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Just checked mail and was highly surprised with the kind of reactions my post got. I JUST WROTE WHAT I FELT, AND THAT'S IT. but may be I had forgotten that I don't have that luxury of honestly expressing what I felt. now that Vijay has tried to put an end to it I would avoid to extend it. however still I feel that this group is becoming a bunch of fanboys and yes men, who only want to see all praises all the time. I feel really sorry for that and sorry for ARR too because more than any good this attitude can do bad to him, as such blind fans who discourage any type of healthy criticism can cause fall of any artist no matter how big he/she is. I also wonder why I have to constantly remind that I am as much a loyal and big fan of him as everyone else here is, or may be more. but that certainly doesn't mean that I lie and be a yes man. I am sure ARR also needs honest feedback and that's what we all should try to do. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Vijay Mohan Iyer vi...@... wrote: Everybody, Let's put an end to this. We all agree that; (a) we definitely dont need yes men - and you can trust that Gopal and me arent... (b) there are glitches in stage production - and there is a constant feedback process back to the production team on that (c) My reaction probably was a bit emotional + impulsiveunconditional apology to Jehangzeb Take care everyone and keep smiling and listening -: Vijay On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:51 AM, ChanderR chandersai...@... wrote: Having read this thread,I agree with your point of view! Well done! On 24/01/2010, at 1:16 PM, raj arr_naga...@... wrote: Having observed this thread for a while, I would just like to add that If we dont like something abt the post let us discuss it, instead of just saying 'Shut up/Dont post like this' etc. Though 'AR was offkey through out' was offensive for few, this thread could have been better had Vijay said 'I dont agree because of the reason' instead of saying 'Who asked ur expert opinion?' which discourages someone to post. @vithur, This cant be a reason why mods dont post. After all this is a place to share opinions. Mods opinion can also be questioned. As they are close to AR, I am sure they are used to contradictions, optionons,criticism etc.I just feel they are too busy and hence they dont post. Having said all these, I ( and I am sure many others) still have the same respect for Vijay as its just one odd comment and it takes years to build a reputation. Let us take a leaf out of AR's style of handling criticism, 'Take the best and leave the rest. If neccassary reply'. Jai ho!!! --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, catchgops catchgops@ wrote: Are you taking your anger out here because some one conned you into paying for a free concert? Jokes apart, Sam, that's hitting below the belt, can't let that pass. Constructive criticism is welcome but just as we don't need yes men, we don't need slanderers either. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, Sam samsinging@ wrote: When we pay $500 to watch the concert.. we have full right to our own feelings and express them here --- On Sat, 1/23/10, DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ wrote: From: DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:09 AM Â I think Rahman Offkey is certainly a loose statement and not worth to respond, but since ARR is my Guru, I am doing so, The songs sung by ARR are those also composed by him so he has every right to perform them in whatever way / remix them / change the tone in any way he wants. Audience comes to see him performing and not to check if all his tones are true to the CD. And let ARR decide how he wants to sing his own songs. If ARR wanted to add any additional lyrics / miss out on some / change the tone / tune during concert, it is his song / creation and he has full right to do so. So please refrain from making such statements which none of us are qualified to make. best regards Dinesh Vaidya TWS Rahmania, Pune --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, vijay@ wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated
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Thanks Avinaash for summing it up so effectively and for seconding me. I really appreciate it. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, avinaash.kapur avinaash.ka...@... wrote: Nothing wrong with posting a opinion. Do you want this group to be a bunch of YES MEN praising everything or do you want this group to be both critical and appreciative of our boss's output? Jahanzeb was not very harsh in his tone. He said good things about the concert too. Try to be objective and see if there is any validity in this argument. Check out the songs again and if you still things ALL songs had top notch singing then we have a issue.:-) I do realize live singing is extremely difficult and challenging but AR now has a reputation of a World Class performer and he needs to maintain the high standards he set for himself all the time. Price of success and acclaim if you ask me :-) :-) And good things can always come out of criticism. I salute the guys who had the courage to point out the belmishes in Blue. Thanks to them we are now enjoying the cleaner sound in VTV. I am sure AR will always ensure clean and crsip sound in his forthcoming albums. Thanks Jahanzeb for having the courage to stand up and speak out. We need more guys who can voice healthy ctiticism. P.S 1. For all those guys posting irrelavant you tube links trying to prove Aromale was a lift... If Aromale was copied from Pink Floyd/Other 70s Rock artists then all his quawwalis were copied from old hindi quawallis and all his dance numbers are inspired from countless techno songs. Just becoz two songs are in the same genre does not make the copied/inspired --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Vijay vijay@ wrote: Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebtippu@ wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Hey Jahanzeb Relax man. Happens. Take it easy and do remain participative. Actually, we have had some really cool debates here. Some even pertaining to the sound quality. As recently as few months ago if you recall we had a lot of email exchange on the sound quality of BLUE. Few felt something was wrong with the final output.I was part of that few, i still think so.After VTV, hell yes! Chill. Don't worry. Matter closed! regards wb Remixes I Originals I Opinions at http://www.wiredbeats.com From: Jahanzeb jahanzebti...@yahoo.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 25 January, 2010 8:32:05 PM Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Just checked mail and was highly surprised with the kind of reactions my post got. I JUST WROTE WHAT I FELT, AND THAT'S IT. but may be I had forgotten that I don't have that luxury of honestly expressing what I felt. now that Vijay has tried to put an end to it I would avoid to extend it. however still I feel that this group is becoming a bunch of fanboys and yes men, who only want to see all praises all the time. I feel really sorry for that and sorry for ARR too because more than any good this attitude can do bad to him, as such blind fans who discourage any type of healthy criticism can cause fall of any artist no matter how big he/she is. I also wonder why I have to constantly remind that I am as much a loyal and big fan of him as everyone else here is, or may be more. but that certainly doesn't mean that I lie and be a yes man. I am sure ARR also needs honest feedback and that's what we all should try to do. