Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[gene heskett]

On 9/30/22 02:32, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

Am 29.09.22 um 02:03 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 16:11:15 -0400, Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote:

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 17:29:41 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

I received:

"Your message to chris.hass...@betsol.com couldn't be delivered.

Chris.Hassell wasn't found at betsol.com."


(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully 
the

bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
server...(?) )


Ack -- I just discovered that my 9/13 test message did result in a
bounce message after all.  (The bounce message went to my spam
folder.)

I tried again just now, and his email address still bounced.

So it would seem that Chris is indeed no longer at Betsol  :(


Ah, that's bad. So again no more direct upstream contact at Betsol.

Still no packages provided by them for 3.5.2, still no activity at the 
Github-issues, etc etc


Sad.

Let's see who follows.

Thanks for the test, Nathan.

What follows is a four letter word.  fork. The question is how do we pay 
for a continuation of a better way to
do effective backups. And who is to be "in charge". IOW, do we let it 
fade away into the sunset for lack of
adequate support, or do we who have benefited from it, step up to the 
plate and make it a DIY project.


TANSTAAFL is the operative keyword here.  So who gets the bill for lunch?

.



Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 29.09.22 um 02:03 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 16:11:15 -0400, Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote:

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 17:29:41 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

I received:

"Your message to chris.hass...@betsol.com couldn't be delivered.

Chris.Hassell wasn't found at betsol.com."


(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
server...(?) )


Ack -- I just discovered that my 9/13 test message did result in a
bounce message after all.  (The bounce message went to my spam
folder.)

I tried again just now, and his email address still bounced.

So it would seem that Chris is indeed no longer at Betsol  :(


Ah, that's bad. So again no more direct upstream contact at Betsol.

Still no packages provided by them for 3.5.2, still no activity at the 
Github-issues, etc etc


Sad.

Let's see who follows.

Thanks for the test, Nathan.

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 16:11:15 -0400, Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 17:29:41 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> > I received:
> > 
> > "Your message to chris.hass...@betsol.com couldn't be delivered.
> > 
> > Chris.Hassell wasn't found at betsol.com."
> 
> (I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
> accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
> any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
> bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
> server...(?) )

Ack -- I just discovered that my 9/13 test message did result in a
bounce message after all.  (The bounce message went to my spam
folder.)

I tried again just now, and his email address still bounced.

So it would seem that Chris is indeed no longer at Betsol  :(

Nathan



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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[gene heskett]

On 9/15/22 03:08, Diego Zuccato wrote:

Il 14/09/2022 19:00, gene heskett ha scritto:

Waiting for 2T SSD's to become affordable, if they ever do.Depends on 
your definition of "affordable".


I bought 2 2TB NVMes at about 300€ each... But SSDs and NVMes have a 
quite "limited" life. Look at TBW numbers. Many SSDs and NVMes have 
some cache RAM for sectors that get rewritten very often, but backups 
tendo to be sequential so the cache is nearly useless. Once upon a 
time there were flash-backed ramdrives: controller + RAM + SSD + 
battery, all the flash contents fitted in the RAM, so the flash was 
never written unless the battery got discharged enough. Safe 
assumption: battery dicharging = host off = no ongoing writes. 
Needless to say the cost was really high and they where usually 
reserved for (parts of) databases.


This is where one needs to over-provision.  As an example, I have 
several rpi4 sized rigs
doing dedicated jobs. Using 8GB cards that were over 50% used got me 
card failures quick
enough to get my attention. These cards have internal housekeeping we 
can't see, designed
to equalize the wear. So as an experiment the next card I composed for 
the rpi4 was a 64Gigger.
This card gets way more than normal read/write traffic as it runs 
linuxcnc master, which is
updated several times a week as development goes on. That card, and the 
cards in 2 more
rock64's have been trouble free, the rpi4 for 4 years now, and my theory 
says its because
they are way over-provisioned, the card has room to do its housekeeping 
with zero outward
signs to let me know it is doing anything. Disk usage tools like df show 
no loss of capacity, yet
in a typical week up to 3 gigs of it is wiped and rewritten. And has 
been since raspian wheezy
on an rpi3. Same card. kernels and linuxcnc from git pulls, but that 
gets done on a 240G SSD
plugged into a usb adaptor with only the results being written to the 
u-sd. But the 240G is

now at 50% used. How much longer will it last? IDK.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Diego Zuccato]

