Re: [9fans] 9legacy under OpenBSD's vmm
I would like to run 9legacy on OpenBSD as well. Unfortunately, I'm still learning and even though finding and ideally contributing solutions to such bugs is a distant goal of mine, my only current option is to run on 9front. In the wiki (https://wiki.9front.org/openbsd-vmm) it says: "Since VMM doesn’t provide any display functionality, 9front’s console has to be redirected to virtual serial port by adding console=0 to plan9.ini. It makes sense to also use display=none while at it. Note that even though you might not have a chance to modify plan9.ini before booting, stopping boot process with an early hit of a key, typing an additional configuration in, and then boot is ought to work." Unfortunately, the only way I know to start a VM under OpenBSD is to set up the vm in /etc/vm.conf, enable and start vmd via rcctl and then connect via SSH or vmctl console. Could someone possibly help me out and explain how I can edit the plan9.ini during the boot process, please? Thank you very much in advance! -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te13afbfe31e87665-M8fd548688b12d7af925e6fa9 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] licence question
On Wednesday, 2 February 2022, at 7:22 PM, ron minnich wrote: > This one statement: "Berkeley stopped their distribution of BSD systems right after they were forced to remove the toolchain." is completely wrong. I just asked the people who were there, on TUHS, and they confirmed my memory: DARPA funding for BSD support ended in 1995, and that was probably the biggest factor in ending the UCB activities in BSD. I think it's important to verify claims with primary sources. Many of those people are still alive. Thank you for the clearance. Looking from a distance I misinterpreted the real reasons and I never met the primary sources in person. That was my interpretation and as it seems it was wrong. Thank you for your effort to make things more clear. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3e07bfdf263a83c8-M959b3645d30c70355fd751cb Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] licence question
This one statement: "Berkeley stopped their distribution of BSD systems right after they were forced to remove the toolchain." is completely wrong. I just asked the people who were there, on TUHS, and they confirmed my memory: DARPA funding for BSD support ended in 1995, and that was probably the biggest factor in ending the UCB activities in BSD. I think it's important to verify claims with primary sources. Many of those people are still alive. On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 8:27 AM wrote: > > Quoth Wes Kussmaul : > > > > Hiro, you have absolutely hit the nail on the head. > > > > So, how do you add rationality and reliability to the > > dpkg-app/play-store idea? > > > > Answer: emulate the ways this has been done for centuries in the > > physical world. > > I'd like to think we've progressed past the point > of physical violence against vendors, but perhaps > you've got a point. > -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3e07bfdf263a83c8-M2872803886afea8401ef9223 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] licence question
Quoth Wes Kussmaul : > > Hiro, you have absolutely hit the nail on the head. > > So, how do you add rationality and reliability to the > dpkg-app/play-store idea? > > Answer: emulate the ways this has been done for centuries in the > physical world. I'd like to think we've progressed past the point of physical violence against vendors, but perhaps you've got a point. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3e07bfdf263a83c8-Mfd203c9ccaddc3c120aca1b1 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Create HTML pages
> I don't know whether pandoc runs > on Plan 9. It is Haskell, so I suspect not. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te71ff4b45d15900f-M78a822fd2c0d5283486b02f4 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Create HTML pages
On 2/1/22 08:20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: Quoth Ben Hancock : This is not Plan 9 specific Are you implying it runs on plan 9 at all? You're right - I should have clarified: I don't know whether pandoc runs on Plan 9. I thought I would suggest just in case OP was looking at tools from the Plan 9 user space and could consider other options that run on other Unix-like systems. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te71ff4b45d15900f-Maab329b056e629f0719d29ca Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] licence question
On 2/1/22 17:47, hiro wrote: I believe that David is right that it was a combination of running on really low-end hardware (in the early days, Torvalds accepted patches for just about anything), and a similarly low barrier to entry (others elsewhere have quipped about having to appease, "the Gods of BSD" to get anything into those systems) and the AT lawsuit, which was at best misguided but scared people off of BSD. I always explain it the following way to the non-techies: You've heard of the appstore and how everybody wants to replicate apple's "business model" behind it. Well, it turns out they didn't come up with it. The true inventor was Linus Torvalds. Linux is an "appstore" for bad driver software. Maybe the first time in human civilization where something so broken by design has become the core underlying business plan and gained so much interest to succeed at such scale and against all rationality. Apple had it all easy after this proof of concept. They sold half-ripe hardware, with nearly none of the potential exploited by software, and relied on mostly unvetted third-party submissions to fix that in "apps". Worked for GNU/LINUX, makes apple rich, too. Hiro, you have absolutely hit the nail on the head. So, how do you add rationality and reliability to the dpkg-app/play-store idea? Answer: emulate the ways this has been done for centuries in the physical world. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3e07bfdf263a83c8-M1f1023550e4f86e13077f76b Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?
as a trackpoint fanatic i can tell you: no, i can't sweep as easily as with a physical mouse. but if a physical mouse is 10/10, and a smartphone is 1/10, then a touchpad is 3/10 and a trackpoint is 8/10 for my purposes. the only thing that makes this more steep is gaming: there the mouse is much more important, and sometimes reaction times matter, so if physical mouse is still 10/10, the smartphone and touchpad is basically unusable 0/10, the trackpoint 3/10, and the only alternative *still* barely usable, in my books. the only thing excluded here is those ball mice, i never got used to them. On 2/2/22, Oleg Finkelshteyn wrote: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2022, at 04:25, Ben Hancock wrote: >> Do you find you're able to sweep lines as easily using it in acme as with >> a physical mouse? > > can't really say: i'm not a heavy acme user, and i haven't had a mouse in > years. shinobi does feel pretty close to a thinkpad, so you should be able > to test with a latter. > acme feels comfortable to me in my setup, but you should really check > whether you are fine with having to use both thumbs to chord. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-M4782f89318341250f138e272 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022, at 04:25, Ben Hancock wrote: > Do you find you're able to sweep lines as easily using it in acme as with a > physical mouse? can't really say: i'm not a heavy acme user, and i haven't had a mouse in years. shinobi does feel pretty close to a thinkpad, so you should be able to test with a latter. acme feels comfortable to me in my setup, but you should really check whether you are fine with having to use both thumbs to chord. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T49f3cceea70d2b61-Mf589a7afdf27dd56da6be881 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