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Vijay Mohan Iyer vi...@... wrote: Everybody, Let's put an end to this. We all agree that; (a) we definitely dont need yes men - and you can trust that Gopal and me arent... (b) there are glitches in stage production - and there is a constant feedback process back to the production team on that (c) My reaction probably was a bit emotional + impulsive... .unconditional apology to Jehangzeb... . Take care everyone and keep smiling and listening -: Vijay On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:51 AM, ChanderR chandersai_ 2...@... wrote: Having read this thread,I agree with your point of view! Well done! On 24/01/2010, at 1:16 PM, raj arr_nagaraj@ ... wrote: Having observed this thread for a while, I would just like to add that If we dont like something abt the post let us discuss it, instead of just saying 'Shut up/Dont post like this' etc. Though 'AR was offkey through out' was offensive for few, this thread could have been better had Vijay said 'I dont agree because of the reason' instead of saying 'Who asked ur expert opinion?' which discourages someone to post. @vithur, This cant be a reason why mods dont post. After all this is a place to share opinions. Mods opinion can also be questioned. As they are close to AR, I am sure they are used to contradictions, optionons,criticism etc.I just feel they are too busy and hence they dont post. Having said all these, I ( and I am sure many others) still have the same respect for Vijay as its just one odd comment and it takes years to build a reputation. Let us take a leaf out of AR's style of handling criticism, 'Take the best and leave the rest. If neccassary reply'. Jai ho!!! --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com arrahmanfans% 40yahoogroups. com, catchgops catchgops@ wrote: Are you taking your anger out here because some one conned you into paying for a free concert? Jokes apart, Sam, that's hitting below the belt, can't let that pass. Constructive criticism is welcome but just as we don't need yes men, we don't need slanderers either. --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com arrahmanfans% 40yahoogroups. com, Sam samsinging@ wrote: When we pay $500 to watch the concert.. we have full right to our own feelings and express them here --- On Sat, 1/23/10, DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ wrote: From: DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com arrahmanfans% 40yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:09 AM Â I think Rahman Offkey is certainly a loose statement and not worth to respond, but since ARR is my Guru, I am doing so, The songs sung by ARR are those also composed by him so he has every right to perform them in whatever way / remix them / change the tone in any way he wants. Audience comes to see him performing and not to check if all his tones are true to the CD. And let ARR decide how he wants to sing his own songs. If ARR wanted to add any additional lyrics / miss out on some / change the tone / tune during concert, it is his song / creation and he has full right to do so. So please
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I think Rahman Offkey is certainly a loose statement and not worth to respond, but since ARR is my Guru, I am doing so, The songs sung by ARR are those also composed by him so he has every right to perform them in whatever way / remix them / change the tone in any way he wants. Audience comes to see him performing and not to check if all his tones are true to the CD. And let ARR decide how he wants to sing his own songs. If ARR wanted to add any additional lyrics / miss out on some / change the tone / tune during concert, it is his song / creation and he has full right to do so. So please refrain from making such statements which none of us are qualified to make. best regards Dinesh Vaidya TWS Rahmania, Pune --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, vi...@... wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Guys Guys Guys, I have just come back from the Muscat Concert-It was mindblowing,what an Jaw dropping performance from Lush's RAP to Vivanne's French sound to Stephen's Keyboards to the amazing lead guitarist to Vellai Pokal Video being played in the large LED screen and Most of all our Man's Performance, to all the detractors did you all know that this ARR concert in Muscat was the biggest in the Sultanate Of Oman's History-record number of people turned up and the production value was unparalled-ONLY CAN BE ACHEIVED BY ARR- Please do not comment just by listening or seeing some cheap rip off Videos or tracks.We all should be Proud by the mere fact that ARR is conducting concerts of world standards (Lighting,Settings,Performance,Performers)-It is an experience beleive me Regards, --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Vithur vith...@gmail.com wrote: From: Vithur vith...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 12:31 PM Km Musiq label has got nothing to do with AR concerts,, and I believe Vijay responded to this mail , out of his love for ARR, and lets not mix things.. Everyone has the freedom to write Jahanzeb feels that way. The more the concerts one attends, the more one realises and understands the issues behind . Its very easy for someone to comment without knowing the ground reality. Now I realise why Vijay or Gops dont write that many mails in the groups !!! On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Ramesh R triscod...@yahoo. com wrote: Precisely! Jahanzeb is well within his rights to offer his opinion/criticism. And considering that Vijay is affiliated to KM Musiq (the label?) it's irresponsible of him to respond in that fashion. If you're going to be in the music/PR business then you should learn to take honest criticism in the right spirit. My personal reaction is quite similar to what Jahanzeb stated. I thought Mausam Escape was terrific and perhaps the best part of the concert! I also liked a lot of the stripped-down/ simple versions like Udhaya/Tu Hi Re. ARR was good in Khwaja but it looked like he was out of breath in the other songs and I didn't like them as much. I'm not saying they were bad. It's just the nature of a lot of ARR songs being heavily produced with layers and effects that don't translate too well for me in a concert setting (a lot of the unplugged versions are exceptions though). For this same reason I haven't been keen on attending any of his concerts but it's very satisfying to see the production qualities continually improve. The stage, setting and display of artist names for the Sydney concert was very nicely done. Of course, all this is based on seeing the videos on Youtube and I do understand how the real experience is much better (but there's an upper-bound that's apparent too). RR From: avinaash.kapur avinaash.kapur@ yahoo.com To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:07:47 AM Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Nothing wrong with posting a opinion. Do you want this group to be a bunch of YES MEN praising everything or do you want this group to be both critical and appreciative of our boss's output? Jahanzeb was not very harsh in his tone. He said good things about the concert too. Try to be objective and see if there is any validity in this argument. Check out the songs again and if you still things ALL songs had top notch singing then we have a issue.:-) I do realize live singing is extremely difficult and challenging but AR now has a reputation of a World Class performer and he needs to maintain the high standards he set for himself all the time. Price of success and acclaim if you ask me :-) :-) And good things can always come out of criticism. I salute the guys who had the courage to point out the belmishes in Blue. Thanks to them we are now enjoying the cleaner sound in VTV. I am sure AR will always ensure clean and crsip sound in his forthcoming albums. Thanks Jahanzeb for having the courage to stand up and speak out. We need more guys who can voice healthy ctiticism. P.S 1. For all those guys posting irrelavant you tube links trying to prove Aromale was a lift... If Aromale was copied from Pink Floyd/Other 70s Rock artists then all his quawwalis were copied from old hindi quawallis and all his dance numbers are inspired from countless techno songs. Just becoz two songs are in the same genre does not make the copied/inspired --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Vijay vi...