David,
Unless you have codling moth, you do not need to invest in the Isomate TT for 
CM and OFM.  Just get the formulation for OFM - it will work fine.
But if you have CM, then it is well worth the investment  provided the caveat 
of proper  orchard dimensions for effective distribution of the pheromone.  
Isomate OFM TT will work for OFM and LAW.  But you will still need some early 
season sprays.

Deborah I. Breth
Cornell Cooperative Extension - Lake Ontario Fruit Program
Team Leader and IPM Specialist in Tree Fruit and Berries
12690 Rt. 31
Albion, NY   14411

phone: 585.798.4265 x 36
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Lorraine

            In the past, my insecticides timed for Apple Maggot nearly always 
prevented second generation LAW damage, and always did if
at least one of those sprays was applied in the last half of August. Having 
been alerted to the success with mating disruption of Oriental Fruit Moth and 
LAW, I will look into mating disruption next year. I could have tried it this 
year, as just today I re-discovered Deborah;s
notice of it in the first issue of this year's Scaffolds Fruit Journal, dated 
March 25.  
http://www.scaffolds.entomology.cornell.edu/2013/<http://www.scaffolds.entomology.cornell.edu/2013/>
 page 9-10.

"This... (Isomate OFM TT Pacific Biocontrol, EPA Reg. No. 53575-29)...twin-tube 
tie dispenser has a field life of 180+ days, and is therefore being recommended 
for full-season mating disruption of oriental fruit moth and lesser appleworm 
in all tree fruits."

David


On Aug 6, 2013, at 4:08 PM, llbuglady 
<llbugl...@gmail.com<mailto:llbugl...@gmail.com>> wrote:


David,

I have not been following the LAW research since retirement. I was hoping 
someone would jump in and see that Deborah Breth mentioned the use of Isomate 
mating disruption for OFM might have effect on LAW.  Does anyone else have any 
research or observations?

Lorraine Los
Retired UConn IPM Specialst

On Aug 5, 2013, at 9:03 PM, David Kollas 
<kol...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:kol...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:


Lorraine:

            Thanks for bringing that up.  I was thinking of using a sex 
pheromone lure on a sticky trap to monitor LAW,  As I recall,
you have said that Lesser Appleworm is attracted to the lure used for another 
moth;  which moth lure would LAW males go for?
Or do you think a true disruption attempt could replace insecticide?

David

On Aug 5, 2013, at 3:25 PM, llbuglady 
<llbugl...@gmail.com<mailto:llbugl...@gmail.com>> wrote:


What about mating disruption for LAW?

Lorraine Los
Retired UConn IPM Specialist

On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:06 PM, David Kollas 
<kol...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:kol...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Glen:

            My glee at the minimal captures of Apple Maggot on this farm is 
tempered by my history of Lesser Appleworm.  It has produced significant
damage to fruit when I have omitted insecticide in August.  Now I am thinking 
that LAW traps may be needed to justify the insecticide.

David Kollas
Kollas Orchard
Tolland, CT


On Aug 5, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Glen Koehler 
<glen.koeh...@maine.edu<mailto:glen.koeh...@maine.edu>> wrote:


Hi Art
    See paragraph in last newsletter.  Bottom line is sugar should also 
increase efficacy of Assail and possibly Delegate against AM but nobody knows 
if there would be other problems created by spraying sugar on apples.  I find 
the slow start to AM catches perplexing.  Only speculation I have to explain it 
is that they suffered high mortality in winter.  But that might be wishful 
thinking.  Next few weeks will tell.
- Glen
On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Arthur Kelly 
<kellyorcha...@gmail.com<mailto:kellyorcha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There is a recommendation to add sugar when making an application of Assail for 
SWD on berries to stimulate feeding.  1-2 lbs per hundred gal.  What about for 
apples when using Assail or Delegate for instance?  My understanding is that 
when first emerged the flies feed.  FYI we trapped the first AM fly on 8/2 
here.  Only one on five traps.

Art Kelly
Kelly Orchards
Acton, ME

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, David Kollas 
<kol...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:kol...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:


Thank you, Art.  It is always better to know whether the most-informed have the 
answers; or whether, instead, they are not sure either.

