RE: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness

2003-08-25 Thread Ben Goertzel 
Title: RE: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness




Hi 
Shai,

I read 
your brief article on consciousness.

Much 
of what you say is agreeable to me -- I do think that human consciousness has a 
lot to do with the kind of "attentional dynamics" of active "objects" that you 
mention.

I have 
a slightly different phraseology for discussing these topics,but I think 
my ideas on attentional dynamics are consistent with your own (I have an old 
article on www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/ that 
discusses consciousness and attention in Webmind, an AI system I was involved 
with in the late 1990's).

However, you follow Daniel Dennett in completely ignoring what some folk 
call the "hard problem" of consciousness --- i.e. bridging the subjective 
experience of "qualia" and the "mechanistic" explanations of neuroscience and 
cognitive psychology. I tend to feel there is some real subtlety hidden in 
the "hard problem" -- 

However, I also feel that true AI and even superhuman AI can be created 
without solving all the deep intellectual problems associated 
withconsciousness. Perhaps conscious AI's will one day help us to 
understand all of what consciousness really is ;-)


-- Ben 
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  You're right. Sorry. Attached is a 
  word version. Thanks, Shai. 
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RE: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness

2003-08-25 Thread Ben Goertzel 
Title: RE: [agi] Web Consciousness and self consciousness



The URL I was referring to 
is...

http://goertzel.org/dynapsyc/2000/ConsciousnessInWebmind.htm

-- 
ben

  I 
  have a slightly different phraseology for discussing these topics,but I 
  think my ideas on attentional dynamics are consistent with your own (I have an 
  old article on www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/ that 
  discusses consciousness and attention in Webmind, an AI system I was involved 
  with in the late 1990's).


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[agi] Concept-Fiber Theory of Mind

2003-08-25 Thread Arthur T. Murray 

An effort to create multi-species AI Minds is 'Net-wide underway.
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/perl.html is Perl AI evolution.

Not only AI instances must compete, but also each theory of mind.
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/theory5.html presents a theory.

Comments may be posted here in amplification of previous blurbs:
http://www.yek18.dial.pipex.com/greg/docs/ -- see Mentifex AI;
http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/307824.307853 -- ACM SIGPLAN Notices;
http://www.sl4.org/archive/0205/3829.html -- review by Goertzel.

Would some brave soul please enter a review of AI For You (AI4U)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595654371/ -- on Amazon.

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