[amsat-bb] Discovery Channel - How do they do it?

2009-08-13 Thread Trevor .
SSTL  DMCii are scheduled to be featured on Discovery Channel’s ‘How Do They 
Do It?’ programme on Wednesday 26th August at 8pm, followed by a US version on 
Science Channel in early September, see 

http://www.southgatearc.org/news/august2009/how_do_they_do_it.htm 

73 Trevor M5AKA
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[amsat-bb] Re: Logging software or HRD for Linux

2009-08-13 Thread James French
Eric,

What 'flavor' (version of Linux are you running?

I am running Ubuntu 8.04 amd64 here.

I run the following:
FLDIGI - psk
gMFSK - psk
Gnome PREDICT - Satellite Tracking
WSJT - Meteor scatter/EME
xLog - Logging for VHF+ contests
GRIG - Radio control - Icom IC-820/910/275h/575h/1275/375h

I have also had luck in running a few program (Propnet, Echolink,
MMSSTV) under Wine. Wine seems to have matured at least under Ubuntu
as I have not had luck in the past configuring it correctly. I have
not tried HRD yet as I don't need all that function yet.

James W8ISS

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[amsat-bb] Re: rotator questions

2009-08-13 Thread Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF
How about aiming for maximum receiver noise? That should be even more accurate.

Greg Wrote:  and then adjust the antenna so the shadow falls directly down 
the antenna boom.
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[amsat-bb] Re: Yaesu FT857/897 on satellites

2009-08-13 Thread Howard Kowall
Good Morning John
I use a FT897D for satellite and also a FT817 for Full Duplex operation
I use them together so I can hear myself on the downlink (which is the 
proper way to do it).
It receives the satellite fine(both rigs)but I would not consider the Ft897D 
a upgrade or vise versa,the best upgrade to do as a first thing is the 
antenna and cable and quality connectors.The draw back that I don't like on 
the Yaesu rigs is that the cat system cannot work during transmit,so Doppler 
is not corrected when you transmit and can be a bit of a pain when trying to 
setup your software for calibration.Its not to big of a deal and you can 
work around it.I personal believe that upgrading to any one of the multi 
band and multi mode rigs wont show any improvement.I have learnt allot from 
this board over this year and I live buy this  rule (High Gain Low Loss).If 
I had an Icom and I wanted to buy another rig to run full duplex,I would buy 
a Icom,just for the fact that I mentioned above about Doppler correction and 
calibration.In order to upgrade your transceiver it  is best to buy a rig 
that is design for satellite operation (IC910H,TS2000,FT897D,FT736R,etc)
this is just my personal opinion.
Good Luck
Howard
VE4ISP
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From: John Geiger aa...@yahoo.com
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org; ya...@mailman.qth.net; ft...@yahoogroups.com; 
ft...@yahoogroups.com; ft-...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:57 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FT857/897 on satellites


 Is anyone on the list using a Yaesu FT897 or FT857 on the LEO satellites 
 (both FM and SSB)?  I am currently using an Icom 706MKIIG with pretty good 
 results, but have been thinking about upgrading to a Yaesu FT897D or 
 maybe a FT857D.  I have used some Yaesu rigs on the sats before and the 
 706MKIIG seems to hear them better, especially AO27.

 I don't have a big setup-Cushcraft dualband yagi (5 elements on each band) 
 with no elevation, so signals are not rockcrushing from the satellites. 
 The QST reviews show that the Icom has better sensitivity on 70cm SSB (MDS 
 of -143 vs -139 dbm) and on FM (.16 vs .21 microvolts) but are those 
 differences really meaningful?  Do the 897 and 857 still receive the sats 
 really good with a minimal setup?

 73s John AA5JG




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[amsat-bb] Re: Yaesu FT857/897 on satellites

2009-08-13 Thread Howard Kowall
Sorry the list of rigs should read FT847 not FT897D
sorry about that
Howard
VE4ISP
- Original Message - 
From: Howard Kowall hkow...@shaw.ca
To: John Geiger aa...@yahoo.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:21 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Yaesu FT857/897 on satellites