Il 14/09/2022 19:00, gene heskett ha scritto:


Waiting for 2T SSD's to become affordable, if they ever do.Depends on your definition of 
"affordable".


I bought 2 2TB NVMes at about 300€ each... But SSDs and NVMes have a 
quite "limited" life. Look at TBW numbers. Many SSDs and NVMes have some 
cache RAM for sectors that get rewritten very often, but backups tendo 
to be sequential so the cache is nearly useless. Once upon a time there 
were flash-backed ramdrives: controller + RAM + SSD + battery, all the 
flash contents fitted in the RAM, so the flash was never written unless 
the battery got discharged enough. Safe assumption: battery dicharging = 
host off = no ongoing writes. Needless to say the cost was really high 
and they where usually reserved for (parts of) databases.


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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[gene heskett]

Greetings all;

On 9/14/22 07:39, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

Am 13.09.22 um 22:11 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:


(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
server...(?) )


Interesting, thanks for testing.

Did you get a reply already?

Would be great to know if someone at Betsol is responding to the 
community, and when we see installable packages from them.


.
That hasn't happened in a mailing list like time frame yet, typically a 
month or so.
That says amanda is nowhere near the front burner at Betsol. As an 
amanda user since
about the late 1998 time frame, I lament the day that the University of 
Maryland sold it

all those years ago.

I haven't restarted it since both 2T drives I'd just installed went tits 
down in the
night about 2 weeks apart last October. I will not stop berating seagate 
for the
cause of that debacle, an experiment in flying heads closer to the disk 
by filling
the drives with helium. In my day, any 8th grader knew you can't keep 
helium,
its small enough it walks thru a monel bottle, losing about 10% of it 
overnight.
The drives both failed when enough air got into the drive to raise the 
flying height

of the heads beyond where they could read or write the disks rust coating.
Here, there are no more spinning rust drives, Samsung SSD's are 5x 
faster. But
/home is now a separate controller with 4 1T Samsung drives in a raid-10 
config.
And I've yet to order 4 more, and another controller for use as amanda 
vtapes.


Waiting for 2T SSD's to become affordable, if they ever do.

Take care & stay well everybody.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 13:32:08 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 13.09.22 um 22:11 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:
> 
> >(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
> >accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
> >any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
> >bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
> >server...(?) )
> 
> Interesting, thanks for testing.
> 
> Did you get a reply already?

No, I haven't received any reply... (but also have not received any
bounce message).

> Would be great to know if someone at Betsol is responding to the
> community, and when we see installable packages from them.

(Yep, agreed.)

Nathan

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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 13.09.22 um 22:11 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:


(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
server...(?) )


Interesting, thanks for testing.

Did you get a reply already?

Would be great to know if someone at Betsol is responding to the 
community, and when we see installable packages from them.

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 17:29:41 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> I received:
> 
> "Your message to chris.hass...@betsol.com couldn't be delivered.
> 
> Chris.Hassell wasn't found at betsol.com."

(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
server...(?) )

Nathan 


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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 13.09.22 um 14:14 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:

@Chris ... any news? Could you pls provide packages, for example for 
Debian 11.x ?


thanks


I received:

"Your message to chris.hass...@betsol.com couldn't be delivered.

Chris.Hassell wasn't found at betsol.com."

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 24.08.22 um 14:10 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:

Am 02.08.22 um 20:31 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:

On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 12:30:07 -0400, gene heskett wrote:

And where do I get the debian approved versions of 3.5.2?


