Re: [abcusers] unsubscribe
Farley, Benoit wrote: Dear members of the list, I have asked several times to be unsubscribed, and I'm still receiving messages. I was suggested to contact the owner of the list, which I did, but he didn't care replying. I am fed up. SO, starting at the beginning of August, when I return from holidays, and unless I have been removed from the list, every message arriving in my mailbox from this list will be returned to the sender, which means, to the particular who sent the message. I'm sorry to come to this, but I'm not given any other choice. I want to be removed from this list. Is that clear? Farley To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html And what do you intend to accomplish by doing that? We can't unsubscribe you, and it's not our fault you are still getting these emails. I understand your frustration, but those of us who simply subscribe, like you, can't help you. Is *that* clear? Ricfk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] unsubscribe
Farley, Benoit wrote: I'm really sorry. What I'm trying to accomplish is this: since my individual requests are not heard, maybe more pressure will work, so when the members are as fed up as I am, maybe the pressure will be sufficient to make the owner move. I understand you can't agree with this, but where is the owner first of all? He's supposed to be RESPONSIBLE. But, he's not responsible. If he was responsible, you would have been unsubscribed long ago when you first asked. ;-) Rick To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] iabc, and features expected in softwares in general
Laura Conrad wrote: laurie == laurie griffiths Laurie writes: laurie Why does transposition need to understand the mode? Currently, the abc2midi transposer only understands the key signature. So if I have a piece in D dorian, and I transpose it up 3 half notes, the transposed output is in Ab. It should be in F dorian. Exactly. Is abc2abc part of abc2midi? That's what I use to transpose tunes, anyway, and whenever I have a tune in a mode, it always puts in the abc file the major key associated with the key signature of the mode the original was in, and I always have to go in and manually change it. Very irritating. Is it really that hard to simply change the key or mode letter in the key signature up or down the correct number of half-steps like it does for guitar chords? Seems like it's just a text filed for the transposer sw, and it could be treated the same way. I had thought about writing a standalone transposer, but found I like playing the music more than writing sw for it. ;-) Rick To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] iabc, and features expected in softwares in general
Laura Conrad wrote: laurie == laurie griffiths Laurie writes: laurie Why does transposition need to understand the mode? Currently, the abc2midi transposer only understands the key signature. So if I have a piece in D dorian, and I transpose it up 3 half notes, the transposed output is in Ab. It should be in F dorian. And after writing my last comment, I realized that this is abc2midi, and midi may care more about the sharps and flats in a key signature than the actual name of the key or mode, so that's why it's written that way, but when it's also used for making a new abc file, it really needs to keep the mode right. In trying to transmit folk music to others, it's hard enough to help people to learn how to think in modes rather than only major and minor in learning backup and chording without having transposing sw doing it wrong in the abc files. ;-) Rick To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing
Richard Robinson wrote: The newer PNG format is just as good, and free, but not yet as popular. Why? For exactly one reason: browsers (the big one esp) were not supporting png until recently. And since one must expect quite a few users to still be using their 4.0 or 5.0 browsers it's still not safe to use png on web pages. Sad, since png is superior to gif in all ways Yes. I thought of switching the images in my Tunebook over to png a couple of years ago, but a little bit of checking and asking around convinced me that there were just too many browsers that wouldn't do it. Newer versions might, but that doesn't mean older ones have disappeared. For Linux, the latest Netscape I could get (the last time I checked) was 4.51 or something like that, and I don't think it does PNG yet. And on my laptop, on which I run Windoze 98, I got a later version of Netscape and hated what they'd done to it, so I still use a 4.xx version there, too. Rick To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Guitar chord and ending spacing in acb2ps
Hi. I am putting a tune I wrote into abc, and when I run it through abc2ps, then look at it in Ghostview, the guitar chords and endings are either overlapping or crowded. I thought I had seen something about increasing the space between guitar chords and endings, but I can't find anything about it in what I have here. Would someone please tell me how to give more space between the guitar chords and ending lines/numbers in abc2ps? Thanks. Rick To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing
Laura Conrad wrote: Rick == Rick Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rick For Linux, the latest Netscape I could get (the last time I Rick checked) was 4.51 or something like that, and I don't think Rick it does PNG yet. I think it does; I think all Netscape 4.x does png. I'm running 4.73, and it certainly does. Hmm. I 'll have to try it again. Thanks. Rick To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Percussion notation...
