[Marxism] Fwd: Filmmaker Sheds Light on Valiant, Greek-Born Hero of the Ludlow Massacre
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * At a time when Greece has neither heroes nor a labor movement, two passionate Greeks, journalist, radio producer, script writer and filmmaker Lambrini Thoma and director Nick Ventouras, crossed the Atlantic in an attempt to trace the life and the untimely but heroic death of Louis Tikas, a legendary figure of the American labor movement in the early 20th century. His story is largely unknown to the general public in Greece today, or to that of the United States. Louis Tikas was an immigrant who left Greece in 1906 in search of a better life in the United States, but ended up becoming a leader of the striking coal mine workers of Colorado in 1913 and eventually one of the true heroes of the American labor movement, indeed a legend, when he was brutally and cowardly killed in the Ludlow massacre, by having his skull cracked opened while he was being held prisoner. full: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/26859-interview-with-lambrini-thoma _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: [ufpj-activist] Al Jazeera: After repelling ISIL, PKK fighters are the new heroes of Kurdistan
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * exchange on a UFPJ list -- Forwarded message -- From: Andrew Pollack acpolla...@juno.com Date: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [ufpj-activist] Al Jazeera: After repelling ISIL, PKK fighters are the new heroes of Kurdistan To: ufpj-activ...@lists.mayfirst.org A great article indeed. I think it's important to distinguish between two categories of Kurds who, as Robert says, have perfectly legitimate reasons to fear rule by the PKK. On the one hand, there are those quoted toward the end who cite PKK/PYD abuses and even murders, and IMO the jury is still out on whether their conversion to the Gospel According to Murray Bookchin has eliminated that thuggish behavior. On the other hand, there is the Iraqi-Kurdish bourgeoisie, which the article makes clear (if only implicitly) is interested above all in maintaining their role as richly-compensated administrators of what the professor cited calls a semicolonly of Turkey, regardless of what that means for Kurdish workers and peasants throughout the region. -- Original Message -- From: Robert Naiman nai...@justforeignpolicy.org To: ufpj-activist ufpj-activ...@lists.mayfirst.org Subject: [ufpj-activist] Al Jazeera: After repelling ISIL, PKK fighters are the new heroes of Kurdistan Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:58:09 -0500 I think that this is a strikingly great article, in the sense that it shows you not only that the PKK fighters are now viewed as heroes by many Kurds who did not view them so before, because of their recent role in saving Kurdish civilians from ISIS, but also shows you why many Kurds have perfectly legitimate reasons to fear rule by the PKK. This is outstanding journalism of a type that we often don't get to see, presenting a nuanced picture that is more complicated than good guys and bad guys. === After repelling ISIL, PKK fighters are the new heroes of Kurdistan Separatist group’s growing popularity leaves Iraqi Kurdistan government in awkward position October 17, 2014 5:00AM ET by Alia Malek http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/10/17/pkk-s-rise-in-iraqikurdistan.html NetZero now offers 4G mobile broadband. Sign up now. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT1 _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [ufpj-activist] Al Jazeera: After repelling ISIL, PKK fighters are the new heroes of Kurdistan
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * You might be interested in a similar exchange Robert Naiman and I have been having on the Pen-L list: On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Robert Naiman nai...@justforeignpolicy.org wrote: Are you sure that what the article describes about PKK rule in Syria is absolutely determined by historical circumstance? Were areas of Spain under the security control of anarchist and anarcho-syndicalist militias between 1936-1939 like that? If not, should we be so quick to dismiss those concerns? I remember, as an activist opposing Reagan's war in Central America in the 1980s, hearing some really bad things about the FMLN. People around me said: oh, that's just propaganda against the FMLN. Later, after the war, people admitted that some of those things were true. Would it be so terrible to acknowledge that such things are sometimes true at the time, instead of waiting until later? Wouldn’t that increase our credibility with people who know at the time that such things are sometimes true? MG: The Spanish anarchists, in the heat of the struggle, also did not shrink from executing priests, landlords and industrialists, and suspected traitors in their communities and ranks (“Fifth Columnists”), which led to excesses (“extrajudicial killings”) described here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia#Crimes. However, I do think it’s true that the farther right you go along the political spectrum, the more organized and brutal is the application of terror and violence against civilians, largely because the ruling classes in revolutionary situations employ the army and right-wing paramilitaries against the mass of the population which is threatening their power and property under the leadership of left-wing movements. At least, it used to be that way. Today, most civil conflicts are less about class than about race, ethnicity, and religion, and murderous violence against non-combatants is equally distributed on all sides. I’m fully in agreement with you that these abuses should be acknowledged when they occur rather than denied or swept under the rug for the reasons you mentioned. In most cases, however, those in authority always feel it will weaken the belief of their followers that their cause is unsullied, with a resultant decline in motivation and defections from the ranks. Wasn’t that the rationale for many secondary leaders and supporters of the Stalinist CP’s who turned a blind eye to the persecution of their erstwhile anarchist and Trotskyist comrades under the most preposterous pretexts? On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Marv Gandall marvga...