network
filter configuration of the Mailman host.

HTH

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Re: [Mailman-Users] disappearing subscriber - sorry, solved!

[Christina Endemann]

Sorry, Looking into this again, I found that they changed their e-mail 
addresses  from .net org to .com. I did not notice that before.
As simple as that.

Sorry for bothering you.
Cheers, Christina


From: Christina Endemann
Sent: Mittwoch, 8. März 2017 10:59
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: disappearing subscriber


Dear all,

one of our subscribers was "somehow" taken off the mailing list.


a)  He was certainly on the list until a while ago (by chance I had a list 
of subscriptions from two/three weeks ago)

b)  I did not unsubscribe him (to my knowledge), and also I don't have an 
unsubscribe message

c)   After subscribing that person again, he appeared in the members list 
again, but the strange thing is that his name field is filled in, which I 
certainly did not fill this time.

So it looks a bit as if that person had been deactivated / reactivated.
Can someone shed some light on this?  We have to ensure that people reliably 
get the messages.

Thanks!

Christina



And, btw, the moderator notification issue is solved thanks to your help. It 
was in fact only the non-existing e-mail address.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] TrendMicro Interscan Virus Wall for Linux

[Gary Algier]

We're using Trend Micro Viruswall just fine.  What I did was to
have Viruswall get the email first and pass it to the real sendmail
that is running on port 2525.  This way, Viruswall does nothing
but scan the emails.  Sendmail does all the email work.  Mailman
works just fine.

BTW: I have yet another system (in our DMZ) that actually receives
the emails from outside (MX points to the external system).  I
do this because Viruswall does not have all the proper anti-relay
preventions, etc. that I wanted.  This email relay system just
does the anti-relay checks then forwards everything to an
internal system with Viruswall and the real sendmail.

Vania Lolham wrote:

 Hello,
 
 OS RH7.1
 Mailman 2.0.6-1u70_1cl.i386.rpm
 
 After fiddling with everything in Mailman and reading every
 python scripts and checking for typo and so on,
 I found no problem at all with the mailman, In fact the
 python source files are written so cool and informative.
 Now to the problem;
 All the subscription from internal network for internal
 users were accepted
 All the subscription from outside network for outside users
 were rejected.
 Sendmail Mail log was telling me error 554 mail relay
 rejected.
 All that is cool I can live with it,
 After getting deep involved in the way wrapper, post and
 mailcmd are treating the package I was convinced that there
 isn't any problem with any of them.
 Last think I could think of was to disable the Interscan
 VirusWall from (Trend Micro).
 This time everything worked well.
 No is there anyone out there using Interscan?
 I called tech Trend Micro support and so far there is no
 work around.
 Do you know of any?
 As far as I can comprehend; when Interscan is active, it
 disable the domaintable, access.db, trusted-users.db,
 IP_allow and mailertable.db
 and instead uses it's own intscan.ini file to recognise
 domains, mailertable, trusted-users and ip_allow.
 I don't see anywhere talking about access.
 In the access file there are hosts that are allowed to
 RELAY.
 
 okay, end of my gasbagging :))
 
 Please let me know if there is other approach.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Vania
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[Mailman-Users] Open Port Question

[Staven Bruce]

I just did a scan on my list server and I noticed that in addition to port
25 and 80, port 111, 443, 515, 6000 and 32768 were open. Now from what I
understand, the breakdown is as follows:

111 - SUN RPC

443 - TLS/SSL

515 - Spooler

6000 - X Windows

32768 - Filenet TMS

My list server is in a DMZ behind a firewall, so only ports 80 and 25 are
open to the outside world. What I am wondering is, should/can I close a
couple of these other ports without incident? Is there a security concern
here?

Thanks,

Staven
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Sent:   Monday, September 15, 2003 10:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:[Mailman-Users] Re: How do I Change Formatting??

Krapmeister wrote:
Can anyone tell me how to change the text formatting of my information 
page for my mailman list?

Whenever I change fonts simply by using font commands or using style 
sheets and div commands the subscribe command doesn't work..

Is it possible to change teh formatting?? If so how??

