Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help!
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:33:13 -0700, Andrew T. Lenz, Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone!
Hello Andrew,
ISSUE 1:
PROBLEM: triplets in the first line. The first one works fine, that is,
it places a 3 above the arch, the second, however, the 3 appears
over the ef gracenotes! (Seems buggy to me.)
We don't want the number UNDER the triplets.
Is there a better way of getting numbers over the triplets?
Odd: your example works fine with both 3.7.18 and 4.6.5.
Otherwise, actually, you cannot force the the tuplet numbers to go
above the notes. Some day, I will add an other tuplet option...
ISSUE 2:
PROBLEM: Bar linking 1/16th notes is split.
{g}f/e/{g}c/{d}A/
[snip]
In other words, BarFly draws all four notes with a double line (1/16) in
the backbone of the beam, and draws an extra line between the middle two
notes to indicate that they're 1/32. abcm2ps draws a single line
through all four, a double line for the outer pairs and two little flags
pointing outwards on the middle notes.
Is there a way to get abcm2ps to do it the Barfly way, which we think is
more readable?
As there is no ABC indication for beaming, each programmer codes the
best she thinks. In this case, I had remarks saying that, as the tempo
is binary, beaming should stop on binary borders (this not easy to do,
and not fully solved yet..).
If you don't like it, with the versions 4.x.x you may disable beam
breaking using:
%%halfbeam 0
ISSUE 3:
[snip]
| ^2nd Time 2nd Part {g}f2 {g}ef {g}fA{g}df |
[snip]
PROBLEM: The added text 2nd Time 2nd Part doesn't appear in the
generated Postscript file. I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be
supported by abcm2ps, but maybe I'm wrong.
This is a bug in the 3.x.x versions: the annotations go to the grace
note instead of to the main note. To make it work, place the grace note
before the annotation:
| {g} ^2nd Time 2nd Part f2 {g}ef {g}fA{g}df |
This is fixed in the 4.x.x versions.
ISSUE 4:
Given a series of three gracenotes, is it possible to make the center
gracenote be appear as a 16th note instead of the standard 32nd?
Yes: '{ab2c}'.
Regards.
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Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help! Profanity.
I'm going to top post _AND_ snip for those of you who hate that, as it's a slightly different thread. Hey Andrew, this is off topic, but I thought you might like a heads up if you're in the same position I was in... After reading hearing the word in so many different contexts, I'd started using it casually, thinking it was the equivalent of 'damn', or some such. Indeed it seemed thrown around in such a way that I figured it could not possibly be offensive to anybody. I then later in life missed a chord in my folk guitar class in college and let it slip under my breath... My Australian teacher made it clear to me that the word has all the same meanings and connotations as the f word, both in her home of Australia, and also in other places sharing the same common vocabularies. I had thought it a word one could use in casual conversation, and found out that some find it quite offensive. Oh well, it was my bad... just thought you might like to know, in case you get into a situation where it really matters, and offend someone you didn't mean to, or didn't want to offend. //Christian M. Cepel Andrew Lenz, Jr. wrote: Bugger. I'm now wondering if it might change with the default note length. Probably shouldn't, but I could try and see. Thanks! Andrew Andrew T. Lenz, Jr. www.BagpipeJourney.com Santa Cruz, California U.S.A. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- || Christian Marcus Cepel | And the wrens have returned [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq:12384980 | are nesting; In the hollow of 371 Crown Point, Columbia, MO| that oak where his heart once 65203-2202 573.999.2370 | had been; And he lifts up his Computer Support Specialist, Sr. | arms in a blessing; For being University of Missouri-Columbia | born again. --Rich Mullins To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Copyright Issues addressed (fwd)
This is groovy, but I'm a mite confused by the following... It seems contradictory to my small brain, but prolly is not Could you help me to understand? Perhaps I need to paste earlier rows as well... but these were the ones that troubled me. Unpublished works created before 1978 that were published before 1 January 2003 Life of the author + 70 years or 31 December 2047, whichever is greater Nothing. The soonest the works can enter the public domain is 1 January 2048 Unpublished works created before 1978 that were published after 31 December 2002 Life of the author + 70 years Works of authors who died before 1934. I. Oppenheim wrote: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:00:02 -0400 From: George Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Copyright Issues addressed Pardon the cross-listing but since questions about copyright come up frequently on this list, I thought I'd direct your attention to this: Copyright Term and the