Re: [WSG] Typo3 and Meta Tags
IceKat wrote: Hey, I've never written to this group before but I've seen the emails for a while and am hoping someone can help me out. I've got some work which involves the webware Typo3 (a REALLY messy CMS). I've been asked to add meta keywords and description to a site managed by this but can't find any tutorials which aren't in english. They are all in german. I suspect that there is a download of a plugin or extension but I can't understand anything which comes up so I'm hoping someone knows this webware or can read german and can help. The main website for Typo3 is: http://typo3.com/. Thanks in advance for any replies. Hi Icekat, This is REALLY off topic for this list. Next time please use the TYPO3 mailinglists for any questions regarding this CMS. ., but you would have to use the extension extended metatags. http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/metatags/1.0.4/ It adds options in the constant editor. gRTz ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.com - www.TYPO3.nl Interesse in werken bij Netcreators? http://www.netcreators.com/bedrijf/vacatures/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Background images versus image
Hello, I am working on a new site for a client and need some thoughts on a problem that I have. I am making a list with clickable boxes (like input boxes) that have a checked, disabled and clickable state. My question is, what would work best. Using background images or adding images to the code. The reason I ask is 1) If I use images, we can add alt text to describe what function the images have. This would help with screen readers and people with disabilities. 2) Background images keep the code clean but wonder about the alt text and how screen readers and people with disabilities would read the site. Is there a way to imitate the alt for background images? You can see an example of both ways at: Using images: http://wisconsin.joekiosk.com/list/list.html Using background images: http://wisconsin.joekiosk.com/list/list2.html Let me know your thoughts and what you think would work best. I love the background images as the code is clean, but has any one done any testing to see how this would work for screen readers or do you have suggestions on how to make it more accessible? Thanks for the help. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background images versus image
The first question I'd ask is why not just use check boxes instead of trying to replicate them? If you mark them up correctly then there's really no better accessible method than using the correct element as it was meant. If you go down this route then you're likely to create all kinds of problems for yourself... what happens when users don't have css available (mobile devices), images disabled (dialup users) or are using screenreaders. If you want to change the appearance then I'd use JavaScript to enhance the existing check boxes but for those user agents that don't support JavaScript or have it disabled you should have the fall back of regular forms. Hope that helps. - - - - - http://www.dave-woods.co.uk On 23/01/2008, Likely, James A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am working on a new site for a client and need some thoughts on a problem that I have. I am making a list with clickable boxes (like input boxes) that have a checked, disabled and clickable state. My question is, what would work best. Using background images or adding images to the code. The reason I ask is 1) If I use images, we can add alt text to describe what function the images have. This would help with screen readers and people with disabilities. 2) Background images keep the code clean but wonder about the alt text and how screen readers and people with disabilities would read the site. Is there a way to imitate the alt for background images? You can see an example of both ways at: Using images: *http://wisconsin.joekiosk.com/list/list.html*http://wisconsin.joekiosk.com/list/list.html Using background images: *http://wisconsin.joekiosk.com/list/list2.html*http://wisconsin.joekiosk.com/list/list2.html Let me know your thoughts and what you think would work best. I love the background images as the code is clean, but has any one done any testing to see how this would work for screen readers or do you have suggestions on how to make it more accessible? Thanks for the help. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Compatibility and IE8
Hi all, Have you been following the discussions on the IE8 and compatibility for the last couple of days? For those that haven't been following it (or have deliberately run away to hide), here are a few articles to read :) Here is how it all began... http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/01/21/compatibility-and-ie8.aspx Then there were these two: http://alistapart.com/articles/beyonddoctype http://alistapart.com/articles/fromswitchestotargets And responses/discussions came thick and fast... http://annevankesteren.nl/2008/01/ie-lock-in http://ejohn.org/blog/meta-madness/ http://www.webstandards.org/2008/01/22/microsofts-version-targeting-proposa l/ http://unstoppablerobotninja.com/journal/entry/518/ http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2008/01/post_2.html http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2008/01/slipping_the_ba.html http://www.isolani.co.uk/blog/standards/EndOfLineInternetExplorer http://adactio.com/journal/1402/ http://www.zeldman.com/2008/01/22/in-defense-of-version-targeting/ http://www.news.com/Acid2%2C-Acid3%2C-and-the-power-of-default/2010-1013_3- 6227171.html?part=rsstag=2547-1_3-0-5subj=news http://intertwingly.net/blog/2008/01/22/Best-Standards-Support http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2008/01/the_versioning.html http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200801/standards_mode_is_the_new_quir ks_mode/ http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2008/01/has_internet_ex/ http://morethanseven.net/posts/who-loses-out-to-x-ua-compatible/ http://dean.edwards.name/weblog/2008/01/quotes/ http://www.rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2008/01/22/ie8-and-the-future-of-the -web/ http://www.snook.ca/archives/browsers/version_targeting_ie8/ http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1201080691count=1 http://webkit.org/blog/155/versioning-compatibility-and-standards/ http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/2008/01/22/the-great-opt-out And two final entries discovered just now :) http://weblog.200ok.com.au/2008/01/opt-out-version-targeting-is-spam.html http://log.lachstock.com.au/past/2008/1/23/X-UA-Compatible-past-thoughts-of -children/ Phew...enjoy the reading... Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background images versus image
