[abcusers] Macmidi2abc
I just got this e mail from a visitor. Hi I found a reference to this useful sounding program in your abc application index, however the URL doesn't work. Have you any way of finding it? It seems the macmidi2abc site ( http://www.dr-razz.com/midi2abc/ ) has disappeared. Does anybpdy know anything about it? Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] MacMIDI2abc
Phil said: "I don't think most users appreciate the difficulty of the task of getting notatable music out of MIDI files. " Oh, I do, I do! Muse will have a go at this but I am currently working on improving it (because a customer sent in a bug report and it's one of those things that every time you look at it you realise how inadequate whatever you do is). Tempo following is my current thing - if the music does an accelerando you should NOT notate it as progressively shorter and shorter notes, but should follow the performance. Some people have a tendency to play short notes too short and so speed up every time there's a string of 16th notes - again, one should recognise this and handle it. Laurie To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] MacMIDI2abc
Phil Taylor wrote: I don't think most users appreciate the difficulty of the task of getting notatable music out of MIDI files. The MIDI format was designed to hold music to be _played_, and basically consists of a list of pitches and times. There is space for tempo, key, and a flag for major/minor (but no other modes), but even these fields are often left empty. If a MIDI notation program is to put in barlines, a real key signature, notate repeats etc. then those things all have to be figured out starting from the bare list of pitches and times. FYI time signatures are included in the Midi standard. And you can tell midi2abc to extract time sig. from the file. Unfortunately this is one of the options that doesn't work yet non the new macmidi2abc port. (Come to think of it, I never got it to work with the *old* macmidi2abc either - is there a bug in the midi2abc code - or is it the porting that's the problem?) Under the circumstances, I think James is to be congratulated on how well abc2midi actually does. After all, it's still a lot easier to edit the output of abc2midi than it is to listen to the tune and write the abc yourself from scratch. That's right. And midi2abc fares very well compared to other (commercial) midi converters I've come across. Manually recorded midis will always be a problem. Not even Al Jackson manages to keep an absolutely mathematicalloy correct beat. Most of the other problems with the midi2abc could be solved very easily by postprocessing the abc if somebody could come up with one or more of these scripts (which ought to be really useful for other ABC processing works too): 1. A rebarring script 2. A script for halving and doubling the note values. 3. A script for identifying written out repeats and replace them with repeat signs. 4. A script for removing superfluous accidentals. 5. A script for converting accidentals to key signature. 6. A script for resolving awkward uses of and , e.g. changing |G3/2ABc/2| into |GA Bc| 7. A script for regrouping eight notes etc. but maybe I'm asking for too much here. I feel I really ought to learn perl myself, rather than skaing others for scripts, but I just haven't got time. I have to ABC the rest of O'Neill's 1001 and then there's Lindeman's Norwegian trad. music book, and van Eyck and Praetorius and the Bach chorals and Vivaldi's concertos and Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] MacMIDI2abc
