Re: [abcusers] Modes and key signatures (Was: Hi)
On the subject of global accidentals John Chambers wrote: ... The idea of a tool with an option to distribute accidentals through the music does strike me as potentially useful in some obscure situations. ... At the moment Muse doesn't support global accidentals, but does have this fuunctionin so far as it applies between "standard" keys. For instance if you write a tune in C and then realise that you have sharped every single G in the piece you can tell Muse to change the key signature to G and preverve the pitch of the notes. It is useful. I have used it in real life, most often to correct the mode of a mixolydian piece. Laurie To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] The abc committee (Was: Hi)
I was one of the people who was asked to join the committee, but I declined, suggesting they should concentrate on the major abc developers instead, and that's more or less how it happened. With hindsight I might agree it wasn't the perfect solution. Among other things it left Jack Campin and - as far as I know - Robert Bley-Vroman out. I'm happy with the present setup; the people on the committee have always listened to my suggestions, and small committees work better than big ones. I spent a couple of years being something like a diplomatic envoy in a multi-site, multinational software project once, and if I was going to do it again I'd prefer to have free flights to interesting places as part of the deal like I did back then. === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] More modes (was: Modes and key signatures)
Laurie Griffiths wrote: Frank Nordberg's message included: K:C akustisk would mean: C-D-E-F#-F-A-Bb-c Did you really mean to include notes not in strict ascending order? E then F# then F? Is there more to this scale than met the eye? I believe Frank ment G instead of F - that would make sense to me... -- bert van vreckem echo bexryt.vzaxnvrexckyemqxadvyaxlvasz.bxe|sed -e "s/[x-z]//g;s/q/@/" The trouble with computers is that they do what you tell them, not what you want. -- D. Cohen To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Modes and key signatures (Was: Hi)
Laurie Griffiths wrote: For instance if you write a tune in C and then realise that you have sharped every single G in the piece you can tell Muse to change the key signature to G and preverve the pitch of the notes. ... and I'm sure you meant F there on the second line? ;-) -- bert van vreckem echo bexryt.vzaxnvrexckyemqxadvyaxlvasz.bxe|sed -e "s/[x-z]//g;s/q/@/" The trouble with computers is that they do what you tell them, not what you want. -- D. Cohen To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Modes and key signatures (Was: Hi)
On Wed 07 Mar 2001 at 01:30AM +, John Chambers wrote: Wil writes: | But is there a compelling reason why we should not define | "E hejaz" or "E freygish"? (in a similar manner to the definition | proposed for chords) I have a further suggestion for handling arbitrary modes which promotes them to part of the abc, but doesn't require the application to know all possible modes; allow the K: field to have a mode= subfield. This will do the following: 1. Check the number of sharps and flats and give a warning if it does not correspond to the specified mode. 2. Work out the root note and either print root at an appropriate place for a typesetting program or something else appropriate for a player program. e.g. K:C ^b _f mode=hejaz will check to see if you really have specified hejaz mode. James Allwright To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Modes and key signatures (Was: Hi)
On Wed 07 Mar 2001 at 12:35AM +, Phil Taylor wrote: Wil wrote: But is there a compelling reason why we should not define "E hejaz" or "E freygish"? (in a similar manner to the definition proposed for chords) I assume we are talking about the K: field here, and I think there is a fairly compelling case against. Adding new modes ad hoc like this is not application-friendly. Currently, we know that the mode will be only one of 12 possibilities, so we can cover all cases. If an application does not recognize a mode, the rest of the file becomes just about useless. Writing something like K:C ^b _f % hejaz conveys the same information and is fully backwards-compatible. (I'm sure this example is wrong because I have no idea what hejaz is). Obviously there are many people who find mode information helpful and useful, but then again many people can manage perfectly well without it, so it seems a little unreasonable to force a full knowledge of modes onto anyone who wants to read abc. I hope I haven't stirred up too much of the religous ferver that this topic always seems to invite. James Allwright To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] More modes (was: Modes and key signatures)
Laurie Griffiths wrote: Frank Nordberg's message included: K:C akustisk would mean: C-D-E-F#-F-A-Bb-c Did you really mean to include notes not in strict ascending order? E then F# then F? Is there more to this scale than met the eye? Sorry, a typo here. The correct sequence of notes is: C-D-E-F#-G-A-Bb-c Or, to be more precise (for the benefit of any mathematicians who might subscribe to the list): n - n9/8 - n5/4 - n11/8 - n3/2 - n13/8 - n7/4 - n2 (the observant reader might notice that the system actually calls for an extra note, but that one isn't generally used) Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] More modes (was: Modes and key signatures)
John Chambers wrote: Hey, that reminds me - I have a selyeflyte that I've had for years, but I've hardly learned any tunes on it. (It's made of PVC, which is why it's still around. ;-) I wonder if there are any around in ABC? I wonder if it would be possible to find them? Now if this mode were part of the standard, I should be able to find them rather quickly, don't you think? Tricky. The seljeflyte (willow flute) uses lots of quarter tones and is virtually impossible to notate that music in standard notation. There's a sound example at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/4915/SALLOW.HTM in case anybody is interested. Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Modes and key signatures (Was: Hi)
See if I've got this right: K: RootMode Key signature Dlyd D lydian F# - C# - G# DD majorF# - C# D^e_fD sillyE# - Fb D^f^c=g D none F# - C# - G natural _b +-unspecified-+ Bb This last one seems potentially disastrous, as almost any newcomer to ABC would assume it meant B flat major (in fact it's the way I'd *prefer* to write B flat major). How about a new keyword to warn the user when one of these oddities is coming? K:none _b for that example where no root is given, or K:G none _b % synonymous with G dorian where we state the root but import no assumptions from modal theory about what the key signature is. (I don't think this is generally a good idea; people should be encouraged to give names to unusual modes, even if they are fairly arbitrary like the Kurdish examples I posted here a while back). "none" would also allow converters from other notation systems to get the key signature right while providing the reader with the information that the key/mode specification was incomplete and some human editing still had to be done. The other use of a "none" key or mode is when using an automatic transposer (like BarFly's built-in utility) for atonal music; the required behaviour is different than when transposing a piece in C. === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Modes and key signatures (Was: Hi)
Hmm, maybe actually defining the scale (as below) within an abc file wouldn't be such a hot idea after all. "Richard L Walker"[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pensacola, FL 32504-7726 USA -Original Message- | This gives a scale of C _D E F G A _B c. | Oh, "mixolydian with flattened 2nd" then. The "phrygian with major | third" would be | C _D E F G _A _B c Hmmm ... I seem to have gotten both of them wrong, too. I meant C _D E F G _A _B c To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] The abc committee
Frank Nordberg said - John and Laura decided to recruit committee members among the most active posters at abcusers. Strange. They didn't ask me. I was one of the people who was asked to join the committee, but I declined, suggesting they should concentrate on the major abc developers instead, and that's more or less how it happened. A great pity. I think that Frank, as one of the major contributors to abc without being a developer, is exactly the sort of person who should have been on the committee. His consistent level headed approach and courteous manner would have been an effective counter to some of the more headstrong members. Bryan Creer
Re: [abcusers] The abc committee
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Nordberg said - John and Laura decided to recruit committee members among the most active posters at abcusers. Strange. They didn't ask me. Perhaps that's because you seem to spend 90% of your posts getting aggrieved and appearing to dislike everyone else. I don't think I'd want to work with you either. -- Richard Robinson "The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