  CSS do not work on Mailman pages, although I think someone has a 
patch that will allow it.  Check the archives.  I have made limited used 
font statements without a problem, but not on the information page.  The 
tags on that page insert text and forms, and putting them within a font 
statement may crash them, I don't know.  Or maybe it will work as long as 
you nest them correctly.  But even if it does not crash the form, it may 
well not affect the text that is generated by the tags.  I suppose you 
could hack the code to change the tags, but that's getting pretty deep.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing site domain name

[Chris Puttick]

Non-routeable as in private address behinded a NATed proxying
firewall; the problem is seen if you go to any of the generic pages
e.g. lists.my.tld/mailman/listinfo, where the server instead of
referring to itself as lists.my.tld refers to itself as ip.ad.dr.ess -
if you go to a list specific page the URLs are as expected, except the
link for the overview page, which reads correctly as
lists.my.tld/mailman/listinfo but links to
ip.ad.dr.ess/mailman/listinfo.

URLs are also as expected in emails, as are email addresses. Like I
say, the list server functions properly, except for this insistence of
using the IP address in the base URLs.

Chris

On 06/10/06, Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 2:05 PM +0100 10/6/06, Chris Puttick wrote:

 However
   the root/master/? (a better name escapes me but default iseems
   inappropriate, given it is a correctly configured variable) domain of
   the installation is stubbornly remaining as the IP address of the
   machine.

 Where are you seeing this issue?  Is it in the URLs that the users
 visit when they go to the web pages for the list?  Is it in the
 e-mail addresses that the users see when the messages are delivered?

I wouldn't mind so much, except the machine is in a DMZ and
   has a non-routeable IP...

 If it's a non-routeable IP address, I don't see how anyone is getting
 to the web pages or getting e-mail to/from the box.  But either way,
 I would not be at all surprised if this was the problem.  Well, this
 and reverse DNS obviously being broken.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] can I use text box for real names for a different purpose

[Christina Endemann]

Thanks Marc, 
We don't use personalized messages but the DMARC mitigation could be an issue. 
Thanks for the info!

Regards, 

Christina 


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[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+c.endemann=fsc@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] can I use text box for real names for a different 
purpose

On 02/16/2017 02:47 AM, Christina Endemann wrote:
> 
> The users of our mailing list don't use their personal accounts for the 
> mailing list, and don't work with commands, like requesting the list of 
> members. 
> In that case, can I use the text field in the membership list which is 
> provided for real names for a different purpose? 


You can use that field for anything you want. The biggest potential downside I 
see is when DMARC mitigation is applied to a message. If the original post is

From: John Doe 

the DMARC mitigated message will be

From: John Doe via list 

However, if the original is

From: j...@example.com

without a display name, the DMARC mitigated message will be

From: xxx via list 

where xxx is the contents of that field. A similar situation occurs when a list 
is fully personalized so each post is addressed To: the recipient. In that case 
the post sent to j...@example.com will be addressed

To: xxx 

where xxx is again the contents of that field.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?

[Jon Carnes]

There are several ways to set this up.  Here are two examples that I've
done:

 - Front end the servers with an LVS cluster and run the servers in your
DMZ.  The LVS cluster acts as a firewall and connects a user to an
active internal server (one of many in its list) based on either an ip
address or a port.  If one of the internal servers stops responding then
the LVS cluster will only direct new requests to the servers that are
still responding.

 - Run redundant external servers. One server is the primary and runs
all the requests. This server is maxed out with all the hardware needed
to handle peak loads and growth for a few years. The other server is the
secondary and is setup to handle the current normal load. You run a
heartbeat program on the servers and write a script to bring up the
secondary when the heartbeat is lost from the Primary.  In this case the
Secondary runs multiple IP Addresses - running it's own set, plus it
takes over the Primaries IP Addresses on failure of the heartbeat.

You can write your own heartbeat program which is as simple as a ping,
or you can use one of the stock Linux services that automatically does
this sort of thing for you (sorry, I can't remember the name of any at
this time, but Google is your friend - a good starting point is the LVS
project).

On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 18:56, David Richards wrote:
   I have a domain with 2 master mx servers and I want to run
  mailman on  both so if 1 is down, the mailing lists still work.
  I have not setup  mailman yet, but have subscribed to quite a
  few lists using it.  
   Does anyone have a similar setup?
  
  Most folks do this via NFS.  They setup a primary mailserver then
  a secondary that only kicks in if the heartbeat of the primary is
  interrupted. The Mailman setup is stored in a home directory that
  is mounted via NFS to both servers.
 
 
 Are there any guides on setting up mailman in this fashion??  We are
 looking at doing the same here for greater availability.  
 
 Is it possible to set up so that both mailman installations can run at the
 same time??  Active-Active??  Otherwise, what is the best way to do the
 'heart beat'?
 
 Dave.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers for a List?

[David Richards]

How about ACTIVE-ACTIVE sharing the same installation via an NFS mount (or
possibly shared storage in a cluster)?