 Good Morning John
 I use a FT897D for satellite and also a FT817 for Full Duplex operation
 I use them together so I can hear myself on the downlink (which is the
 proper way to do it).
 It receives the satellite fine(both rigs)but I would not consider the 
 Ft897D
 a upgrade or vise versa,the best upgrade to do as a first thing is the
 antenna and cable and quality connectors.The draw back that I don't like 
 on
 the Yaesu rigs is that the cat system cannot work during transmit,so 
 Doppler
 is not corrected when you transmit and can be a bit of a pain when trying 
 to
 setup your software for calibration.Its not to big of a deal and you can
 work around it.I personal believe that upgrading to any one of the multi
 band and multi mode rigs wont show any improvement.I have learnt allot 
 from
 this board over this year and I live buy this  rule (High Gain Low 
 Loss).If
 I had an Icom and I wanted to buy another rig to run full duplex,I would 
 buy
 a Icom,just for the fact that I mentioned above about Doppler correction 
 and
 calibration.In order to upgrade your transceiver it  is best to buy a rig
 that is design for satellite operation (IC910H,TS2000,FT897D,FT736R,etc)
 this is just my personal opinion.
 Good Luck
 Howard
 VE4ISP
 - Original Message - 
 From: John Geiger aa...@yahoo.com
 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org; ya...@mailman.qth.net; 
 ft...@yahoogroups.com;
 ft...@yahoogroups.com; ft-...@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:57 PM
 Subject: [amsat-bb] Yaesu FT857/897 on satellites


 Is anyone on the list using a Yaesu FT897 or FT857 on the LEO satellites
 (both FM and SSB)?  I am currently using an Icom 706MKIIG with pretty 
 good
 results, but have been thinking about upgrading to a Yaesu FT897D or
 maybe a FT857D.  I have used some Yaesu rigs on the sats before and the
 706MKIIG seems to hear them better, especially AO27.

 I don't have a big setup-Cushcraft dualband yagi (5 elements on each 
 band)
 with no elevation, so signals are not rockcrushing from the satellites.
 The QST reviews show that the Icom has better sensitivity on 70cm SSB 
 (MDS
 of -143 vs -139 dbm) and on FM (.16 vs .21 microvolts) but are those
 differences really meaningful?  Do the 897 and 857 still receive the sats
 really good with a minimal setup?

 73s John AA5JG




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[amsat-bb] tracker

2009-08-13 Thread Jerry
 Hi: Does any one out there have interest in my AEA ST-1 satellite Tracker


 If some one is interested contact me by e-mail  off the amsat
site

w0...@msn.com

 

 Jerry w0sat

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[amsat-bb] Re: rotator questions

2009-08-13 Thread i8cvs
Hi Nigel, G8IFF/W8IFF

You are right

Aiming the antenna for maximum receiver Sun noise is the best method
because the antenna pattern can be affected by some squint angle and not
be perfectly aligned with the boom but receiving Noise from the Sun in
2 meters and 70 cm implies a very high antenna gain and a very low overall
receiving Noise Figure with a very low Antenna temperature.

By the way at microwave such as 2400 MHz it is possible to receive the Sun
Noise using a modest dish diameter even when the Sun activity is low as
actually with around 67 sfu at 2800 MHz (10.7 cm)

See here:

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/indices/DSD.txt

I use this method with my 1.2 meter dish 27 dBi at 2400 MHz and an overall
receiving Noise Figure of 1 dB equivalent to a Noise Temperature of 75
kelvin

With the above dish and receiver I actually get a Sun Noise of about 3.5 dB
of (S+N)/N wich is easily readible on the S meter or better using an AC
Voltmeter connected to the audio output of receiver.

Using a tracking program and aiming the dish for maximum Sun Noise
it is possible to calibrate the AZ and EL angle of the control box for the
through reference Sun position in the sky.

In addition repeating time to time the above procedure and knowing the
actual Sun's sfu it is possible to monitor the state of healt of our
receiving system.

By the way without an HEO satellite using 2400 MHz the above procedure
is as well a little and interesting Radioastronomy exercise.

Best 73 de

i8CVS Domenico

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To: Greg D. ko6th_g...@hotmail.com
Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org; n...@lavabit.com
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: rotator questions


 How about aiming for maximum receiver noise? That should be even more
accurate.

 Greg Wrote:  and then adjust the antenna so the shadow falls directly
down the antenna boom.
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[amsat-bb] Re: rotator questions

2009-08-13 Thread n0jy
Yes that's a good point, I'm not encouraging anyone to go on their roof at
night, in fact I would heartily discourage it for the sake of safety. 
What I intended to mean was, I looked at Polaris at night, got the
difference from the way my house/roof points, then took that protractor up
to the roof during daylight to tweak the antennas.  And as you also
mention, a couple of degrees isn't going to make a lot of difference
unless you are using some extremely narrow beamwidth antennas, so the fact
that Polaris is actually about 2 degrees right of how my house points to
the north is not of importance in my opinion.  I positioned the antennas
to point along the lines of the house and it works fine.

Jerry


 The only problem using Polaris, or most any star for that matter, is that
 the only time you're going to see it is when it's too dark to go climbing
 up the roof or tower to adjust the antenna.  I use the one star that is
 always visible during the day, the Sun.


