Re: [abcusers] to post or not to post
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Mike Whitaker wrote: Now (not so hypothetically), in the interest in promulgating (my particular brand of) music, I typeset my tunes and take them to the local music store and sell them with the proviso that all profits go to help offset the cost of musical instrument rentals to under-privilaged children (I encourage you all to do the same). The question is, have I violated J. Unger's copyright (and Rounder's) or not? Yes, unquestionably. The disposition of the money you make does NOT affect whether or not it's a breach of copyright. (Unless you've contacted the copyright holder and obtained their permission). -- Richard Robinson "The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] small fragments?
Laura Conrad wrote: Cindy Thanks so much for the reply. When you say "small Cindy fragments" are you talking about pieces of one tune, or Cindy just a few selections out of one file? Often I post just one voice of a multi-part piece. Or just enough of the voice to illustrate the feature or misfeature I'm talking about in my post. Just for the record: incomplete tunes aren't even considered for the abcusers tune archive. Cindy Do you share your website with everyone or is it more for Cindy personal use of friends and associates? The one in my .sig is for everyone. http://www.laymusic.org/music-publish.html is the section that has all my publishing. Anybody interested in early music should have a look at Laura's site. Her collection is marvelous :) But this again reminds me of something (forget my own head next) A week or so ago I updated the Free Sheet Music Directory. There are now 122 sites listed in the ABC category: http://www.musicaviva.com/fsmd/list.tpl?category=ABC Here are the URLs of all the sites listed in the ABC category: http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/ http://www.taberna.com.ar/ http://home.t-online.de/home/pheld/noten.htm http://www.ceolas.org/tunes/ http://diato.org/tablat.htm http://shiva.di.uminho.pt/~jj/ http://www.AccordionLinks.com/publisher.cfm http://www.firepowr.com/ http://www.formulus.com/hymns/abc2gif.html http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/ http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/ http://www.lesession.demon.co.uk http://www.mcn.net/~acflynn/music.html http://www.multimania.com/corneymusers/ http://abc.sourceforge.net/ http://adactio.com/session/ http://alan-ng.net/alan/ http://eceserv0.ece.wisc.edu/~cobb/ http://famdeboer.www.cistron.nl/bagpipe.html http://Fox.nstn.ca:80/~mgasikn/violin.html http://hjem.get2net.dk/widell/ http://home.clara.net/gmatkin/tunes.htm http://home.primus.com.au/timbarker/ http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-11382/abc.htm http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~dexy/celtic.htm http://ifdo.pugmarks.com/~seymour/runabc/top.html http://kazimodal.trad.org/ http://members.aol.com/boynehunt/ceili.html http://members.aol.com/jmarchenry http://members.aol.com/LewesArmsFolk/Lewesfav.html http://members.aol.com/somido/abcsongs.html http://members.home.com/eskin/tunebook.html http://members.teleweb.at/simon.wascher/ http://members.tripod.com/~Rosin_the_bow/tunes.html http://members.xoom.com/Leffidd/ http://moinejf.free.fr/ http://people.we.mediaone.net/brunodale/dances.html http://perso.club-internet.fr/banwarth/engguitare.htm http://perso.club-internet.fr/ocoronel/ http://perun.hscs.wmin.ac.uk/~jra/ http://pw2.netcom.com/~crfowler/pcorner.htm http://rbu01.ed-rbu.mrc.ac.uk/barflystuff/barflypage.html http://tnt.vianet.on.ca/pages/rickere/index.shtml http://users.erols.com/olsonw/ http://users.skynet.be/infants/musiques/ http://w3.one.net/~rsim/ http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/people/ohgaki/sainak/sainak.html http://web.syr.edu/~htkeays/morris/hounds/ http://www.8ung.at/diatonica/abc_eng.html http://www.8ung.at/tradivarium/ http://www.akula.com/~blakeley/music/index.html http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/index.html http://www.banjolin.supanet.com/ http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxhf/music/music.html http://www.blueskiesink.com/bar-b-q/index.htm http://www.blueskiesink.com/Ormston/default.htm http://www.blueskiesink.com/reavy/ http://www.calweb.com/~ndlxs/dulcimer.html http://www.celticmusic.co.nz/greenman/mark/ http://www.celticmusic.com/roger_landes/dragon_reels.shtml http://www.cybernw.com/~oneil/ http://www.cnnw.net/~oneil/ http://www.co-mando.com/ http://www.concertina.net/ http://www.continuo.freeserve.co.uk/ http://www.cranfordpub.com/ http://www.cranfordpub.com/tunes/abcs http://www.cri.ensmp.fr/~keryell/trad/partitions/partitions.html http://www.dinglehall.freeserve.co.uk/kyoy/ http://www.downie65.freeserve.co.uk/ http://www.execpc.com/~jimvint/abc/milwsun1.abc http://www.execpc.com/~jimvint/index.html http://www.fff.at/fff/dance/ http://www.flatpicker.com http://www.g8ina.enta.net/index.