D.

 There are several ways to set this up.  Here are two examples
 that I've done:
 
  - Front end the servers with an LVS cluster and run the servers
 in your DMZ.  The LVS cluster acts as a firewall and connects a
 user to an active internal server (one of many in its list) based
 on either an ip address or a port.  If one of the internal
 servers stops responding then the LVS cluster will only direct
 new requests to the servers that are still responding.
 
  - Run redundant external servers. One server is the primary and
 runs all the requests. This server is maxed out with all the
 hardware needed to handle peak loads and growth for a few years.
 The other server is the secondary and is setup to handle the
 current normal load. You run a heartbeat program on the servers
 and write a script to bring up the secondary when the heartbeat
 is lost from the Primary.  In this case the Secondary runs
 multiple IP Addresses - running it's own set, plus it takes over
 the Primaries IP Addresses on failure of the heartbeat. 
 You can write your own heartbeat program which is as simple as a
 ping, or you can use one of the stock Linux services that
 automatically does this sort of thing for you (sorry, I can't
 remember the name of any at this time, but Google is your friend
 - a good starting point is the LVS project).
 
 On Tue, 2002-11-19 at 18:56, David Richards wrote:
    I have a domain with 2 master mx servers and I want to run
   mailman on  both so if 1 is down, the mailing lists still
 work.   I have not setup  mailman yet, but have subscribed to
 quite a   few lists using it.  
    Does anyone have a similar setup?
   
   Most folks do this via NFS.  They setup a primary mailserver
 then   a secondary that only kicks in if the heartbeat of the
 primary is   interrupted. The Mailman setup is stored in a home
 directory that   is mounted via NFS to both servers.
  
  
  Are there any guides on setting up mailman in this fashion?? 
 We are  looking at doing the same here for greater availability.
    
  Is it possible to set up so that both mailman installations can
 run at the  same time??  Active-Active??  Otherwise, what is the
 best way to do the  'heart beat'?
  
  Dave.
  
  Dave Richards
  Project Manager (Messaging)
  Information Technology Services
  Queensland University of Technology
  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] lacking notifications when mails are held for moderation

[Christina Endemann]

At least I don't have easy access to the logs, so I tested the 
listname-owner@... address first, and in fact the mails could not be delivered.
I got some "Diagnostic information for administrators" (Remote Server returned 
'550 5.1.1 RESOLVER.ADR.RecipNotFound; not found') and the advice to contact my 
helpdesk.  So, does this e-mail address not exist, and our ITs have to set up 
this e-mail address first? 

Christina



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[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+c.endemann=fsc@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark 
Sapiro
Sent: Montag, 13. Februar 2017 09:47
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] lacking notifications when mails are held for 
moderation

On 02/13/2017 12:11 AM, Christina Endemann wrote:
> 
> Is there something else I can do about this? 


If you have access to the logs on the Mailman server you should see the
following:

In Mailman's vette log there will be and entry of the form

Timestamp (pid) listname post from u...@example.com held,
message-id=<...>: reason

Note the timestamp

in Mailman's smtp log within a few seconds after the vette log timestamp there 
will be 3 messages similar to:

Timestamp (pid)  smtp to 
listname for 1 recips, completed in ...

The first of these is the held message notice to the poster assumind the lists 
respond_to_post_requests is Yes. Otherwise there will be only the next ones.

The second is like the first except the nn in mailman.nn.tt will be the 
first nn +1. This is the admin notice sent to the listname-owner address. The 
third is like the second except it is the resend from listname-owner to the 
owner and moderator addresses and the '1 recips'
will be the total number of owners and moderators.

Then look in the system mail log at the time of these timestamps to see if 
these messages were delivered.

Also, whether or not you have access to the logs, try sending an ordinary email 
to the listname-owner@... address and see what happens.
It should be delivered to you, but it might bounce which will be the problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] lacking notifications when mails are held for moderation

[Christina Endemann]

Good morning all, 

And first of all thanks for the quick answers! 

> Do you get the daily summary of messages held?
No, I don't 

> Look at the list admin General Options page in the Notifications section. Is 
> admin_immed_notify set to Yes. If not, set it. If so, the notices might be 
> filtered by you or your ISP as spam - check your spam/junk/bulk folder.

admin_immed_notify is set to Yes. Nothing in the spam box, neither in the one 
of my e-mail client nor in the organization's (is that the ISP? Sorry for being 
ignorant).

> You might also check to see that your email address is in the "list 
> administrator email addresses", in the General Options.
 Yes, it is listed. 