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[amsat-bb] Antenna pointing

2009-08-13 Thread john heath
Hi,

I agree with the comments that  high degrees of pointing accuracy are not 
required for satellite work. 
However, if you are super keen to improve your pointing accuracy then you may 
like to consider the modern version of the bore sight method.

A bore sight is basically a length of tube, you look through, you only get a 
view of the target when you are accuratly lined up with it. The longer the tube 
the greater the pointing accuracy.

For an antenna boom mounted bore sight I used about six inches of  15mm copper 
water pipe with a stop end soldered onto it. I drilled a 1/8 hole in the stop 
end and  fixed  a light dependant resistor in the eye end Attached to the 
boom and ran wires to the shack where I had a battery and voltmeter.

Point your antenna at where the Sun should be then hunt backwards and 
forwards, up and down until you see a peak reading on the meter = the sun.
Its a bit of work but the benefit of this method is that its on the tower and 
you can check it anytime the Sun is out.

Practical problems, waterproofing and true alignment to the boom.

It was a lot of work but a fun project, eventially destroyed by water 
penetration.

73 John G7HIA
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[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna pointing

2009-08-13 Thread Larry Gerhardstein
I use a plumb bob and plumb line.  When north star is first visible, I 
use these to determine true north on my horizon.  I then create in my 
mind a picture of where that point is on the horizon.  Then during 
daytime, I adjust antenna to point at that point on the horizon.  A 
south-north road near my QTH is aligned with the same horizon point.

Larry W7IN

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[amsat-bb] DM19 Activated Aug 17

2009-08-13 Thread Mark Spencer
I will activate grid DM19 (smack in the middle of NV) on August 17th during
the 2130Z AO27 pass (approximate).  (It must be a rare grid because even
WD9EWK says he needs the grid!)  There is a ghost town out there that I will
visit on my way to AZ.   I'll be on my HT and an ARROW.  If you need a QSL
for the contact, just send me an e-mail, I'll confirm with the log and send
you a card.  No need for SASE or return card.

 

I have a shameless request.  I only need New Hampshire to complete my WAS
satellite.  Anyone in NH interested in setting up a schedule on any bird,
any mode?  I have a granite challenge to me east (a mountain) that limits
the pass opportunities to reach the east coast, but I know I can because I
have confirmed contacts with the rest of New England.

 

Hope the DM19 grid will increase your totals.

 

73, Mark

 

Mark Spencer, WA8SME

ARRL-The national association for Amateur Radio

Education and Technology Program Coordinator

mspen...@arrl.org

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/tbp/

530-495-9150

 

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[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna pointing

2009-08-13 Thread Tim Lilley
John and all,

I mean no disrespect, and I'll apologize now if what follows offends you or 
anyone. I agree - to a point - about pointing accuracy. Let's face it - of the 
three FM satellites currently available to us, SO-50 is the largest target we 
have. It is a 35mm (13.78-inch) cube. We're shooting signals at it from 
hundreds of miles away, so even the most accurate of pointing likely is a 
little of dead-center ... hihi.

That fact notiwthstanding, however, I remain convinced that each individual 
station has its own sensitivity to pointing accuracy relative to effective 
communications. Stations running relatively high power levels and 
well-calibrated motorized antenna systems likely can be less accurate and still 
be effective. I don't believe I and others enjoy that luxury when we set out to 
work the satellites on handheld stations running lower power levels - in some 
cases, much lower power levels.

The International Space Station provides at least a partial illustration. Here, 
I don't worry about Doppler tuning with the ISS because (1) it's orbit is lower 
(thus, it's closer) and (2) its radio runs significantly more power than any of 
our other smateur satellites. Even at a low power setting of 5 watts out, it 
is 20x more powerful than SO-50 and 10x more powerful than AO-27. I don't have 
to be as careful with pointing or Doppler tuning to enjoy a good experience on 
an ISS pass. Not so when trying to capture and keep, for example, AO-27's 
half-watt signal.

Before I started working the amateur satellites about 14 months ago, I had 
spent several years enjoying visible passes of the ISS whenever I could. As I 
learned of the available amateur satellites and decided to give them a try with 
a handheld station, it became apparent to me very quickly that my practice on 
the ISS would be helpful. I use a compass to match AOS/mid-pass/LOS positions 
with known landmarks here, and then I visualize how a satellite will arc across 
the sky relative to my location on a given pass. I believe that has improved my 
pointing accuracy significantly, and I further believe that accuracy makes a 
difference at times in whether I make a successful contact. 