Public Domain in the United States http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/Hirtle_Public_Domain.htm A reference chart to help you to determine the copyright status of a given work Best, g -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org/ a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ To unsubscribe email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and have your message read: unsubscribe jewish-music -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- || Christian Marcus Cepel | And the wrens have returned [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq:12384980 | are nesting; In the hollow of 371 Crown Point, Columbia, MO| that oak where his heart once 65203-2202 573.999.2370 | had been; And he lifts up his Computer Support Specialist, Sr. | arms in a blessing; For being University of Missouri-Columbia | born again. --Rich Mullins To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Copyright Issues addressed (fwd)
If left up to Sonny Bono and the RIAA there would be no public domain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian M. Cepel Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [abcusers] Copyright Issues addressed (fwd) This is groovy, but I'm a mite confused by the following... It seems contradictory to my small brain, but prolly is not Could you help me to understand? Perhaps I need to paste earlier rows as well... but these were the ones that troubled me. Unpublished works created before 1978 that were published before 1 January 2003Life of the author + 70 years or 31 December 2047, whichever is greaterNothing. The soonest the works can enter the public domain is 1 January 2048 Unpublished works created before 1978 that were published after 31 December 2002 Life of the author + 70 years Works of authors who died before 1934. I. Oppenheim wrote: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:00:02 -0400 From: George Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Copyright Issues addressed Pardon the cross-listing but since questions about copyright come up frequently on this list, I thought I'd direct your attention to this: Copyright Term and the Public Domain in the United States http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/Hirtle_Public_Dom ain.htm A reference chart to help you to determine the copyright status of a given work Best, g -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org/ a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ To unsubscribe email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and have your message read: unsubscribe jewish-music -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- || Christian Marcus Cepel | And the wrens have returned [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq:12384980 | are nesting; In the hollow of 371 Crown Point, Columbia, MO| that oak where his heart once 65203-2202 573.999.2370 | had been; And he lifts up his Computer Support Specialist, Sr. | arms in a blessing; For being University of Missouri-Columbia | born again. --Rich Mullins To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help! Profanity.
Well coming from England I'd have to say that I've never thought that it was anywhere near as bad as the 'f' word. Yes I do know what the word refers to and so it would make sense for it to be just as offensive, but I never found it to be the case in either Birmingham or London when I lived there. Now, as a Brit living in America I've become very away of how we gauge the depth of swearing based on the expectation of the listener. Back home I could say something and not have to guess about how it might be interpreted, over here I've become much more aware of what will and won't be understood as I intended. Most Americans that I've been exposed to, seem to think that saying the B word simply marks me as one of those weird Brits, and I guess that is the case whenever one uses slang that isn't commonly used by the majority of listeners. For example, what happens when an Australian asks for a roll of Durex in an English shop, or a Brit asks for a fag in San Fransisco. Oh what fun, it's bad enough when they use completely different names for things, but when the same name has such completely different meanings, well you get the idea. As an aside, since the meaning of the work is merely crude rather than blasphemous, i believe that it would count as swearing rather than profanity :) Sorry for the endless stream of blurb, but I really find this sort of thing very interesting :) Guy Andrew Lenz, Jr. wrote: Christian, I then later in life missed a chord in my folk guitar class in college and let it slip under my breath... My Australian teacher made it clear to me that the word has all the same meanings and connotations as the f word, both in her home of Australia, and also in other places sharing the same common vocabularies. Wow. Good to know. I thought, what I know now, to be the B (Australian B word) was equivalent to fooey. I stand corrected! Yipe! Andrew To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html . To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help! Profanity.
