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My father[age:60] and uncle[age:55] both were are inclined to SD Burman,Salil chaudhary and Madan mohan stuff..My Father never liked RD Burman. This is quite strange to me.!![with due respect to PanchamDa]. but both like ARR lot.. My father is fan of him..his fav includes Lagaan,water,swades,Taal Delhi6,Guru,some songs from Saathiya and JA. Connections is his most favourite album!!..Whenever I come from office he asks me my Nokia express to listen connections. [and I switch over to my Cd player]. -jiban --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Nagaraj arr_naga...@... wrote: My Dad is 50 and he loves ARR. He was a IR/MSV fan in his youth. But after lagaan he became a ARR fan. Songs he loves. Guru - tera bina. Lagaan - full Swades - yeh tara,aahista,yeh jo des. Rhythm,Sivaji,Lagaan,12ka4. However he hasnt developed an ear for smthng like Bose/Water. Would like to know wat the middle aged and older group feel abt ARR. Especially the people above 45 as their prime(15-30) would have been during RD Burman/Illyaraja/MS Vishwanathan. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Leslie D dorai365@ wrote: You nailed it. My father is now in his early 60s. I have always known him as a big music lover. He can recognize almost all Rafi, Kishore, Manna Dey, Lata and old Malayalam songs. I gifted him an iPod loaded with lots of songs. Mostly he still listens to old songs. Yes one of new songs gets him really excited. The ones that he liked recently are 1.O Sathiya - From a John Abraham moview - Anu Malik composition 2. Instrumental from Jhoom Barabar Jhoom 3. Suraj Hua Madham - KKKG 4. Teri Ore from Singh is King For a big ARR fan that I am, I would have loved to see him fall in love with an ARR song. But somehow he doesnt seem to appreciate. But that doesnt mean I dislike his choice of music. I just wonder what the songs mentioned above clicked big time with him but all ARR songs failed to do do. His appreciation is no certification of Anu Maliks talent either. Sometimes you just cant understand why somebody loves something. Respect every persons individuality. Like Pyarelalji my dad doesnt think ARR is any great shakes but he is happy that ARR has won an Oscar. On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Chord purevibz@ wrote: After reading Jagjit Singh's, Pyarelal's and Ali Khan's comments about ARR and his music, it also struck me the big generational differences in terms of attitudes and exposure towards music. Personally, I have found that even with people I know, like my parents and their friends, their appreciation for music is within a narrow range. Anything outside that range is overlooked and not appreciated as much, and sometimes ridiculed. I have found that amongst many elders, there is a certain arrogance or haughtiness implying, we know what's best. This is a product of our culture revering elders and their wisdom by tradition in contrast to many seniors and elders feeling left out and disrespected by attitudinal changes in today's world reflecting less respect and reverie towards seniors. For example, when I gave my parents a copy of the D6 CD, they only liked the folk and semi-classical elements of the soundtrack. That's it. When I asked them about Jaane Tu, they said that they didn't like the music, although they love and appreciate ARR's other works that are more in line with their taste. Of course, even within elders, there will be a lot of variation in terms of taste and attitude, but overall, I feel that they are more narrow minded about music than we youngsters are OVERALL AS A GROUP, keeping in mind individual differences. Because ARR's music is so diverse and touching upon so many different genres, a large percentage of his work is not going to be appreciated by those with more narrow minded definitions of good music. Who knows, maybe when we reach that age, we too may reflect some of that narrow mindedness in terms of our exposure compared to what the youth may be listening to at that time. However, I have hope that because we youngsters have been exposed to such an array of world music through ARR and other artists, I think we will generally have a broader appreciation for music than previous generations. ARR has gifted us with something very important: tolerance and open mindedness for different types of music. Thank you ARR!