@gmail.com wrote: Basically the fear is that the PKK can be controlling and ruthless, but I think that is characteristic of all besieged movements and regimes across the political spectrum engaged in a war of survival. The need for strict discipline and loyalty comes to the fore and is widely accepted, but excesses invariably do occur. I don’t offhand know of any historical instance where this has not been the case. The article in weighted in favour of the PKK’s role and enhanced standing in Iraq, with proper mention given to a few dissident voices. On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:47 AM, Robert Naiman nai...@justforeignpolicy.org wrote: This is a strikingly great article, in the sense that it shows you not only that the PKK fighters are now viewed as heroes by many Kurds who did not view them so before because of their recent role in saving Kurdish civilians from ISIS, but also shows you why many Kurds have perfectly legitimate reasons to fear rule by the PKK. This is outstanding journalism of a type that we often don't get to see, presenting a nuanced picture that is more complicated than good guys and bad guys. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Marv Gandall marvga...@gmail.com wrote: Below is the link to a report in today’s English language edition of Al Jazeera describing how the heroic defence of Kobane by the YPG/J, the militia allied to the Kurdish left-wing parties in Syria (PYD) and Turkey (PKK), has been drawing strong support from Iraqi Kurds. The latter have hitherto been generally loyal to the more conservative party of Masoud Barzani which heads Iraq’s Kurdish Regional Government. But the Barzani government’s close commercial and diplomatic ties with Turkey and the US has been reflected in its hesitant support of the YPG/J, eroding the government’s base of support among Iraqi Kurds inspired by Kobane and themselves directly threatened by the Islamic State. This development very likely contributed to the accelerated use of American air
Re: [Marxism] [ufpj-activist] Al Jazeera: After repelling ISIL, PKK fighters are the new heroes of Kurdistan
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * You might be interested in a similar exchange Robert Naiman and I have been having on the Pen-L list: On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Robert Naiman nai...@justforeignpolicy.org wrote: Are you sure that what the article describes about PKK rule in Syria is absolutely determined by historical circumstance? Were areas of Spain under the security control of anarchist and anarcho-syndicalist militias between 1936-1939 like that? If not, should we be so quick to dismiss those concerns? I remember, as an activist opposing Reagan's war in Central America in the 1980s, hearing some really bad things about the FMLN. People around me said: oh, that's just propaganda against the FMLN. Later, after the war, people admitted that some of those things were true. Would it be so terrible to acknowledge that such things are sometimes true at the time, instead of waiting until later? Wouldn’t that increase our credibility with people who know at the time that such things are sometimes true? MG: The Spanish anarchists, in the heat of the struggle, also did not shrink from executing priests, landlords and industrialists, and suspected traitors in their communities and ranks (“Fifth Columnists”), which led to excesses (“extrajudicial killings”) described here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia#Crimes. However, I do think it’s true that the farther right you go along the political spectrum, the more organized and brutal is the application of terror and violence against civilians, largely because the ruling classes in revolutionary situations employ the army and right-wing paramilitaries against the mass of the population which is threatening their power and property under the leadership of left-wing movements. At least, it used to be that way. Today, most civil conflicts are less about class than about race, ethnicity, and religion, and murderous violence against non-combatants is equally distributed on all sides. I’m fully in agreement with you that these abuses should be acknowledged when they occur rather than denied or swept under the rug for the reasons you mentioned. In most cases, however, those in authority always feel it will weaken the belief of their followers that their cause is unsullied, with a resultant decline in motivation and defections from the ranks. Wasn’t that the rationale for many secondary leaders and supporters of the Stalinist CP’s who turned a blind eye to the persecution of their erstwhile anarchist and Trotskyist comrades under the most preposterous pretexts? On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Marv Gandall marvga...