James Allwright wrote: On Wed 04 Oct 2000 at 12:06AM +0200, Frank Nordberg wrote: which is pretty stupid of course. But then I told the program to take the tempo from the midi file (why isn't *that* the default?) rather than making one up itself and got this: I originally wrote midi2abc to try to deduce the time units so that it will work on MIDI from a live player without the player having to play to a computer-generated beat. Sometimes midi2abc guesses the wrong time unit, but often it will get it right. I don't think most users appreciate the difficulty of the task of getting notatable music out of MIDI files. The MIDI format was designed to hold music to be _played_, and basically consists of a list of pitches and times. There is space for tempo, key, and a flag for major/minor (but no other modes), but even these fields are often left empty. If a MIDI notation program is to put in barlines, a real key signature, notate repeats etc. then those things all have to be figured out starting from the bare list of pitches and times. Under the circumstances, I think James is to be congratulated on how well abc2midi actually does. After all, it's still a lot easier to edit the output of abc2midi than it is to listen to the tune and write the abc yourself from scratch. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] MacMIDI2abc
"Phil" == Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Phil Under the circumstances, I think James is to be Phil congratulated on how well abc2midi actually does. After Phil all, it's still a lot easier to edit the output of abc2midi Phil than it is to listen to the tune and write the abc yourself Phil from scratch. I assume you're really talking about midi2abc here? -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org ) (Note the email and homepage address changes; please update your address book, bookmarks, and links.) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] MacMIDI2abc
At 03:00 PM 10/4/2000 +0100, you wrote: I don't think most users appreciate the difficulty of the task of getting notatable music out of MIDI files. I do! because I tried to write one. I tried several midi2abc and midi2ly programs. None of them worked very well for what I needed. My needs were very specific. I wanted to notate SATB arrangements of hymns such as are found on http://tch.simplenet.com/ (over 2400 hymns!!) So I really needed (1) always use 4 voices. (2) never use rests. I wrote my program in Perl. It uses a tool called mf2t for parsing the midi file. If anyone is interested I will send you the source code. For example, given this midi... http://tch.simplenet.com/htm/h/a/halraise.htm my program produces this output, with no editing % SeqName = Alcester, 77.77 % Text = By Samuel Sebastian Wesley (1810-1876) % Copyright = Public domain % Text = Generated by NoteWorthy Composer X: 1 T: Alcester, 77.77 T: alcester.abc M: 4/4 L: 1/4 C: By Samuel Sebastian Wesley (1810-1876) %%staves (1 2) (3 4) K: E V: 1 B G/ F/ E B | e c B2 | A G c B | A G F2 | E F G E | B A F2 | B/ A/ G/ F/ E A | G F E4 | V: 2 E E E D | E E E2 | D E E E | E/ D/ E D2 | B, D B, B, | E E D2 | E E E E | E D E4 | V: 3 G, B, E, F, | B, A, G,2 | B, B, A, B, | B, B, B,2 | B, B, B, G, | B, C B,2 | B, B,/ A,/ G, C | B,3/2 A,/ G,4 | V: 4 E, B,, C, B,,/ A,,/ | G,, A,, E,2 | F, E, A, G, | F, E, B,,2 | G, B, E, E, | G,, A,, B,,2 | G,, B,, C, A,, | B,, B,, E,4 | John Henckel alt. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zumbro Falls, Minnesota, USA (507) 753-2216 http://geocities.com/jdhenckel/ To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] MacMIDI2abc
Laura wrote: "Phil" == Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Phil Under the circumstances, I think James is to be Phil congratulated on how well abc2midi actually does. After Phil all, it's still a lot easier to edit the output of abc2midi Phil than it is to listen to the tune and write the abc yourself Phil from scratch. I assume you're really talking about midi2abc here? Yes, excuse the slip. Phil To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] MacMIDI2abc
