RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1
Title: R2 vs w2k3 SP1 As an interesting aside, We noticed recently that using an R2 corporate license key on a 2K3 enterprise (integrated sp1) CD causes the media to request the 2nd disk even though there is no second disk in the media kit.. (blame the reseller, who supplied us with the incorrect key) Ive not had the opportunity (or enthusiasm) to test whether this is also the case with the standard edition __ Mike Guest| Capgemini | Sale Server Support | Outsourcing UK Office: + 44 (0)870 366 1814 | 700 1814| [EMAIL PROTECTED] 77-79 Cross Street, Sale, Cheshire. M33 7HG Join the Collaborative Business Experience __ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Almeida Pinto, Jorge de Sent: 27 July 2006 16:50 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1 (1) I remember seing it somewhere (while writing this, I remembered the location which can be found in the link below! ;-)) ). INTEGRATING R2 onto a server does impact that server. It just adds options to the Add/Remove Programs list. Installing one of the new options should not impact the server or other components within the infrastructure. Just like before you would be adding a new option to the server (e.g. adding the DHCP server role to it). However, SOME of the R2 options REQUIRE a schema change (DFS-R, UnixIDm, distributing printer connections through GPOs) and SOME of the R2 options REQUIRE the new .NET Framwork v2. For those two I say: test, test and test. As always implementing new technology requires testing, but just introducing an option, that option should not have that great of an impact. (2) ok, done (3) now I understand... If you just want to R2 servers from a network source by using the current source a change is needed. Remember... CD1 from the R2 distribution set is W2K3 with SP1 slipstreamed, BUT that media will also trigger the INTEGRATION of CD2 from the R2 distribution set. The NORMAL W2K3 with SP1 slipstreamed will not trigger that integration and that must therfore be triggered manually. From the R2 documentation placing the I386 dir (CD1) and the CMPNENTS dir (CD2) on the same network share should give you the possibility to install servers with the R2 binaries integrated (don't forget to use the R2 product key during the setup, otherwise during the integration you will need to enter the R2 key as well!!!). After that you still need to install the options manually or during install you need to specify what to install by using an answer file. For additional info also see: http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/d/4eda5dc2-2842-468e-834e-3756e4221cdb/Windows%20Server%202003%20R2%20Overview%20Guide.doc jorge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 17:12 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1 whenthe R2 binaries are installed on the server the only thing that happens is that the R2 options are INTEGRATED (not installed). The options still need to be installed additionally. So yes, the only differenceis the list in Add/Remove Programs. [Neil Ruston]is that documented as being the only change? I can see new login bitmaps etc which indicate (IMO) that certain files on CD1differ from the original w2k3 files. There is a small bug There will be a difference in tombstone lifetime depending on which server is used to create the forest. This is a bug within R2 that introduces an incorrect (nothing dangerous) SCHEMA.INI If you use a SP1 server to create the forest the tombstone lifetime will be 180 days If you use a R2 server to create the forest the tombstone lifetime will be60 days (not set), while 180 days is expected. [Neil Ruston]yep, discussed this internally already :) don't understand your 2nd Q [Neil Ruston]let's say I have a build source share which houses the server build and has sp1 slipstreamed into w2k3. I now wish to build r2 servers onlyand soI'm asked to slipstream r2 into that build repository. Is this even a meaningful statement? I ask because of the above and the fact that I believe an r2 server may appear differently to a w2k3 sp1 server even if CD2 is *not* applied. jorge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 15:56 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1 Question 1: Server 1 is built with R2 CD1. CD2 is not used at all. Server 2 is built with R2 CD1 and r2setup is executed from R2 CD2 as well. Will these 2 servers be configured differently in any way, other than the additional hooks in 'add/remove programs'? Question 2: If I have a build created with sp1 slipstreamed, does the statement 'slipstream R2 into the build' make any sense? I believe it does not make
Re: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1
Uh... afaik R2 always has 2 disks (or thinks it should) On MSDN there's two disks for both Standard and Enterprise in the ISO downloads. Exactly what does this media look like? Guest, Mike wrote: As an interesting aside, We noticed recently that using an R2 corporate license key on a 2K3 enterprise (integrated sp1) CD causes the media to request the 2^nd disk – even though there is no second disk in the media kit.. (blame the reseller, who supplied us with the incorrect key) I’ve not had the opportunity (or enthusiasm) to test whether this is also the case with the standard edition __ Mike Guest | *Capgemini* | Sale Server Support | Outsourcing UK Office: + 44 (0)870 366 1814 | 700 1814 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]_ 77-79 Cross Street, Sale, Cheshire. M33 7HG *Join the Collaborative Business Experience* __ *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Almeida Pinto, Jorge de *Sent:* 27 July 2006 16:50 *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1 (1) I remember seing it somewhere (while writing this, I remembered the location which can be found in the link below! ;-)) ). INTEGRATING R2 onto a server does impact that server. It just adds options to the Add/Remove Programs list. Installing one of the new options should not impact the server or other components within the infrastructure. Just like before you would be adding a new option to the server (e.g. adding the DHCP server role to it). However, SOME of the R2 options REQUIRE a schema change (DFS-R, UnixIDm, distributing printer connections through GPOs) and SOME of the R2 options REQUIRE the new .NET Framwork v2. For those two I say: test, test and test. As always implementing new technology requires testing, but just introducing an option, that option should not have that great of an impact. (2) ok, done (3) now I understand... If you just want to R2 servers from a network source by using the current source a change is needed. Remember... CD1 from the R2 distribution set is W2K3 with SP1 slipstreamed, BUT that media will also trigger the INTEGRATION of CD2 from the R2 distribution set. The NORMAL W2K3 with SP1 slipstreamed will not trigger that integration and that must therfore be triggered manually. From the R2 documentation placing the I386 dir (CD1) and the CMPNENTS dir (CD2) on the same network share should give you the possibility to install servers with the R2 binaries integrated (don't forget to use the R2 product key during the setup, otherwise during the integration you will need to enter the R2 key as well!!!). After that you still need to install the options manually or during install you need to specify what to install by using an answer file. For additional info also see: http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/d/4eda5dc2-2842-468e-834e-3756e4221cdb/Windows%20Server%202003%20R2%20Overview%20Guide.doc jorge *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, July 27, 2006 17:12 *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1 when the R2 binaries are installed on the server the only thing that happens is that the R2 options are INTEGRATED (not installed). The options still need to be installed additionally. So yes, the only difference is the list in Add/Remove Programs. **[Neil Ruston] is that documented as being the only change? I can see new login bitmaps etc which indicate (IMO) that certain files on CD1 differ from the original w2k3 files.