@... wrote: Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebtippu@ ... wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha
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Have you seen any of MJ's concert live or video? Even with all the dancing, jumping and walking - singing is never compromised. It is not hard work but results that matter.. I can understand if it slips once in a while.. but this is happening far too frequent for AR in his concerts.. I have attended four of his concerts and yes, I can see improvements in recent concerts... but again can't help feeling let down when the singers mess up.. --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Gomzy™ gomtesh.upad...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gomzy™ gomtesh.upad...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 12:44 AM I simply dont get it. What kind of a perfection do you guys want in a concert? And why do you want it? If you want them to sing live, jump around, walk around, and also be perfect in their singing arent we asking for too much here ? If you want accuracy in their singing, the score , the modulations and variations please sit at home and listen to the recorded tracks ! Problem is what you guys want. Anyone realise how much AR rehearses before concert ? Forget about the hours of rehearsing at his studio, he rehearses the whole fricken night before the concert. about 10 hours. You guys need to also understand how ARs compositions are. They are usually mixed easily at the studio with the singer not having to work too hard, cuz there are multiple recordings that happen. They are very difficult to sing live. Inspite of all of this they do a decent job. And they are improving after every concert. Agreed its good to be honest. But please also see how much hardwork goes into it. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Ramesh R triscod...@yahoo. com wrote: Precisely! Jahanzeb is well within his rights to offer his opinion/criticism. And considering that Vijay is affiliated to KM Musiq (the label?) it's irresponsible of him to respond in that fashion. If you're going to be in the music/PR business then you should learn to take honest criticism in the right spirit. My personal reaction is quite similar to what Jahanzeb stated. I thought Mausam Escape was terrific and perhaps the best part of the concert! I also liked a lot of the stripped-down/ simple versions like Udhaya/Tu Hi Re. ARR was good in Khwaja but it looked like he was out of breath in the other songs and I didn't like them as much. I'm not saying they were bad. It's just the nature of a lot of ARR songs being heavily produced with layers and effects that don't translate too well for me in a concert setting (a lot of the unplugged versions are exceptions though). For this same reason I haven't been keen on attending any of his concerts but it's very satisfying to see the production qualities continually improve. The stage, setting and display of artist names for the Sydney concert was very nicely done. Of course, all this is based on seeing the videos on Youtube and I do understand how the real experience is much better (but there's an upper-bound that's apparent too). RR From: avinaash.kapur avinaash.kapur@ yahoo.com To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:07:47 AM Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Nothing wrong with posting a opinion. Do you want this group to be a bunch of YES MEN praising everything or do you want this group to be both critical and appreciative of our boss's output? Jahanzeb was not very harsh in his tone. He said good things about the concert too. Try to be objective and see if there is any validity in this argument. Check out the songs again and if you still things ALL songs had top notch singing then we have a issue.:-) I do realize live singing is extremely difficult and challenging but AR now has a reputation of a World Class performer and he needs to maintain the high standards he set for himself all the time. Price of success and acclaim if you ask me :-) :-) And good things can always come out of criticism. I salute the guys who had the courage to point out the belmishes in Blue. Thanks to them we are now enjoying the cleaner sound in VTV. I am sure AR will always ensure clean and crsip sound in his forthcoming albums. Thanks Jahanzeb for having the courage to stand up and speak out. We need more guys who can voice healthy ctiticism. P.S 1. For all those guys posting irrelavant you tube links trying to prove Aromale was a lift... If Aromale was copied from Pink Floyd/Other 70s Rock artists then all his quawwalis were copied from old hindi quawallis and all his dance numbers are inspired from countless techno songs. Just becoz two songs are in the same genre does not make the copied/inspired --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Vijay vi...@... wrote: Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebtippu@ ... wrote: thanks for sharing
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When we pay $500 to watch the concert.. we have full right to our own feelings and express them here --- On Sat, 1/23/10, DineshVaidya dnshvai...@yahoo.co.in wrote: From: DineshVaidya dnshvai...@yahoo.co.in Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:09 AM I think Rahman Offkey is certainly a loose statement and not worth to respond, but since ARR is my Guru, I am doing so, The songs sung by ARR are those also composed by him so he has every right to perform them in whatever way / remix them / change the tone in any way he wants. Audience comes to see him performing and not to check if all his tones are true to the CD. And let ARR decide how he wants to sing his own songs. If ARR wanted to add any additional lyrics / miss out on some / change the tone / tune during concert, it is his song / creation and he has full right to do so. So please refrain from making such statements which none of us are qualified to make. best regards Dinesh Vaidya TWS Rahmania, Pune --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, vi...@... wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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This is so unfair... Why should A.R.R sir and his talented team of artist go all the way to Sydney and perform for free ? Folks this is live music and that too for more than 3 hours... Don't be so harsh and too critical... His teams concert performance are incredible moments and need to be cherished, appreciated and encouraged with whole heart... I get tear every time I see A.r.r sir singing and his team performing with so much enthusiasm. Jai Ho... - Jayram --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, vi...