Re: Fw: Median voter theorem

2002-12-06 Thread Fred Foldvary
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 Proportional representation doesn't allow--or at least hasn't
 allowed--the fringe parties there to stop being fringe parties.  
 David

Yes, if by oligopoly you mean there are only a few parties, then
proportional representation does not prevent that, as we don't see a
distribution of just tiny parties.  The question is why there seems to be a
political duopoly in most countries.  I think that may be due to the
bell-shaped curve of political views.  If most voters are near the median,
we can expect a couple of large parties to split that vote.

Fred Foldvary

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Re: Fw: Median voter theorem

2002-12-06 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- Alypius Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  we can expect a couple of large parties to split that vote.
  Fred Foldvary
 
 Polls show these positions are supported by large, not slim,
 majorities--landslide majorities.  So why don't the two established
 parties seek to split the vote of the great majority on these issues--in
other words, why aren't they competing for the median voter on the basis of
the median voter's political opinions?

I'm with you on that.  There was a discussion here earlier on median voter
versus special interests.  My belief was and is that special interests have
much clout, and override the median voters in such issues as you mentioned.
 That is partly because voters must select candidates on a package of
issues.  On such issues, the special interests can have clout, whereas the
median voter is influential mainly in the most visible or basic issues.  It
does also show why the two political parties are close together on the most
basic issues.

 Is there some
 way the market for votes could be made more competitive? 

Yes, see my paper on Recalculating consent:

http://www.gmu.edu/jbc/fest/files/foldvary.htm

Fred Foldvary


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Fw: Median voter theorem

2002-12-05 Thread Alypius Skinner
But perhaps third parties don't siphon off more votes because they're
undercapitalized.  It's hard for an upstart domestic auto company to
challenge General Motors, or other established automakers.  Remember
DeLorean? He was a third party automaker.  Democratic politics appear to
be (inherently?) oligopolistic.
(Funny, I just remembered that the Soviet political system was often
described by western observers as an oligopoly--although they described
themselves as a democracy.  More support for my pet theory that
differences between Communism and social democracy, while they do exist, are
in many ways less striking than the parallels.)

~Alypius Skinner


 I've never really studied the Median Voter Theorem.
 Recently I read where someone claimed that the U.S.
 political system was designed to keep the two parties
 nearly identical by keeping other parties out.  I
 assumed that the reason they Dems  Reps seem so close
 may be because of the MVT--they want the middle guy's
 vote.  So then I thought, suppose a third party were
 let into the race, does the MVT still hold w/ for 3 or
 more candidates?  Does it weaken as more candidates
 are added, or do they all bunch toward the center for
 for any n2, where n is the number of candidates?
 Does anybody know of a good discussion of it online?



Well look at the 1992 presidential race.  You had Bob Dole, the
tax-collector
 for the welfare state who never met a tax hike he didn't like and the
 architect of affirmative action, Bill second-biggest tax hike in history,
and
 Ross let's fix what's broke by raising taxes Perot.  You essentially had
 three mushy-moderate statist candidates running for office, and nobody
openly
 advocating either mainstream conservatism or mainstream liberalism (if
there
 is still such a thing).  We needed Perot's brand of mushy-moderate statism
 like Al-Queda needs a new form of explosive.

 John Anderson in 1980 likewise offered fiscal conservatism and social
 moderation, in other words, warmed over Jimmy Carter, although since
Reagan
 won, and would have won even had Carter gotten all of Anderson's votes
 (unlikely in the extreme based on exit-polling) it would seem we had two
 candidates rather far from the media voter.

 Still, most third party candidates in America (and perhaps in some of the
 parliamentary democracies) seem to offer platforms that are determinedly
away
 from the median voter's squishy preferences.  I think of candidates like
 Strom Thurmond, who probably captured the median white voter in the South,
 but fared poorly with most other voters.  Green Party and Libertarian
Party
 candidates, offering platforms well away from the median voter, fare even
 more poorly, at least in all but small local races.  (I recall a bar owner
in
 Denver, registered as a Libertarian, getting elected to the Denver
Election
 Commission while I lived out there.)

 From the little I know about the MVT--and it's little indeed--it seems to
 assume that the candidates have no ability to influence the median voter,
so
 as to move it more or less in one direction or the other.  If so I'd have
to
 say that it makes a more-than-heroic assumption.  I think few people would
 have guessed that during what appeared to be the heyday of unabashed
 statist-liberalism and in the wake of Watergate that a
strongly-conservative
 Republican candidate would win by a large majority in 1980.  It's
remarkable
 how quickly attitudes appeared to shift on a wide variety of issues from
 busing to taxes, to welfare programs to abortion to defense.

 While it's undoubtedly true that many people secretly agreed with Ronald
 Reagan's positions throughout the 1970s but feared to admit it to avoid
 social condemnation, it must also be true that Reagan and his supporters
 persuaded others who had not previously agreed, thus shifting the median
 voters toward the right across a spectrum of issues.  By focusing on the
 median voter, the MVT seems to give credence to the mushy moderate's
election
 creed--pander to me or lose when I vote for your opponent--but
oftentimes,
 as we've seen in recent elections with Libertarians pulling votes from
 Republicans and Greens pulling votes from Democrats that not pandering to
the
 extremes loses elections too.

 Indeed, it's not clear that the median voter theorem actually describes
the
 process by which candidates typically win in highly-publicized elections.
 Presidents don't typically win by persuading all the mushy moderates, who
 tend to break both ways and can't generally be relied upon by a major
party
 no matter what it does, but rather by building coalitions of voters
 highly-motivated  by various issues.  Put together a coalition of blacks,
 Jews, Northern WASP elites and labor union members and you can win even if
 you're too liberal (or too statist) for the median voter.  Put together a
 coalition of defense hawks, right-to-bear-arms advocates, tax-cutters,