** There is a small bug There will be a difference in tombstone lifetime depending on which server is used to create the forest. This is a bug within R2 that introduces an incorrect (nothing dangerous) SCHEMA.INI If you use a SP1 server to create the forest the tombstone lifetime will be 180 days If you use a R2 server to create the forest the tombstone lifetime will be 60 days (not set), while 180 days is expected. **[Neil Ruston] yep, discussed this internally already :)** don't understand your 2nd Q **[Neil Ruston] let's say I have a build source share which houses the server build and has sp1 slipstreamed into w2k3. I now wish to build r2 servers only and so I'm asked to slipstream r2 into that build repository. Is this even a meaningful statement? I ask because of the above and the fact that I believe an r2 server may appear differently to a w2k3 sp1 server even if CD2 is *not* applied.** jorge *From:* [EMAIL
RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1
Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear The KEY was R2, the MEDIA was W2K3 SP1 EE (ie NOT R2) __ Mike Guest | Capgemini | Sale Server Support | Outsourcing UK Office: + 44 (0)870 366 1814 | 700 1814 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] 77-79 Cross Street, Sale, Cheshire. M33 7HG Join the Collaborative Business Experience __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] Sent: 28 July 2006 14:41 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1 Uh... afaik R2 always has 2 disks (or thinks it should) On MSDN there's two disks for both Standard and Enterprise in the ISO downloads. Exactly what does this media look like? Guest, Mike wrote: As an interesting aside, We noticed recently that using an R2 corporate license key on a 2K3 enterprise (integrated sp1) CD causes the media to request the 2^nd disk - even though there is no second disk in the media kit.. (blame the reseller, who supplied us with the incorrect key) I've not had the opportunity (or enthusiasm) to test whether this is also the case with the standard edition __ Mike Guest | *Capgemini* | Sale Server Support | Outsourcing UK Office: + 44 (0)870 366 1814 | 700 1814 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]_ 77-79 Cross Street, Sale, Cheshire. M33 7HG *Join the Collaborative Business Experience* __ *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Almeida Pinto, Jorge de *Sent:* 27 July 2006 16:50 *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1 (1) I remember seing it somewhere (while writing this, I remembered the location which can be found in the link below! ;-)) ). INTEGRATING R2 onto a server does impact that server. It just adds options to the Add/Remove Programs list. Installing one of the new options should not impact the server or other components within the infrastructure. Just like before you would be adding a new option to the server (e.g. adding the DHCP server role to it). However, SOME of the R2 options REQUIRE a schema change (DFS-R, UnixIDm, distributing printer connections through GPOs) and SOME of the R2 options REQUIRE the new .NET Framwork v2. For those two I say: test, test and test. As always implementing new technology requires testing, but just introducing an option, that option should not have that great of an impact. (2) ok, done (3) now I understand... If you just want to R2 servers from a network source by using the current source a change is needed. Remember... CD1 from the R2 distribution set is W2K3 with SP1 slipstreamed, BUT that media will also trigger the INTEGRATION of CD2 from the R2 distribution set. The NORMAL W2K3 with SP1 slipstreamed will not trigger that integration and that must therfore be triggered manually. From the R2 documentation placing the I386 dir (CD1) and the CMPNENTS dir (CD2) on the same network share should give you the possibility to install servers with the R2 binaries integrated (don't forget to use the R2 product key during the setup, otherwise during the integration you will need to enter the R2 key as well!!!). After that you still need to install the options manually or during install you need to specify what to install by using an answer file. For additional info also see: http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/d/4eda5dc2-2842-468e-834e-3756e42 21cdb/Windows%20Server%202003%20R2%20Overview%20Guide.doc jorge *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, July 27, 2006 17:12 *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1 when the R2 binaries are installed on the server the only thing that happens is that the R2 options are INTEGRATED (not installed). The options still need to be installed additionally. So yes, the only difference is the list in Add/Remove Programs. **[Neil Ruston] is that documented as being the only change? I can see new login bitmaps etc which indicate (IMO) that certain files on CD1 differ from the original w2k3 files.** There is a small bug There will be a difference in tombstone lifetime depending on which server is used to create the forest. This is a bug within R2 that introduces an incorrect (nothing dangerous) SCHEMA.INI If you use a SP1 server to create the forest the tombstone lifetime will be 180 days If you use a R2 server to create the forest
Re: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1
Okay that makes more sense :-) Guest, Mike wrote: Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear The KEY was R2, the MEDIA was W2K3 SP1 EE (ie NOT R2) __ Mike Guest | Capgemini | Sale Server Support | Outsourcing UK Office: + 44 (0)870 366 1814 | 700 1814 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] 77-79 Cross Street, Sale, Cheshire. M33 7HG Join the Collaborative Business Experience __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] Sent: 28 July 2006 14:41 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1 Uh... afaik R2 always has 2 disks (or thinks it should) On MSDN there's two disks for both Standard and Enterprise in the ISO downloads. Exactly what does this media look like? Guest, Mike wrote: As an interesting aside, We noticed recently that using an R2 corporate license key on a 2K3 enterprise (integrated sp1) CD causes the media to request the 2^nd disk - even though there is no second disk in the media kit.. (blame the reseller, who supplied us with the incorrect key) I've not had the opportunity (or enthusiasm) to test whether this is also the case with the standard edition __ Mike Guest | *Capgemini* | Sale Server Support | Outsourcing UK Office: + 44 (0)870 366 1814 | 700 1814 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]_ 77-79 Cross Street, Sale, Cheshire. M33 7HG *Join the Collaborative Business Experience* __ *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Almeida Pinto, Jorge de *Sent:* 27 July 2006 16:50 *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1 (1) I remember seing it somewhere (while writing this, I remembered the location which can be found in the link below! ;-)) ). INTEGRATING R2 onto a server does impact that server. It just adds options to the Add/Remove Programs list. Installing one of the new options should not impact the server or