@gmail.com wrote: Basically the fear is that the PKK can be controlling and ruthless, but I think that is characteristic of all besieged movements and regimes across the political spectrum engaged in a war of survival. The need for strict discipline and loyalty comes to the fore and is widely accepted, but excesses invariably do occur. I don’t offhand know of any historical instance where this has not been the case. The article in weighted in favour of the PKK’s role and enhanced standing in Iraq, with proper mention given to a few dissident voices. On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:47 AM, Robert Naiman nai...@justforeignpolicy.org wrote: This is a strikingly great article, in the sense that it shows you not only that the PKK fighters are now viewed as heroes by many Kurds who did not view them so before because of their recent role in saving Kurdish civilians from ISIS, but also shows you why many Kurds have perfectly legitimate reasons to fear rule by the PKK. This is outstanding journalism of a type that we often don't get to see, presenting a nuanced picture that is more complicated than good guys and bad guys. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Marv Gandall marvga...@gmail.com wrote: Below is the link to a report in today’s English language edition of Al Jazeera describing how the heroic defence of Kobane by the YPG/J, the militia allied to the Kurdish left-wing parties in Syria (PYD) and Turkey (PKK), has been drawing strong support from Iraqi Kurds. The latter have hitherto been generally loyal to the more conservative party of Masoud Barzani which heads Iraq’s Kurdish Regional Government. But the Barzani government’s close commercial and diplomatic ties with Turkey and the US has been reflected in its hesitant support of the YPG/J, eroding the government’s base of support among Iraqi Kurds inspired by Kobane and themselves directly threatened by the Islamic State. This development very likely contributed to the accelerated use of American air
Re: [Marxism] [ufpj-activist] Al Jazeera: After repelling ISIL, PKK fighters are the new heroes of Kurdistan
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Brecht's play, The Measures Taken (Die Maßnahme) is appropriate reading with respect to decisions made in the heat of a struggle for revolutionary change. I remember a colleague decrying the treatment of Chinese-Vietnamese after the war in Viet Nam. The US government brutalizes a country for years, killing millions and she wondered why this didn't lead to a flowering of kindness and forgiveness. No reason to condone inhumane behavior, but no reason to turn against a revolutionary movement either. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Ralph Nader and Howie Hawkins NYC Sat Oct. 25
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Saturday Oct. 25th come hear Ralph Nader, Howie Hawkins, Brian Jones, Ramon Jimenez and others at a pre-election Green Party campaign rally and fundraiser at Unitarian Church of All Souls, 1157 Lexington Ave., NY from 2 to 4 PM Nader has called Howie the most consistent progressive voice in New York State and has campaigned for him in several elections. He did an event with him in Albany last month. You can watch a 2 minute video of Ralph introducing Howie here. Suggested price for tickets are $20. RSVP at http://www.howiehawkins.org/nadernyc Come hear about the green party agenda to deal with climate change, ban fracking, raise minimum wage to $15 hour, affordable housing, single payer health care, education, marijuana legalization, affordable housing, and other critical social and economic justice issues. Howie's Green New Deal with provide full employment by transitioning to a 100% clean renewable economy by 2030. Howie Hawkins, a union member from Syracuse who unload trucks at night for a living , is polling at 9% in his race for Governor. This equate to more than 400,000 votes. This would be the highest percentage ever for a progressive third party candidate for Governor in NY. But we want more. Howie is polling 9% when less than 20% of the voters have heard of him. We need funds to buy ads so everyone knows about him. And Howie will also be helping by winning the televised debate on Oct. 22. The average campaign donation to Andy Cuomo is 100 times larger than that to Howie Hawkins. 331 donors have given Cuomo more than $40,000 - to buy access and favors. When the Moreland Commission began to ask why the real estate, gambling and other special interests were giving so much money to Cuomo, he immediately shut it down. For More info, www.howiehawkins.org _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Ralph Nader and Howie Hawkins NYC Sat Oct. 25
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 10/18/14 6:08 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: On Saturday Oct. 25th come hear Ralph Nader, Howie Hawkins, Brian Jones, Ramon Jimenez and others at a pre-election Green Party campaign rally and fundraiser at Unitarian Church of All Souls, 1157 Lexington Ave., NY from 2 to 4 PM Nader has called Howie the most consistent progressive voice in New York State and has campaigned for him in several elections. He did an event with him in Albany last month. You can watch a 2 minute video of Ralph introducing Howie here. Suggested price for tickets are $20. RSVP at http://www.howiehawkins.org/nadernyc Comrades, let's all turn out for this. Howie is not only all-round great ecosocialist activist but a long-time subscriber/lurker on Marxmail. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Labor for Palestine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The Joint Council of UAW 2865, which represents approximately 13,000 student workers: teaching assistants, tutors, and readers at the University of California, just voted UNANIMOUSLY to bring this comprehensive Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) measure for a vote by members on December 4: http://www.uaw2865.org/?p=12137 See this Twitter for context and updates: https://twitter.com/violentfanon -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Labor for Palestine