All are using regular five-note systems with percussion clef (the official term for the rectangular box replacing the clef). All examples rely on a key to define what notes are where, all though standards more or less include snare on c, hihats and cymbals high and low the stuff being played by the feet (bassdrumm and foot hihat). Pretty much what I'm used to seeing. What's needed to implement this in abc is just the special noteheads + the precussion clef. Yep. I asked the guy who supplied me with this about the single line system, and he said that he couldn't think of any serious application for that. He agreed that sometimes you just wanna write really simplified percussion stuff, but that that would normally be notated as the above examples. Yep. Having those symbols in abc would be nice for showing any percussion part. Rick To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Action against spam, was: KAMPANYALARINIZ iCiN, MUHTESEM KAMPANYA.!!-
From: Ray Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [abcusers] Action against spam, was: KAMPANYALARINIZ iCiN, MUHTESEM KAMPANYA.!!- Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:07:33 +0100 Yes, please stop the spam. Thanks Ray Davies == My home email is acting up, so I'm emailing from work, but I agree. Only allow subscribers to post to the list. Rick -- Rick Davis Succession Patch Development Dept. JD60 NC0, 2H17 Phone: NC0 Office: ESN 6+35+58413 ; 919-905-8413 Home Office: 919-782-9752 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Important Notice about keeping your ICQ account active.
Does anyone know what this is about? When I look back at the email Igot when I subscribed to this list, I find nothing resembling what they ask for. Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear ICQ user, The ICQ Inc. is refreshing its databases to delete the inactive accounts. Please fill in your ICQ# and your Password and then submit this form by clicking the Send button. This is everything that you have to do to keep your account active. Don't reply to this mail. After your submission you will be forwarded to our homepage and will be able to read the latest news about ICQ Inc. Unless you confirm us that you are using your ICQ legally by filling the empty spaces, you won't be able to use your ICQ account after our refreshing is over. With best regards ICQ Inc. ICQ# : Password : [Important Notice of Terms of Service] ICQ.com | Find Friends | Search | What Is ICQ | Download ICQ | ICQmail | ICQ Tutorials | Tech Support | Site Guide User Feedback Comments | Community | ICQ Tools | Power User Zone | People Navigator | Networks | Site News Copyright ©1998-2001 ICQ Inc. All Rights Reserved To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Important Notice about keeping your ICQ account active.
Thanks for all the responses. That's what it seemed like, but I didn't want to delete it before finding out. Thanks. Now, to delete the email. I really dislike AOL anyway. :-)) Rick John Chambers wrote: It looks like spam to me. ICQ.com is a real company with a web site, so you can check it out. Probably what they're doing is trying to trick people into signing up for their service. If you make the mistake of thinking that this has something to do with abcusers, and send back the form, you will be a member of ICQ.com's service. That's probably fine, if you want to be a member. But it's a rather underhanded way of getting people to sign up. | Does anyone know what this is about? When I look back at the email Igot when I | subscribed to this list, I find nothing resembling what they ask for. | | Rick | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Dear ICQ user, | | The ICQ Inc. is refreshing its databases to delete the inactive accounts. | Please fill in your ICQ# and your Password and then submit this form by | clicking the Send button. This is everything that you have to do to keep your | account active. Don't reply to this mail. After your submission you will be | forwarded to our homepage and will be able to read the latest news about ICQ | Inc. Unless you confirm us that you are using your ICQ legally by filling the | empty spaces, you won't be able to use your ICQ account after our refreshing | is over. | | With best regards ICQ Inc. | | | | ICQ# : |Password | : | [Important Notice of Terms of Service] | | ICQ.com | Find Friends | Search | What Is ICQ | Download ICQ | ICQmail | ICQ Tutorials | Tech Support | Site Guide |User Feedback Comments | Community | ICQ Tools | Power User Zone | People Navigator | Networks | Site News | | Copyright ©1998-2001 ICQ Inc. All Rights Reserved | | To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: | http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html | | To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] ties and accidentals