other components within the infrastructure. Just like before you would be adding a new option to the server (e.g. adding the DHCP server role to it). However, SOME of the R2 options REQUIRE a schema change (DFS-R, UnixIDm, distributing printer connections through GPOs) and SOME of the R2 options REQUIRE the new .NET Framwork v2. For those two I say: test, test and test. As always implementing new technology requires testing, but just introducing an option, that option should not have that great of an impact. (2) ok, done (3) now I understand... If you just want to R2 servers from a network source by using the current source a change is needed. Remember... CD1 from the R2 distribution set is W2K3 with SP1 slipstreamed, BUT that media will also trigger the INTEGRATION of CD2 from the R2 distribution set. The NORMAL W2K3 with SP1 slipstreamed will not trigger that integration and that must therfore be triggered manually. From the R2 documentation placing the I386 dir (CD1) and the CMPNENTS dir (CD2) on the same network share should give you the possibility to install servers with the R2 binaries integrated (don't forget to use the R2 product key during the setup, otherwise during the integration you will need to enter the R2 key as well!!!). After that you still need to install the options manually or during install you need to specify what to install by using an answer file. For additional info also see: http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/d/4eda5dc2-2842-468e-834e-3756e42 21cdb/Windows%20Server%202003%20R2%20Overview%20Guide.doc jorge *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, July 27, 2006 17:12 *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1 when the R2 binaries are installed on the server the only thing that happens is that the R2 options are INTEGRATED (not installed). The options still need to be installed additionally. So yes, the only difference is the list in Add/Remove Programs. **[Neil Ruston] is that documented as being the only change? I can see new login bitmaps etc which indicate (IMO) that certain files on CD1 differ from the original w2k3 files.** There is a small bug There will be a difference in tombstone lifetime depending on which server is used to create the forest. This is a bug within R2 that introduces an incorrect (nothing dangerous) SCHEMA.INI If you use a SP1 server to create the forest the tombstone lifetime will be 180 days If you use a R2 server to create the forest the tombstone
RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1
Title: R2 vs w2k3 SP1
whenthe R2 binaries are installed on the server
the only thing that happens is that the R2 options are INTEGRATED (not
installed). The options still need to be installed additionally. So yes, the
only differenceis the list in Add/Remove Programs.
There is a small bug
There will be a difference in tombstone lifetime
depending on which server is used to create the forest. This is a bug within R2
that introduces an incorrect (nothing dangerous) SCHEMA.INI
If you use a SP1 server to create the forest the
tombstone lifetime will be 180 days
If you use a R2 server
to create the forest the tombstone lifetime will be60 days (not
set), while 180 days is expected.
don't understand your
2nd Q
jorge
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[ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1
Question 1: Server 1 is built with R2 CD1. CD2 is not used at all.
Server 2 is built with R2 CD1 and r2setup is
executed from R2 CD2 as well.
Will these 2 servers be configured differently in
any way, other than the additional hooks in 'add/remove programs'?
Question 2: If I
have a build created with sp1 slipstreamed, does the statement 'slipstream R2
into the build' make any sense? I believe it does not make sense but others
disagree :)
Thanks, neil
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RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1
Title: R2 vs w2k3 SP1
whenthe R2 binaries are installed on the server
the only thing that happens is that the R2 options are INTEGRATED (not
installed). The options still need to be installed additionally. So yes, the
only differenceis the list in Add/Remove Programs.
[Neil Ruston]is that documented as being the only
change? I can see new login bitmaps etc which indicate (IMO) that certain files
on CD1differ from the original w2k3
files.
There is a small bug
There will be a difference in tombstone lifetime
depending on which server is used to create the forest. This is a bug within R2
that introduces an incorrect (nothing dangerous) SCHEMA.INI
If you use a SP1 server to create the forest the
tombstone lifetime will be 180 days
If you use a R2 server
to create the forest the tombstone lifetime will be60 days (not
set), while 180 days is expected.
[Neil Ruston]yep,
discussed this internally already
:)
don't understand your
2nd Q
[Neil Ruston]let's say I
have a build source share which houses the server build and has sp1 slipstreamed
into w2k3. I now wish to build r2 servers onlyand soI'm asked to
slipstream r2 into that build repository. Is this even a meaningful statement? I
ask because of the above and the fact that I believe an r2 server may appear
differently to a w2k3 sp1 server even if CD2 is *not*
applied.
jorge
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[ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1
Question 1: Server 1 is built with R2 CD1. CD2 is not used at all.
Server 2 is built with R2 CD1 and r2setup is
executed from R2 CD2 as well.
Will these 2 servers be configured differently in
any way, other than the additional hooks in 'add/remove programs'?
Question 2: If I
have a build created with sp1 slipstreamed, does the statement 'slipstream R2
into the build' make any sense? I believe it does not make sense but others
disagree :)
Thanks, neil
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RE: [ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1
Title: R2 vs w2k3 SP1
(1) I remember seing it somewhere (while writing this,
I remembered the location which can be found in the link below! ;-)) ).
INTEGRATING R2 onto a server does impact that server. It just adds options to
the Add/Remove Programs list. Installing one of the new options should not
impact the server or other components within the infrastructure. Just like
before you would be adding a new option to the server (e.g. adding the DHCP
server role to it). However, SOME of the R2 options REQUIRE a schema change
(DFS-R, UnixIDm, distributing printer connections through GPOs) and SOME of
the R2 options REQUIRE the new .NET Framwork v2. For those two I say: test, test
and test. As always implementing new technology requires testing, but just
introducing an option, that option should not have that great of an
impact.
(2) ok, done
(3) now I understand...
If you just want to R2 servers from a network source by
using the current source a change is needed.
Remember...
CD1 from the R2 distribution set is W2K3 with SP1
slipstreamed, BUT that media will also trigger the INTEGRATION of CD2 from the R2 distribution set. The NORMAL W2K3 with SP1
slipstreamed will not trigger that integration and that must therfore be
triggered manually.
From the R2
documentation placing the I386 dir (CD1) and the CMPNENTS dir (CD2) on the same
network share should give you the possibility to install servers with the R2
binaries integrated (don't forget to use the R2 product key during the setup,
otherwise during the integration you will need to enter the R2 key as well!!!).
After that you still need to install the options manually or during install you
need to specify what to install by using an answer
file.