Is there something else I can do about this? 

Kind regards, 

Christina



-Original Message-
From: Adam Goldberg [mailto:a...@agp-llc.com] 
Sent: Freitag, 10. Februar 2017 17:20
To: Mark Sapiro ; mailman-users@python.org; Christina 
Endemann 
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] lacking notifications when mails are held for 
moderation

You might also check to see that your email address is in the "list 
administrator email addresses", in the General Options.


Adam Goldberg
AGP, LLC
+1-202-507-9900

-Original Message-
From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+adam=agp-llc@python.org] 
On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 11:13 AM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] lacking notifications when mails are held for 
moderation

On 02/10/2017 02:46 AM, Christina Endemann wrote:
> 
> My problem is, I do not receive notifications when a subscriber sends a 
> message that is held for moderation (e.g. due to the size of the message, 
> number of recipients). Do I need to switch that on somewhere? I have not 
> found a place to do that yet.


Do you get the daily summary of messages held?

Look at the list admin General Options page in the Notifications section. Is 
admin_immed_notify set to Yes. If not, set it. If so, the notices might be 
filtered by you or your ISP as spam - check your spam/junk/bulk folder.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: How get UTF-8 in web interface

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Johannes Rohr writes:

 > Indeed. The additional problem with Russian/Cyrillic is that you
 > have those various competing encodings, koi8, ISO-8859-5 and I
 > think a third one, and so recoding is always trial and error.

This is generally true.  At least with Russian and the Asian languages
you have a prayer of figuring things out automatically, but with
Latin encodings, it's pretty much impossible to distinguish the
ISO-8859-X encodings or the Windows 125X encodings.

 > The strange thing though, is that /etc/mailman/ru isn't automatically
 > re-generated after the encoding has changed.

I've pretty much given up on figuring package managers (both dpkg
family and rpm family).  If you're not a hard-core Debian developer
it's generally fastest as well as least effort to report a bug there
(for values of fastest including "not resolved a decade later" ;-).

Of course when they work (almost all of the time) they're wonderful
time-savers.  I'm not complaining, believe me!

 > but I was kind overwhelmed by it, so what I ended up with was
 > installing mailman on a virtual machine and copying the generated
 > /etc/mailman/ru from there.

Glad you found a solution!  I hope you keep a backup, I doubt dpkg
will delete it, but 

 > I wonder, if in the long run the only sustainable solution is
 > upgrading to mailman 3,

For a sufficiently long horizon, yes, that's the only sustainable
solution.  I would start planning now, because Mailman 3 is very close
to feature-complete vs. Mailman 2.  But there's no hurry to execute.
Your Mailman 2 installation should work fine for a couple more years
at least.

 > also having noticed that Debian bullseye seems to have
 > removed mailman2 altogether. But the upgrade still isn't
 > straightforward, is it?

By and large, it is.  Most upgrades do go off without a hitch.  Python
has been moving its lists for quite a while; I don't think Mark has
experienced many problems with the transition.  It is quite feasible
to run Mailman 2 and Mailman 3 at the same time on the same host at
the cost of a bit of disk space and a few CPU cycles, and so move a
few lists (or many, once that seems safe) at a time.

The remaining pain points that come up repeatedly include

1.  Mailman's development typically leads the major distros' packages
by several months.  For many users this means the packaged Mailman
3 lacks features they're used to from Mailman 2, that are now
available in the mainline (and often in a released) Mailman 3.
Occasionally there are important bugs that have been fixed that
have not gotten to the distro packages.

2.  If you use Abhilash's Docker containers (which he keeps fairly
up-to-date with the mainline), network configuration is difficult
for many users.  That's a Docker issue, not a Mailman issue, of
course, but for folks who aren't skilled with containers it can be
hard.

3.  Mailman 3 suite was designed for operation on a single dedicated
host to avoid the need to include authentication code in core (in
the early 2010s it was clear that password auth was going to die,
but what would take its place was unclear).  Folks trying to
configure multihost configurations usually put them in the DMZ,
and often have rather complicated ideas about how to configure
host names and addresses which Mailman 3 currently can't support.

4.  We have few translations.  I think we currently support English,
French, German, and recently added Italian.

5.  Older Mailman 2 installations sometimes have bogus data in their
databases (for example, illegal addresses on lists and wrong
encodings in the archives) that raise errors when importing to
Mailman 3.  These situations generally have to be resolved
manually.