This morning on AO-51, I made contacts with KB1RVT in Maine and WA3SWJ in 
Maryland. Those contacts provided the 29th and 30th states I have worked on the 
FM satellites using my Yaesu VX-7R HT set at 50 milliwatts (.05-watt) output. I 
have used either an Arrow dual-band yagi or my current Elk dual-band log 
periodic to make all of those flea power contacts. I don't believe any would 
have been possible without pointing and tracking that is as accurate as I can 
make it, given my hand-holding and manual tracking.

That being said, I believe your creation of an antenna bore sight is an 
outstandning idea - one that will help anyone improve the effectiveness of 
stations using tower/mast-mounted antennas with motorized Az/El rotation 
systems. Congratulations on that, and thank you for sharing it with the BB.

73 to all,

Tim - N3TL
Athens, Ga. - EM84ha





From: john heath g7...@btinternet.com
To: amsat amsat-bb@amsat.org
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:16:33 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Antenna pointing

Hi,

I agree with the comments that  high degrees of pointing accuracy are not 
required for satellite work. 
However, if you are super keen to improve your pointing accuracy then you may 
like to consider the modern version of the bore sight method.

A bore sight is basically a length of tube, you look through, you only get a 
view of the target when you are accuratly lined up with it. The longer the tube 
the greater the pointing accuracy.

For an antenna boom mounted bore sight I used about six inches of  15mm copper 
water pipe with a stop end soldered onto it. I drilled a 1/8 hole in the stop 
end and  fixed  a light dependant resistor in the eye end Attached to the 
boom and ran wires to the shack where I had a battery and voltmeter.

Point your antenna at where the Sun should be then hunt backwards and 
forwards, up and down until you see a peak reading on the meter = the sun.
Its a bit of work but the benefit of this method is that its on the tower and 
you can check it anytime the Sun is out.

Practical problems, waterproofing and true alignment to the boom.

It was a lot of work but a fun project, eventially destroyed by water 
penetration.

73 John G7HIA
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[amsat-bb] Re: WD9EWK cards arrived today!!!!!!

2009-08-13 Thread Allen Vinegar
Thanks Patrick, mine arrived today! Quite impressed with your personal postage 
stamp!!!

73,
Al W8KHP
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[amsat-bb] Re: DM19 Activated Aug 17

2009-08-13 Thread Dave Webb KB1PVH
 Mark, 

If there are no NH stations that get in touch with you, I live 5 minutes from 
the NH border and I can make the trip over the border to help with your WAS. 


Dave   KB1PVH


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:42:10 
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb]  DM19 Activated Aug 17


I will activate grid DM19 (smack in the middle of NV) on August 17th during
the 2130Z AO27 pass (approximate).  (It must be a rare grid because even
WD9EWK says he needs the grid!)  There is a ghost town out there that I will
visit on my way to AZ.   I'll be on my HT and an ARROW.  If you need a QSL
for the contact, just send me an e-mail, I'll confirm with the log and send
you a card.  No need for SASE or return card.

 

I have a shameless request.  I only need New Hampshire to complete my WAS
satellite.  Anyone in NH interested in setting up a schedule on any bird,
any mode?  I have a granite challenge to me east (a mountain) that limits
the pass opportunities to reach the east coast, but I know I can because I
have confirmed contacts with the rest of New England.

 

Hope the DM19 grid will increase your totals.

 

73, Mark

 

Mark Spencer, WA8SME

ARRL-The national association for Amateur Radio

Education and Technology Program Coordinator

mspen...@arrl.org

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/tbp/

530-495-9150

 

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[amsat-bb] Re: DM19 Activated Aug 17

2009-08-13 Thread Larry Teran

 
  Mark, 
 
 If there are no NH stations that get in touch with you, I live 5 minutes from 
 the NH border and I can make the trip over the border to help with your 
 WAS. 
 
 
 Dave   KB1PVH

Let me know if you make any arrangements, I will be glad to work you from there 
too!!!
73's KI6YAA Larry 
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Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you.
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[amsat-bb] GeneSat-1

2009-08-13 Thread Mike Rupprecht
downlink frequency has changed - now on 437.0695 MHz