That's what Jose is attempting to create now... (So watch this thread
for news.)


We are :-)

Tried another build in my test VM today ... still does not work.

And still no packages (for current distributions) from upstream at 
https://www.zmanda.com/downloads/


@Chris ... any news? Could you pls provide packages, for example for 
Debian 11.x ?


thanks

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 02.08.22 um 20:31 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:

On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 12:30:07 -0400, gene heskett wrote:

And where do I get the debian approved versions of 3.5.2?


That's what Jose is attempting to create now... (So watch this thread
for news.)


We are :-)

Tried another build in my test VM today ... still does not work.

And still no packages (for current distributions) from upstream at 
https://www.zmanda.com/downloads/

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 12:30:07 -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> And where do I get the debian approved versions of 3.5.2? 

That's what Jose is attempting to create now... (So watch this thread
for news.)

Nathan



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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[gene heskett]

On 8/2/22 10:32, Jose M Calhariz wrote:

On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 12:27:26PM +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

Am 02.08.22 um 10:06 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:

Am 02.08.22 um 09:44 schrieb gene heskett:

On 8/2/22 01:40, Winston Sorfleet wrote:

Much appreciated José, count me in as a beta tester.


Me too, but its been a while and this is a fairly fresh bullseye
install, and autogen
complains mightily, and quickly.

gene@coyote:~/src/amanda-tag-community-3.5.2$ ./autogen
See DEVELOPING for instructions on updating:
   * gettext macros
   * gnulib
   * libtool files
..creating file lists
..aclocal
config/amanda/libs.m4:160: warning: macro 'AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0' not
found in library
...aclocal patches
..autoconf
configure:46532: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0
    If this token and others are legitimate, please use
m4_pattern_allow.
    See the Autoconf documentation.
configure:46533: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR
autoconf failed

And the fix is?

build-essential., debhejper and friends are installed.

As far as I learned from Chris Hassell, the new packaging scripts should
build packages for Debian with:

./packaging/deb/buildpkg

I am trying that for the branch "tag-community-3.5.2" right now in a
Debian-11.4-VM.

There is quite a list of needed packages to install, Chris told me:

gcc g++ binutils gettext libtool autoconf automake bison flex swig
libglib2.0-dev libjson-glib-1.0 libjson-glib-dev libssl-dev
libcurl4-openssl-dev libncurses5-dev libreadline-dev perl-base
perl-modules libcpanplus-perl libio-socket-ssl-perl libswitch-perl
bsd-mailx mtx procps smbclient dump gnuplot-nox xinetd

and some extra:

xsltproc build-essential debhelper fakeroot dpkg-dev dh-make-perl git
make gawk grep tar passwd

pressing SEND now, my build is still running

I was able to build packages for 3.5.2 after applying the fix mentioned in

https://github.com/zmanda/amanda/issues/185

Installing the packages over the packages coming from the Debian
repositories seems a bit tricky:

the new packages use the user "amandabackup", so far it was "backup"

the path to amandad seems to change as well

I assume I can edit packaging/deb/rules to adjust that.

Unsure if that is a good thing to do.


The Debian packages from Zmanda follow the official documentation, the
Packages from Debian, aka now maintained by me, follow Debian
guidelines.  Upgrades between them is something that I do not try and
I do not expect good results.

There are patches to the build process and code to adapt the amanda
for the Debian guidelines.  I do my best to patch the documentation of
amanda on Debian, so there is no difference between what is
implemented and what is documented.


Kind regards
Jose M Calhariz

And where do I get the debian approved versions of 3.5.2? What is 
offered in the bullseye
repo's is an older 1.3.5.1-7 that has not worked for me. Un-resolvable 
Dependencies.  And
I was at one time, quite comfortable building from tarballs, been doing 
it since 1998.


