Re: [Apple-Crop] NAD

[Arthur Kelly]

I have overthinned Gala with carbaryl and BA.

Art Kelly 
Kelly Orchards 
Acton, Maine 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Duane Greene  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> Two years ago I did an experiment where I did apply Amid-Thin at petal 
> fall alone or followed by BA to Gala.  Amid-Thin was used at a rate of 8 
> oz/100 gal.  The Amid-Thin alone spray thinned modestly (not enough) but 
> followed by BA the thinning was acceptable.  The best thinning result was 
> obtained when carbaryl was applied at petal fall followed by a 10 mm spray of 
> carbaryl plus BA.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Duane
> 
>> On 4/12/2017 10:35 PM, John Bruguiere wrote:
>> Anyone out there had any experience(positive or negative) using Amid 
>> Thin(NAD) at petal fall to help thin Gala prior to 8MM (using 6-ba then)?  
>> Mature trees, heavy bloom.
>> John Bruguiere
>> 
>>> On 1/29/2017 10:27 PM, wincowg...@centurylink.net wrote:
>>> Apple Croppers- Jon and I do try to keep a pretty hands off approach with 
>>> regard to moderating this list.
>>> 
>>> We have only had to remove one person from the list in 24 years. 
>>> 
>>> That being said, if you don't agree with someones post, there is the delete 
>>> key. There is never a reason to get personal with another subscriber on our 
>>> list.
>>> 
>>> I know many on this list may not always agree, but that is not unusual. We 
>>> still share information.
>>> 
>>> Certainly most of you that know Jon Clements and I, know we often do not 
>>> see eye to eye, but we do many great things together in spite of that :-)  
>>> 
>>> This apple-crop list lasting 24 years is a tribute to that.
>>> 
>>> If someone has a real beef with a post or a person, please 
>>> share you comment with Jon and I privately, as owners of the list. 
>>> Otherwise hit delete, we do not want to be moderators.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Win
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Win Cowgill
>>> Co-Founder Apple Crop List Serv
>>> Editor Horticultural News
>>> Professor Emeritus, Rutgers, the State University
>>> Owner Win Enterprises International, LLC Pomology Consulting 
>>> PO Box 143
>>> Baptistown, NJ 08803
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 29, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Jon Clements  wrote:
 
 Yea, we try to be pretty hands-off with apple-crop, and I have gotten a 
 little lost in the thread this afternoon, but please let's not let this 
 get out of hand. Last thing I want to be is a moderator...
 
 Thanks.
 
 Jon
 
 On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Vincent Philion 
  wrote:
> You are missing the point. There is plenty of room for expressing your 
> political and religious views in other forums.
> 
> http://virtualorchard.net/applecrop.html
> 
> “Discussion relating to all aspects of apple production from cultivar 
> selection, tree growth and performance, rootstock development and testing 
> to the development of sustainable production systems is welcome.”
> 
> Vincent Philion, agr. M.Sc. IRDA.
> 
> “an environment that once again values and rewards the entrepreneur”. 
> Hopefully, there is   room for the 
> “environment” in your environment!
> 
> 
>> Le 29 janv. 2017 à 16:28, Kurt W. Alstede  a 
>> écrit :
>> 
>> Hello Fellow Horticulturalists and Farmers,
>>  
>> I debated whether I should opine or not…there seems to be so little 
>> tolerance these days for alternative view points.  Yet, to suggest that 
>> politics don’t influence our businesses and farms would be not only a 
>> mistake but also a disservice to our goal of helping and supporting one 
>> another who grow apples.  What I can share with you with confidence as a 
>> full time family farm owner in New Jersey is that farming under the 
>> Obama administration was more difficult, more costly, and much more 
>> challenging than any other time in my 35 years of farming.  I have seen 
>> a steady increase in the direct costs associated with
>>regulatory compliance as well as the amount 
>> of management time that I and my team spend simply making sure that our 
>> business can operate….none of which helps us grow a better apple for our 
>> customers.  We are only 10 days into the new administration and I can 
>> tell you that I look forward to the opportunity to advance our family 
>> business to the next generation in an environment that once again values 
>> and rewards the entrepreneur, hard work, rural 

Re: [Apple-Crop] NAD

[Duane Greene]

John,

Two years ago I did an experiment where I did apply Amid-Thin at 
petal fall alone or followed by BA to Gala.  Amid-Thin was used at a 
rate of 8 oz/100 gal.  The Amid-Thin alone spray thinned modestly (not 
enough) but followed by BA the thinning was acceptable.  The best 
thinning result was obtained when carbaryl was applied at petal fall 
followed by a 10 mm spray of carbaryl plus BA.


