[abcusers] Digest #845?
Hi. Recently returned from a couple of weeks away. I read this list as the digest. It seems that Digest #845 does not appear in my in box. 844 was 14Feb and 846 was 18Feb. I have nothing in between. It's possible I accidentally deleted it along with all the spam that accumulated while I was away. I've been to the archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/abcusers%40argyll.wisemagic.com/ It is arranged by subject, not by date, so getting what I need there would be very cumbersome if not impossible. Anybody have a copy they can send me? Thanks. __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, N.Y. __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Digest #845?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Recently returned from a couple of weeks away. I read this list as the digest. It seems that Digest #845 does not appear in my in box. 844 was 14Feb and 846 was 18Feb. I have nothing in between. It's possible I accidentally deleted it along with all the spam that accumulated while I was away. I've been to the archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/abcusers%40argyll.wisemagic.com/ It is arranged by subject, not by date, so getting what I need there would be very cumbersome if not impossible. Anybody have a copy they can send me? Thanks. Have you tried the link 'date index' (top left, next to 'Earlier messages'), mate? Cheers, bert -- Bert Van Vreckem If Bill Gates had a penny for each time Windows crashed... Wait a minute! He does! To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] multi line footer in abcm2ps
Jean-Francois Moine wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:12:43 +0100, Atte =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9?= Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How to I achieve the subject? You should better ask it to me: there was no way, but now there is! (the same request was done last year by Luis Pablo Gasparotto, but it was more difficult at that time). Best regards. I've solved it by using a Perl script made by Christoph Dalitz. It's named pspage ( http://www.lautengesellschaft.de/cdmm/pspage )it's originally designed to number pages and works over the postscript files. I made some changes in order to add multi line footers. If you want I can send you an example. Regards, Luis Pablo Gasparotto ¡Internet GRATIS es Yahoo! Conexión! Usuario "yahoo", contraseña "yahoo". Desde Buenos Aires, 4004-1010. Otras ciudades: http://conexion.yahoo.com.ar/avanzados.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Digest #845?
If you can't find it, I'll pull it off the server and email it to you manually. Toby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Recently returned from a couple of weeks away. I read this list as the digest. It seems that Digest #845 does not appear in my in box. 844 was 14Feb and 846 was 18Feb. I have nothing in between. It's possible I accidentally deleted it along with all the spam that accumulated while I was away. I've been to the archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/abcusers%40argyll.wisemagic.com/ It is arranged by subject, not by date, so getting what I need there would be very cumbersome if not impossible. Anybody have a copy they can send me? Thanks. Have you tried the link 'date index' (top left, next to 'Earlier messages'), mate? Cheers, bert -- Bert Van Vreckem If Bill Gates had a penny for each time Windows crashed... Wait a minute! He does! To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Toby Rider ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) IMHO this is a wholly unacceptable piece of equipment to play music with. The real question is, whether it is more functional as a piece of furniture, cigarette holder, or dart board? - Anonymous musicial instrument reviewer Toby Rider's Understated Homepage: http://www.blackmill.net/toby_rider/ To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Multiple Endings
I'm having problems getting the variant ending feature to work for me. This works for 1 and 2 being different: AA,2A, B,2C |1DD3 z3 :||2 DD6 |] But I can't seem to find a way to indicate 1-3 are the same with 4 being different. I've tried encapsulating it in quotes, brackets, parentheses... Am I missing something, or is the ABC standard missing something? Thanks for any and all help. ___ Steven K. Mariner [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~marinersk/ To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] character encoding in abcm2ps
Hello All, I am wrinting to let those interested know what the solution to properly displaying the Hungarian specific characters bacame. After trying a few things I was suggested to do (thank you Eric and Jean-Franois, and thank you Kroly for the alternatives), I simply replaced my existing set of fonts of ghostscript with the ones curranetly available at http://download.sourceforge.net/gs-fonts/ghostscript-fonts-std-6.0.tar.gz, and, bingo!, the file created with abcm2ps now displayes beautifully. All the *hungarumlaut characters show up correctly (iso-8859-2) :^) Along this search I took a look inside an postscript file created with a2ps, and realised that the way a2ps is redefining the character sets from those standard ones might be the most flexible solution for internationalization. In other words, the Ogonkify project is really great. As such, I would like to ask the ABC community if it would be possible/feasible to embrace it and implement it in abcm2ps and abc2ps. Thank you All, Tibor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Digest #845?