@... wrote: Either im deaf or dont understand music...my reaction was specifically to : BOSS WAS OFFTUNE OVERALL...i heard the concert live on radio..he may have forgotten a few words in a couple of tracks but offtune overall?? Whats that?? To me that means offkey...either he was not matching the rhythm or co singers or singing in a different pitch etc... -original message- Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube From: mohammed sajin mnsa...@... Date: 23/01/2010 00:30 Unfortunate comment by a respected person From: Vijay vi...@... To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 7:16:39 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebtippu@ yahoo.com wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Are you taking your anger out here because some one conned you into paying for a free concert? Jokes apart, Sam, that's hitting below the belt, can't let that pass. Constructive criticism is welcome but just as we don't need yes men, we don't need slanderers either. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Sam samsing...@... wrote: When we pay $500 to watch the concert.. we have full right to our own feelings and express them here --- On Sat, 1/23/10, DineshVaidya dnshvai...@... wrote: From: DineshVaidya dnshvai...@... Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:09 AM Â I think Rahman Offkey is certainly a loose statement and not worth to respond, but since ARR is my Guru, I am doing so, The songs sung by ARR are those also composed by him so he has every right to perform them in whatever way / remix them / change the tone in any way he wants. Audience comes to see him performing and not to check if all his tones are true to the CD. And let ARR decide how he wants to sing his own songs. If ARR wanted to add any additional lyrics / miss out on some / change the tone / tune during concert, it is his song / creation and he has full right to do so. So please refrain from making such statements which none of us are qualified to make. best regards Dinesh Vaidya TWS Rahmania, Pune --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, vijay@ wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Sam, Comparing MJ's concerts to ARR's is like comparing Apple to Oranges, or rather Apple to Nokia. MJ's has very few artistes and MJ controls everything and is at the centre of things. ARR's is a different league altogether, having so many artistes perform together in different languages and genres only increases the complexity. I too agree that there are some glitches like synchronisation and pronunciation, which can be easily gotten rid off. Its not about hard work, music is their profession, It will be only a matter of time before the group dynamics are perfected. IMO, no western artiste can manage the complexity of ARR concert. But ARR can achieve the quality and perfection of the Western concerts. He is almost there. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM, catchgops catchg...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you taking your anger out here because some one conned you into paying for a free concert? Jokes apart, Sam, that's hitting below the belt, can't let that pass. Constructive criticism is welcome but just as we don't need yes men, we don't need slanderers either. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, Sam samsing...@... wrote: When we pay $500 to watch the concert.. we have full right to our own feelings and express them here --- On Sat, 1/23/10, DineshVaidya dnshvai...@... wrote: From: DineshVaidya dnshvai...@... Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:09 AM Â I think Rahman Offkey is certainly a loose statement and not worth to respond, but since ARR is my Guru, I am doing so, The songs sung by ARR are those also composed by him so he has every right to perform them in whatever way / remix them / change the tone in any way he wants. Audience comes to see him performing and not to check if all his tones are true to the CD. And let ARR decide how he wants to sing his own songs. If ARR wanted to add any additional lyrics / miss out on some / change the tone / tune during concert, it is his song / creation and he has full right to do so. So please refrain from making such statements which none of us are qualified to make. best regards Dinesh Vaidya TWS Rahmania, Pune --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, vijay@ wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2...@... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Exactly , If Mj can do it .. why not ARR ?? ARR's Dubai concert was so damn good , that they released The whole concert as a Audio CD a DVD . Even USA Concert was also released on a DVD So many artists Linkin Park , MJ Released their LIVE performance as a DVD ...Just because Their performance was so flawless , almost like the original version with a bit of change . I can remember no flaws in USA , Dubai concert either ...but i would say that USA concert is the best ARR concert ever , In terms of sound ,song selection , pitching etc etc .He managed to achieve perfection some years back...y not now ??? I m saying this out of extreme love i have for ARR . when i see this Little flaws in the concerts , i feel like something unfair happening to me .Why these flaws happening with me ? On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Sam samsing...@yahoo.com wrote: Have you seen any of MJ's concert live or video? Even with all the dancing, jumping and walking - singing is never compromised. -- - Regards ~ ~ A.R.Rajib ~ ~
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some of the early performances of MJ - Like the Billy Jeans in Motown weren't performed live. it was a recorded track and he just lip-synced to it. because a lot of importance is given to his dance rather than the song. there may be various reasons for not including singers like Sonu Nigam and Sukhvinder singh that we don't know. it could also be because ar like to give opportunities to the upcoming singers. given the kind of set up, the variety of songs performed, the audience interaction and the excitement, there is always a chance to forget a few lines or even go off-key a bit. come on, they are singing their hearts out for 2 and half hours. no one is that perfect. It is probably easy to perform a rock or jazz concert than AR's concert. when Bryan adams performs, the audience are only his fans or people who love that kind of music. but for an AR's concert all indians would go and even some foreigners. the level of expectation is even higher. Finally, there is nothing wrong with going off-key or out of tune here and there, that's what the live concert is all about.. there will be mistakes, and there will be terrific performances like the Mousam and escape. a concert is enjoyed as a whole not song by song, IMHO Ta