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6464/hmpg.html http://www.geocities.com/bertvv/en/index.html http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/4766/index.html http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5567/playford.txt http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/7088/ http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/winder.html http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/6812/ http://www.geocities.com/~cliff_moses/ http://www.gradcenter.marlboro.edu/~mahoney http://www.hslc.org/~gormley http://www.ihp-ffo.de/~msm/ http://www.laymusic.org/ http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/tunebook.html http://www.lll.hawaii.edu/esl/bley-vroman/contra/ http://www.logeny.com/abctwin.htm http://www.manchester-morris.freeserve.co.uk/ http://www.mandolin.u-net.com/abctunes.htm http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/articles/PDA.Jul.96/ http://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~chapman/ http://www.mucl.de/~mdoering/konzertina/en/music/abctunes.htm http://www.musicaviva.com http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~thomas.green/tunebook/
Re: [abcusers] Tune archive updated
Cindy wrote: In a message dated 3/29/2001 4:37:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . Some tunes are not sopyright protected, so I've left them out. Also contributors have occasionaly asked me not to include certain tunes, I would like to hear the reasons why people do not want to have tunes posted. Looking back, I notice it has actually happened only once. The reason was - as Laura has already said - that the ABC transciption was a work in progress and not ready for distibution. Cindy also wrote: Actually, I had no intentions of arguing or even in disagreeing, nor of dragging anyone into a discussion. Maybe I wasnt clear in stating that I was only interested in different people's reason for not wanting their music posted so that I could be more informed when the topic came up, like it did in the workshop this past weekend. Don't worry Cindy. I think people here understood what you meant. We aren't always very good at "diplomatic" language here at abcusers, but we all mean well most of the time ;) *** We do not quit playing because we grow old, We grow old because we quit playing. -oliver wendell holmes- That's one of the best e mail footer quotes I've ever come across :) This reminds me, btw. I forgot to list the contributors in my last message: Atte Andr http://atteland.cjb.net John Henckelhttp://geocities.com/jdhenckel/ Philip Rowe http://knottedchord.members.beeb.net Bryan Creer http://members.aol.com/abacusmusic/ Simon Wascher http://members.teleweb.at/simon.wascher/ Phil Taylor http://rbu01.ed-rbu.mrc.ac.uk/barflystuff/barflypage.html John Chambers http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/ Nigel Gatherer http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/index.html Ian Hallhttp://www.dinglehall.freeserve.co.uk/kyoy Bruce Olson http://www.erols.com/olsonw Laura Conradhttp://www.laymusic.org/ Richard Robinsonhttp://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/tunebook.html Robert Bley-Vroman http://www.lll.hawaii.edu/esl/bley-vroman/contra/ Sigfrid Lundberghttp://www.lub.lu.se/~siglun/ Laurie Griffithshttp://www.musements.co.uk/muse Frank Nordberg http://www.musicaviva.com/index.html Jack Campin http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/jack.html Johnny Adamshttp://www.salford.ac.uk/media/research/vmpaims.htm Steve Allen http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/abcmusic/music.html Bruce Rosen Christophe Declercq Dave Holland David Barnert Eric Galluzzo Franck Rouquie' Gianni Cunich Ivan Bradley John Walsh R. J. Peach Ren Quinou Thomas Keays Any corrections and additions to the URL list? Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Tune archive updated
Hello, Frank Nordberg wrote: (...) This reminds me, btw. I forgot to list the contributors in my last message:(...) Any corrections and additions to the URL list? Yes indeed. this URL is still working but the provider company was bought and so they changed all URS from "members.teleweb.at" to "members.chello.at" ( by the way what did you post from my stuff ? I could not recive your mail then and am curious :-) ) Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Tune archive updated
"Frank" == Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Frank Any corrections and additions to the URL list? You should have Taco Walstra's lute tab site, http://msg.wins.uva.nl/~walstra/ABCArchive/. Christoph Dalitz, and maybe other people did some of the transcribing there. -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.laymusic.org : Putting live music back in the living room. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] small fragments?
