[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
On Mar 3, 6:52 am, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: My point is simply this: getting actual support or answers for legitimate issues relating to the Android Market is nigh impossible - regardless of the channel one goes through. Meanwhile a thread with the threat of being spammed gets the attention of 4 Googlers. Pathetically, this thread has received more Google attention than anything in the Market Support forum, whether the responders have anything to do with the Market or not. Running naked through the Google campus with your hair on fire and I /3 ANDEROID MARKT tattooed across your back would have gotten a *lot* of attention from a *lot* of googlers. I'm not sure that's the best metric for success. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Running naked through the Google campus with your hair on fire and I /3 ANDEROID MARKT tattooed across your back would have gotten a *lot* of attention from a *lot* of googlers. I'm not sure that's the best metric for success. I'm sure more than one of us would be willing to do that if it meant more support... On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:24 PM, fadden fad...@android.com wrote: On Mar 3, 6:52 am, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: My point is simply this: getting actual support or answers for legitimate issues relating to the Android Market is nigh impossible - regardless of the channel one goes through. Meanwhile a thread with the threat of being spammed gets the attention of 4 Googlers. Pathetically, this thread has received more Google attention than anything in the Market Support forum, whether the responders have anything to do with the Market or not. Running naked through the Google campus with your hair on fire and I /3 ANDEROID MARKT tattooed across your back would have gotten a *lot* of attention from a *lot* of googlers. I'm not sure that's the best metric for success. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 2:24 PM, fadden fad...@android.com wrote: Running naked through the Google campus with your hair on fire and I /3 ANDEROID MARKT tattooed across your back would have gotten a *lot* of attention from a *lot* of googlers. Well there's an idea ... :D I'm not sure that's the best metric for success. I never claimed that you all responding was some kind of success - I think we can all agree this thread was overall rather pointless (in fact I said so early on). I'm simply pointing out the fact that 5 of you now have taken a few minutes of your time to comment on this thread and that that is so much more than we can expect regarding actual, legitimate issues concerning the Android Market. Yes, I realize none of you work on Market and I'm by no means trying to group you all with those idiots. So many of you are readily available to contribute to many threads and it's always appreciated. It's the fact that there's not even a single individual on the Market end of things that is willing or able to contribute to even the simplest of issues that has me so royally peeved. But whatever. I don't expect any of you to understand. I'm sure things are nice and cushy being on the inside. But man oh man if you could experience life as a lowly Android Devlepor for just one week you might start ranting and bitching as much as I do around here. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Yes it was really funny. But there is a grain of joke in every joke. On 2 мар, 23:38, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/3/2 JAlexoid (Aleksandr Panzin) jalex...@gmail.com H who do I really hate? Ironically, the fact that you have written this, makes it more obvious what a nightmare Android Market is at the moment. Can you explain that? I'm pretty sure she was joking, and I at least thought it was pretty funny. Something I would say =) - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Is there a list for Market similar to this one? On 3 мар, 08:12, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Do I not count as a response from Google? Oh you mean a response answering question about Market? As I said there, nobody from the Market team is on this list, so you shouldn't be surprised by not getting responses to questions that people on this list can't answer. The people here work on the platform, not on Market. We can't talk about what Market is doing. I believe all of the people who posted here have posted to other lists. Some of them are more likely to post to the open source lists, etc. On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:41 PM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: This recent threadhttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/threa... asking a simple question about the state of in-app billing has received no response from anyone at Google. This thread has received 4, 2 of which I, personally, have never even seen post before. This make me sad. =( - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Does http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market count? On Mar 3, 9:18 am, JAlexoid (Aleksandr Panzin) jalex...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a list for Market similar to this one? On 3 мар, 08:12, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Do I not count as a response from Google? Oh you mean a response answering question about Market? As I said there, nobody from the Market team is on this list, so you shouldn't be surprised by not getting responses to questions that people on this list can't answer. The people here work on the platform, not on Market. We can't talk about what Market is doing. I believe all of the people who posted here have posted to other lists. Some of them are more likely to post to the open source lists, etc. On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:41 PM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: This recent threadhttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/threa... asking a simple question about the state of in-app billing has received no response from anyone at Google. This thread has received 4, 2 of which I, personally, have never even seen post before. This make me sad. =( - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Support specialists are not developers. There is also a support forum for Android and Google Mobile, but I meant like it is here. Where developers are communicating on equal grounds, not Resuest Support/Wait For support/Get or Not Get support. On 3 мар, 11:40, Peter Sinnott psinn...@gmail.com wrote: Doeshttp://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Marketcount? On Mar 3, 9:18 am, JAlexoid (Aleksandr Panzin) jalex...