For additional info also
see:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/d/4eda5dc2-2842-468e-834e-3756e4221cdb/Windows%20Server%202003%20R2%20Overview%20Guide.doc
jorge
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[ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1
whenthe R2
binaries are installed on the server the only thing that happens is that the
R2 options are INTEGRATED (not installed). The options still need to be
installed additionally. So yes, the only differenceis the list in
Add/Remove Programs.
[Neil Ruston]is that
documented as being the only change? I can see new login bitmaps etc which
indicate (IMO) that certain files on CD1differ from the original w2k3
files.
There is a small bug
There will be a difference in tombstone lifetime
depending on which server is used to create the forest. This is a bug within
R2 that introduces an incorrect (nothing dangerous)
SCHEMA.INI
If you use a SP1 server to create the forest the
tombstone lifetime will be 180 days
If you use a R2 server to create the forest the
tombstone lifetime will be60 days (not set), while 180 days is
expected.
[Neil Ruston]yep, discussed this internally already
:)
don't understand your 2nd Q
[Neil Ruston]let's say I have a build source share
which houses the server build and has sp1 slipstreamed into w2k3. I now wish
to build r2 servers onlyand soI'm asked to slipstream r2 into that
build repository. Is this even a meaningful statement? I ask because of the
above and the fact that I believe an r2 server may appear differently to a
w2k3 sp1 server even if CD2 is *not*
applied.
jorge
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[ActiveDir] R2 vs w2k3 SP1
Question 1: Server 1 is built with R2 CD1. CD2 is not used at all.
Server 2 is built with R2 CD1 and r2setup is
executed from R2 CD2 as well.
Will these 2 servers be configured differently in
any way, other than the additional hooks in 'add/remove programs'?
Question 2: If
I have a build created with sp1 slipstreamed, does the statement 'slipstream
R2 into the build' make any sense? I believe it does not make sense but
others disagree :)
Thanks, neil
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RE: AD2000 to 2003R2 (thread hijacking - was RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1)
Yes read it, I spent entirely too much time working on it for people to not read it. :) It is the same as moving from 2K to K3SP1 because that is what it is, moving from 2K to K3SP1. So go looking for those KB articles. The extra possible issues are with the SFU extensions that has been mentioned already on the list. Make sure you use the version of adprep that comes with R2. joe -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:19 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: AD2000 to 2003R2 (thread hijacking - was RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1) Joe, shameless brown-nosing Got my order of your book from Amazon the other day (and yes I ordered from the link on your web page). It's sitting on my dining room table just waiting to be read. Hopefully I'll have some time to start reading this weekend... /shameless brown-nosing Now, to the real question (which may actually be answered in the book, but I digress). Are there any caveats in moving direct from an AD 2000 domain to a AD2003/R2 schema with the new updates directly? Or does there need to be a stepped approach? (Yes, it does sound like a silly question, but always better safe than sorry.) Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:49 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 A couple of reasons 1. As people keep buying the product they will buy the SP1 version of it which has significant updates for security, etc. Best to get the old stuff out of the channels. 2. Gets several feature packs out there with the media so people a. Know about it at all, lots of folks don't know about the RTW stuff b. Feel that it is fully supported (this was an issue with acceptance of ADAM) Even if you don't want any of the feature packs, you want R2 or at least ADAM SP1 for the AD Tool updates. This and more is discussed in the book in the signature below[1]. ;o) Don't upgrade to R2 because you think it is a new OS. Upgrade if you need the feature packs (or tools as mentioned above). I do recommend slapping the schema in when you can, at some point, you will most likely need to apply it so this gives you good head start for getting it in there if you don't need it right away. joe [1] BTW, anyone who has had a chance to go through the book I wouldn't mind hearing reviews (or better reading them on Amazon) and/or thoughts on it. I am getting very positive feedback so far on the updates and folks are really enjoying it. Worst comment is that ADAM deserves more room and I completely agree, ADAM is a book unto itself that I am making up notes on now for including a whole section on Microsoft dorking with the name. If you know an MS Marketing person, please kick them in the knee for me. Tell them they can respond to me at my email address. ADAM was a great name, you could say, this is a case for ADAM madam! Oh no, now you have to say something stupid like we need MSADLDS or ADLDS or even LDS. At least they could have something fun and called it Lightweight Service Directory. ADLDS and LDS are not fun. ADAM is fun. Microsoft, stop being a stick in the mud you boobs. Ah, back to work. Maybe post more over the weekend but probably not, too busy. -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:26 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1??? Then why release R2 at all? Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:45 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 R2 CD1 == w2k3 SP1. R2 CD2 == addon components. Does that help? neil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: 17 February 2006 15:34 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 Hey list, Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is the same as Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk and it loads exactly and looks exactly like Windows 2003 SP1, except when
RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
same kernel also means, that you'll be able to deploy it without heavy duty application-compatibility tests. It also means, that the same hotfixes and service packs will be applied to both versions: SP2 will be exactly the same SP for Win2003 and R2. Again, less testing required when deploying this SP... /Guido -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Suhovey Sent: Samstag, 18. Februar 2006 01:41 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:04 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 [..] Microsoft does not declare the differences between windows 2003 sp1 and windows 2003 r2 disk From R2 FAQ (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx): Q. Why does Windows Server 2003 R2 require two CDs for installation? A. Windows Server 2003 with SP1-a requirement for Windows Server 2003 R2-is on CD 1. CD 2 includes the Windows Server 2003 R2 features. 1. It seems that R2 is no more than a couple feature disks, no kernel changes from R2 to SP1. Indeed. But no less either. Same kernel does not mean that it is just an extra CD with some junk. --Al List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is the same as Windows 2003 SP1? Yep, the same. You can also use the w2k3 cd, then install sp1 and then integrate R2 into the OS SP1, except when the license agreement screen comes up, it lists the OS as 2003 R2 R2 is a new distribution and as such that distribution contains 2 disks, one with W2K3SP1 and on with the R2 binaries In the R2 FAQ page on the Microsoft site, it says that you do not need to upgrade your 2003 servers to R2, you need to only upgrade them to SP1 If you have W2K3 and you want those to be R2, you need to install SP1 first If you have W2K3 already with SP1 and you want those to be R2, just integrate the R2 binaries. Integrating does not mean INSTALL! You still need to enable the features you want to use. However, integrating R2 onto a DC requires a schema change Is there not a distinct difference in the Kernel of R2 and the Kernel of 2003 SP1? If not, then for the 2003 servers that I already have online, they need only SP1 to be up to standards. Nope, kernel is not different, just new OS features. Also see above Cheers, Jorge Original Message- ---From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ---Bahta, Nathaniel V Contractor NASIC/SCNA ---Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 16:34 ---To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org ---Subject: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 --- ---Hey list, --- ---Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 ---is the same as Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk ---and it loads exactly and looks exactly like Windows 2003 ---SP1, except when the license agreement screen comes up, ---it lists the OS as 2003 R2. In the R2 FAQ page on the ---Microsoft site, it says that you do not need to upgrade ---your 2003 servers to R2, you need to only upgrade them to ---SP1 ---http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx. --- Is there not a distinct difference in the Kernel of R2 ---and the Kernel of 2003 SP1? If not, then for the 2003 ---servers that I already have online, they need only SP1 to ---be up to standards. R2 Disk 2 seems like the NT4 Option ---Pack, not another OS release or kernel, but another set ---of features on a separate disk. Correct me if I am wrong. --- --- ---Nathaniel Bahta ---GD-NS ---List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx ---List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx ---List archive: ---http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ --- This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1??? Then why
release R2 at all?