[arr] Re: Let's keep in mind the attitudes and exposure of the elders
Very good article Rawat..the analysis is wonderfull..BTW liked the line: And that was the time when a new star has risen in music sky. His name is ARR. and the name is still ruling and will rule forever .. Regards -jiban jai ho --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat vsra...@... wrote: On 3/6/2009 7:21 AM India Time, _Nagaraj_ wrote: My Dad is 50 and he loves ARR. He was a IR/MSV fan in his youth. But after lagaan he became a ARR fan. Songs he loves. Guru - tera bina. Lagaan - full Swades - yeh tara,aahista,yeh jo des. Rhythm,Sivaji,Lagaan,12ka4. However he hasnt developed an ear for smthng like Bose/Water. Would like to know wat the middle aged and older group feel abt ARR. Especially the people above 45 as their prime(15-30) would have been during RD Burman/Illyaraja/MS Vishwanathan. Before Anu Malik and Nadeem Sharavan, the last undisputed ruler of bollywood music was Laxmikant Pyarelal and his era has ended by 1981 (Ek Duje Ke Liye, Kranti, Naseeb, prem rog, hero). But, while LP mostly used more Indian instruments (dholak, tabla, harmonium), RDB was the master at western instruments so RDB was the obvious choice for producers who were targeting youths in their movies. My impression is that though R D Burman was popular for quite a long time (Kishna Shah took him for Shalimar, that was quite a credit in those days), the signal-to-noise ratio in RDB's music was the worst among all bollywood MDs, even worse than Anu malik. By that, I mean to say that RDB had given many more junk songs than he had given good songs. Luckily, Junk songs disappeared without a trace and current generation gets to hear only his surviving good songs, so they think he was all around great. It was not so. I can say that while ARR has consistent creativity and experimentation, RDB was a case of creativity and experimentation gone haywire. His several songs lik Samandar Mein Naha Ke Aur Bhi Namkeen Ho Gayi ho, and Dhoop Mein Nikla Na karo Roop Ki Rani sounded a pain on the ears and head. He would give one good album and 4 sickening albums. So, RDB was a big name for quite some, but I think he was never a ruling no. 1 of bollywood like Anu Malik or Nadeem Sharavan or LP or Shankaj Jaikishan or Naushad had been from time to time. I think Shaan, 1980 was one of their last big budget film of their era that too flopped. After giving 10-15 films each year in 80-85, they went single digit for a few years and were soon bygone by 1989. So, you can say that RDB's era ended by 1983-85. And then, first Anand Milind appeared with Lal Dupatta Malmal Ka and then Nadeem Shravan had appeared with Aashiqi and both pairs ruled the heart of music lovers for quite some time. Anu Malik was giving absolute cacophony earning them pure hatred but then they discovered themselves with telefilm Phir Teri Kahani Yaad Aayi in 1993 and started winning the hearts of listeners. And that was the time when a new star has risen in music sky. His name is ARR. -- Those who love several of RDB's albums are the ones who hate dozens of his (RDB's) remaining albums. So, I think it was LP last, who had consistent high quality across most of his albums and songs, and after than it was/ is ARR who has consistent high quality across most of his albums and songs. In between, all others had less signals and more noise. We would listen to whatever rare good album/ song they produced but didn't become there fans. With this rough indicative history, if RDB's era ended by 1985, those who were 15-30 at that time would be around 39-54 now. Seeing the posts in this list you might not realize, but I think there would be quite a few members here in that age range or approaching that. And they are here because they love ARR's music. -- Rawat
Re: [arr] Re: Let's keep in mind the attitudes and exposure of the elders
On 3/6/2009 3:32 PM India Time, _jibandevta_ wrote: Very good article Rawat..the analysis is wonderfull..BTW liked the line: And that was the time when a new star has risen in music sky. His name is ARR. and the name is still ruling and will rule forever .. ha ha. Actually, that single line was the purpose of entire write up. I sometimes feels that youger ones are enjoying ARR's music but they don't know the significance of the phenomenon of ARR - all that action-revenge thinggy started by Amitabh ji way back in 1973 had reached a crescendo leaving no space for music, the cacophony that was sold as music in 80s and early 90s, song banks evolving having 1000s of ready tunes, Gulshan Kumar and T Series becoming the patrons and protectors and launchers of MDs and singers, MDs themselves so egoistic and loud-foul-spoken, TV gone colored in 1982 Asiad (youngsters would be surprised to know that 25 years ago, TV was black and white and single channel), there was no cable TV till 1991 - we first heard about it in Iraq Quwait war, FM radio was not yet there and nobody used to listen to AM/SW radio, internet not yet there, mobile phones not yet there, multiplexes not yet there, Indian pop music not yet there. In such a technologically stone age, entertainment-less world, the only relief were the occasional sweet music albums by someone, leading to wasting money in buying his next few albums which were again junk. And then ARR arrived and made lovely music a precedence, a right that listeners can expect and get in each and every of his album, with variety. I think if younger fans of ARR can realize the implication of the other scenario, then they would know why we got sold to him and why we retain our unwavering trust in him even when we don't like some occasional album/ song of him. Regards -jiban jai ho Thanks. -- Rawat