We're working on 1-3, Google Translate or other services can help with
4, and 5 most likely is going to require hand-holding from us since
there's a wide variety of weirdness that's possible.  Feel free to ask
us about them (but do ask on mailman-us...@mailman3.org, not here, for
the benefit of others thinking about moving to Mailman 3).
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Re: [Mailman-Users] external web interface

[BRAVAL François]

Err.. No

In fact, it doesn't seem to work.
The URL is machine2.domain.com but the title of the page is machine1.domain.com
When I create a new list, it uses the machine1.domain.com domain 

If I remove the VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off and set the DEFAULT_URL_HOST to 
machine2.domain.com. I get a 'bug' error.

See my error log.

Oct 19 13:32:48 2006 (10276) command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 127, Unknown error 127)
Oct 19 13:32:48 2006 admin(10276):  
admin(10276): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.9 -] 
admin(10276): [- Traceback --] 
admin(10276): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 101, in run_main
admin(10276): main()
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 56, in 
main
admin(10276): process_request(doc, cgidata)
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 238, in 
process_request
admin(10276): sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 232, in 
create
admin(10276): _update_maps()
admin(10276):   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 53, in 
_update_maps
admin(10276): raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
admin(10276): RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias 
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 127, Unknown error 127)
admin(10276): [- Python Information -] 
admin(10276): sys.version =   2.4.1 (#1, May 16 2005, 15:19:29) 
[GCC 4.0.0 20050512 (Red Hat 4.0.0-5)] 
admin(10276): sys.executable  =   /usr/bin/python 
admin(10276): sys.prefix  =   /usr 
admin(10276): sys.exec_prefix =   /usr 
admin(10276): sys.path=   /usr 
admin(10276): sys.platform=   linux2 
admin(10276): [- Environment Variables -] 
admin(10276):   HTTP_COOKIE: 
test3+admin=28020069d40f364573280031373330346536393039363237623233393263616130383239646231353366643932383335656338;
 
test+admin=280200695bcb364573280066306166346133613861626464656366333133666162353636393864393733383731383335356535
 
admin(10276):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora) 
admin(10276):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/create 
admin(10276):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: addressApache/2.0.54 (Fedora) Server at 
machine2.domain.fr Port 80/address
admin(10276): 
admin(10276):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST 
admin(10276):   HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300 
admin(10276):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 
admin(10276):   QUERY_STRING:  
admin(10276):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 151 
admin(10276):   HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 
admin(10276):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; 
rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060909 Firefox/1.5.0.7 
admin(10276):   HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive 
admin(10276):   HTTP_REFERER: http://machine2.domain.fr  
admin(10276):   SERVER_NAME: machine2.domain.fr 
admin(10276):   REMOTE_ADDR: 194.xx.xxx.11 
admin(10276):   SERVER_PORT: 80 
admin(10276):   SERVER_ADDR: 194.xx.xxx.157 
admin(10276):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html 
admin(10276):   PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman 
admin(10276):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create 
admin(10276):   SERVER_ADMIN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
admin(10276):   HTTP_HOST: machine2.domain.fr 
admin(10276):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/create 
admin(10276):   HTTP_ACCEPT: 
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5
 
admin(10276):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 
admin(10276):   REMOTE_PORT: 1315 
admin(10276):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: fr,fr-fr;q=0.8,en-us;q=0.5,en;q=0.3 
admin(10276):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
admin(10276):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate 








 -Message d'origine-
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on.org] De la part de BRAVAL François
 Envoyé : jeudi 19 octobre 2006 10:20
 À : Mark Sapiro; mailman-users@python.org
 Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] external web interface
 
 Hi again
 
 I will use the first solution for the moment as I want 2 web 
 servers: an internal one and one in our dmz for testing purpose.
 The VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off setting works great and I got 
 no longer a 'bug' error on list creation.
 I keep the second way in mind for future usage
 Continue testing...
 
 Thx mark
  
 
  -Message d'origine-
  De : Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Envoyé : mercredi 18 octobre 2006 19:40
  À : BRAVAL François; mailman-users@python.org
  Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] external web interface
  
  Mark Sapiro wrote:
  
  BRAVAL François wrote:
   
  -add to mm_cfg.py : 
 ='machine2.mydomain.com'
add_virtualhost('machine2.mydomain.com','machine1.mydomain.com')
  
  
  This has to do with the problem - see below.
  
  snip
  
  Setting DEFAULT_URL_HOST and add_virtual_host in mm_cfg.py 
  won't affect
  this. What you need in mm_cfg.py is
  
  VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = Off
  
  so all lists