Re: [WSG] Browsers Emulator
Justin French wrote: What I'd like to see is a program for Mac OS X that will load a URL into all currently running browsers (including those in X11, VirtualPC and MacClassic, so it's truly cross-platform), take a screen shot, and present them back in one tabbed interface as a series of screen shots which the designer can view to get a decent overview of what's going on browser-to-browser in one location. Not exactly what you asked for... but this kinda works too: Paste this mystical code between head and /head meta http-equiv=refresh content=5 / Open your page in all required browsers, wait 5 secs for them all to reload your page after you made any changes. Screw opensource -- I would pay serious cash for such a tool! This is gonna cost you! ;-) -- Kristof * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Browsers Emulator - On open source [OT]
Sorry, I just couldn't let this one go.. Its a common misconception that you cannot sell open source software. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html ;) On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 11:56, Justin French wrote: Screw opensource -- I would pay serious cash for such a tool! This is MUCH better than browsercam, because * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Browsers Emulator
Not quite what youy asked for, but I've found Browser Cam to be pretty useful: http://www.browsercam.com Depending on the size of your organization, the (13-month) annual contract that allows for up to 10 sub-users is really a good deal at $400. Scott Reston www.capstrat.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jad Madi Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Browsers Emulator Greetings Guys is there any Web browsers emulators? I think it would be nice if we could collect enough information to build an Online/offline web browsers emulator So instead of having to install 4 browsers and test on different OS's developers will need only to use this emulater to see how their website will look like on X or Y browser. Thank you * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Browsers Emulator
well i'm not trying to use an paid-online tool i'm trying to build open source free tool. On Tue, 25 May 2004 11:37:20 -0700 (PDT), Krassy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Jad Madi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any Web browsers emulators? http://www.browsercam.com/ http://www.danvine.com/icapture/ http://www.vmware.com/ http://www.netmechanic.com/browser-index.htm = Krassy Lyakov web.developer web: http://www.krassy.com/ blog: http://www.krassycandoit.com/blah/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Browsers Emulator
It's very difficult (impossible) to emulate all the bugs in a browser without running the browser. Emulators can emulate the required behaviour but generally not the bugs. So unless you actually do what people like browsercam have done and set up a bank of machines running the browsers and screenshot them, it's a bit pointless. P well i'm not trying to use an paid-online tool i'm trying to build open source free tool. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Browsers Emulator
That's true, running IE6 under Linux via wine [1] even introduces extra quirks and bugs, which I sometimes falsely blame IE for until I go an actually check on XP. It does work relatively well though, and its handy for quick testing. Regards Chris Blown [1] http://www.winehq.com On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 10:15, Peter Firminger wrote: It's very difficult (impossible) to emulate all the bugs in a browser without running the browser. Emulators can emulate the required behaviour but generally not the bugs. So unless you actually do what people like browsercam have done and set up a bank of machines running the browsers and screenshot them, it's a bit pointless. P well i'm not trying to use an paid-online tool i'm trying to build open source free tool. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Browsers Emulator
On 26/05/2004, at 10:15 AM, Peter Firminger wrote: It's very difficult (impossible) to emulate all the bugs in a browser without running the browser. Emulators can emulate the required behaviour but generally not the bugs. So unless you actually do what people like browsercam have done and set up a bank of machines running the browsers and screenshot them, it's a bit pointless. It would be conceivable (but a LOT of work) for someone to build an emulator that took advantage of all opensource browsers' rendering engines in one neat package, but the reality is that a lot of browsers (IE in particular, but plenty of others) are closed-source, so there's very little we can do about it. And as you say, the only true way to test a browser is with the browser running natively in it's intended environment, so an emulator will never achieve accurate results, so it's pretty much useless. What I'd like to see is a program for Mac OS X that will load a URL into all currently running browsers (including those in X11, VirtualPC and MacClassic, so it's truly cross-platform), take a screen shot, and present them back in one tabbed interface as a series of screen shots which the designer can view to get a decent overview of what's going on browser-to-browser in one location. Hit refresh, and all N browsers refresh, take a new screen shot, and load back into the tabbed interface. A small go to this browser button would bring that particular browser/window to the front, so that the user could study it in the flesh. Even better would be if this previewing program took notice of mouse position, and did long screen shots that continue down below the fold. Screw opensource -- I would pay serious cash for such a tool! This is MUCH better than browsercam, because - it doesn't require a subscription, network connection, internet access, etc - it doesn't require any bandwidth, and would be virtually instant (my guess would be a 5-20 second delay) If any crazy Mac developers out there are listening, GET TO WORK :) --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