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Excellent. Just what is needed. comradely Gary On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Joseph Catron via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The Joint Council of UAW 2865, which represents approximately 13,000 student workers: teaching assistants, tutors, and readers at the University of California, just voted UNANIMOUSLY to bring this comprehensive Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) measure for a vote by members on December 4: http://www.uaw2865.org/?p=12137 See this Twitter for context and updates: https://twitter.com/violentfanon -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/gary.maclennan1%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fw: Maybe it was lost in the mughal empire
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Com. Duane, I think you had sent a private message. Because there is nothing private about the message, I am forwarding it to marxmail, with my response. Pardon me for doing it, without your permission. Many of the artists - poets, actors (Raj kapoor, Dev Anand etc., Dilip Kumar) were from the Pakistani region and settled in Bombay at the time of division of India into Pakistan and India. So naturally, early Indian films were mostly in Urdu. Contrary to what you had expressed, Urdu was not encouraged by the British colonial rulers. The imposed English on Indians. Urdu is a language spoken by the people of undivided North-West India and can not be identified with a particular religion. But the word Urdu is derived from the same Turkic word ordu (army) that has given English horde. (Urdu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). It is also said that the origin of the word Urdu is from Urta, meaning 'tent' in Central Asia. The Moghuls are of Central Asian origin, and when they occupied the regions north of Delhi in the 11th and 12th centuries, the invading armies were speaking Persian and Central Asian languages and the locals were spaeking a proto-Hindi which descended from Prakrit and Sanskrit. A new language evolved in the process, Hindusthani or the language of India. The language spoken by most of the people of Northern India (Except ofcourse, Bengal, Gujarat and maharashtra and some other regions) was called Hindi and in the North-West, it is Urdu. Urdu was the official language of the Mughal Rulers. Urdu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Urdu (/ˈʊərduː/; Urdu: اُردُو ALA-LC: Urdū; IPA: [ˈʊrd̪uː] ( listen)), or more precisely Modern Standard Urdu, is a standardized register of the Hindustani languag... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo Even today, most of top actors of Bollywood are muslims (Shahrukh Khan, Salmaan Khan, Aamir Khan among others), but Indian film industry remains free from religious fundamentalism and projects religious harmony and brotherhood. Anyway, language has no religion and Urdu is our Indian language, and we are proud of it. Though my mother tongue is Telugu and I also speak Hindi, besides English, I had cultivated a bit of Urdu from many of my muslim friends and we together enjoy Urdu poetry occassionally. Urdu is a beautiful language, highly expressive and poetic. Words in Urdu carry deep magical meanings and may be that is the reason why Urdu poetry is so enchanting. Vijaya Kumar Marla On Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:09 PM, Duane Filan filan2...@yahoo.com wrote: hi you wrote 'Most of Bollywood films and songs up to the 70's were in Urdu language' I liked all six of your poetic flashes. What language are Bollywood films in now, and why the change? wiki - Urdu is historically associated with the Muslims and received patronage under the British Raj today, I learned the origin of your name and ideas, and what the actors are saying on the television at my favorite 'east indian ' restaurant out here, on the west coast of Canada and the british empire. The owner is Sikh, as are most of the indian diasparites living here. 30 years ago 2 of them blew up an air india plane. 30 years ago, Sikhs working in the fields as farm labourers were a common sight. Now, these people are retired and their sons and daughters work in high tech and have fist fights over whether there should be chairs in their mini golden temple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=4lXXRlUiUJA wiki - The Vijayanagara Empire gained dominance from 1336 to the late 17th century, reaching its peak in the 16th century, when Telugu literature experienced what is considered its Golden Age. The Vijayanagara Empire created an epoch in South Indian history that transcended regionalism by promoting Hinduism as a unifying factor. me - before independence, congress party hindu chauvinists claiming to represent all Indians, imposed this archaic idea on the religious minorities, leading to the break up of india - with a little help from the british, of course. bye VANCOUVER April 6, 2013— Some of Bollywood’s biggest celebrities have descended on Vancouver for the Times of India Film Awards. The province spent $11 million to host and promote the weekend events, according to a Ministry of Tourism news release, which called the cost money well spent. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