Basically, here is the simplest way to answer this question. Is there meaningful and important alt text you can give the image, or is their something they'd miss out on without the image or alt text?. If the answer is yes, use images. If not, then use background images. Basically, background images are supposed to be purely -decoration-. If they are in any way, shape, or form content, use images. Although, in your specific case, I would go with what Dave Woods said. If you really want those image check boxes, use normal check boxes, and then use Javascript to swap those out for your image ones. With that solution, if they don't have Javascript, normal check boxes appear (which are easy for screen readers and the like), and if you do have Javascript, you get your cute image check boxes. And, I'd say use normal images for those as well and use alt text like checked, unchecked, disabled, however, that wouldn't work well with a screen reader. Likely, James A. wrote: Hello, I am working on a new site for a client and need some thoughts on a problem that I have. I am making a list with clickable boxes (like input boxes) that have a checked, disabled and clickable state. My question is, what would work best. Using background images or adding images to the code. The reason I ask is 1) If I use images, we can add alt text to describe what function the images have. This would help with screen readers and people with disabilities. 2) Background images keep the code clean but wonder about the alt text and how screen readers and people with disabilities would read the site. Is there a way to imitate the alt for background images? You can see an example of both ways at: Using images: _http://wisconsin.joekiosk.com/list/list.html_ Using background images: _http://wisconsin.joekiosk.com/list/list2.html_ Let me know your thoughts and what you think would work best. I love the background images as the code is clean, but has any one done any testing to see how this would work for screen readers or do you have suggestions on how to make it more accessible? Thanks for the help. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background images versus image
On 23 Jan 2008, at 17:29, Christian Snodgrass wrote: [quote] Although, in your specific case, I would go with what Dave Woods said. If you really want those image check boxes, use normal check boxes, and then use Javascript to swap those out for your image ones. With that solution, if they don't have Javascript, normal check boxes appear (which are easy for screen readers and the like), and if you do have Javascript, you get your cute image check boxes. And, I'd say use normal images for those as well and use alt text like checked, unchecked, disabled, however, that wouldn't work well with a screen reader. [/quote] Even the JS approach would potentially be an issue for screen reader users. When a screen reader is used for filling in a form, it switches from its usual reading mode into forms mode, which allows the user to interact with the form. If, however, your JavaScript has removed the form elements, there is then nothing to interact with - it can't tell that the images are supposed to be like the clicky widgets it understands. So you would definitely need to look into using some kind of offscreen positioning technique, rather than just replacing the checkboxes with images, so that users of such assistive technologies would be able to use the page. HTH, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Typo3 and Meta Tags
Ben I realise that was off topic so thank you for helping me out. That is a HUGE help! I was starting to lose my mind with all the stuff out there which I couldn't read so thank you for that link. It is seriously appreciated. I didn't realise there was mailing list to use so I promise next time I'll find and use that. :) IceKat - Original Message - From: ben van 't ende [netcreators] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Typo3 and Meta Tags IceKat wrote: Hey, I've never written to this group before but I've seen the emails for a while and am hoping someone can help me out. I've got some work which involves the webware Typo3 (a REALLY messy CMS). I've been asked to add meta keywords and description to a site managed by this but can't find any tutorials which aren't in english. They are all in german. I suspect that there is a download of a plugin or extension but I can't understand anything which comes up so I'm hoping someone knows this webware or can read german and can help. The main website for Typo3 is: http://typo3.com/. Thanks in advance for any replies. Hi Icekat, This is REALLY off topic for this list. Next time please use the TYPO3 mailinglists for any questions regarding this CMS. ., but you would have to use the extension extended metatags. http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/metatags/1.0.4/ It adds options in the constant editor. gRTz ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.com - www.TYPO3.nl Interesse in werken bij Netcreators? http://www.netcreators.com/bedrijf/vacatures/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background images versus image
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 23 Jan 2008, at 17:29, Christian Snodgrass wrote: [quote] Although, in your specific case, I would go with what Dave Woods said. If you really want those image check boxes, use normal check boxes, and then use Javascript to swap those out for your image ones. With that solution, if they don't have Javascript, normal check boxes appear (which are easy for screen readers and the like), and if you do have Javascript, you get your cute image check boxes. And, I'd say use normal images for those as well and use alt text like checked, unchecked, disabled, however, that wouldn't work well with a screen reader. [/quote] Even the JS approach would potentially be an issue for screen reader users. When a screen reader is used for filling in a form, it switches from its usual reading mode into forms mode, which allows the user to interact with the form. If, however, your JavaScript has removed the form elements, there is then nothing to interact with - it can't tell that the images are supposed to be like the clicky widgets it understands. So you would definitely need to look into using some kind of offscreen positioning technique, rather than just replacing the checkboxes with images, so that users of such assistive technologies would be able to use the page. HTH, Nick. It would be quite simple to simply place the images visually over the checkboxes. Not sure how you would deal with tabbing however I'm sure that you could make something decent. Maybe ad an on focus event to the checkbox that would change the image to indicate focus. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compatibility and IE8
crikey, that's some list. thanks Russ. On 24/01/2008, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you been following the discussions on the IE8 and compatibility for the last couple of days? For those that haven't been following it (or have deliberately run away to hide), here are a few articles to read :) -- kind regards, Terrence Wood *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