But I had a complete meltdown last fall losing 20 years of history with 
the failure of

two new 2T seacrate drives in a 1 week span. End of spinning rust here.

So my rebuild is now 100% 1T Samsung SSD's, 4 in a raid10 for /home. 
With a .5Tb as /, + 1
500GB SSD for dump buffer, and I can get more of the 1T's for a raid10 
for amanda.  If I

can get it to work...

Thank you Jose, take care & stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Jose M Calhariz]

On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 06:27:24AM +0100, Jose M Calhariz wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 06:50:15PM +0100, Jose M Calhariz wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 10:55:40AM +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> > > Am 29.07.22 um 04:11 schrieb Pavan Raj:
> > > > Hello Everyone,
> > > > 
> > > > We at Zmanda are pleased to announce the 3.5.2 release of Amanda
> > > > Community.
> > > 
> > > Nice to hear ...
> > > 
> > > anyone touched that yet?
> > > 
> > > Looking forward to that release packaged for Debian (most of my
> > > amanda-servers run Debian Linux).
> > 
> > Give me sometime to prepare non oficial Debian source packages for
> > Debian 11 and 10, so you can easily build for your servers.  This time
> > I would like some reports of success with 3.5.2 before upload an
> > official package to Debian unstable.
> 
> I have problems with the autotools to compile amanda 3.5.2 for a
> pre-offcial package for Debian, with alot of warnings about deprecated
> macros.  I will work on this.

I am not doing progress in solving the autotools problems.

I copied debian directory from official Debian 3.5.1, refresh patches,
and "debuild".  I fails with alot of warnings and this relevant error:

automake: error: cannot open < config/amanda/file-list: No such file or 
directory
autoreconf: automake failed with exit status: 1
find ! -ipath "./debian/*" -a ! \( -path '*/.git/*' -o -path '*/.hg/*' 
-o -path '*/.bzr/*' -o -path '*/.svn/*' -o -path '*/CVS/*' \) -a  -type f -exec 
md5sum {} + -o -type l -printf "symlink  %p
" > debian/autoreconf.after
dh_autoreconf: autoreconf -f -i returned exit code 1
make: *** [debian/rules:41: build] Error 2
dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build subprocess returned exit status 2
debuild: fatal error at line 1182:
dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -ui -i -ICVS -I.svn failed



Kind regards
Jose M Calhariz






> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > On gentoo I am afraid I have to try to come up with an ebuild myself for 
> > > now
> > > (even the 3.6 beta doesn't come with an ebuild yet).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > Jose M Calhariz
> > 
> 
> Kind regards
> Jose M Calhariz
> 
> 
> 



-- 
--
Não há fatos, só interpretações.
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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Jose M Calhariz]