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I understand it is easy to be a arm chair critic and an opinion is just a few loose key strokes away. Of course there are several highlights in the concert. The production was grand, the effects were special, the enthusiasm was infectious. And Escape and Mausam was off the charts.But in my opinion we are talking about some valid criticism here No one is questioning Rahman's dedication or sincerity or the hard work that goes behind each performance. I think some of us are prudent enough to realize that the limitations of a live performance as well. But if you look at some of the live recordings that have went on to become cult classics . Pulse from Pink Floyd, Hell Freezes Over - Eaglesyou will agree that they add their own charm. Sure there is a lot of post production work that must have gone in but still... On the other hand, I have listened to several live recordings ( Live in Albert Hall types) of quite a few legendary Hindi singers (both alive and dead) that make me cringe and scramble for the skip button. It does not mean we are insulting these legends or my respect for them has gone down. It is just that they have set themselves such high benchmarks through studio recordings that any ordinary performance sticks out like a sore thumb. We have a couple of options here. One - we can celebrate mediocrity and be in denial and sing All Izz Well :-) :-). Or look back... be honest... and progress. After Oscars as Rahman himself mentioned expectations have sky rocketed. I am sure Rahman has aroused the interest of new audiences. I do not think this live performance makes a great introduction to his work though P.S. Also bummed out about a missed opportunity of a HD/5.1 DVD release of a Rahman Live concert. From: Gomzy™ gomtesh.upad...@gmail.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 12:44:21 AM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube I simply dont get it. What kind of a perfection do you guys want in a concert? And why do you want it? If you want them to sing live, jump around, walk around, and also be perfect in their singing arent we asking for too much here ? If you want accuracy in their singing, the score , the modulations and variations please sit at home and listen to the recorded tracks ! Problem is what you guys want. Anyone realise how much AR rehearses before concert ? Forget about the hours of rehearsing at his studio, he rehearses the whole fricken night before the concert. about 10 hours. You guys need to also understand how ARs compositions are. They are usually mixed easily at the studio with the singer not having to work too hard, cuz there are multiple recordings that happen. They are very difficult to sing live. Inspite of all of this they do a decent job. And they are improving after every concert. Agreed its good to be honest. But please also see how much hardwork goes into it. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Ramesh R triscod...@yahoo. com wrote: Precisely! Jahanzeb is well within his rights to offer his opinion/criticism. And considering that Vijay is affiliated to KM Musiq (the label?) it's irresponsible of him to respond in that fashion. If you're going to be in the music/PR business then you should learn to take honest criticism in the right spirit. My personal reaction is quite similar to what Jahanzeb stated. I thought Mausam Escape was terrific and perhaps the best part of the concert! I also liked a lot of the stripped-down/ simple versions like Udhaya/Tu Hi Re. ARR was good in Khwaja but it looked like he was out of breath in the other songs and I didn't like them as much. I'm not saying they were bad. It's just the nature of a lot of ARR songs being heavily produced with layers and effects that don't translate too well for me in a concert setting (a lot of the unplugged versions are exceptions though). For this same reason I haven't been keen on attending any of his concerts but it's very satisfying to see the production qualities continually improve. The stage, setting and display of artist names for the Sydney concert was very nicely done. Of course, all this is based on seeing the videos on Youtube and I do understand how the real experience is much better (but there's an upper-bound that's apparent too). RR From: avinaash.kapur avinaash.kapur@ yahoo.com To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:07:47 AM Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Nothing wrong with posting a opinion. Do you want this group to be a bunch of YES MEN praising everything or do you want this group to be both critical and appreciative of our boss's output? Jahanzeb was not very harsh in his tone. He said good things about the concert too. Try to be objective and see if there is any validity
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U r kidding about the 500 $ . or someone ripped u off. and no MJ concert had the same MJ singing as the original song. NO ARR song can be sung exactly as in the studio. and I dont want to either. I can watch enough similar sounding Movie visuals for that. Just enjoy.. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:56 AM, Sam samsing...@yahoo.com wrote: When we pay $500 to watch the concert.. we have full right to our own feelings and express them here --- On *Sat, 1/23/10, DineshVaidya dnshvai...@yahoo.co.in* wrote: From: DineshVaidya dnshvai...@yahoo.co.in Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:09 AM I think Rahman Offkey is certainly a loose statement and not worth to respond, but since ARR is my Guru, I am doing so, The songs sung by ARR are those also composed by him so he has every right to perform them in whatever way / remix them / change the tone in any way he wants. Audience comes to see him performing and not to check if all his tones are true to the CD. And let ARR decide how he wants to sing his own songs. If ARR wanted to add any additional lyrics / miss out on some / change the tone / tune during concert, it is his song / creation and he has full right to do so. So please refrain from making such statements which none of us are qualified to make. best regards Dinesh Vaidya TWS Rahmania, Pune --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. comhttp://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, vi...@... wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2...@... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder.. -- All you need to do is decide what to do with the time that is given to you - Gandalf the Gray.
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If u think MJ sang all his songs live, then u r WRONG, my friend. and I'm not criticizing MJ negatively for that. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:47 AM, A.R.Rajib a.r.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly , If Mj can do it .. why not ARR ?? ARR's Dubai concert was so damn good , that they released The whole concert as a Audio CD a DVD . Even USA Concert was also released on a DVD So many artists Linkin Park , MJ Released their LIVE performance as a DVD ...Just because Their performance was so flawless , almost like the original version with a bit of change . I can remember no flaws in USA , Dubai concert either ...but i would say that USA concert is the best ARR concert ever , In terms of sound ,song selection , pitching etc etc .He managed to achieve perfection some years back...y not now ??? I m saying this out of extreme love i have for ARR . when i see this Little flaws in the concerts , i feel like something unfair happening to me .Why these flaws happening with me ? On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Sam samsing...@yahoo.com wrote: Have you seen any of MJ's concert live or video? Even with all the dancing, jumping and walking - singing is never compromised. -- - Regards ~ ~ A.R.Rajib ~ ~ -- All you need to do is decide what to do with the time that is given to you - Gandalf the Gray.