Justin A. Salandra
MCSE Windows 2000 2003
Network and Technology Services Manager
Catholic Healthcare System
646.505.3681 - office
917.455.0110 - cell
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R2 CD1 == w2k3 SP1.
R2 CD2 == addon components.
Does that help?
neil
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Hey list,
Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is the same as
Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk and it loads exactly and
looks exactly like Windows 2003 SP1, except when the license agreement
screen comes up, it lists the OS as 2003 R2. In the R2 FAQ page on the
Microsoft site, it says that you do not need to upgrade your 2003
servers to R2, you need to only upgrade them to SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx. Is there not
a distinct difference in the Kernel of R2 and the Kernel of 2003 SP1?
If not, then for the 2003 servers that I already have online, they need
only SP1 to be up to standards. R2 Disk 2 seems like the NT4 Option
Pack, not another OS release or kernel, but another set of features on a
separate disk. Correct me if I am wrong.
Nathaniel Bahta
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RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
To give all of us who paid for Software Assurance a warm fuzzy.
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So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1??? Then why
release R2 at all?
Justin A. Salandra
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R2 CD1 == w2k3 SP1.
R2 CD2 == addon components.
Does that help?
neil
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Hey list,
Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is the same as
Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk and it loads exactly and
looks exactly like Windows 2003 SP1, except when the license agreement
screen comes up, it lists the OS as 2003 R2. In the R2 FAQ page on the
Microsoft site, it says that you do not need to upgrade your 2003
servers to R2, you need to only upgrade them to SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx. Is there not
a distinct difference in the Kernel of R2 and the Kernel of 2003 SP1?
If not, then for the 2003 servers that I already have online, they need
only SP1 to be up to standards. R2 Disk 2 seems like the NT4 Option
Pack, not another OS release or kernel, but another set of features on a
separate disk. Correct me if I am wrong.
Nathaniel Bahta
GD-NS
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RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
All the answers are there on official R2 web site. microsoft.com is full of
info on what's, why's, where's about R2.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/default.mspx
F.e.:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/f9d70026-ae8b-4969-87
55-1ea1edc4e38e1033.mspx
--Al
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1???
Then why release R2 at all?
Justin A. Salandra
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Network and Technology Services Manager
Catholic Healthcare System
646.505.3681 - office
917.455.0110 - cell
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R2 CD1 == w2k3 SP1.
R2 CD2 == addon components.
Does that help?
neil
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Subject: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
Hey list,
Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is
the same as Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk and it
loads exactly and looks exactly like Windows 2003 SP1, except
when the license agreement screen comes up, it lists the OS
as 2003 R2. In the R2 FAQ page on the Microsoft site, it
says that you do not need to upgrade your 2003 servers to R2,
you need to only upgrade them to SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx. Is
there not a distinct difference in the Kernel of R2 and the
Kernel of 2003 SP1?
If not, then for the 2003 servers that I already have online,
they need only SP1 to be up to standards. R2 Disk 2 seems
like the NT4 Option Pack, not another OS release or kernel,
but another set of features on a separate disk. Correct me
if I am wrong.
Nathaniel Bahta
GD-NS
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RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
A couple of reasons
1. As people keep buying the product they will buy the SP1 version of it
which has significant updates for security, etc. Best to get the old stuff
out of the channels.
2. Gets several feature packs out there with the media so people
a. Know about it at all, lots of folks don't know about the RTW
stuff
b. Feel that it is fully supported (this was an issue with
acceptance of ADAM)
Even if you don't want any of the feature packs, you want R2 or at least
ADAM SP1 for the AD Tool updates. This and more is discussed in the book in
the signature below[1]. ;o)
Don't upgrade to R2 because you think it is a new OS. Upgrade if you need
the feature packs (or tools as mentioned above). I do recommend slapping the
schema in when you can, at some point, you will most likely need to apply it
so this gives you good head start for getting it in there if you don't need
it right away.
joe
[1] BTW, anyone who has had a chance to go through the book I wouldn't mind
hearing reviews (or better reading them on Amazon) and/or thoughts on it. I
am getting very positive feedback so far on the updates and folks are really
enjoying it. Worst comment is that ADAM deserves more room and I completely
agree, ADAM is a book unto itself that I am making up notes on now for
including a whole section on Microsoft dorking with the name. If you know an
MS Marketing person, please kick them in the knee for me. Tell them they can
respond to me at my email address. ADAM was a great name, you could say,
this is a case for ADAM madam! Oh no, now you have to say something stupid
like we need MSADLDS or ADLDS or even LDS. At least they could have
something fun and called it Lightweight Service Directory. ADLDS and LDS are
not fun. ADAM is fun. Microsoft, stop being a stick in the mud you boobs.
Ah, back to work. Maybe post more over the weekend but probably not, too
busy.
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1??? Then why
release R2 at all?