Frank Nordberg writes: | Anybody interested in early music should have a look at Laura's site. | Her collection is marvelous :) | | But this again reminds me of something (forget my own head next) A week | or so ago I updated the Free Sheet Music Directory. There are now 122 | sites listed in the ABC category: | http://www.musicaviva.com/fsmd/list.tpl?category=ABC | | Here are the URLs of all the sites listed in the ABC category: | I fed these URLs to my searcher to see if there were any that had ABC files that weren't in my Tune Finder's indexes. It found new tunes at http://users.skynet.be/infants/musiques/ http://www.formulus.com/hymns/abc2gif.html http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~thomas.green/tunebook/ The following didn't turn up any ABC at all. Anyone know about any of them, maybe a better URL to find the tunes? http://famdeboer.www.cistron.nl/bagpipe.html http://Fox.nstn.ca:80/~mgasikn/violin.html http://hjem.get2net.dk/widell/ http://home.t-online.de/home/pheld/noten.htm http://members.home.com/eskin/tunebook.html http://members.teleweb.at/simon.wascher/ http://members.xoom.com/Leffidd/ http://people.we.mediaone.net/brunodale/dances.html http://pw2.netcom.com/~crfowler/pcorner.htm http://shiva.di.uminho.pt/~jj/ http://www.AccordionLinks.com/publisher.cfm http://www.concertina.net/ http://www.cri.ensmp.fr/~keryell/trad/partitions/partitions.html http://www.fff.at/fff/dance/ http://www.g8ina.enta.net/index.htm http://www.hslc.org/~gormley http://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~chapman/ http://www.multimania.com/corneymusers/ http://www.skandia-folkdance.org/spelmanslag/index.html http://www.sofiamusicschool.nl/ethno2.htm http://www.soltec.net/~daglenn/conc_70.html http://www.spirit.net.au/~gramac/ http://www.taberna.com.ar/ http://www1.roke.co.uk/SIB/repertoire.html The rest were already in my index with at least one ABC file. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...
Hi, My Name is Brad Maloney and I have been lurking for quite a while on this list. At any rate for a diversion and excercise I am playing around with coding a QBasic-like program from scratch, but I am hung up on the fomula that "figures" half step increments in MgHz.. I have so far created several scales temperments but none that are "Well Tempered" Even if you don't have the formula if you could forward a table of A 440 chromaticaly through a 880 it would be a great help. with those figures I can find the formula.. Thanks in advance, Brad Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...
| Hi, | My Name is Brad Maloney and I have been lurking for quite a while on this | list. At any rate for a diversion and excercise I am playing around | with coding a QBasic-like program from scratch, but I am hung up on | the fomula that "figures" half step increments in MgHz.. I have | so far created several scales temperments but none that are | "Well Tempered" | Even if you don't have the formula if you could forward a table | of A 440 chromaticaly through a 880 it would be a great help. with | those figures I can find the formula.. | Thanks in advance, Brad Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED] The ratio of two notes a half step apart is the 12th root of 2, or 1.0594631 to 8 places. Is there anything more to it than that? To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...
On Tuesday 03 April 2001 17:19, you wrote: Brad Maloney wrote: Hi, My Name is Brad Maloney and I have been lurking for quite a while on this list. At any rate for a diversion and excercise I am playing around with coding a QBasic-like program from scratch, but I am hung up on the fomula that "figures" half step increments in MgHz.. I have so far created several scales temperments but none that are "Well Tempered" Even if you don't have the formula if you could forward a table of A 440 chromaticaly through a 880 it would be a great help. with those figures I can find the formula.. Thanks in advance, Brad Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Step semitones by a factor of 2 to the 1/N power (up and down from A = 440 Hz (usually); N usually 12. What are MgHz? Hz and KHz are more appropriate for ears. N *exactly* 12, in fact. To go up a semitone, multiply by 2^(1/12) (or pow(2,1/12) in Basic). -- Mike Whitaker | Work: +44 1733 766619 | Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] System Architect | Fax: +44 1733 348287 | Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CricInfo Ltd | GSM: +44 7971 977375 | Web: http://www.cricket.org/ To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...
