Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
Frank Nordberg wrote: So John hasn't got my last message either then... It's a rather special document containing ABC transcriptions of a privately owned late 18th/ealry 19th Century tune book. Definitely not something you'll find mirrored all over the web. I got your first message, and sent Mark Fitzsimons' email address to John off-list. I got your repeat message, but not the message describing the document. It's been very quiet on the list for a while now - is that because it's summer/exam season or because a lot of messages have got lost? Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Frank Nordberg wrote: John Chambers wrote: | One document - http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/winder.html - with | 144 tunes is missing, though. Maybe I should post the tunes at Musica | Viva. Does anybody know anything about copyright laws for that kind of things? Probably not much different for you than for the original site, unless some of the tunes were written by the site's owner. So John hasn't got my last message either then... It's a rather special document containing ABC transcriptions of a privately owned late 18th/ealry 19th Century tune book. Definitely not something you'll find mirrored all over the web. I'm intrigued. There are Winders with manuscripts in Wyresdale, just down the way from Lancaster. Is this a copy of the one I typed up (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/Winder/Winder.abc) or a copy of the Village Music Project's more complete version of the earliest stuff, or is it a third thing (_was_ it. Damn. perhaps we'll never know) ? -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
Frank Nordberg writes: | So John hasn't got my last message either then... | | It's a rather special document containing ABC transcriptions of a | privately owned late 18th/ealry 19th Century tune book. Definitely not | something you'll find mirrored all over the web. Nope; I don't seem to have any such message. This sounds like something that might be better on your web site, with just the URL posted to the list. Do you know about the tradtunes list? To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] %%MIDI program/channel questions
Hello, Trying to have an organ on my PC computer, I have some questions about the %%MIDI pseudo-comments: - in abc2midi, the documentation says the MIDI program is in the range 1..128, while it seems to be in the range 0..127. Where is the truth? - setting the channel in the '%%MIDI program', does it also set the channel of the current voice, or does it set only the specified channel? Example: X:1 K:C V:1 %%MIDI program 1 12 %%MIDI program 2 0 ... V:2 ... (what are the channels of each voice, and what are their presets?) - my sound card accepts many MIDI banks. How could I specify them? One solution is to have 'program = (bank * 128) + preset', the other one is to have an extension of the '%%MIDI program' to include the bank as a prefix in the preset: %%MIDI program [channel] [bank-]program Example: %%MIDI program 1-12 - as I told above, I'm trying to have a pipe organ on my computer, and such instruments play many channels at the same time. Is there any problem to have many channels in the '%%MIDI channel' pseudo-comment? Example: X:1 ... % Jeux14.sf2 definitions %%MIDI program 1 0 % Montre 8 %%MIDI program 2 1 % Prestant 4 %%MIDI program 3 2 % Doublette 2 K:C V:1 %%MIDI channel 1 2 3 ... -- Ken ar c'hentañ | ** Breizh ha Linux atav! ** | http://moinejf.free.fr/ Pépé Jef|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (job) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc2midi - a useful mod.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a skrivas: [snip] I DO have the latest abcm2ps but have yet to look at it, as there are several other things (like non appearence of 5/8 time sigs.) which do not work in my existing version. Maybe fixed in the new one? If not, then I guess they will be :) I did not find such a problem. Do you have any example to send to me? -- Ken ar c'hentañ | ** Breizh ha Linux atav! ** | http://moinejf.free.fr/ Pépé Jef|mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (job) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] %%MIDI program/channel questions
Jean-Francois Moine wrote: Hello, Trying to have an organ on my PC computer, I have some questions about the %%MIDI pseudo-comments: - in abc2midi, the documentation says the MIDI program is in the range 1..128, while it seems to be in the range 0..127. Where is the truth? You're talking General midi here. The midi standard itself neithere specifies or limits the number of programs. Technically the General Midi programs are numbered 0-127, but many instruments and computer programs use the numbering 1-128 instead (or even 00-7F). You're definitwely not the only one who's confused about this ;-) There's a list of all the general midi programs at http://www.musicaviva.com/encyclopedia/g/general-midi.html Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
Richard Robinson wrote: I'm intrigued. There are Winders with manuscripts in Wyresdale, just down the way from Lancaster. Is this a copy of the one I typed up (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/Winder/Winder.abc)... That's the one. I didn't realize it came from you site, Richard. The way it was presented at the Geocities web site made it look like an original for that site. Anyways, seems there's no real problem after all then. Everything at the SoHo/9618/ site is present elsewhere on the web. ...or a copy of the Village Music Project's more complete version of the earliest stuff, actually it's a less complete copy, just 144 tunes while you have 147. or is it a third thing (_was_ it. Damn. perhaps we'll never know) Yes we do know. I have a copy of the entire page - even tried to post the damn thing at abcusers. --- John Chambers wrote: Nope; I don't seem to have any such message. This sounds like something that might be better on your web site, with just the URL posted to the list. Well it's not that important after all, since it turns out Richard's already got it. Do you know about the tradtunes list? No, I don't. Should I? Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Frank Nordberg wrote: Richard Robinson wrote: I'm intrigued. There are Winders with manuscripts in Wyresdale, just down the way from Lancaster. Is this a copy of the one I typed up (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/Winder/Winder.abc)... That's the one. I didn't realize it came from you site, Richard. The way it was presented at the Geocities web site made it look like an original for that site. Anyways, seems there's no real problem after all then. Everything at the SoHo/9618/ site is present elsewhere on the web. ...or a copy of the Village Music Project's more complete version of the earliest stuff, actually it's a less complete copy, just 144 tunes while you have 147. The usual unfortunate combination. Grab a copy, don't check for updates, and fail to attribute so that anybody who copies from that site can't check for themselves. It's several years since the last 3 tunes were added. -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:47:42 +0200 From: Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richard Robinson wrote: I'm intrigued. There are Winders with manuscripts in Wyresdale, just down the way from Lancaster. Is this a copy of the one I typed up (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/Winder/Winder.abc)... ...or a copy of the Village Music Project's more complete version of the earliest stuff, actually it's a less complete copy, just 144 tunes while you have 147. Oh bugger! I've lost three tunes! I'll go through the original manuscript and check. John Adams - Village Music Project http://www.performance.salford.ac.uk/research/vmp/index.htm To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:59:23 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.nz Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Frank Nordberg wrote: Richard Robinson wrote: I'm intrigued. There are Winders with manuscripts in Wyresdale, just down the way from Lancaster. Is this a copy of the one I typed up (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/Winder/Winder.abc)... That's the one. I didn't realize it came from you site, Richard. The way it was presented at the Geocities web site made it look like an original for that site. Anyways, seems there's no real problem after all then. Everything at the SoHo/9618/ site is present elsewhere on the web. ...or a copy of the Village Music Project's more complete version of the earliest stuff, actually it's a less complete copy, just 144 tunes while you have 147. The usual unfortunate combination. Grab a copy, don't check for updates, and fail to attribute so that anybody who copies from that site can't check for themselves. It's several years since the last 3 tunes were added. -- Richard Robinson I don't know what you mean by this - VMP hasn't grabbed anybody's copy - we work from originals only and I have copies of the originals here by my computer. Are we talking about John Winder (1789) or Edward and John Winder (1835-41)? John Adams - Village Music Project http://www.performance.salford.ac.uk/research/vmp/index.htm To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.
On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Johnny Adams wrote: On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Frank Nordberg wrote: Richard Robinson wrote: I'm intrigued. There are Winders with manuscripts in Wyresdale, just down the way from Lancaster. Is this a copy of the one I typed up (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/Winder/Winder.abc)... That's the one. I didn't realize it came from you site, Richard. The way it was presented at the Geocities web site made it look like an original for that site. Anyways, seems there's no real problem after all then. Everything at the SoHo/9618/ site is present elsewhere on the web. ...or a copy of the Village Music Project's more complete version of the earliest stuff, actually it's a less complete copy, just 144 tunes while you have 147. The usual unfortunate combination. Grab a copy, don't check for updates, and fail to attribute so that anybody who copies from that site can't check for themselves. It's several years since the last 3 tunes were added. I don't know what you mean by this - VMP hasn't grabbed anybody's copy - we work from originals only and I have copies of the originals here by my computer. Are we talking about John Winder (1789) or Edward and John Winder (1835-41)? No indeed, you haven't grabbed anything, and I'm sorry if what I said looked like I meant that. We were talking about a Geocities site that used to have a file winder.abc which has now gone missing; Frank was concerned that it might have been unique, that tunes might have disappeared from the 'net : but it looks as though it was a copy (old) of my file from the www.leeds.ac.uk site. [ re your other post - my copy of the VMP John Winder (1789) file has 53 tunes, have you added loads more ? ;) ] This update issue is beginning to annoy me. People occasionally ask if they can put up copies of my stuff, and from time to time I become aware that a lot more people are doing it without asking, and I've always taken the attitude that once I've put something up in public I can't control what happens, so why not just be cheerful about it ? But I wonder what it's all about, really. People seem to think they're doing the Web a service by making more copies available. Mirrors are good, yes, but a 5-year-old file with no clue as to where it came from, it seems to me, is likely to head people off from any updated version. Which isn't too helpful. I suppose what's bugging me is that, prompted by discussion here, the most recent update of my Tunebook (last autumn) included hrefs to the source site in every tune, so I'm noticing how many copies there are of previous versions, which don't include that. The cost of not getting it right first time :-/ -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] www.geocities.com/SoHo/9618/, www.celticmusic.co.
snip This update issue is beginning to annoy me. People occasionally ask if they can put up copies of my stuff, and from time to time I become aware that a lot more people are doing it without asking, and I've always taken the attitude that once I've put something up in public I can't control what happens, so why not just be cheerful about it ? But I wonder what it's all about, really. People seem to think they're doing the Web a service by making more copies available. Mirrors are good, yes, but a 5-year-old file with no clue as to where it came from, it seems to me, is likely to head people off from any updated version. Which isn't too helpful. I suppose what's bugging me is that, prompted by discussion here, the most recent update of my Tunebook (last autumn) included hrefs to the source site in every tune, so I'm noticing how many copies there are of previous versions, which don't include that. The cost of not getting it right first time :-/ -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem A lot of people, when asked about mirroring their sites, will have the requester put a link to the original site (sometimes with a graphic or button) stating that because of frequent updates a link is preferable. They also request the same from a mirror site if they find the site is mirroring without asking. Might be worth a try. Mickey -- Mickey E. Sadler, Dublin, Ohio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