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a list for Market similar to this one? On 3 мар, 08:12, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Do I not count as a response from Google? Oh you mean a response answering question about Market? As I said there, nobody from the Market team is on this list, so you shouldn't be surprised by not getting responses to questions that people on this list can't answer. The people here work on the platform, not on Market. We can't talk about what Market is doing. I believe all of the people who posted here have posted to other lists. Some of them are more likely to post to the open source lists, etc. On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:41 PM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: This recent threadhttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/threa... asking a simple question about the state of in-app billing has received no response from anyone at Google. This thread has received 4, 2 of which I, personally, have never even seen post before. This make me sad. =( - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Do I not count as a response from Google? Of course! Probably more so than most. However, you didn't respond to the thread I linked to, so my statement still stands. Oh you mean a response answering question about Market? As I said there, nobody from the Market team is on this list, so you shouldn't be surprised by not getting responses to questions that people on this list can't answer. Oh, I think you mean this thread, concerning being banned from the Market: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/cf94566a81affbfb Of course you are correct - this forum is not about the Market and, as you posted, questions should go to the Market Support Forum. Fair enough. So let's take a look over there, shall we? Here is the same question about the in-app billing not working: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=331d1590e7ae94dbhl=en And here is the same question about the content policy that you told the OP to post in the support forum: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?fid=6d6cc0380c0b10d500049d3f4f0f3433hl=en Now let's count the total number of responses from Google. Zero. In fact, the only response to either question is from yours truly telling the poster that no one is going to respond to them. Even sadder, my responses are the best answer. Unfortunately, I continue to be correct. See, the problem is that people go to the official support forum looking for help and they get ignored. Then they move over into other Android-related forums hoping to get answers. Unfortunately, they are either ignored again or are re-directed back to the appropriate forum where they were ignored to begin with. It is *beyond* frustrating. The people here work on the platform, not on Market. We can't talk about what Market is doing. I believe all of the people who posted here have posted to other lists. Some of them are more likely to post to the open source lists, etc. Understood. I meant no offense to any of you and I'm sure the other two that I personally have not seen around here before help out elsewhere that I'm not aware of. My point is simply this: getting actual support or answers for legitimate issues relating to the Android Market is nigh impossible - regardless of the channel one goes through. Meanwhile a thread with the threat of being spammed gets the attention of 4 Googlers. Pathetically, this thread has received more Google attention than anything in the Market Support forum, whether the responders have anything to do with the Market or not. And *that* is what I find so very sad about this situation. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Agree with everything you said TreKing. While I really appreciate the effort Dianne shows towards this list, I wish there were more Android developers putting the same effort out in other areas of the Android ecosystem. Having such insight into the Market would be a very welcome addition. -- Chris Stewart http://chriswstewart.com On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:52 AM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: Do I not count as a response from Google? Of course! Probably more so than most. However, you didn't respond to the thread I linked to, so my statement still stands. Oh you mean a response answering question about Market? As I said there, nobody from the Market team is on this list, so you shouldn't be surprised by not getting responses to questions that people on this list can't answer. Oh, I think you mean this thread, concerning being banned from the Market: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/cf94566a81affbfb Of course you are correct - this forum is not about the Market and, as you posted, questions should go to the Market Support Forum. Fair enough. So let's take a look over there, shall we? Here is the same question about the in-app billing not working: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?tid=331d1590e7ae94dbhl=en And here is the same question about the content policy that you told the OP to post in the support forum: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Android+Market/thread?fid=6d6cc0380c0b10d500049d3f4f0f3433hl=en Now let's count the total number of responses from Google. Zero. In fact, the only response to either question is from yours truly telling the poster that no one is going to respond to them. Even sadder, my responses are the best answer. Unfortunately, I continue to be correct. See, the problem is that people go to the official support forum looking for help and they get ignored. Then they move over into other Android-related forums hoping to get answers. Unfortunately, they are either ignored again or are re-directed back to the appropriate forum where they were ignored to begin with. It is *beyond* frustrating. The people here work on the platform, not on Market. We can't talk about what Market is doing. I believe all of the people who posted here have posted to other lists. Some of them are more likely to post to the open source lists, etc. Understood. I meant no offense to any of you and I'm sure the other two that I personally have not seen around here before help out elsewhere that I'm not aware of. My point is simply this: getting actual support or answers for legitimate issues relating to the Android Market is nigh impossible - regardless of the channel one goes through. Meanwhile a thread with the threat of being spammed gets the attention of 4 Googlers. Pathetically, this thread has received more Google attention than anything in the Market Support forum, whether the responders have anything to do with the Market or not. And *that* is what I find so very sad about this situation. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Yes, we really, REALLY need that meaningful interaction with Google about the market. What we have had to date is more like a parody of really bad customer service (think Lily Tomlin and the Phone Company). After all: even if we disagree with much of Rich's Rant, there is one thing we should all agree on: removing an application from the Market without even an explanation is simply unacceptable. So is providing no means of defending oneself against an accusation of violating the user agreement. So is threatening to stifle the discussion by classifying the posts as off-topic. On Mar 2, 4:12 pm, Peter Sinnott psinn...@gmail.com wrote: Granted spamming people not directly involved with the Market isn't going to do much to improve the situation but some people are prone to taking useless action over doing nothing. Ideally there would be some way for developers to have meaningful interaction with Google about the market instead of continually being forced to wonder what the Market team are currently up to in their lunar base on the dark side of the moon. Does anyone know if content ratings will ever be used for anything??? This thread should probably be moved to Android Discuss if that is possible since that is a more appropriate group but nobody from Google will ever make a meaningful response to it their either. On Mar 2, 3:31 am, Romain Guy romain...@android.com wrote: Rich, I am very sorry you feel this way. However, setting up an online form that may be used by anyone to spam a few individuals working on Android is not the appropriate solution (especially since these individuals, including myself, do *not* work on Market.) On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8... --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Romain Guy Android framework engineer romain...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Can anyone name an app that's been removed from the market that didn't deserve it? As far as I know, every one of them has been asking for it. Malware, spamware and Crapps that clearly are violating the terms are all that's been removed. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone name an app that's been removed from the market that didn't deserve it? Take your pick: http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/search.py?ctx=en%3Asearchboxforum=1query=app+suspended Many of those posts are from people that did not realize they were violating any terms. Some of them are very clear that they don't think they did anything wrong, don't know why they got pulled, and just want to know the reason so they can update their apps and not violate anything. But of course when Google yanks an app, they don't explain *why*. Maybe you violated terms, or maybe someone on the Market team is having a bad day and picks an app at random. Who knows. This is fairly convenient as not providing a reason means Google has nothing to defend, can yank apps at their whim, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Take your pick:http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/search.py?ctx=en%3Ase... Hmm. Lots of them. When Mars comes around next time for its closest pass, we'll have to send a message to the market team about that. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Hmm. Lots of them. When Mars comes around next time for its closest pass, we'll have to send a message to the market team about that. Um, I hate to burst your bubble, but life hasn't been discovered on Mars yet. For all we know, the Market team is stationed on Europa or Titan. Perhaps we should scatter the message across the whole solar system. Of course we may be missing the most obvious answer: Mole people perhaps? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
On Mar 3, 11:55 am, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone name an app that's been removed from the market that didn't deserve it? Take your pick:http://www.google.com/support/androidmarket/bin/search.py?ctx=en%3Ase... Many of those posts are from people that did not realize they were violating any terms. Not to detract from your point in any way, but some of them are quite comical. I'm not sure why they banned my app; its called YouTube or I used the Verizon name and Logo; could that have anything to do with it? At the very least, the message from Android Market should give a link to a basic online course in trademark law. Nathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Mark, Sounds like AARP! -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
The original message has been deleted for violating our Groups Charter and encouraging spamming of individuals. Rich— consider this a warning; repeat offenses will result in a ban. All— as a general note, any discussions that are not strictly related to technical questions around Android development should be in the android-discuss Google Group. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
you do know that means spam against anyone. Not just him On 2 Mar 2011 05:29, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry Romain - I will remove your email from the list! Do you have any contact information for somebody who would be more willing to listen to our grievances? Please email me off list if there are other email address you want removed. R On Mar 1, 10:38 pm, morrildl morri...@google.com wrote: I'm sorry you are not satisfied with the experience you've had with Android Market so far. I look forward to seeing your applications on other platforms. Please note that the page you have put up encourages people to send unsolicited email of a commercial nature in bulk. Spamming or a call to spam someone is an unacceptable use of this group. Please review the group charter athttp:// source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html and reconsider your spam campaign. - Dan On Mar 1, 6:56 pm, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8. .. --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
There are always idiots like this in any platform, something is not right for them, so they have to decide they are the voice of everyone else, To be honest the only part of this that worries me is. * we will dissuade other developers* *from developing Android projects, and we will work tirelessly to* *counter any of Google's hypocritical claims about Openness in the* *media.* * * Not so worried about whatever this guy made disapearing, but how many good developers pushed away by the likely lies spouted by him? On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: This is silly. Can't you find something better to do? -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