Justin A. Salandra
MCSE Windows 2000 2003
Network and Technology Services Manager
Catholic Healthcare System
646.505.3681 - office
917.455.0110 - cell
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
R2 CD1 == w2k3 SP1.
R2 CD2 == addon components.
Does that help?
neil
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Sent: 17 February 2006 15:34
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Subject: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
Hey list,
Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is the same as
Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk and it loads exactly and looks
exactly like Windows 2003 SP1, except when the license agreement screen
comes up, it lists the OS as 2003 R2. In the R2 FAQ page on the Microsoft
site, it says that you do not need to upgrade your 2003 servers to R2, you
need to only upgrade them to SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx. Is there not a
distinct difference in the Kernel of R2 and the Kernel of 2003 SP1?
If not, then for the 2003 servers that I already have online, they need only
SP1 to be up to standards. R2 Disk 2 seems like the NT4 Option Pack, not
another OS release or kernel, but another set of features on a separate
disk. Correct me if I am wrong.
Nathaniel Bahta
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RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
To keep those who bought SA on their 2003 purchase happy.
Thanks,
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:26 PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1???
Then why release R2 at all?
Justin A. Salandra
MCSE Windows 2000 2003
Network and Technology Services Manager
Catholic Healthcare System
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R2 CD1 == w2k3 SP1.
R2 CD2 == addon components.
Does that help?
neil
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Bahta, Nathaniel V Contractor NASIC/SCNA
Sent: 17 February 2006 15:34
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
Hey list,
Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is
the same as Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk and it
loads exactly and looks exactly like Windows 2003 SP1, except
when the license agreement screen comes up, it lists the OS
as 2003 R2. In the R2 FAQ page on the Microsoft site, it
says that you do not need to upgrade your 2003 servers to R2,
you need to only upgrade them to SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx. Is
there not a distinct difference in the Kernel of R2 and the
Kernel of 2003 SP1?
If not, then for the 2003 servers that I already have online,
they need only SP1 to be up to standards. R2 Disk 2 seems
like the NT4 Option Pack, not another OS release or kernel,
but another set of features on a separate disk. Correct me
if I am wrong.
Nathaniel Bahta
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Re: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
No it's an additional feature pack that goes on top of SP1...and lets'
face itit's for Software assurance folks...they had to do something
to keep us SA folks happy.
Here's what you get in the R2 era that we wanted on our SBS boxes and
don't get.
DFS improvments (major major one here in my book)
Disk folder restrictions... you don't want your MP3s stuck in that
folder? No prob. Block 'em.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/default.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/features/comparefeatures.mspx
Guys at least you get these bits on your servers.
R2 isn't just Windows 2003. But it's a smorgy pack of options to put on
top of SP1.
Salandra, Justin A. wrote:
So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1??? Then why
release R2 at all?
Justin A. Salandra
MCSE Windows 2000 2003
Network and Technology Services Manager
Catholic Healthcare System
646.505.3681 - office
917.455.0110 - cell
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
R2 CD1 == w2k3 SP1.
R2 CD2 == addon components.
Does that help?
neil
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Sent: 17 February 2006 15:34
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Subject: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
Hey list,
Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is the same as
Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk and it loads exactly and
looks exactly like Windows 2003 SP1, except when the license agreement
screen comes up, it lists the OS as 2003 R2. In the R2 FAQ page on the
Microsoft site, it says that you do not need to upgrade your 2003
servers to R2, you need to only upgrade them to SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx. Is there not
a distinct difference in the Kernel of R2 and the Kernel of 2003 SP1?
If not, then for the 2003 servers that I already have online, they need
only SP1 to be up to standards. R2 Disk 2 seems like the NT4 Option
Pack, not another OS release or kernel, but another set of features on a
separate disk. Correct me if I am wrong.
Nathaniel Bahta
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RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
Yeah there is plenty of info Al, but there are no definite answers. There are
plenty of assumptions to make, but in no way does Microsoft say that R2 is the
same as SP1, they say it is based on SP1, except the additional components CD's
that are included with it. I mean, I know they are somehow different because
if you start the R2 setup from R2 disk 1 (windows 2003 sp1), and then upon your
first login it starts to load R2 disk 2. Microsoft does not declare the
differences between windows 2003 sp1 and windows 2003 r2 disk 1. It seems that
R2 is no more than a couple feature disks, no kernel changes from R2 to SP1.
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:47 PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
All the answers are there on official R2 web site. microsoft.com is full of
info on what's, why's, where's about R2.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/default.mspx
F.e.:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/f9d70026-ae8b-4969-87
55-1ea1edc4e38e1033.mspx
--Al
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:26 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1???
Then why release R2 at all?
Justin A. Salandra
MCSE Windows 2000 2003
Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System
646.505.3681 - office
917.455.0110 - cell
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:45 AM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
R2 CD1 == w2k3 SP1.
R2 CD2 == addon components.
Does that help?
neil
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Nathaniel V Contractor NASIC/SCNA
Sent: 17 February 2006 15:34
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
Hey list,
Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is the same as
Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk and it loads exactly and
looks exactly like Windows 2003 SP1, except when the license agreement
screen comes up, it lists the OS as 2003 R2. In the R2 FAQ page on
the Microsoft site, it says that you do not need to upgrade your 2003
servers to R2, you need to only upgrade them to SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx. Is there
not a distinct difference in the Kernel of R2 and the Kernel of 2003
SP1?
If not, then for the 2003 servers that I already have online, they
need only SP1 to be up to standards. R2 Disk 2 seems like the NT4
Option Pack, not another OS release or kernel, but another set of
features on a separate disk. Correct me if I am wrong.
Nathaniel Bahta
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RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
You're just upset that ADAM has gone Mormon :-)
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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:49 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
A couple of reasons
1. As people keep buying the product they will buy the SP1 version of it
which has significant updates for security, etc. Best to get the old
stuff out of the channels.