On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 12:27:26PM +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 02.08.22 um 10:06 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
> > Am 02.08.22 um 09:44 schrieb gene heskett:
> > > On 8/2/22 01:40, Winston Sorfleet wrote:
> > > > Much appreciated José, count me in as a beta tester.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Me too, but its been a while and this is a fairly fresh bullseye
> > > install, and autogen
> > > complains mightily, and quickly.
> > > 
> > > gene@coyote:~/src/amanda-tag-community-3.5.2$ ./autogen
> > > See DEVELOPING for instructions on updating:
> > >   * gettext macros
> > >   * gnulib
> > >   * libtool files
> > > ..creating file lists
> > > ..aclocal
> > > config/amanda/libs.m4:160: warning: macro 'AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0' not
> > > found in library
> > > ...aclocal patches
> > > ..autoconf
> > > configure:46532: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0
> > >    If this token and others are legitimate, please use
> > > m4_pattern_allow.
> > >    See the Autoconf documentation.
> > > configure:46533: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR
> > > autoconf failed
> > > 
> > > And the fix is?
> > > 
> > > build-essential., debhejper and friends are installed.
> > 
> > As far as I learned from Chris Hassell, the new packaging scripts should
> > build packages for Debian with:
> > 
> > ./packaging/deb/buildpkg
> > 
> > I am trying that for the branch "tag-community-3.5.2" right now in a
> > Debian-11.4-VM.
> > 
> > There is quite a list of needed packages to install, Chris told me:
> > 
> > gcc g++ binutils gettext libtool autoconf automake bison flex swig
> > libglib2.0-dev libjson-glib-1.0 libjson-glib-dev libssl-dev
> > libcurl4-openssl-dev libncurses5-dev libreadline-dev perl-base
> > perl-modules libcpanplus-perl libio-socket-ssl-perl libswitch-perl
> > bsd-mailx mtx procps smbclient dump gnuplot-nox xinetd
> > 
> > and some extra:
> > 
> > xsltproc build-essential debhelper fakeroot dpkg-dev dh-make-perl git
> > make gawk grep tar passwd
> > 
> > pressing SEND now, my build is still running
> 
> I was able to build packages for 3.5.2 after applying the fix mentioned in
> 
> https://github.com/zmanda/amanda/issues/185
> 
> Installing the packages over the packages coming from the Debian
> repositories seems a bit tricky:
> 
> the new packages use the user "amandabackup", so far it was "backup"
> 
> the path to amandad seems to change as well
> 
> I assume I can edit packaging/deb/rules to adjust that.
> 
> Unsure if that is a good thing to do.
>

The Debian packages from Zmanda follow the official documentation, the
Packages from Debian, aka now maintained by me, follow Debian
guidelines.  Upgrades between them is something that I do not try and
I do not expect good results.

There are patches to the build process and code to adapt the amanda
for the Debian guidelines.  I do my best to patch the documentation of
amanda on Debian, so there is no difference between what is
implemented and what is documented.


Kind regards
Jose M Calhariz

-- 
--
Não há fatos, só interpretações.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 02.08.22 um 10:06 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:

Am 02.08.22 um 09:44 schrieb gene heskett:

On 8/2/22 01:40, Winston Sorfleet wrote:

Much appreciated José, count me in as a beta tester.



Me too, but its been a while and this is a fairly fresh bullseye 
install, and autogen

complains mightily, and quickly.

gene@coyote:~/src/amanda-tag-community-3.5.2$ ./autogen
See DEVELOPING for instructions on updating:
  * gettext macros
  * gnulib
  * libtool files
..creating file lists
..aclocal
config/amanda/libs.m4:160: warning: macro 'AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0' not found 
in library

...aclocal patches
..autoconf
configure:46532: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0
   If this token and others are legitimate, please use 
m4_pattern_allow.

   See the Autoconf documentation.
configure:46533: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR
autoconf failed

And the fix is?

build-essential., debhejper and friends are installed.


As far as I learned from Chris Hassell, the new packaging scripts should 
build packages for Debian with:


./packaging/deb/buildpkg

I am trying that for the branch "tag-community-3.5.2" right now in a 
Debian-11.4-VM.


There is quite a list of needed packages to install, Chris told me:

gcc g++ binutils gettext libtool autoconf automake bison flex swig 
libglib2.0-dev libjson-glib-1.0 libjson-glib-dev libssl-dev 
libcurl4-openssl-dev libncurses5-dev libreadline-dev perl-base 
perl-modules libcpanplus-perl libio-socket-ssl-perl libswitch-perl 
bsd-mailx mtx procps smbclient dump gnuplot-nox xinetd


and some extra:

xsltproc build-essential debhelper fakeroot dpkg-dev dh-make-perl git 
make gawk grep tar passwd


pressing SEND now, my build is still running


I was able to build packages for 3.5.2 after applying the fix mentioned in

https://github.com/zmanda/amanda/issues/185

Installing the packages over the packages coming from the Debian 
repositories seems a bit tricky:


the new packages use the user "amandabackup", so far it was "backup"

the path to amandad seems to change as well

I assume I can edit packaging/deb/rules to adjust that.