The uncertainty that Reissig expressed in his paper of 2003 apparently 
continues now ten years later. In that paper he indicated the need for
additional research to assess practical aspects of replacing organophosphates 
with newer chemistries in commercial orchards.

A practical aspect of using Calyso or Assail in leu of Imidan that is separate 
from their mode of action on Apple Maggot, is the
question of how to incorporate them into a label-compliant 
resistance-management program that includes control of many pests in addition
to Apple Maggot.

David



On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Arthur M. Agnello wrote:


Hi David,

Harvey Reissig did a study on the efficacy of some of the newer products 
against apple maggot, and published it some years ago:

Reissig, W. Harvey.  2003.  Field and Laboratory Tests of New Insecticides 
Against the Apple Maggot, Rhagoletis pomonella (Walsh) (Diptera: Tephritidae).  
 Journal of Economic Entomology 96 (5): 1463-1472 - I will send you a pdf of it 
in a separate email.

However, his general findings were that there are no new insecticides that are 
as effective in controlling AM as the organophosphates, particularly in "high 
pressure situations".  It is also true that most of the new materials are not 
as directly toxic to the flies as the OPs, and the efficacy of many these new 
materials appears to be due to their ability to prevent flies from ovipositing 
as long as they are in contact with their residues.  We really don't know the 
mechanism of this mode of action, but in many laboratory bioassays the flies 
will not lay eggs on treated apples, although they remain alive.  So far, we 
would say that in most normal US orchards, which are presumed to be initially 
free from internal AM infestations and are not near abandoned orchards and 
other large sources of unsprayed host trees, we have not seen control failures 
or even increased damage in orchards that are not treated with 
organophosphates, although AM catches in monitoring traps placed along the 
edges of these orchards appears to be higher than when they were sprayed with 
organophosphates.

As far as efficacy, Calypso is definitely the most effective of the new 
insecticides, followed by Assail.  Delegate and Altacor also have some 
activity, but would probably not provide control in orchards with internal 
infestations or those that are near heavy unsprayed sources of infestations.

Art

--
Arthur M. Agnello
Professor and Extension Tree Fruit Entomologist
Dept. of Entomology                            
a...@cornell.edu<mailto:a...@cornell.edu>
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315-787-2341<tel:315-787-2341>
630 W. North St.                                   Fax: 
315-787-2326<tel:315-787-2326>
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http://web.entomology.cornell.edu/agnello/links.html
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Thank you for that, Peter.

I suppose that if the systemic activity of neonics is sufficient to kill Apple 
Maggot eggs or larvae during a (two week?) period after application,
and  up to 2 inches rainfall, they could be expected to be as good as Imidan or 
Guthion, regardless of whether the adults are killed by fruit or foliar contact.
Or, perhaps female flies are killed by ovipositor contact with systemic neonic 
during egg insertion?  My guess is that such studies have not been made.

David Kollas

On Aug 2, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Peter J. Jentsch wrote:


Hi David,

John Wise, Michigan State University, Department of Entomology, wrote a very 
nice piece on the 'Rainfast characteristics of fruit crop insecticides'  that 
might help to answer these questions. It was posted on June 3, 2013.

http://msue.anr.msu.edu/news/rainfast_characteristics_of_fruit_crop_insecticides
All the best,


Peter J. Jentsch
Senior Extension Associate - Entomology
Department of Entomology
Cornell University's Hudson Valley  Lab
P.O. Box 727, 3357 Rt. 9W
Highland, NY 12528

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Date: July 31, 2013 9:08:52 AM EDT
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Subject: Residual pesticide activity

All:
Surely others know the answer to this question. I must have missed it 
somewhere.  Does the systemic activity of
absorbed neonicotinoid sprays Assail and Calypso replace the surface residual 
that continues to kill Apple Maggot flies
entering an Imidan or Guthion-treated orchard days after the application?  Do 
the neonics provide residual control only by
systemic tissue-presence which the insect must consume?  Or do Apple Maggot 
flies get enough active ingredient through
their "feet" to kill them on days-old neonic treatments?
The question is relevant in choosing whether, and what pesticide to apply prior 
to forecast thunderstorms that can
remove surface residues.

David Kollas
Kollas Orchard, Tolland, CT

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