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I agree with Prasad completely. Here's my take: The Sydney concert was visually beautiful, the mood very energetic and electric, the song selection very good with great sampling of Rahman's works. I loved how Rahman was so outgoing, at ease, spontaneous, much more crowd friendly and crowd comfortable than he used to be in previous concerts IMO. I really think he's come a long way with regard to his social confidence and ease of live, mass communication...which is so nice and refreshing. Previously, we'd see ARR standing behind the keyboards looking down with very little audience engagement. That has changed. He's becoming a true showman now too! Was AR's singing off overall? No. Was AR's singing off at times? Yes. So be it. And you know what? If ARR reads this here in the group, I think he would agree that his singing was off at times and personally wouldn't mind the criticism. Yes, we all know how difficult it is to sing live and to coordinate everything. Yes, we all know that Rahman is a great studio singer. Does that mean that someone can't make an observation and point out relative weaknesses in the performances? No. This group exists to celebrate ARR's music/performances, but also to analyze them and occasionally criticize too, and that's a good thing. Objectivity in a fan base only lends credibility. Healthy criticism does not mean you disrespect AR. Again, I think AR himself is open to reasonable criticism, and I think saying that his singing during the performance was at times off is reasonable and that there is room for improvement. By stating that, it doesn't mean someone is bashing AR, the concert, or showing disrespect. Please don't read too much into what some people are saying. Yes, I think the comment ARR was off overall is overstating things and not accurate, but there is truth that ARR's singing was quite off AT TIMES. At other times, he sang very well. Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill. If I believe that AR himself will take these things in good spirit and recognize areas of improvement for future shows, I think we too should follow in the same spirit and be careful of overreacting. We all love ARR a lot and emotions can run high sometimes, but please, let's just try to maintain a healthy perspective and avoid being impulsive and exaggerative in our statements. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Prasad Varma svspva...@... wrote: I understand it is easy to be a arm chair critic and an opinion is just a few loose key strokes away. Of course there are several highlights in the concert. The production was grand, the effects were special, the enthusiasm was infectious. And Escape and Mausam was off the charts.But in my opinion we are talking about some valid criticism here No one is questioning Rahman's dedication or sincerity or the hard work that goes behind each performance. I think some of us are prudent enough to realize that the limitations of a live performance as well. But if you look at some of the live recordings that have went on to become cult classics . Pulse from Pink Floyd, Hell Freezes Over - Eaglesyou will agree that they add their own charm. Sure there is a lot of post production work that must have gone in but still... On the other hand, I have listened to several live recordings ( Live in Albert Hall types) of quite a few legendary Hindi singers (both alive and dead) that make me cringe and scramble for the skip button. It does not mean we are insulting these legends or my respect for them has gone down. It is just that they have set themselves such high benchmarks through studio recordings that any ordinary performance sticks out like a sore thumb. We have a couple of options here. One - we can celebrate mediocrity and be in denial and sing All Izz Well :-) :-). Or look back... be honest... and progress. After Oscars as Rahman himself mentioned expectations have sky rocketed. I am sure Rahman has aroused the interest of new audiences. I do not think this live performance makes a great introduction to his work though P.S. Also bummed out about a missed opportunity of a HD/5.1 DVD release of a Rahman Live concert. From: Gomzy⢠gomtesh.upad...@... To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 12:44:21 AM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube I simply dont get it. What kind of a perfection do you guys want in a concert? And why do you want it? If you want them to sing live, jump around, walk around, and also be perfect in their singing arent we asking for too much here ? If you want accuracy in their singing, the score , the modulations and variations please sit at home and listen to the recorded tracks ! Problem is what you guys want. Anyone realise how much AR rehearses before concert ? Forget about
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Having observed this thread for a while, I would just like to add that If we dont like something abt the post let us discuss it, instead of just saying 'Shut up/Dont post like this' etc. Though 'AR was offkey through out' was offensive for few, this thread could have been better had Vijay said 'I dont agree because of the reason' instead of saying 'Who asked ur expert opinion?' which discourages someone to post. @vithur, This cant be a reason why mods dont post. After all this is a place to share opinions. Mods opinion can also be questioned. As they are close to AR, I am sure they are used to contradictions, optionons,criticism etc.I just feel they are too busy and hence they dont post. Having said all these, I ( and I am sure many others) still have the same respect for Vijay as its just one odd comment and it takes years to build a reputation. Let us take a leaf out of AR's style of handling criticism, 'Take the best and leave the rest. If neccassary reply'. Jai ho!!! --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, catchgops catchg...@... wrote: Are you taking your anger out here because some one conned you into paying for a free concert? Jokes apart, Sam, that's hitting below the belt, can't let that pass. Constructive criticism is welcome but just as we don't need yes men, we don't need slanderers either. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Sam samsinging@ wrote: When we pay $500 to watch the concert.. we have full right to our own feelings and express them here --- On Sat, 1/23/10, DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ wrote: From: DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:09 AM Â I think Rahman Offkey is certainly a loose statement and not worth to respond, but since ARR is my Guru, I am doing so, The songs sung by ARR are those also composed by him so he has every right to perform them in whatever way / remix them / change the tone in any way he wants. Audience comes to see him performing and not to check if all his tones are true to the CD. And let ARR decide how he wants to sing his own songs. If ARR wanted to add any additional lyrics / miss out on some / change the tone / tune during concert, it is his song / creation and he has full right to do so. So please refrain from making such statements which none of us are qualified to make. best regards Dinesh Vaidya TWS Rahmania, Pune --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, vijay@ wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Having read this thread,I agree with your point of view! Well done! On 24/01/2010, at 1:16 PM, raj arr_naga...@yahoo.com wrote: Having observed this thread for a while, I would just like to add that If we dont like something abt the post let us discuss it, instead of just saying 'Shut up/Dont post like this' etc. Though 'AR was offkey through out' was offensive for few, this thread could have been better had Vijay said 'I dont agree because of the reason' instead of saying 'Who asked ur expert opinion?' which discourages someone to post. @vithur, This cant be a reason why mods dont post. After all this is a place to share opinions. Mods opinion can also be questioned. As they are close to AR, I am sure they are used to contradictions, optionons,criticism etc.I just feel they are too busy and hence they dont post. Having said all these, I ( and I am sure many others) still have the same respect for Vijay as its just one odd comment and it takes years to build a reputation. Let us take a leaf out of AR's style of handling criticism, 'Take the best and leave the rest. If neccassary reply'. Jai ho!!! --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, catchgops catchg...