2. Gets several feature packs out there with the media so people
a. Know about it at all, lots of folks don't know about the RTW
stuff
b. Feel that it is fully supported (this was an issue with
acceptance of ADAM)
Even if you don't want any of the feature packs, you want R2 or at least
ADAM SP1 for the AD Tool updates. This and more is discussed in the book
in the signature below[1]. ;o)
Don't upgrade to R2 because you think it is a new OS. Upgrade if you
need the feature packs (or tools as mentioned above). I do recommend
slapping the schema in when you can, at some point, you will most likely
need to apply it so this gives you good head start for getting it in
there if you don't need it right away.
joe
[1] BTW, anyone who has had a chance to go through the book I wouldn't
mind hearing reviews (or better reading them on Amazon) and/or thoughts
on it. I am getting very positive feedback so far on the updates and
folks are really enjoying it. Worst comment is that ADAM deserves more
room and I completely agree, ADAM is a book unto itself that I am making
up notes on now for including a whole section on Microsoft dorking with
the name. If you know an MS Marketing person, please kick them in the
knee for me. Tell them they can respond to me at my email address. ADAM
was a great name, you could say, this is a case for ADAM madam! Oh no,
now you have to say something stupid like we need MSADLDS or ADLDS or
even LDS. At least they could have something fun and called it
Lightweight Service Directory. ADLDS and LDS are not fun. ADAM is fun.
Microsoft, stop being a stick in the mud you boobs.
Ah, back to work. Maybe post more over the weekend but probably not, too
busy.
--
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http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Salandra,
Justin A.
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:26 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1??? Then why
release R2 at all?
Justin A. Salandra
MCSE Windows 2000 2003
Network and Technology Services Manager
Catholic Healthcare System
646.505.3681 - office
917.455.0110 - cell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:45 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
R2 CD1 == w2k3 SP1.
R2 CD2 == addon components.
Does that help?
neil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V Contractor NASIC/SCNA
Sent: 17 February 2006 15:34
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
Hey list,
Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is the same as
Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk and it loads exactly and
looks exactly like Windows 2003 SP1, except when the license agreement
screen comes up, it lists the OS as 2003 R2. In the R2 FAQ page on the
Microsoft site, it says that you do not need to upgrade your 2003
servers to R2, you need to only upgrade them to SP1
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx. Is there not
a distinct difference in the Kernel of R2 and the Kernel of 2003 SP1?
If not, then for the 2003 servers that I already have online, they need
only
SP1 to be up to standards. R2 Disk 2 seems like the NT4 Option Pack,
not another OS release or kernel, but another set of features on a
separate disk. Correct me if I am wrong.
Nathaniel Bahta
GD-NS
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AD2000 to 2003R2 (thread hijacking - was RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1)
Joe, shameless brown-nosing Got my order of your book from Amazon the other day (and yes I ordered from the link on your web page). It's sitting on my dining room table just waiting to be read. Hopefully I'll have some time to start reading this weekend... /shameless brown-nosing Now, to the real question (which may actually be answered in the book, but I digress). Are there any caveats in moving direct from an AD 2000 domain to a AD2003/R2 schema with the new updates directly? Or does there need to be a stepped approach? (Yes, it does sound like a silly question, but always better safe than sorry.) Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:49 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 A couple of reasons 1. As people keep buying the product they will buy the SP1 version of it which has significant updates for security, etc. Best to get the old stuff out of the channels. 2. Gets several feature packs out there with the media so people a. Know about it at all, lots of folks don't know about the RTW stuff b. Feel that it is fully supported (this was an issue with acceptance of ADAM) Even if you don't want any of the feature packs, you want R2 or at least ADAM SP1 for the AD Tool updates. This and more is discussed in the book in the signature below[1]. ;o) Don't upgrade to R2 because you think it is a new OS. Upgrade if you need the feature packs (or tools as mentioned above). I do recommend slapping the schema in when you can, at some point, you will most likely need to apply it so this gives you good head start for getting it in there if you don't need it right away. joe [1] BTW, anyone who has had a chance to go through the book I wouldn't mind hearing reviews (or better reading them on Amazon) and/or thoughts on it. I am getting very positive feedback so far on the updates and folks are really enjoying it. Worst comment is that ADAM deserves more room and I completely agree, ADAM is a book unto itself that I am making up notes on now for including a whole section on Microsoft dorking with the name. If you know an MS Marketing person, please kick them in the knee for me. Tell them they can respond to me at my email address. ADAM was a great name, you could say, this is a case for ADAM madam! Oh no, now you have to say something stupid like we need MSADLDS or ADLDS or even LDS. At least they could have something fun and called it Lightweight Service Directory. ADLDS and LDS are not fun. ADAM is fun. Microsoft, stop being a stick in the mud you boobs. Ah, back to work. Maybe post more over the weekend but probably not, too busy. -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:26 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1??? Then why release R2 at all? Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:45 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 R2 CD1 == w2k3 SP1. R2 CD2 == addon components. Does that help? neil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: 17 February 2006 15:34 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 Hey list, Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is the same as Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk and it loads exactly and looks exactly like Windows 2003 SP1, except when the license agreement screen comes up, it lists the OS as 2003 R2. In the R2 FAQ page on the Microsoft site, it says that you do not need to upgrade your 2003 servers to R2, you need to only upgrade them to SP1 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx. Is there not a distinct difference in the Kernel of R2 and the Kernel of 2003 SP1? If not, then for the 2003 servers that I already have online, they need only SP1 to be up to standards. R2 Disk 2 seems like the NT4 Option Pack, not another OS release or kernel, but another set of features on a separate disk. Correct me if I am wrong. Nathaniel Bahta GD-NS List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List
RE: AD2000 to 2003R2 (thread hijacking - was RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1)
