Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[gene heskett]

On 9/30/22 02:32, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

Am 29.09.22 um 02:03 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 16:11:15 -0400, Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote:

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 17:29:41 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

I received:

"Your message to chris.hass...@betsol.com couldn't be delivered.

Chris.Hassell wasn't found at betsol.com."


(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully 
the

bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
server...(?) )


Ack -- I just discovered that my 9/13 test message did result in a
bounce message after all.  (The bounce message went to my spam
folder.)

I tried again just now, and his email address still bounced.

So it would seem that Chris is indeed no longer at Betsol  :(


Ah, that's bad. So again no more direct upstream contact at Betsol.

Still no packages provided by them for 3.5.2, still no activity at the 
Github-issues, etc etc


Sad.

Let's see who follows.

Thanks for the test, Nathan.

What follows is a four letter word.  fork. The question is how do we pay 
for a continuation of a better way to
do effective backups. And who is to be "in charge". IOW, do we let it 
fade away into the sunset for lack of
adequate support, or do we who have benefited from it, step up to the 
plate and make it a DIY project.


TANSTAAFL is the operative keyword here.  So who gets the bill for lunch?

.



Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 29.09.22 um 02:03 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 16:11:15 -0400, Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote:

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 17:29:41 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

I received:

"Your message to chris.hass...@betsol.com couldn't be delivered.

Chris.Hassell wasn't found at betsol.com."


(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
server...(?) )


Ack -- I just discovered that my 9/13 test message did result in a
bounce message after all.  (The bounce message went to my spam
folder.)

I tried again just now, and his email address still bounced.

So it would seem that Chris is indeed no longer at Betsol  :(


Ah, that's bad. So again no more direct upstream contact at Betsol.

Still no packages provided by them for 3.5.2, still no activity at the 
Github-issues, etc etc


Sad.

Let's see who follows.

Thanks for the test, Nathan.

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 16:11:15 -0400, Nathan Stratton Treadway wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 17:29:41 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> > I received:
> > 
> > "Your message to chris.hass...@betsol.com couldn't be delivered.
> > 
> > Chris.Hassell wasn't found at betsol.com."
> 
> (I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
> accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
> any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
> bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
> server...(?) )

Ack -- I just discovered that my 9/13 test message did result in a
bounce message after all.  (The bounce message went to my spam
folder.)

I tried again just now, and his email address still bounced.

So it would seem that Chris is indeed no longer at Betsol  :(

Nathan



Nathan Stratton Treadway  -  natha...@ontko.com  -  Mid-Atlantic region
Ray Ontko & Co.  -  Software consulting services  -   http://www.ontko.com/
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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[gene heskett]

On 9/15/22 03:08, Diego Zuccato wrote:

Il 14/09/2022 19:00, gene heskett ha scritto:

Waiting for 2T SSD's to become affordable, if they ever do.Depends on 
your definition of "affordable".


I bought 2 2TB NVMes at about 300€ each... But SSDs and NVMes have a 
quite "limited" life. Look at TBW numbers. Many SSDs and NVMes have 
some cache RAM for sectors that get rewritten very often, but backups 
tendo to be sequential so the cache is nearly useless. Once upon a 
time there were flash-backed ramdrives: controller + RAM + SSD + 
battery, all the flash contents fitted in the RAM, so the flash was 
never written unless the battery got discharged enough. Safe 
assumption: battery dicharging = host off = no ongoing writes. 
Needless to say the cost was really high and they where usually 
reserved for (parts of) databases.


This is where one needs to over-provision.  As an example, I have 
several rpi4 sized rigs
doing dedicated jobs. Using 8GB cards that were over 50% used got me 
card failures quick
enough to get my attention. These cards have internal housekeeping we 
can't see, designed
to equalize the wear. So as an experiment the next card I composed for 
the rpi4 was a 64Gigger.
This card gets way more than normal read/write traffic as it runs 
linuxcnc master, which is
updated several times a week as development goes on. That card, and the 
cards in 2 more
rock64's have been trouble free, the rpi4 for 4 years now, and my theory 
says its because
they are way over-provisioned, the card has room to do its housekeeping 
with zero outward
signs to let me know it is doing anything. Disk usage tools like df show 
no loss of capacity, yet
in a typical week up to 3 gigs of it is wiped and rewritten. And has 
been since raspian wheezy
on an rpi3. Same card. kernels and linuxcnc from git pulls, but that 
gets done on a 240G SSD
plugged into a usb adaptor with only the results being written to the 
u-sd. But the 240G is

now at 50% used. How much longer will it last? IDK.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Diego Zuccato]

Il 14/09/2022 19:00, gene heskett ha scritto:


Waiting for 2T SSD's to become affordable, if they ever do.Depends on your definition of 
"affordable".