@... wrote: Are you taking your anger out here because some one conned you into paying for a free concert? Jokes apart, Sam, that's hitting below the belt, can't let that pass. Constructive criticism is welcome but just as we don't need yes men, we don't need slanderers either. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Sam samsinging@ wrote: When we pay $500 to watch the concert.. we have full right to our own feelings and express them here --- On Sat, 1/23/10, DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ wrote: From: DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:09 AM Â I think Rahman Offkey is certainly a loose statement and not worth to respond, but since ARR is my Guru, I am doing so, The songs sung by ARR are those also composed by him so he has every right to perform them in whatever way / remix them / change the tone in any way he wants. Audience comes to see him performing and not to check if all his tones are true to the CD. And let ARR decide how he wants to sing his own songs. If ARR wanted to add any additional lyrics / miss out on some / change the tone / tune during concert, it is his song / creation and he has full right to do so. So please refrain from making such statements which none of us are qualified to make. best regards Dinesh Vaidya TWS Rahmania, Pune --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, vijay@ wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Everybody, Let's put an end to this. We all agree that; (a) we definitely dont need yes men - and you can trust that Gopal and me arent... (b) there are glitches in stage production - and there is a constant feedback process back to the production team on that (c) My reaction probably was a bit emotional + impulsiveunconditional apology to Jehangzeb Take care everyone and keep smiling and listening -: Vijay On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:51 AM, ChanderR chandersai...@yahoo.com wrote: Having read this thread,I agree with your point of view! Well done! On 24/01/2010, at 1:16 PM, raj arr_naga...@yahoo.com wrote: Having observed this thread for a while, I would just like to add that If we dont like something abt the post let us discuss it, instead of just saying 'Shut up/Dont post like this' etc. Though 'AR was offkey through out' was offensive for few, this thread could have been better had Vijay said 'I dont agree because of the reason' instead of saying 'Who asked ur expert opinion?' which discourages someone to post. @vithur, This cant be a reason why mods dont post. After all this is a place to share opinions. Mods opinion can also be questioned. As they are close to AR, I am sure they are used to contradictions, optionons,criticism etc.I just feel they are too busy and hence they dont post. Having said all these, I ( and I am sure many others) still have the same respect for Vijay as its just one odd comment and it takes years to build a reputation. Let us take a leaf out of AR's style of handling criticism, 'Take the best and leave the rest. If neccassary reply'. Jai ho!!! --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, catchgops catchg...@... wrote: Are you taking your anger out here because some one conned you into paying for a free concert? Jokes apart, Sam, that's hitting below the belt, can't let that pass. Constructive criticism is welcome but just as we don't need yes men, we don't need slanderers either. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, Sam samsinging@ wrote: When we pay $500 to watch the concert.. we have full right to our own feelings and express them here --- On Sat, 1/23/10, DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ wrote: From: DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:09 AM Â I think Rahman Offkey is certainly a loose statement and not worth to respond, but since ARR is my Guru, I am doing so, The songs sung by ARR are those also composed by him so he has every right to perform them in whatever way / remix them / change the tone in any way he wants. Audience comes to see him performing and not to check if all his tones are true to the CD. And let ARR decide how he wants to sing his own songs. If ARR wanted to add any additional lyrics / miss out on some / change the tone / tune during concert, it is his song / creation and he has full right to do so. So please refrain from making such statements which none of us are qualified to make. best regards Dinesh Vaidya TWS Rahmania, Pune --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, vijay@ wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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No mate.. definitely did not pay for this one.. but did pay for his other concerts.. Many of my friends / colleagues who attended / saw this concert (as well as his previous ones) felt AR and other singers blew it at times.. not the entire song though..just a wee bit.. but that's enough for us to notice the difference.. especially I dare say that we hear his songs more times than himself. If I recall correctly, AR apologized to the audience when Noor-un-ala-noor (by Qadir / Murtaza) went totally off track in Singapore concert.. (and that was so nice of him..) I guess we have come a long way now.. concerts are getting much better with the presentation / performance.. I certainly wouldn't miss a chance to attend his next one if it is in the vicinity.. and even more certainly carry a much bigger expectation (as we always do for his next album) --- On Sat, 1/23/10, catchgops catchg...@yahoo.com wrote: From: catchgops catchg...@yahoo.com Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:07 AM Are you taking your anger out here because some one conned you into paying for a free concert? Jokes apart, Sam, that's hitting below the belt, can't let that pass. Constructive criticism is welcome but just as we don't need yes men, we don't need slanderers either. --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Sam samsinging@ ... wrote: When we pay $500 to watch the concert.. we have full right to our own feelings and express them here --- On Sat, 1/23/10, DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ ... wrote: From: DineshVaidya dnshvaidya@ ... Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:09 AM Â I think Rahman Offkey is certainly a loose statement and not worth to respond, but since ARR is my Guru, I am doing so, The songs sung by ARR are those also composed by him so he has every right to perform them in whatever way / remix them / change the tone in any way he wants. Audience comes to see him performing and not to check if all his tones are true to the CD. And let ARR decide how he wants to sing his own songs. If ARR wanted to add any additional lyrics / miss out on some / change the tone / tune during concert, it is his song / creation and he has full right to do so. So please refrain from making such statements which none of us are qualified to make. best regards Dinesh Vaidya TWS Rahmania, Pune --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, vijay@ wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2...@... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebti...@yahoo.com wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2...@... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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whats wrong with posting his opinion? On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Vijay vi...@kmmusiq.com wrote: Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebti...@yahoo.com wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2...@... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder.. -- Praveen