Hope you don't mind me answering this... The same rules apply when going from w2k to w2k3r2 compared to w2k-w2k3 Make sure you run ADPREP from DISK 2!!! Using that ADPREP version upgrades the schema directly to version 31 (R2) If you run the ADPREP version from DISK1 you will get schema version 30, which is just W2K3 without R2 See: http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2005/11/20/110.aspx Jorge -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 22:19 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: AD2000 to 2003R2 (thread hijacking - was RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1) Joe, shameless brown-nosing Got my order of your book from Amazon the other day (and yes I ordered from the link on your web page). It's sitting on my dining room table just waiting to be read. Hopefully I'll have some time to start reading this weekend... /shameless brown-nosing Now, to the real question (which may actually be answered in the book, but I digress). Are there any caveats in moving direct from an AD 2000 domain to a AD2003/R2 schema with the new updates directly? Or does there need to be a stepped approach? (Yes, it does sound like a silly question, but always better safe than sorry.) Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:49 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 A couple of reasons 1. As people keep buying the product they will buy the SP1 version of it which has significant updates for security, etc. Best to get the old stuff out of the channels. 2. Gets several feature packs out there with the media so people a. Know about it at all, lots of folks don't know about the RTW stuff b. Feel that it is fully supported (this was an issue with acceptance of ADAM) Even if you don't want any of the feature packs, you want R2 or at least ADAM SP1 for the AD Tool updates. This and more is discussed in the book in the signature below[1]. ;o) Don't upgrade to R2 because you think it is a new OS. Upgrade if you need the feature packs (or tools as mentioned above). I do recommend slapping the schema in when you can, at some point, you will most likely need to apply it so this gives you good head start for getting it in there if you don't need it right away. joe [1] BTW, anyone who has had a chance to go through the book I wouldn't mind hearing reviews (or better reading them on Amazon) and/or thoughts on it. I am getting very positive feedback so far on the updates and folks are really enjoying it. Worst comment is that ADAM deserves more room and I completely agree, ADAM is a book unto itself that I am making up notes on now for including a whole section on Microsoft dorking with the name. If you know an MS Marketing person, please kick them in the knee for me. Tell them they can respond to me at my email address. ADAM was a great name, you could say, this is a case for ADAM madam! Oh no, now you have to say something stupid like we need MSADLDS or ADLDS or even LDS. At least they could have something fun and called it Lightweight Service Directory. ADLDS and LDS are not fun. ADAM is fun. Microsoft, stop being a stick in the mud you boobs. Ah, back to work. Maybe post more over the weekend but probably not, too busy. -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:26 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1??? Then why release R2 at all? Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic Healthcare System 646.505.3681 - office 917.455.0110 - cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:45 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 R2 CD1 == w2k3 SP1. R2 CD2 == addon components. Does that help? neil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: 17 February 2006 15:34 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 Hey list, Do you guys/gals know whether it is true that R2 disk 1 is the same as Windows 2003 SP1? I loaded the first disk and it loads exactly and looks exactly like Windows 2003 SP1, except when the license agreement screen
RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V Contractor NASIC/SCNA Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:04 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 [..] Microsoft does not declare the differences between windows 2003 sp1 and windows 2003 r2 disk From R2 FAQ (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/R2/R2FAQ.mspx): Q. Why does Windows Server 2003 R2 require two CDs for installation? A. Windows Server 2003 with SP1-a requirement for Windows Server 2003 R2-is on CD 1. CD 2 includes the Windows Server 2003 R2 features. 1. It seems that R2 is no more than a couple feature disks, no kernel changes from R2 to SP1. Indeed. But no less either. Same kernel does not mean that it is just an extra CD with some junk. --Al List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: AD2000 to 2003R2 (thread hijacking - was RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1)
Jorge, I never mind someone knowledgeable answering the question! I haven't had much time to look at what's new in R2 yet, and therefore wanted to check... Glad I asked. I've actually been thinking of finally upgrading our AD controllers to 2003, but was holding off for R2... I've waited this long, might as well do it all in one fell swoop. (Not like I won't be doing more reading on the new tools in R2 before I run some tests and actually do the upgrade, but at least this is one question I won't be stumbling to find an answer for!) Thanks again. JoeP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Almeida Pinto, Jorge de Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:47 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: AD2000 to 2003R2 (thread hijacking - was RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1) Hope you don't mind me answering this... The same rules apply when going from w2k to w2k3r2 compared to w2k-w2k3 Make sure you run ADPREP from DISK 2!!! Using that ADPREP version upgrades the schema directly to version 31 (R2) If you run the ADPREP version from DISK1 you will get schema version 30, which is just W2K3 without R2 See: http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2005/11/20/110.aspx Jorge -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pochedley Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 22:19 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: AD2000 to 2003R2 (thread hijacking - was RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1) Joe, shameless brown-nosing Got my order of your book from Amazon the other day (and yes I ordered from the link on your web page). It's sitting on my dining room table just waiting to be read. Hopefully I'll have some time to start reading this weekend... /shameless brown-nosing Now, to the real question (which may actually be answered in the book, but I digress). Are there any caveats in moving direct from an AD 2000 domain to a AD2003/R2 schema with the new updates directly? Or does there need to be a stepped approach? (Yes, it does sound like a silly question, but always better safe than sorry.) Joe Pochedley A computer terminal is not some clunky old television with a typewriter in front of it. It is an interface where the mind and body can connect with the universe and move bits of it about. -Douglas Adams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:49 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 A couple of reasons 1. As people keep buying the product they will buy the SP1 version of it which has significant updates for security, etc. Best to get the old stuff out of the channels. 2. Gets several feature packs out there with the media so people a. Know about it at all, lots of folks don't know about the RTW stuff b. Feel that it is fully supported (this was an issue with acceptance of ADAM) Even if you don't want any of the feature packs, you want R2 or at least ADAM SP1 for the AD Tool updates. This and more is discussed in the book in the signature below[1]. ;o) Don't upgrade to R2 because you think it is a new OS. Upgrade if you need the feature packs (or tools as mentioned above). I do recommend slapping the schema in when you can, at some point, you will most likely need to apply it so this gives you good head start for getting it in there if you don't need it right away. joe [1] BTW, anyone who has had a chance to go through the book I wouldn't mind hearing reviews (or better reading them on Amazon) and/or thoughts on it. I am getting very positive feedback so far on the updates and folks are really enjoying it. Worst comment is that ADAM deserves more room and I completely agree, ADAM is a book unto itself that I am making up notes on now for including a whole section on Microsoft dorking with the name. If you know an MS Marketing person, please kick them in the knee for me. Tell them they can respond to me at my email address. ADAM was a great name, you could say, this is a case for ADAM madam! Oh no, now you have to say something stupid like we need MSADLDS or ADLDS or even LDS. At least they could have something fun and called it Lightweight Service Directory. ADLDS and LDS are not fun. ADAM is fun. Microsoft, stop being a stick in the mud you boobs. Ah, back to work. Maybe post more over the weekend but probably not, too busy. -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A. Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:26 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] R2 and W2K3 SP1 So Windows 2003 R2 is nothing more then Windows 2003 SP1??? Then why release R2 at all? Justin A. Salandra MCSE Windows 2000 2003 Network and Technology Services Manager Catholic