Unsure if that is a good thing to do.

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 02.08.22 um 10:06 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:


pressing SEND now, my build is still running


hitting https://github.com/zmanda/amanda/issues/184

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 02.08.22 um 09:44 schrieb gene heskett:

On 8/2/22 01:40, Winston Sorfleet wrote:

Much appreciated José, count me in as a beta tester.



Me too, but its been a while and this is a fairly fresh bullseye 
install, and autogen

complains mightily, and quickly.

gene@coyote:~/src/amanda-tag-community-3.5.2$ ./autogen
See DEVELOPING for instructions on updating:
  * gettext macros
  * gnulib
  * libtool files
..creating file lists
..aclocal
config/amanda/libs.m4:160: warning: macro 'AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0' not found 
in library

...aclocal patches
..autoconf
configure:46532: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0
   If this token and others are legitimate, please use 
m4_pattern_allow.

   See the Autoconf documentation.
configure:46533: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR
autoconf failed

And the fix is?

build-essential., debhejper and friends are installed.


As far as I learned from Chris Hassell, the new packaging scripts should 
build packages for Debian with:


./packaging/deb/buildpkg

I am trying that for the branch "tag-community-3.5.2" right now in a 
Debian-11.4-VM.


There is quite a list of needed packages to install, Chris told me:

gcc g++ binutils gettext libtool autoconf automake bison flex swig 
libglib2.0-dev libjson-glib-1.0 libjson-glib-dev libssl-dev 
libcurl4-openssl-dev libncurses5-dev libreadline-dev perl-base 
perl-modules libcpanplus-perl libio-socket-ssl-perl libswitch-perl 
bsd-mailx mtx procps smbclient dump gnuplot-nox xinetd


and some extra:

xsltproc build-essential debhelper fakeroot dpkg-dev dh-make-perl git 
make gawk grep tar passwd


pressing SEND now, my build is still running

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 29.07.22 um 04:11 schrieb Pavan Raj:

Hello Everyone,

We at Zmanda are pleased to announce the 3.5.2 release of Amanda Community.

URL: http://www.amanda.org/download.php 



https://www.zmanda.com/downloads/

lists packages for Debian-9.9 (for example)

That isn't very helpful when Debian is at 11.4 currently.

Please provide usable packages for current distributions, not everyone 
wants to build software from source code.

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[gene heskett]

On 8/2/22 01:40, Winston Sorfleet wrote:

Much appreciated José, count me in as a beta tester.



Me too, but its been a while and this is a fairly fresh bullseye 
install, and autogen

complains mightily, and quickly.

gene@coyote:~/src/amanda-tag-community-3.5.2$ ./autogen
See DEVELOPING for instructions on updating:
 * gettext macros
 * gnulib
 * libtool files
..creating file lists
..aclocal
config/amanda/libs.m4:160: warning: macro 'AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0' not found 
in library

...aclocal patches
..autoconf
configure:46532: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GLIB_2_0
  If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
  See the Autoconf documentation.
configure:46533: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR
autoconf failed

And the fix is?

build-essential., debhejper and friends are installed.


On 2022-08-02 1:27 a.m., Jose M Calhariz wrote:

On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 06:50:15PM +0100, Jose M Calhariz wrote:

On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 10:55:40AM +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

Am 29.07.22 um 04:11 schrieb Pavan Raj:

Hello Everyone,

We at Zmanda are pleased to announce the 3.5.2 release of Amanda
Community.

Nice to hear ...

anyone touched that yet?

Looking forward to that release packaged for Debian (most of my
amanda-servers run Debian Linux).

Give me sometime to prepare non oficial Debian source packages for
Debian 11 and 10, so you can easily build for your servers. This time
I would like some reports of success with 3.5.2 before upload an
official package to Debian unstable.

I have problems with the autotools to compile amanda 3.5.2 for a
pre-offcial package for Debian, with alot of warnings about deprecated
macros.  I will work on this.