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, John Chambers wrote: Most musicians don't understand the distinction between a tie and a slur. So you may speculate, but I doubt you have any quantifiable evidence to back that up. So, to start quantifying it, I *do* know the difference. You could argue that there isn't really a distinction. ...snip... What a slur really means is that the passage should be played legato. This does not preclude any and all articulation (see the first example I gave). On the contrary, it is actually quite common to find articulation marks *within* slurs. It's really the ABC representation that's misleading, implying that ties and slurs are different things. It would be better for ABC to officially go along with the usual musical convention, and just say that the tie notation is shorthand for a two-note slur, and for identical notes, causes them to merge into a single long note. According to whom, exactly, is this the usual musical convention? This is how ties are implemented in a lot of software already, and it's a very useful way to do it. It's also wrong. Implementing ties and slurs this way makes it impossible for the computer to distinguish between the first two examples I gave. The computer would play them both identically. And how would it handle something like this, I wonder: L:1/8 M:C K:Db z2 (.A z .B z .d z | .e z .f z .e z .B) z | d2 z2 z4 | It's nearly impossible for me to dumb down ABC. If you subscribe to some of the musical mailing lists that use ABC, you'll quickly see what I mean. The quality of much of the posted ABC is abysmally low, and dumb syntax errors are rife. What I meant was that the standard should not be changed so that dumb syntax errors become correct. And I would consider notating an F sharp slurred to an F natural with ^F-|F to be just such an error. The day the standard endorses garbage like this is the day I stop using ABC. John I'll have to say I agree with John. His explanation of these things certainly agrees with what I have been taught and learned over the last 40+ years here in the States. I would have to say that, for me, this is the usual musical convention. So, as a user of ABC, and not a developer, I would say the answer to this is simple - ABC ain't broke - don't fix it! -- = = No matter how I feel, God is worthy of my praise. = = May the peace of the Father, and the love of the Son, and the power of the Holy Spirit encircle and enfold you, and keep you this day. Rick My opinions are my own, and, unfortunately, not those of the rest of society. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] A question about converting abc2ps output ps to pdf
Laura Conrad wrote: Rick == Rick Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rick My question is - when I take the ps output of abc2ps and run Rick it through ps2pdf, the resulting pdf makes the first and Rick second ending bars into closed rectangles, the bottom part Rick of which runs straight through the chords I have there. Rick Have any of you ever run into this, and if so, did you find Rick a way around it? Yes, I've seen this. I think it means you're running an old version of ghostscript. Try upgrading and see if it helps. Thanks. I am running 5.10, so it seems that is an old version since they are at at least 6.52 for GPL version now. Now I just have to see if that means I have to upgrade from Red Hat 6.0, too. ;-) Thanks. Rick My opinions are my own, and, unfortunately, not those of the rest of society. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] square bracket notation
Aaron,
Where I have run into this is exactly where your example uses it, for first and second
endings that start a line.
[1 Add fdd|add fdd|fdB AGF|GEF GF:|!
[2 afa bgb|afa gfe|fdB AGF|GEF GF|]!
If you try to put the {1} or {2} at the start of a line without the {[}, I know abc2ps
doesn't like it when I run it on the file. If you put the {[} first, it does fine.
I have abc2win, but since I use my Linux machine more than the Windoze machine, I don't
use abc2win as much, and have not noticed how it handles it.
That's the best explanation I can come up with from my use of abc. Maybe someone else
can point you to a more technical explanation.
--
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= No matter how I feel, God is worthy of my praise. =
=
May the peace of the Father,
and the love of the Son,
and the power of the Holy Spirit
encircle and enfold you,
and keep you this day.
Rick
My opinions are my own, and, unfortunately,
not those of the rest of society.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I downloaded a few files off the internet to test my parser. I think I
understand everything that I see in the abc notation except for one thing:
there are some lines that seem to start with a square bracket ([) but there
is no closing bracket and it doesn't seem to be part of a chord. What's this
supposed to do, and which tool supports it?
Thanks,
Aaron
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Re: [abcusers] square bracket notation
Frank Nordberg wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded a few files off the internet to test my parser. I think I understand everything that I see in the abc notation except for one thing: there are some lines that seem to start with a square bracket ([) but there is no closing bracket and it doesn't seem to be part of a chord. What's this supposed to do, and which tool supports it? It's first and second repeat endings - pretty standard ABC, really, although it seems most people leave the square bracket in front of the numbers out nowadays. Your example raises another old abc notation question, btw. The exclamation marks at the line ends is, as far as I understand it, a abcwin peculiarity and not really common abc. Please don't start arguing whether it ought to be a part of the standard or not - that train left the station years ago. But it'd be interesting to know which applications accept this notation, which ones require it and which choke on it. Frank Nordberg http://www.musicaviva.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html I use it and abc2ps seems to handle it just fine. -- Rick Davis My opinions are my own, and, unfortunately, not those of the rest of society. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