Regards,

Duane


On 4/12/2017 10:35 PM, John Bruguiere wrote:


Anyone out there had any experience(positive or negative) using Amid 
Thin(NAD) at petal fall to help thin Gala prior to 8MM (using 6-ba 
then)?  Mature trees, heavy bloom.


John Bruguiere


On 1/29/2017 10:27 PM, wincowg...@centurylink.net wrote:
Apple Croppers- Jon and I do try to keep a pretty hands off approach 
with regard to moderating this list.


We have only had to remove one person from the list in 24 years.

That being said, if you don't agree with someones post, there is the 
delete key. There is never a reason to get personal with another 
subscriber on our list.


I know many on this list may not always agree, but that is not 
unusual. We still share information.


Certainly most of you that know Jon Clements and I, know we often do 
not see eye to eye, but we do many great things together in spite of 
that :-)


This apple-crop list lasting 24 years is a tribute to that.

If someone has a real beef with a post or a person, please share you 
comment with Jon and I privately, as owners of the list. Otherwise 
hit delete, we do not want to be moderators.


Best,

Win


*Win Cowgill*
Co-Founder Apple Crop List Serv
Editor Horticultural News
Professor Emeritus, Rutgers, the State University
Owner Win Enterprises International, LLC Pomology Consulting
PO Box 143
Baptistown, NJ 08803
Office 908-489-1476
Fax- 908-996-6404
Email: wincowg...@mac.com 
www.horticulturalnews.org/ 
www.virtualorchard.net/ 
http://giselacherry.com/
http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html
Twitter @mrsuncrisp 
http://www.appletesters.net
http://nc140.org




On Jan 29, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Jon Clements > wrote:


Yea, we try to be pretty hands-off with apple-crop, and I have 
gotten a little lost in the thread this afternoon, but please let's 
not let this get out of hand. Last thing I want to be is a moderator...


Thanks.

Jon

On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Vincent Philion 
> wrote:


You are missing the point. There is plenty of room for
expressing your political and religious views in other forums.

http://virtualorchard.net/applecrop.html


“Discussion relating to all aspects of apple production from
cultivar selection, tree growth and performance, rootstock
development and testing to the development of sustainable
production systems is welcome.”

Vincent Philion, agr. M.Sc. IRDA.

“an environment that once again values and rewards the
entrepreneur”. Hopefully, there is room for the “environment” in
your environment!



Le 29 janv. 2017 à 16:28, Kurt W. Alstede
> a écrit :

Hello Fellow Horticulturalists and Farmers,
I debated whether I should opine or not…there seems to be so
little tolerance these days for alternative view points.  Yet,
to suggest that politics don’t influence our businesses and
farms would be not only a mistake but also a disservice to our
goal of helping and supporting one another who grow apples.
What I can share with you with confidence as a full time family
farm owner in New Jersey is that farming under the Obama
administration was more difficult, more costly, and much more
challenging than any other time in my 35 years of farming.  I
have seen a steady increase in the direct costs associated with
regulatory compliance as well as the amount of management time
that I and my team spend simply making sure that our business
can operate….none of which helps us grow a better apple for our
customers.  We are only 10 days into the new administration and
I can tell you that I look forward to the opportunity to
advance our family business to the next generation in an
environment that once again values and rewards the
entrepreneur, hard work, rural values, and the risk that we all
take each year as farmers.   I also look forward to a positive
business environment that will allow us to expand our farm,
purchase and preserve more farmland, employ more people, and
stimulate the local economy.
Simply stated….I am very excited!
Best wishes for a successful growing season and may God Bless
the United States of America.
*Kurt W. Alstede*

Re: [Apple-Crop] NAD

[Jose Manuel Pereira Cardoso]

I use Geramid (NAD) at 75ml/hl in gala at petal fall with good results

Em 13/04/2017 03:36, "John Bruguiere"  escreveu:

Anyone out there had any experience(positive or negative) using Amid
Thin(NAD) at petal fall to help thin Gala prior to 8MM (using 6-ba then)?
Mature trees, heavy bloom.