I bought 2 2TB NVMes at about 300€ each... But SSDs and NVMes have a 
quite "limited" life. Look at TBW numbers. Many SSDs and NVMes have some 
cache RAM for sectors that get rewritten very often, but backups tendo 
to be sequential so the cache is nearly useless. Once upon a time there 
were flash-backed ramdrives: controller + RAM + SSD + battery, all the 
flash contents fitted in the RAM, so the flash was never written unless 
the battery got discharged enough. Safe assumption: battery dicharging = 
host off = no ongoing writes. Needless to say the cost was really high 
and they where usually reserved for (parts of) databases.


--
Diego Zuccato
DIFA - Dip. di Fisica e Astronomia
Servizi Informatici
Alma Mater Studiorum - Università di Bologna
V.le Berti-Pichat 6/2 - 40127 Bologna - Italy
tel.: +39 051 20 95786

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[gene heskett]

Greetings all;

On 9/14/22 07:39, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:

Am 13.09.22 um 22:11 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:


(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
server...(?) )


Interesting, thanks for testing.

Did you get a reply already?

Would be great to know if someone at Betsol is responding to the 
community, and when we see installable packages from them.


.
That hasn't happened in a mailing list like time frame yet, typically a 
month or so.
That says amanda is nowhere near the front burner at Betsol. As an 
amanda user since
about the late 1998 time frame, I lament the day that the University of 
Maryland sold it

all those years ago.

I haven't restarted it since both 2T drives I'd just installed went tits 
down in the
night about 2 weeks apart last October. I will not stop berating seagate 
for the
cause of that debacle, an experiment in flying heads closer to the disk 
by filling
the drives with helium. In my day, any 8th grader knew you can't keep 
helium,
its small enough it walks thru a monel bottle, losing about 10% of it 
overnight.
The drives both failed when enough air got into the drive to raise the 
flying height

of the heads beyond where they could read or write the disks rust coating.
Here, there are no more spinning rust drives, Samsung SSD's are 5x 
faster. But
/home is now a separate controller with 4 1T Samsung drives in a raid-10 
config.
And I've yet to order 4 more, and another controller for use as amanda 
vtapes.


Waiting for 2T SSD's to become affordable, if they ever do.

Take care & stay well everybody.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 13:32:08 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> Am 13.09.22 um 22:11 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:
> 
> >(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
> >accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
> >any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
> >bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
> >server...(?) )
> 
> Interesting, thanks for testing.
> 
> Did you get a reply already?

No, I haven't received any reply... (but also have not received any
bounce message).

> Would be great to know if someone at Betsol is responding to the
> community, and when we see installable packages from them.

(Yep, agreed.)

Nathan

Nathan Stratton Treadway  -  natha...@ontko.com  -  Mid-Atlantic region
Ray Ontko & Co.  -  Software consulting services  -   http://www.ontko.com/
 GPG Key: http://www.ontko.com/~nathanst/gpg_key.txt   ID: 1023D/ECFB6239
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Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 13.09.22 um 22:11 schrieb Nathan Stratton Treadway:


(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
server...(?) )


Interesting, thanks for testing.

Did you get a reply already?

Would be great to know if someone at Betsol is responding to the 
community, and when we see installable packages from them.

Re: New Amanda Community release 3.5.2 Has Arrived! -- email bounce

[Nathan Stratton Treadway]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 17:29:41 +0200, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote:
> I received:
> 
> "Your message to chris.hass...@betsol.com couldn't be delivered.
> 
> Chris.Hassell wasn't found at betsol.com."

(I just tried sending email to this email address.  My message was
accepted for delivery by the Betsol mail server, and I haven't received
any bounce message back [after waiting a few minutes].  So hopefully the
bounce you saw was just a temporary misconfiguration on the Betsol mail
server...(?) )

Nathan 


Nathan Stratton Treadway  -  natha...@ontko.com  -  Mid-Atlantic region
Ray Ontko & Co.  -  Software consulting services  -   http://www.ontko.com/
 GPG Key: http://www.ontko.com/~nathanst/gpg_key.txt   ID: 1023D/ECFB6239
 Key fingerprint = 6AD8 485E 20B9 5C71 231C  0C32 15F3 ADCD ECFB 6239