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There you go. . My dad still listens only to 70's and 80's On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:34 AM, ramakrisha laxmana subramanian siva gopala acharya iyer .aiyooo amma idli wada dosa sambar chatni . sriramiye...@yahoo.co.in wrote: You put it very well! My dad loves the classical old tamil malayalam songs, whenever I play ANY say 'fast track' he doesn't seem to like it. He likes slow and soft music and doesn't care for whose music it is by. I was wondering how people could listen to and love say Himesh or even Anu Malik. But there is something about them which attracts people, and they love AR too, but are more into the former. So at the end of the day, its all about personal choices. And a majority of youngsters in my college love AR and seem to connect with his music instantly, but it varies with every album. They loved 'Jaane tu' more than JA, but for me it's vice-versa. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, Chord purev...@... wrote: After reading Jagjit Singh's, Pyarelal's and Ali Khan's comments about ARR and his music, it also struck me the big generational differences in terms of attitudes and exposure towards music. Personally, I have found that even with people I know, like my parents and their friends, their appreciation for music is within a narrow range. Anything outside that range is overlooked and not appreciated as much, and sometimes ridiculed. I have found that amongst many elders, there is a certain arrogance or haughtiness implying, we know what's best. This is a product of our culture revering elders and their wisdom by tradition in contrast to many seniors and elders feeling left out and disrespected by attitudinal changes in today's world reflecting less respect and reverie towards seniors. For example, when I gave my parents a copy of the D6 CD, they only liked the folk and semi-classical elements of the soundtrack. That's it. When I asked them about Jaane Tu, they said that they didn't like the music, although they love and appreciate ARR's other works that are more in line with their taste. Of course, even within elders, there will be a lot of variation in terms of taste and attitude, but overall, I feel that they are more narrow minded about music than we youngsters are OVERALL AS A GROUP, keeping in mind individual differences. Because ARR's music is so diverse and touching upon so many different genres, a large percentage of his work is not going to be appreciated by those with more narrow minded definitions of good music. Who knows, maybe when we reach that age, we too may reflect some of that narrow mindedness in terms of our exposure compared to what the youth may be listening to at that time. However, I have hope that because we youngsters have been exposed to such an array of world music through ARR and other artists, I think we will generally have a broader appreciation for music than previous generations. ARR has gifted us with something very important: tolerance and open mindedness for different types of music. Thank you ARR!
[arr] Re: Let's keep in mind the attitudes and exposure of the elders
2009-03-01
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ramakrisha laxmana subramanian siva gopala acharya iyer .aiyooo amma idli wada dosa sambar chatni .
You put it very well! My dad loves the classical old tamil malayalam songs, whenever I play ANY say 'fast track' he doesn't seem to like it. He likes slow and soft music and doesn't care for whose music it is by. I was wondering how people could listen to and love say Himesh or even Anu Malik. But there is something about them which attracts people, and they love AR too, but are more into the former. So at the end of the day, its all about personal choices. And a majority of youngsters in my college love AR and seem to connect with his music instantly, but it varies with every album. They loved 'Jaane tu' more than JA, but for me it's vice-versa. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Chord purev...@... wrote: After reading Jagjit Singh's, Pyarelal's and Ali Khan's comments about ARR and his music, it also struck me the big generational differences in terms of attitudes and exposure towards music. Personally, I have found that even with people I know, like my parents and their friends, their appreciation for music is within a narrow range. Anything outside that range is overlooked and not appreciated as much, and sometimes ridiculed. I have found that amongst many elders, there is a certain arrogance or haughtiness implying, we know what's best. This is a product of our culture revering elders and their wisdom by tradition in contrast to many seniors and elders feeling left out and disrespected by attitudinal changes in today's world reflecting less respect and reverie towards seniors. For example, when I gave my parents a copy of the D6 CD, they only liked the folk and semi-classical elements of the soundtrack. That's it. When I asked them about Jaane Tu, they said that they didn't like the music, although they love and appreciate ARR's other works that are more in line with their taste. Of course, even within elders, there will be a lot of variation in terms of taste and attitude, but overall, I feel that they are more narrow minded about music than we youngsters are OVERALL AS A GROUP, keeping in mind individual differences. Because ARR's music is so diverse and touching upon so many different genres, a large percentage of his work is not going to be appreciated by those with more narrow minded definitions of good music. Who knows, maybe when we reach that age, we too may reflect some of that narrow mindedness in terms of our exposure compared to what the youth may be listening to at that time. However, I have hope that because we youngsters have been exposed to such an array of world music through ARR and other artists, I think we will generally have a broader appreciation for music than previous generations. ARR has gifted us with something very important: tolerance and open mindedness for different types of music. Thank you ARR!