John Bruguiere

On 1/29/2017 10:27 PM, wincowg...@centurylink.net wrote:

Apple Croppers- Jon and I do try to keep a pretty hands off approach with
regard to moderating this list.

We have only had to remove one person from the list in 24 years.

That being said, if you don't agree with someones post, there is the delete
key. There is never a reason to get personal with another subscriber on our
list.

I know many on this list may not always agree, but that is not unusual. We
still share information.

Certainly most of you that know Jon Clements and I, know we often do not
see eye to eye, but we do many great things together in spite of that :-)

This apple-crop list lasting 24 years is a tribute to that.

If someone has a real beef with a post or a person, please share you
comment with Jon and I privately, as owners of the list. Otherwise hit
delete, we do not want to be moderators.

Best,

Win


*Win Cowgill*
Co-Founder Apple Crop List Serv
Editor Horticultural News
Professor Emeritus, Rutgers, the State University
Owner Win Enterprises International, LLC Pomology Consulting
PO Box 143
Baptistown, NJ 08803
Office 908-489-1476 <(908)%20489-1476>
Fax- 908-996-6404 <(908)%20996-6404>
Email: wincowg...@mac.com
www.horticulturalnews.org/
www.virtualorchard.net/
http://giselacherry.com/
http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html
Twitter  @mrsuncrisp 
http://www.appletesters.net
http://nc140.org




On Jan 29, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Jon Clements  wrote:

Yea, we try to be pretty hands-off with apple-crop, and I have gotten a
little lost in the thread this afternoon, but please let's not let this get
out of hand. Last thing I want to be is a moderator...

Thanks.

Jon

On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Vincent Philion  wrote:

> You are missing the point. There is plenty of room for expressing your
> political and religious views in other forums.
>
> http://virtualorchard.net/applecrop.html
>
> “Discussion relating to all aspects of apple production from cultivar
> selection, tree growth and performance, rootstock development and testing
> to the development of sustainable production systems is welcome.”
>
> Vincent Philion, agr. M.Sc. IRDA.
>
> “an environment that once again values and rewards the entrepreneur”.
> Hopefully, there is room for the “environment” in your environment!
>
>
> Le 29 janv. 2017 à 16:28, Kurt W. Alstede  a écrit
> :
>
> Hello Fellow Horticulturalists and Farmers,
>
> I debated whether I should opine or not…there seems to be so little
> tolerance these days for alternative view points.  Yet, to suggest that
> politics don’t influence our businesses and farms would be not only a
> mistake but also a disservice to our goal of helping and supporting one
> another who grow apples.  What I can share with you with confidence as a
> full time family farm owner in New Jersey is that farming under the Obama
> administration was more difficult, more costly, and much more challenging
> than any other time in my 35 years of farming.  I have seen a steady
> increase in the direct costs associated with regulatory compliance as well
> as the amount of management time that I and my team spend simply making
> sure that our business can operate….none of which helps us grow a better
> apple for our customers.  We are only 10 days into the new administration
> and I can tell you that I look forward to the opportunity to advance our
> family business to the next generation in an environment that once again
> values and rewards the entrepreneur, hard work, rural values, and the risk
> that we all take each year as farmers.   I also look forward to a positive
> business environment that will allow us to expand our farm, purchase and
> preserve more farmland, employ more people, and stimulate the local economy.
>
> Simply stated….I am very excited!
>
> Best wishes for a successful growing season and may God Bless the United
> States of America.
>
>
> *Kurt W. Alstede*
> General Manager,
> Alstede Farms, LLC
> P.O. Box 278
> 1 Alstede Farms Lane,
> Chester, New Jersey 07930
> United States of America
>
> Tel:  908-879-7189 <%28908%29%20879-7189>
> Fax: 908-879-7815 <%28908%29%20879-7815>
> www.alstedefarms.com
>
> 
>
> *From:* apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Vincent Philion
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2017 4:14 PM
> *To:* Apple-Crop discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: [Apple-Crop] Future of Extension Assistance to Apple Crop
>
> Please keep "alternative facts" and politics out of this thread.
>
> Vincent Philion, 

Re: [Apple-Crop] NAD

[John Bruguiere]

Anyone out there had any experience(positive or negative) using Amid 
Thin(NAD) at petal fall to help thin Gala prior to 8MM (using 6-ba 
then)?  Mature trees, heavy bloom.


