DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16268] - ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting.
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, BUT PLEASE POST YOUR BUG RELATED COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEB INTERFACE AVAILABLE AT http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268. ANY REPLY MADE TO THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT BE COLLECTED AND INSERTED IN THE BUG DATABASE. http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268 ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting. [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Severity|Normal |Enhancement --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-22 14:07 --- I'm changing this to an enhancement since while using tables may be gauche, it isn't a bug :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16268] - ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting.
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, BUT PLEASE POST YOUR BUG RELATED COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEB INTERFACE AVAILABLE AT http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268. ANY REPLY MADE TO THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT BE COLLECTED AND INSERTED IN THE BUG DATABASE. http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268 ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting. --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-21 02:25 --- Ok so I partially redid the front page of ant.apache.org. Basically the header portion is formated via css, and degrades reasonably in Netscape 4. (IE 5.5, 6.0, Mozilla 1.1, Opera 6.0 and Konqueror 3.0.0 all render it in full css, with mozilla of course taking top honors and getting nothing wrong.) The one glitch I couldn't fix in CSS seems to be that (with the exception of mozilla) none of the browsers seem to correctly predict the height of a div.) The result is that one might have to give up the rounded corners, but everything else works fine. For some reason some of the spacer.gifs come out funny, but that is all in parts of the page I didn't touch, so don't worry about that. Anyway, if you want to peek at it I have put it up temporarily, at http://bugzilla.cs101.org/showpage/ant.html http://bugzilla.cs101.org/showpabe/page.css Gus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16268] - ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting.
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, BUT PLEASE POST YOUR BUG RELATED COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEB INTERFACE AVAILABLE AT http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268. ANY REPLY MADE TO THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT BE COLLECTED AND INSERTED IN THE BUG DATABASE. http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268 ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting. --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-21 02:30 --- The spacer.gif thing was a perm problem... now it works. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16268] - ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting.
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, BUT PLEASE POST YOUR BUG RELATED COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEB INTERFACE AVAILABLE AT http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268. ANY REPLY MADE TO THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT BE COLLECTED AND INSERTED IN THE BUG DATABASE. http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268 ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting. --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-20 17:47 --- edit above comment: rather yet == rather than add yet -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16268] - ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting.
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, BUT PLEASE POST YOUR BUG RELATED COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEB INTERFACE AVAILABLE AT http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268. ANY REPLY MADE TO THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT BE COLLECTED AND INSERTED IN THE BUG DATABASE. http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268 ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting. --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-20 17:51 --- Tables are actually very good for formatting becase of their dynamic column width feature. And they are very portable. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16268] - ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting.
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, BUT PLEASE POST YOUR BUG RELATED COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEB INTERFACE AVAILABLE AT http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268. ANY REPLY MADE TO THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT BE COLLECTED AND INSERTED IN THE BUG DATABASE. http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268 ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting. --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-20 18:43 --- Suggested Reading: Lie, Hakon Wium and Bert Bos. _Cascading_Style_Sheets,_ Designing for the Web. Second Ed. Addison-Wesley 1999. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16268] - ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting.
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, BUT PLEASE POST YOUR BUG RELATED COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEB INTERFACE AVAILABLE AT http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268. ANY REPLY MADE TO THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT BE COLLECTED AND INSERTED IN THE BUG DATABASE. http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268 ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting. --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-20 18:49 --- Gus, you sound a little harsh (sorry for a personal remark, but you sound like a young person that just finished a web design course). In general the science teaches us that we should use minimal means to solve problems. Using tables (however wrong they can be) seem that minimal (and the most portable) way to achieve the existing layout. If we continue this discussion even further about the right way of doing a web design, we should agree that XML document with XSL stylesheets should be used instead of HTML at all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16268] - ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting.
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, BUT PLEASE POST YOUR BUG RELATED COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEB INTERFACE AVAILABLE AT http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268. ANY REPLY MADE TO THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT BE COLLECTED AND INSERTED IN THE BUG DATABASE. http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268 ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting. --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-20 18:55 --- Let me be even more harsh. If the table layout bothers you. Supply a Patch. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16268] - ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting.
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, BUT PLEASE POST YOUR BUG RELATED COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEB INTERFACE AVAILABLE AT http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268. ANY REPLY MADE TO THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT BE COLLECTED AND INSERTED IN THE BUG DATABASE. http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268 ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting. --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-20 20:00 --- Alexy, You know as well as I that xml/xsl that you propose is correct but a strawman, because, finding a web browser that supports it is quite difficult. FYI I have never taken a web design course :), and if 31 is young then I suppose I am guilty of that. I was being a bit harsh because your response struck me as flippant. Nick - That's not harsh :). It is a fair open source challenge :). I suppose I should, though I came in on a holiday today to do other work, so it won't happen instantly. The semester is starting and I have stuff I need to do to support a course this semester, so time is in short supply. Also, my first patch this year will be to my symlink task, so it doesn't rewrite recorded symlink files if no new symlinks have been added. Mostly I just wanted to raise the issue and start a discussion. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16268] - ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting.
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, BUT PLEASE POST YOUR BUG RELATED COMMENTS THROUGH THE WEB INTERFACE AVAILABLE AT http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268. ANY REPLY MADE TO THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT BE COLLECTED AND INSERTED IN THE BUG DATABASE. http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16268 ant.apache.org uses tables for formatting. --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-01-20 20:33 --- I think the XML/XSLT suggestion is not a straw man at all, but rather a good suggestion. Serving XML and XSLT content directly from the site is clearly not the way to go, as relatively few browsers handle this reliably. However, if the site is authored in XML, you can generate content offline in the desired format - HTML with tables, HTML with CSS, XSL-FO for generating PDFs etc. - from the XML sources using a stylesheet processor such as Xalan. You then serve the generated content. This is the way that I now develop websites, and is the reason why I'm interested in Ant: I wanted a build tool to manage the task of transforming my XML-based documents into browser-friendly HTML. On the subject of tables, I recommend staying with them for the time being. Yes, separation of logical and visual structure (which using minimalistic XHTML and CSS would theoretically give you) is the way to go in the long run, but in the short run there are still many users whose browsers won't reliably handle XHTML or CSS-based layout. These people will be locked out of using the Ant site, something which I think is contrary to the spirit of Ant and Apache. I'd recommend going the XML route, but - as I am now in the throes of converting a vast HTML website to XML - I can tell you that it's quite a lot of work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