On gentoo I am afraid I have to try to come up with an ebuild 
myself for now

(even the 3.6 beta doesn't come with an ebuild yet).






Kind regards
Jose M Calhariz


Kind regards
Jose M Calhariz




.



Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Winston Sorfleet]

Much appreciated José, count me in as a beta tester.

On 2022-08-02 1:27 a.m., Jose M Calhariz wrote:

On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 06:50:15PM +0100, Jose M Calhariz wrote:

On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 10:55:40AM +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

Am 29.07.22 um 04:11 schrieb Pavan Raj:

Hello Everyone,

We at Zmanda are pleased to announce the 3.5.2 release of Amanda
Community.

Nice to hear ...

anyone touched that yet?

Looking forward to that release packaged for Debian (most of my
amanda-servers run Debian Linux).

Give me sometime to prepare non oficial Debian source packages for
Debian 11 and 10, so you can easily build for your servers.  This time
I would like some reports of success with 3.5.2 before upload an
official package to Debian unstable.

I have problems with the autotools to compile amanda 3.5.2 for a
pre-offcial package for Debian, with alot of warnings about deprecated
macros.  I will work on this.





On gentoo I am afraid I have to try to come up with an ebuild myself for now
(even the 3.6 beta doesn't come with an ebuild yet).






Kind regards
Jose M Calhariz


Kind regards
Jose M Calhariz

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Jose M Calhariz]

On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 06:50:15PM +0100, Jose M Calhariz wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 10:55:40AM +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> > Am 29.07.22 um 04:11 schrieb Pavan Raj:
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > > 
> > > We at Zmanda are pleased to announce the 3.5.2 release of Amanda
> > > Community.
> > 
> > Nice to hear ...
> > 
> > anyone touched that yet?
> > 
> > Looking forward to that release packaged for Debian (most of my
> > amanda-servers run Debian Linux).
> 
> Give me sometime to prepare non oficial Debian source packages for
> Debian 11 and 10, so you can easily build for your servers.  This time
> I would like some reports of success with 3.5.2 before upload an
> official package to Debian unstable.

I have problems with the autotools to compile amanda 3.5.2 for a
pre-offcial package for Debian, with alot of warnings about deprecated
macros.  I will work on this.

> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > On gentoo I am afraid I have to try to come up with an ebuild myself for now
> > (even the 3.6 beta doesn't come with an ebuild yet).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Kind regards
> Jose M Calhariz
> 

Kind regards
Jose M Calhariz



-- 
--
Não há fatos, só interpretações.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Jose M Calhariz]

On Mon, Aug 01, 2022 at 10:55:40AM +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 29.07.22 um 04:11 schrieb Pavan Raj:
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > We at Zmanda are pleased to announce the 3.5.2 release of Amanda
> > Community.
> 
> Nice to hear ...
> 
> anyone touched that yet?
> 
> Looking forward to that release packaged for Debian (most of my
> amanda-servers run Debian Linux).

Give me sometime to prepare non oficial Debian source packages for
Debian 11 and 10, so you can easily build for your servers.  This time
I would like some reports of success with 3.5.2 before upload an
official package to Debian unstable.



> 
> On gentoo I am afraid I have to try to come up with an ebuild myself for now
> (even the 3.6 beta doesn't come with an ebuild yet).
> 
> 
> 
> 


Kind regards
Jose M Calhariz

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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived!

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 29.07.22 um 04:11 schrieb Pavan Raj:

Hello Everyone,

We at Zmanda are pleased to announce the 3.5.2 release of Amanda
Community.


Nice to hear ...

anyone touched that yet?

Looking forward to that release packaged for Debian (most of my 
amanda-servers run Debian Linux).


On gentoo I am afraid I have to try to come up with an ebuild myself for 
now (even the 3.6 beta doesn't come with an ebuild yet).