You're exactly right in that it's in the 'hearer' that the distinction is drawn. I was taught by one friend and native Hindi speaker to jokingly call people 'pagel' or 'pagelpan' to call them crazy, and the same by a Taiwanese speaking friend to call someone 'san-ba' for the same purpose (it's pure Taiwanese, so those who are trying to make sense of it in Mandarin... it is what it says it just makes sense to them), and by a Korean friend to say 'michin'... For every single phrase, which I was told was completely innocuous, I've said it 'around' not 'to' a different native speaker, and had them react in absolute horror and shock at my profanity The people who taught me, were not disingenuous, quite the opposite, and they were quite surprised when I told them of my plight. Now.. I'm not going to tell the story of the Japanese business man who was told to thank the Russian businessmen around the conference table at the end of his presentation by saying 'igo nahooey'. :) //Christian M. Cepel Guy Gascoigne - Piggford wrote: Well coming from England I'd have to say that I've never thought that it was anywhere near as bad as the 'f' word. Yes I do know what the word refers to and so it would make sense for it to be just as offensive, but I never found it to be the case in either Birmingham or London when I lived there. Now, as a Brit living in America I've become very away of how we gauge the depth of swearing based on the expectation of the listener. Back home I could say something and not have to guess about how it might be interpreted, over here I've become much more aware of what will and won't be understood as I intended. Most Americans that I've been exposed to, seem to think that saying the B word simply marks me as one of those weird Brits, and I guess that is the case whenever one uses slang that isn't commonly used by the majority of listeners. For example, what happens when an Australian asks for a roll of Durex in an English shop, or a Brit asks for a fag in San Fransisco. Oh what fun, it's bad enough when they use completely different names for things, but when the same name has such completely different meanings, well you get the idea. As an aside, since the meaning of the work is merely crude rather than blasphemous, i believe that it would count as swearing rather than profanity :) Sorry for the endless stream of blurb, but I really find this sort of thing very interesting :) Guy Andrew Lenz, Jr. wrote: Christian, I then later in life missed a chord in my folk guitar class in college and let it slip under my breath... My Australian teacher made it clear to me that the word has all the same meanings and connotations as the f word, both in her home of Australia, and also in other places sharing the same common vocabularies. Wow. Good to know. I thought, what I know now, to be the B (Australian B word) was equivalent to fooey. I stand corrected! Yipe! Andrew To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html . To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- || Christian Marcus Cepel | And the wrens have returned [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq:12384980 | are nesting; In the hollow of 371 Crown Point, Columbia, MO| that oak where his heart once 65203-2202 573.999.2370 | had been; And he lifts up his Computer Support Specialist, Sr. | arms in a blessing; For being University of Missouri-Columbia | born again. --Rich Mullins To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Issues with abcm2ps---help!
Jean-Francois,
First off, thanks for a great program!! Hats off to you!
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Jean-Francois Moine wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:33:13 -0700, Andrew T. Lenz, Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone!
Hello Andrew,
ISSUE 1:
PROBLEM: triplets in the first line. The first one works fine, that is,
it places a 3 above the arch, the second, however, the 3 appears
over the ef gracenotes! (Seems buggy to me.)
We don't want the number UNDER the triplets.
Is there a better way of getting numbers over the triplets?
Odd: your example works fine with both 3.7.18 and 4.6.5.
Otherwise, actually, you cannot force the the tuplet numbers to go
above the notes. Some day, I will add an other tuplet option...
I have to apologize. I still had 3.7.9 installed. I must be getting old. I
thought I had downloaded 3.7.18, but must have skipped that step. Oops. I
imagine it should work correctly with 3.7.18.
ISSUE 2:
PROBLEM: Bar linking 1/16th notes is split.
{g}f/e/{g}c/{d}A/
[snip]
In other words, BarFly draws all four notes with a double line (1/16) in
the backbone of the beam, and draws an extra line between the middle two
notes to indicate that they're 1/32. abcm2ps draws a single line
through all four, a double line for the outer pairs and two little flags
pointing outwards on the middle notes.
Is there a way to get abcm2ps to do it the Barfly way, which we think is
more readable?
As there is no ABC indication for beaming, each programmer codes the
best she thinks. In this case, I had remarks saying that, as the tempo
is binary, beaming should stop on binary borders (this not easy to do,
and not fully solved yet..).
If you don't like it, with the versions 4.x.x you may disable beam
breaking using:
%%halfbeam 0
Any chance of an appearance like that of Barfly's screen display? Maybe as
Ewan said, a %%centerbeam option? Or maybe that's what you are eluding
to above.
ISSUE 3:
[snip]
| ^2nd Time 2nd Part {g}f2 {g}ef {g}fA{g}df |
[snip]
PROBLEM: The added text 2nd Time 2nd Part doesn't appear in the
generated Postscript file. I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be
supported by abcm2ps, but maybe I'm wrong.
This is a bug in the 3.x.x versions: the annotations go to the grace
note instead of to the main note. To make it work, place the grace note
before the annotation:
| {g} ^2nd Time 2nd Part f2 {g}ef {g}fA{g}df |
This is fixed in the 4.x.x versions.
I'll give that a shot, should get around the problem.
ISSUE 4:
Given a series of three gracenotes, is it possible to make the center
gracenote be appear as a 16th note instead of the standard 32nd?
Yes: '{ab2c}'.
Thank you for implementing that.
Andrew
Andrew T. Lenz, Jr.
Santa Cruz, California
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