20090813183201,KE7EGCUNDEF,TELEM,qAR,DK3WN-2:GeneSat1.orgE4242E15011600
270069008F0A4E132C1F0013923005
20090813183206,KE7EGCUNDEF,TELEM,qAR,DK3WN-2:GeneSat1.orgE9242E8A00B600
040027006900013F029A8136C4F21CDC1F
20090813183211,KE7EGCUNDEF,TELEM,qAR,DK3WN-2:GeneSat1.orgEE242E5A01
2700690001F31930581C2830054002
20090813183226,KE7EGCUNDEF,TELEM,qAR,DK3WN-2:GeneSat1.orgFD242E02003E01
270068007802351A2C4F021AC61D1E
20090813183236,KE7EGCUNDEF,TELEM,qAR,DK3WN-2:GeneSat1.org07252E21010B00
270069008FEC02C5070B30C102761D
20090813183309,KE7EGCUNDEF,TELEM,qAR,DK3WN-2:GeneSat1.org11252E02003901
280068008F4F4B1C1EF8FC1C30023D

 

73, Mike

DK3WN

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[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna pointing

2009-08-13 Thread john heath
Hi Tim and the list,

Thanks for the kind comments.

Its not my original idea.
I picked it up years ago, possibly from  Amsat-UK's journal OSCAR News, or 
possibly eleswhere.

Just happy to pass it on. Someone may find it usefull, or suggest a 
better/simpler implimentation of the same basic idea.

73 John G7HIA
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[amsat-bb] Re: rotator questions

2009-08-13 Thread Daniel Schultz
To find true north at your QTH:

Go to
http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astronomical-applications/data-services/rs-one-day-us

Enter your nearest city and state into the menu

If you prefer to enter latitude and longitude, or if you are outside of the
USA, go to
http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astronomical-applications/data-services/rs-one-day-world

You will get a chart like this for your location:

Thursday
13 August 2009Eastern Daylight Time 

SUN
Begin civil twilight   5:50 a.m.
Sunrise6:19 a.m.
Sun transit1:12 p.m.
Sunset 8:05 p.m.
End civil twilight 8:33 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise  11:04 p.m. on preceding day
Moon transit   6:29 a.m.
Moonset2:04 p.m.
Moonrise  11:44 p.m.
Moonset3:13 p.m. on following day

Make a note of the Sun transit time. Set your watch by WWV or some other
reliable time source. Drive a stake in the ground (use a plumb line to make
sure it is vertical). Go outside at the exact moment of the sun transit, at
that time the shadow of the stake (or your tower if it is vertical) will be
true north. Mark the ground at that exact time.

Dan Schultz N8FGV



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[amsat-bb] Re: rotator questions

2009-08-13 Thread jmfranke
Or go to:

http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astronomical-applications/data-services/alt-az-us

enter your location and get the azimuth of the Sun for every 10 minutes so you 
do not have to worry as much about clouds or trees, etc.

John WA4WDL


 Daniel Schultz n8...@usa.net wrote: 
 To find true north at your QTH:
 
 Go to
 http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astronomical-applications/data-services/rs-one-day-us
 
 Enter your nearest city and state into the menu
 
 If you prefer to enter latitude and longitude, or if you are outside of the
 USA, go to
 http://www.usno.navy.mil/USNO/astronomical-applications/data-services/rs-one-day-world
 
 You will get a chart like this for your location:
 
 Thursday
 13 August 2009Eastern Daylight Time 
 
   SUN
 Begin civil twilight   5:50 a.m.
 Sunrise6:19 a.m.
 Sun transit1:12 p.m.
 Sunset 8:05 p.m.
 End civil twilight 8:33 p.m.
 
   MOON
 Moonrise  11:04 p.m. on preceding day
 Moon transit   6:29 a.m.
 Moonset2:04 p.m.
 Moonrise  11:44 p.m.
 Moonset3:13 p.m. on following day
 
 Make a note of the Sun transit time. Set your watch by WWV or some other
 reliable time source. Drive a stake in the ground (use a plumb line to make
 sure it is vertical). Go outside at the exact moment of the sun transit, at
 that time the shadow of the stake (or your tower if it is vertical) will be
 true north. Mark the ground at that exact time.
 
 Dan Schultz N8FGV
 
 
 
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[amsat-bb] Orbitron-Wispdde rotor control

2009-08-13 Thread Gary Lockhart
All,
I've been trying to get my pair of U-100 rotors under automatic control from a 
modified version of KO6TH AZ/EL Rotor Control program for a couple of months 
and have come up against a show stopper to get AZ/EL data from Orbitron on the 
serial port to load into a BS2. The BS2 loads programs and will display static 
data into a 2-line LCD display with no problem. It seems to be just the 
Wisp-DDE data is not recognized and stored. I have tried the original WispDDE 
and the Orbitron-Wispdde code AD5JN put out on the web but neither seem to 
work. I've disconnected the ATN line on the program-serial cable when trying 
receive data from the serial port but still no joy. I am sure this will work if 
I knew what I am doing wrong. 
Thanks for your attention, Gary AB3ID
Snow Hill, MD   



  
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