John Chambers wrote: | Hi, | My Name is Brad Maloney and I have been lurking for quite a while on this | list. At any rate for a diversion and excercise I am playing around | with coding a QBasic-like program from scratch, but I am hung up on | the fomula that "figures" half step increments in MgHz.. I have | so far created several scales temperments but none that are | "Well Tempered" | Even if you don't have the formula if you could forward a table | of A 440 chromaticaly through a 880 it would be a great help. with | those figures I can find the formula.. | Thanks in advance, Brad Maloney [EMAIL PROTECTED] So what's the big deal? The ratio of two notes a half step apart is the 12th root of 2, or 1.0594631 to 8 places. Is it any more complicated than that? To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html That's what I said. There's more equal temperament scales than the 12 tone one. E.g., 19, for one. It's easy to make others if you know a little math. Bruce Olson Old English, Irish and, Scots: popular songs, tunes, broadside ballads at my website (no advs-spam, etc)- www.erols.com/olsonw or click below A href="http://www.erols.com/olsonw" Click /a To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Fomula for determining a half step in MgHz...
Bruce Olson wrote: | (after I wrote) | So what's the big deal? The ratio of two notes a half step | apart is the 12th root of 2, or 1.0594631 to 8 places. Is | it any more complicated than that? | | That's what I said. | | There's more equal temperament scales than the 12 tone one. E.g., 19, | for one. It's easy to make others if you know a little math. Yes, indeed. I've heard some music written and performed using equal-tempered scales with other than 12 notes per octave. The sound is rather interesting, and it's obvious that other equal divisions are quite possible. To make the basic harmonic intervals possible, you'd probably want divisions that include ratios close to 2:3, 3:4 and 4:5, though if you're aiming at a sound like bells, you wouldn't even need this. But unless someone specifies some other division of the octave, it does seem reasonable to treat 12 as the default. The original question did mention half-steps. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Notes vs Frequencies (hertz)
Someone asked for a table of notes vs frequencies. There is such a table at URL: http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html "Richard L Walker"[EMAIL PROTECTED] Pensacola, FL 32504-7726 USA To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] to post or not to post?
| This brings to the forefront a very murky problem. I have | a (not so) large collection of tunes in ABC format (=100 :-). | While most are in the public domain, some are not. | For example, I have a version of Ashokan's Farewell written by | Jay Unger in 1983. | | Now (not so hypothetically), in the interest in promulgating | (my particular brand of) music, I typeset my tunes and take them | to the local music store and sell them with the proviso that all | profits go to help offset the cost of musical instrument rentals | to under-privilaged children (I encourage you all to do the | same). | The question is, have I violated J. Unger's copyright (and | Rounder's) | or not? Yes you have. No murkiness here at all. A few copies for personal use aren't going to raise many eyebrows. But selling printed copies like this is totally illegal just about anywhere in the world. It doesn't matter in the least that you are doing something that you consider worthwhile with the money. (And note that, by posting your message, you have publicly admitted that you know who composed this tune, so you'll have no defense. ;-) In this case, I happen to know that Jay's a nice guy, and if you ask, he'll almost certainly give you permission. So ask him. You might not be surprised to hear that his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] He's one of the organizers of the Ashokan dance camp. He and Molly also have a web site, at www.jayandmolly.com. (Hereabouts in New England there have been suggestions that we declare a 5-year moratorium on Ashokan Farewell. ;-) | In a similar vain, a lot of the tunes I originally learned from | "the book-o-fiddle-tunes": if the author does not receive credit, | have I broken the law? (or more exactly, an unwritten law?) You have certainly violated lots of written laws. Dunno about the unwritten ones, though. If you can show evidence that you did a reasonable search and couldn't learn anything about a tune, the courts have a history of being lenient when the actual owner sues. Publishers tend to be rather picky about doing a fairly thorough search for copyright owners. If you look in a lot of obvious places and can't find anything, it's common to have a disclaimer to the effect that the composer is unknown, and later editions often have an updated attribution (if the composer is found and permission given) or the tune is deleted with an explanation. This is the main reason that music books often come out several years after their planned publication date. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] small fragments?
The following didn't turn up any ABC at all. Anyone know about any of them, maybe a better URL to find the tunes? http://famdeboer.www.cistron.nl/bagpipe.html That one contains a ZIP file of bagpipe music auto-converted from Bagpipe Music Writer format. The notes are mostly there, but none of the tunes is usable without heavy editing. There is also some serious copyright violation going on (mostly for tunes that weren't worth ripping off in the first place), unless the transcriber has gone to a lot more work getting clearance than he says. === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