The following lines from the charter show whose interpretation of it is questionable. Hint: it isn't Rich's: Allowed discussion topics Most of our groups are for technical discussions of Android or users helping each other. Generally we don't put hard restrictions on the topics discussed in the group: as long as the topic is relevant to Android in some way, it's welcome on our groups. We welcome announcements and discussion of products, libraries, publications, and other interesting Android-related news, but please do not cross-post. Post only to the most relevant group for your message. We even welcome (polite!) discussion of articles and ideas critical of Android--after all, we can't improve if we don't listen. Rich, I am sure, really believes his Union of Android Developers is trying to help all us developers. Of course, there is room for dispute on this, as M. Murphy has made clear. But users helping each other is what this group is for, even if the help turns out to be, ah, misguided;) Rich's topic most certainly is relevant to Android, therefore according to the charter which YOU cited, it is welcome on our groups. Only by ignoring this whole passage and equivocating can you justify classifying his post as unsolicited email of a commercial nature. Stop trying to prove the truth of we can't improve if we don't listen. For your post really does read like nothing more than a contrived excuse not to listen to his very valid criticisms of the Market. Then again, I suppose there is likely a group more relevant, though Rich can certainly claim this group is relevant since the Market affects all developers. On Mar 1, 7:38 pm, morrildl morri...@google.com wrote: I'm sorry you are not satisfied with the experience you've had with Android Market so far. I look forward to seeing your applications on other platforms. Please note that the page you have put up encourages people to send unsolicited email of a commercial nature in bulk. Spamming or a call to spam someone is an unacceptable use of this group. Please review the group charter athttp://source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html and reconsider your spam campaign. - Dan On Mar 1, 6:56 pm, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8... --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Humiliation of alleged violators by sending them in public a warning that should have been sent only in private is a great way to blacken Google's reputation. No one will believe you anymore when you say your motto is do no evil. On Mar 2, 10:02 am, Roman Nurik romannu...@google.com wrote: The original message has been deleted for violating our Groups Charter and encouraging spamming of individuals. Rich— consider this a warning; repeat offenses will result in a ban. All— as a general note, any discussions that are not strictly related to technical questions around Android development should be in the android-discuss Google Group. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
H who do I really hate? Ironically, the fact that you have written this, makes it more obvious what a nightmare Android Market is at the moment. On 2 мар, 08:32, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: H who do I really hate? On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry Romain - I will remove your email from the list! Do you have any contact information for somebody who would be more willing to listen to our grievances? Please email me off list if there are other email address you want removed. R On Mar 1, 10:38 pm, morrildl morri...@google.com wrote: I'm sorry you are not satisfied with the experience you've had with Android Market so far. I look forward to seeing your applications on other platforms. Please note that the page you have put up encourages people to send unsolicited email of a commercial nature in bulk. Spamming or a call to spam someone is an unacceptable use of this group. Please review the group charter athttp:// source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html and reconsider your spam campaign. - Dan On Mar 1, 6:56 pm, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8... --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
2011/3/2 JAlexoid (Aleksandr Panzin) jalex...@gmail.com H who do I really hate? Ironically, the fact that you have written this, makes it more obvious what a nightmare Android Market is at the moment. Can you explain that? I'm pretty sure she was joking, and I at least thought it was pretty funny. Something I would say =) - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Rich, I'd appreciate if you could explain what made you believe that it was appropriate to ask people to spam me personally. JBQ On Mar 1, 6:56 pm, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Manydevelopershave had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8... --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app forAndroid-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Granted spamming people not directly involved with the Market isn't going to do much to improve the situation but some people are prone to taking useless action over doing nothing. Ideally there would be some way for developers to have meaningful interaction with Google about the market instead of continually being forced to wonder what the Market team are currently up to in their lunar base on the dark side of the moon. Does anyone know if content ratings will ever be used for anything??? This thread should probably be moved to Android Discuss if that is possible since that is a more appropriate group but nobody from Google will ever make a meaningful response to it their either. On Mar 2, 3:31 am, Romain Guy romain...@android.com wrote: Rich, I am very sorry you feel this way. However, setting up an online form that may be used by anyone to spam a few individuals working on Android is not the appropriate solution (especially since these individuals, including myself, do *not* work on Market.) On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8... --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Romain Guy Android framework engineer romain...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
This recent threadhttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/318e43185f556724/fd60e3b077091a15?lnk=raot asking a simple question about the state of in-app billing has received no response from anyone at Google. This thread has received 4, 2 of which I, personally, have never even seen post before. This make me sad. =( - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