Bert Van Vreckem quoted David Barnert as saying Recently returned from a couple of weeks away. I read this list as the digest. It seems that Digest #845 does not appear in my in box. 844 was 14Feb and 846 was 18Feb. I have nothing in between. It's possible I accidentally deleted it along with all the spam that accumulated while I was away. I've been to the archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/abcusers%40argyll.wisemagic.com/ I receive messages individually, but recently have noticed some going missing. For example, on Mon 24 Feb 03 I sent a message to this list as part of the Name that tune (in tune-finder)? thread. It appears in the archive, but I haven't received it as a subscriber. I didn't receive David Barnert's message quoted above, either. Are we talking about symptoms of a common problem, perhaps? Thomas Bending To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Multiple Endings
| I'm having problems getting the variant ending feature to work for me. | This works for 1 and 2 being different: | | AA,2A, B,2C |1DD3 z3 :||2 DD6 |] | | But I can't seem to find a way to indicate 1-3 are the same with 4 being | different. I've tried encapsulating it in quotes, brackets, parentheses... | | Am I missing something, or is the ABC standard missing something? What you're missing is that the ABC standard is very sketchy here, and what you want isn't very widely implemented. Most abc software implements only first and second endings. It turns out that the abc standard doesn't say what endings software must handle. It just says that the ending notation exists, and gives one example that has a first and second ending. Most implementers have taken this to mean that they don't need to implement anything else. Indeed, in traditional folk music of the British Isles (which was abc's first uses), you don't see many alternate endings at all, and you'll search long and hard for a third or fourth ending. So people working with that sort of music don't notice that there's something missing. Since I'm also involved with styles like trad Scandinavian music (How can you possibly write music without using 3rd and 4th endings?), I made my own clone of abc2ps (jcabc2ps) which implements endings like |1,3 and |1-3 and so on. I can even do random text in endings, though that's a different story and is probably worth trying to get some standards on. One problem with my doing this, of course, is that my Scand tunes tend to come out with the endings wrong when you feed them to other abc tools. But there's not much I can do about that. And when we've discussed the topic in the past, it's pretty obvious that the overwhelming majority consider the subject boring. Who the hell needs THAT? Let's discuss something interesting instead. I wonder what other abc tools implement |1,3 and |1-3 now? Does any tool implement any endings beyond this? One thing I can write is: ... :|[Coda ... |] To be unambiguous, you would need to use the full syntax here, with the bracket, so that the quoted ending text isn't mistaken for a chord. But it's sufficient to handle all the cases that I know of, and easy for a program to parse. I'd have to warn users that this is an extension of the abc syntax, not supported by any standard that I know of, so it probably won't make sense to other abc tools. One of the things that perhaps qualifies as broken in current abc is that you often see the notation |: ... |1 ... :|2 ... :| This prints out just like you'd expect, with a repeat symbol before the 2nd ending and also at the end of the section. This is often used as a kludge to hint that the section should be played four times, because this is actually accepted by most abc software. But it produces a real musical disaster when you put the music on stands before a group of musicians. Half the group will notice that final repeat and go back for the 3rd time through the phrase. The other half will either not notice it, or will treat it as an obvious typo (because the ending brackets clearly say that the phrase is to be done exactly twice), and will barge ahead. The music then collapses on the floor and you have to stop and explain that, yes, this is atrocious notation, but it's all that the software will permit. This example really should be: |: ... |1,3 ... :|2,4 ... :| Unfortunately, very few abc programs accept this. It's not an actual violation of the standard. But the standard doesn't say that abc programs have to handle this, so most don't. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Multiple Endings
Steven K. Mariner wrote: I'm having problems getting the variant ending feature to work for me. This works for 1 and 2 being different: AA,2A, B,2C |1DD3 z3 :||2 DD6 |] Your program should have flagged :|| as an error - the correct symbol for a repeat bar is :| But I can't seem to find a way to indicate 1-3 are the same with 4 being different. I've tried encapsulating it in quotes, brackets, parentheses... Am I missing something, or is the ABC standard missing something? John Chambers has proposed a series of extensions to handle this, and I tried to implement them in my own program. It turned out to be a nightmare to get it working in the player. Eventually I got frustrated with it and pulled all the code. As far as I know, only John's abc2ps clone implements this, and no player programs. This is what the standard says: First and second repeats First and second repeats can be generated with the symbols [1 and [2, e.g. faf gfe|[1 dfe dBA:|[2 d2e dcB|]. When adjacent to bar lines, these can be shortened to |1 and :|2, but with regard to spaces | [1 is legal, | 1 is not. No mention of more than two endings. As things stand at present the only way you can do it so it will be universally understood is to use the part-order syntax. Put this in the tune header: P:(AB)3AC then write the tune like this: [P:A] AA,2A, B,2C |[P:B]DD3 z3 ||[P:C] DD6 |] Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] tricky tuplet layout problem
I don't think we have a solution to this one... I've been transcribing a piece of piano music which has a passage in sextuplets where the first note is taken on one hand and the rest on the other (indicated by differing stem directions), both parts are in the same staff). I can code that in ABC using BarFly's voice layout control: In the header: V:1 up V:2 merge down In the tune: V:1 ... (6:4:xCFAFC ... V:2 ... (6:4:A,x ... Which gives me what's in the original score, EXCEPT that the program produces two -- 6 -- tuplet bars and places them so they overlap. The placement issue might be soluble given layout heuristics better than what BarFly has currently got, but it would be better if I had a way to suppress one of the tuplet bars. How could this be expressed? What I eventually went for was V:1 ... (6:4:xCFAFC ... V:2 ... A,xxx ... which got rid of the overlap, and is in fact what the composer wrote, but was obviously not what he meant. In this instance, where the music is very fast and the tuplets are broken chords, the difference is inaudible; in a slow passage where the notes didn't stack to form consonant chords, it might not be. === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] multi line footer in abcm2ps
On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 00:31:53 + Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where should it go? Traditionally the composer is placed on the top right side of the first page. At least *not* every page... On the other hand if that's what the publisher wants to do, why not? But what if it's not? Let the user decide, *or* supply a default that's meaningful. Basically I would prefer (going back the the org topic) that multiple %%footer's would simply generate multiple footer lines, just like C: normally does. -- peace, love harmony Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