John Bruguiere


On 1/29/2017 10:27 PM, wincowg...@centurylink.net wrote:
Apple Croppers- Jon and I do try to keep a pretty hands off approach 
with regard to moderating this list.


We have only had to remove one person from the list in 24 years.

That being said, if you don't agree with someones post, there is the 
delete key. There is never a reason to get personal with another 
subscriber on our list.


I know many on this list may not always agree, but that is not 
unusual. We still share information.


Certainly most of you that know Jon Clements and I, know we often do 
not see eye to eye, but we do many great things together in spite of 
that :-)


This apple-crop list lasting 24 years is a tribute to that.

If someone has a real beef with a post or a person, please share you 
comment with Jon and I privately, as owners of the list. Otherwise hit 
delete, we do not want to be moderators.


Best,

Win


*Win Cowgill*
Co-Founder Apple Crop List Serv
Editor Horticultural News
Professor Emeritus, Rutgers, the State University
Owner Win Enterprises International, LLC Pomology Consulting
PO Box 143
Baptistown, NJ 08803
Office 908-489-1476
Fax- 908-996-6404
Email: wincowg...@mac.com 
www.horticulturalnews.org/ 
www.virtualorchard.net/ 
http://giselacherry.com/
http://virtualorchard.net/njfruitfocus/index.html
Twitter @mrsuncrisp 
http://www.appletesters.net
http://nc140.org




On Jan 29, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Jon Clements > wrote:


Yea, we try to be pretty hands-off with apple-crop, and I have gotten 
a little lost in the thread this afternoon, but please let's not let 
this get out of hand. Last thing I want to be is a moderator...


Thanks.

Jon

On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Vincent Philion 
> wrote:


You are missing the point. There is plenty of room for expressing
your political and religious views in other forums.

http://virtualorchard.net/applecrop.html


“Discussion relating to all aspects of apple production from
cultivar selection, tree growth and performance, rootstock
development and testing to the development of sustainable
production systems is welcome.”

Vincent Philion, agr. M.Sc. IRDA.

“an environment that once again values and rewards the
entrepreneur”. Hopefully, there is room for the “environment” in
your environment!



Le 29 janv. 2017 à 16:28, Kurt W. Alstede > a écrit :

Hello Fellow Horticulturalists and Farmers,
I debated whether I should opine or not…there seems to be so
little tolerance these days for alternative view points. Yet, to
suggest that politics don’t influence our businesses and farms
would be not only a mistake but also a disservice to our goal of
helping and supporting one another who grow apples.  What I can
share with you with confidence as a full time family farm owner
in New Jersey is that farming under the Obama administration was
more difficult, more costly, and much more challenging than any
other time in my 35 years of farming.  I have seen a steady
increase in the direct costs associated with regulatory
compliance as well as the amount of management time that I and
my team spend simply making sure that our business can
operate….none of which helps us grow a better apple for our
customers.  We are only 10 days into the new administration and
I can tell you that I look forward to the opportunity to advance
our family business to the next generation in an environment
that once again values and rewards the entrepreneur, hard work,
rural values, and the risk that we all take each year as
farmers.   I also look forward to a positive business
environment that will allow us to expand our farm, purchase and
preserve more farmland, employ more people, and stimulate the
local economy.
Simply stated….I am very excited!
Best wishes for a successful growing season and may God Bless
the United States of America.
*Kurt W. Alstede*
General Manager,
Alstede Farms, LLC
P.O. Box 278
1 Alstede Farms Lane,
Chester, New Jersey 07930
United States of America
Tel: 908-879-7189 
Fax: 908-879-7815 
www.alstedefarms.com 

*From:*apple-crop [mailto:apple-crop-boun...@virtualorchard.com
]*On Behalf
Of*Vincent Philion
*Sent:*Sunday,