As Bill Ted would say, this is sad and bogus at the same time... On Mar 3, 11:41 am, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: This recent threadhttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/threa... asking a simple question about the state of in-app billing has received no response from anyone at Google. This thread has received 4, 2 of which I, personally, have never even seen post before. This make me sad. =( ----- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
I'm with it :) might as well give it a shot. On Mar 2, 2011 10:55 PM, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote: As Bill Ted would say, this is sad and bogus at the same time... On Mar 3, 11:41 am, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: This recent thread http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/threa... asking a simple question about the state of in-app billing has received no response from anyone at Google. This thread has received 4, 2 of which I, personally, have never even seen post before. This make me sad. =( ----- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Do I not count as a response from Google? Oh you mean a response answering question about Market? As I said there, nobody from the Market team is on this list, so you shouldn't be surprised by not getting responses to questions that people on this list can't answer. The people here work on the platform, not on Market. We can't talk about what Market is doing. I believe all of the people who posted here have posted to other lists. Some of them are more likely to post to the open source lists, etc. On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:41 PM, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: This recent threadhttp://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/318e43185f556724/fd60e3b077091a15?lnk=raot asking a simple question about the state of in-app billing has received no response from anyone at Google. This thread has received 4, 2 of which I, personally, have never even seen post before. This make me sad. =( - TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
This is silly. Can't you find something better to do? -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8...http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/ab94cdf1c46d90d2 --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
Rich, I am very sorry you feel this way. However, setting up an online form that may be used by anyone to spam a few individuals working on Android is not the appropriate solution (especially since these individuals, including myself, do *not* work on Market.) On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8...http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/ab94cdf1c46d90d2 --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Romain Guy Android framework engineer romain...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
I'm sorry you are not satisfied with the experience you've had with Android Market so far. I look forward to seeing your applications on other platforms. Please note that the page you have put up encourages people to send unsolicited email of a commercial nature in bulk. Spamming or a call to spam someone is an unacceptable use of this group. Please review the group charter at http://source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html and reconsider your spam campaign. - Dan On Mar 1, 6:56 pm, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8... --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
I'm sorry Romain - I will remove your email from the list! Do you have any contact information for somebody who would be more willing to listen to our grievances? Please email me off list if there are other email address you want removed. R On Mar 1, 10:38 pm, morrildl morri...@google.com wrote: I'm sorry you are not satisfied with the experience you've had with Android Market so far. I look forward to seeing your applications on other platforms. Please note that the page you have put up encourages people to send unsolicited email of a commercial nature in bulk. Spamming or a call to spam someone is an unacceptable use of this group. Please review the group charter athttp://source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html and reconsider your spam campaign. - Dan On Mar 1, 6:56 pm, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8... --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Announcing: The Android Developers Union
H who do I really hate? On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry Romain - I will remove your email from the list! Do you have any contact information for somebody who would be more willing to listen to our grievances? Please email me off list if there are other email address you want removed. R On Mar 1, 10:38 pm, morrildl morri...@google.com wrote: I'm sorry you are not satisfied with the experience you've had with Android Market so far. I look forward to seeing your applications on other platforms. Please note that the page you have put up encourages people to send unsolicited email of a commercial nature in bulk. Spamming or a call to spam someone is an unacceptable use of this group. Please review the group charter athttp:// source.android.com/community/groups-charter.html and reconsider your spam campaign. - Dan On Mar 1, 6:56 pm, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: How is it silly? Many developers have had their apps removed without warning and it's frankly unacceptable. I make my _living_ off of application develop and this kind of instability is intolerable, especially considering that Google has taxed me out of over ten thousand dollars. Just because market conditions are better than other places, doesn't mean that they are good, and not worth improving. (And, quite frankly, there are many reasons which Apple's App Store are superior in terms of curation, quality, and customer navigability of new apps.) And yes, of course the aesthetic is a tongue in cheek joke, but the demands are very real. R On Mar 1, 9:27 pm, TreKing treking...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Rich miser...@gmail.com wrote: Please! Join the mailing list, sign the petition, and make a stink! While I appreciate your effort and agree with your intent, this is rather pointless. Your phrasing is childish and the graphic on the site is comical at best. No one is going to take this seriously - particularly the people that you're targeting. Here's some fun reading: http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8... --- -- TreKing http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking - Chicago transit tracking app for Android-powered devices -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