On Wed 04 Oct 2000 at 12:06AM +0200, Frank Nordberg wrote: which is pretty stupid of course. But then I told the program to take the tempo from the midi file (why isn't *that* the default?) rather than making one up itself and got this: I originally wrote midi2abc to try to deduce the time units so that it will work on MIDI from a live player without the player having to play to a computer-generated beat. Sometimes midi2abc guesses the wrong time unit, but often it will get it right. James Allwright To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] MacMIDI2abc
The program MacMIDI2abc which I mentioned previously is available from: http://www.dr-razz.com/midi2abc/ It's a very nice Macintosh port of James' midi2abc. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] MacMIDI2abc
Phil Taylor wrote: The program MacMIDI2abc which I mentioned previously is available from: http://www.dr-razz.com/midi2abc/ It's a very nice Macintosh port of James' midi2abc. Phil Taylor Seems really good. There are still a few bugs (feature that doesn't work), as well as a few really strange things that seems to be a part of the original midi2abc, but it already seems to be a really uefull tool. It works really fat, and the "reconvert" features makes it easy to try out different settings (an absolute must for this kind of work). I tried to use it on a Finale-created midi file, and got this with the default settings: --- % input file styggen-paa-laaven.mid X: 1 T: M: 4/4 L: 1/8 Q:1/4=115 K:F % 1 flats % Time signature=4/4 MIDI-clocks/click=24 32nd-notes/24-MIDI-clocks=8 % MIDI Key signature, sharp/flats=-1 minor=0 C3/2FA/2(3c2c2B2A/2G/2-|G/2A/2B3/2(3B2C2E2G/2B-|B/2B3/2 AG/2FG/2A3/2A3/2|C3/2FA/2(3c2c2B2A/2G/2-| G/2A/2B3/2(3B2c2e2d/2c|B/2AG/2 F3/2F3/2F3/2z3/2|C3/2FA/2(3c2c2B2A/2G/2-|G/2A/2B3/2(3B2C2E2G/2B-| B/2B3/2 AG/2FG/2A3/2A3/2|C3/2FA/2(3c2c2B2A/2G/2-|G/2A/2B3/2(3B2c2e2d/2c|B/2AG/2 F3/2F3/2F3/2z3/2| C3/2ACA/2 z/2C/2A/2z/2 A3/2G/2-|GG _G/2(3=G2G2G2A/2B|B/2AG/2 GF/2Ac/2f3|C3/2ACA/2 z/2C/2A/2z/2 A3/2G/2-| GG _G/2(3=G2c2e2d/2c|B/2AG/2 F3/2F3/2F3/2z3/2|C3/2ACA/2 z/2C/2A/2z/2 A3/2G/2-|GG _G/2(3=G2G2G2A/2B| B/2AG/2 GF/2Ac/2f3|C3/2ACA/2 z/2C/2A/2z/2 A3/2G/2-|GG _G/2(3=G2c2e2d/2c|B/2AG/2 F3/2F3/2F3/2 --- which is pretty stupid of course. But then I told the program to take the tempo from the midi file (why isn't *that* the default?) rather than making one up itself and got this: % input file styggen-paa-laaven.mid X: 1 T: M: 4/4 L: 1/8 Q:1/4=154 K:F % 1 flats % Time signature=4/4 MIDI-clocks/click=24 32nd-notes/24-MIDI-clocks=8 % MIDI Key signature, sharp/flats=-1 minor=0 C2 F3/2A/2 c2 c2|B3/2AGA/2 B2 B2|C2 E3/2G/2 B2 B2|A3/2GFG/2 A2 A2| C2 F3/2A/2 c2 c2|B3/2AGA/2 B2 B2|c2 e3/2dcBAG/2|F2 F2 F2 z2| C2 F3/2A/2 c2 c2|B3/2AGA/2 B2 B2|C2 E3/2G/2 B2 B2|A3/2GFG/2 A2 A2| C2 F3/2A/2 c2 c2|B3/2AGA/2 B2 B2|c2 e3/2dcBAG/2|F2 F2 F2 z2| C2 A2 CA CA|A2 G2 G3/2_G/2 =G2|G2 G3/2ABBAG/2|G3/2FAc/2 f4| C2 A2 CA CA|A2 G2 G3/2_G/2 =G2|c2 e3/2dcBAG/2|F2 F2 F2 z2| C2 A2 CA CA|A2 G2 G3/2_G/2 =G2|G2 G3/2ABBAG/2|G3/2FAc/2 f4| C2 A2 CA CA|A2 G2 G3/2_G/2 =G2|c2 e3/2dcBAG/2|F2 F2 F2 --- That's much better, of course. The only major bug is the way the dotted rhythm is notated. I would expect it to add a final barline, of course (it seems it got confused by the fact that the tune ends with a rest), but that's no big deal. It's also a pity about the accidentals, but that's a problem macmidi2abc seems to share with all other midi-to-notation converters. I also wish it didn't write the repeats out, but you simply can't expect that. As for the chords, title etc. - well it wasn't in the midi file, so macmidi2abc couldn't know. Here's a cleaned up version: X:2 T:Styggen p\aa l\aaven C:anon. O:Norway R:Reinlender M:C L:1/8 Q:1/4=154 K:F "F"C2 FA c2 c2|"C7"BA GA B2 B2|"C7"C2 EG B2 B2|"F"AG FG A2 A2| "F"C2 FA c2 c2|"C7"BA GA B2 B2|"C7"c2 ed cB AG|"F"F2 F2 F2 z2:| |:"F"C2 A2 CA CA|"C7"A2 G2 G^F G2|"C7"G2 GA BB AG|"F"GF Ac f4| "F"C2 A2 CA CA|"C7"A2 G2 G^F G2|"C7"c2 ed cB AG|"F"F2 F2 F2 z2:| Frank To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