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please say things are all good and pls make that gentleman happy. i saw the whole concert video, it was an amazing concert. felt great pride as our own rahman even in the tensed situation with aussies managed to pull a packed house for the concert. And i too felt some things messy at times. Also noticed why our rahman was wearing those shades, as he wanted to read the lyrics in the screen, unfortunately it didnt turn out good in his favour. chandralekha ws touched up in a grt way... i loved it. And i even found a guy with beer bottle in the concert weaving his hand at the camera, for a record he broke the rule.. that was bad indeed. should have atleast edited tht moment in the video to claim australia's first alcohol free concert. jai ho rahman, atleast u like words that support u from the heart and show whats all hidden from u. another humble rahmaniac arun To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com From: pravinkar...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:06:08 +0530 Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube whats wrong with posting his opinion? On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Vijay vi...@kmmusiq.com wrote: Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebti...@yahoo.com wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2...@... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder.. -- Praveen _ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop
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Nothing wrong with posting a opinion. Do you want this group to be a bunch of YES MEN praising everything or do you want this group to be both critical and appreciative of our boss's output? Jahanzeb was not very harsh in his tone. He said good things about the concert too. Try to be objective and see if there is any validity in this argument. Check out the songs again and if you still things ALL songs had top notch singing then we have a issue.:-) I do realize live singing is extremely difficult and challenging but AR now has a reputation of a World Class performer and he needs to maintain the high standards he set for himself all the time. Price of success and acclaim if you ask me :-) :-) And good things can always come out of criticism. I salute the guys who had the courage to point out the belmishes in Blue. Thanks to them we are now enjoying the cleaner sound in VTV. I am sure AR will always ensure clean and crsip sound in his forthcoming albums. Thanks Jahanzeb for having the courage to stand up and speak out. We need more guys who can voice healthy ctiticism. P.S 1. For all those guys posting irrelavant you tube links trying to prove Aromale was a lift... If Aromale was copied from Pink Floyd/Other 70s Rock artists then all his quawwalis were copied from old hindi quawallis and all his dance numbers are inspired from countless techno songs. Just becoz two songs are in the same genre does not make the copied/inspired --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Vijay vi...@... wrote: Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebti...@... wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Unfortunate comment by a respected person From: Vijay vi...@kmmusiq.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 7:16:39 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebtippu@ yahoo.com wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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even the respected people have a bad day ;) leave it and move on.. :) On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:18 AM, mohammed sajin mnsa...@yahoo.com wrote: Unfortunate comment by a respected person http://sig.graphicsfactory.com/ * * -- -- *From:* Vijay vi...@kmmusiq.com *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 7:16:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebtippu@ yahoo.comjahanzebti...@yahoo.com wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BMhttp://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder.. -- --- http://ramblingsoul.com http://2ic.in
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The duty of criticism is neither to depreciate nor dignify by partial representations, but to hold out the light of reason, whatever it may discover; and to promulgate the determinations of truth, whatever she shall dictate - Samuel Johnson --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, mohammed sajin mnsa...@... wrote: Unfortunate comment by a respected person From: Vijay vi...@... To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 7:16:39 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebtippu@ yahoo.com wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Wow! look at that performance of Mousam and Escape! look at that! http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/9/B1woQUKkweA
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Good points, Avinash. Completely agree with your postexcellent points! Don't see you posting much. Please post more often! --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, avinaash.kapur avinaash.ka...@... wrote: Nothing wrong with posting a opinion. Do you want this group to be a bunch of YES MEN praising everything or do you want this group to be both critical and appreciative of our boss's output? Jahanzeb was not very harsh in his tone. He said good things about the concert too. Try to be objective and see if there is any validity in this argument. Check out the songs again and if you still things ALL songs had top notch singing then we have a issue.:-) I do realize live singing is extremely difficult and challenging but AR now has a reputation of a World Class performer and he needs to maintain the high standards he set for himself all the time. Price of success and acclaim if you ask me :-) :-) And good things can always come out of criticism. I salute the guys who had the courage to point out the belmishes in Blue. Thanks to them we are now enjoying the cleaner sound in VTV. I am sure AR will always ensure clean and crsip sound in his forthcoming albums. Thanks Jahanzeb for having the courage to stand up and speak out. We need more guys who can voice healthy ctiticism. P.S 1. For all those guys posting irrelavant you tube links trying to prove Aromale was a lift... If Aromale was copied from Pink Floyd/Other 70s Rock artists then all his quawwalis were copied from old hindi quawallis and all his dance numbers are inspired from countless techno songs. Just becoz two songs are in the same genre does not make the copied/inspired --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Vijay vijay@ wrote: Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebtippu@ wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Dude..I got 2 questions for you..if you can answer.. 1. How many Rahman concerts you have attended Live till date? 2. Which was the last Rahman concert you had seen in TV? and please explain in detail when you criticize open in forums like these..what do you mean by Boss was off-tune overall or Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. From: Jahanzeb jahanzebti...@yahoo.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 7:50:32 PM Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Either im deaf or dont understand music...my reaction was specifically to : BOSS WAS OFFTUNE OVERALL...i heard the concert live on radio..he may have forgotten a few words in a couple of tracks but offtune overall?? Whats that?? To me that means offkey...either he was not matching the rhythm or co singers or singing in a different pitch etc... -original message- Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube From: mohammed sajin mnsa...@yahoo.com Date: 23/01/2010 00:30 Unfortunate comment by a respected person From: Vijay vi...@kmmusiq.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 7:16:39 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebtippu@ yahoo.com wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Precisely! Jahanzeb is well within his rights to offer his opinion/criticism. And considering that Vijay is affiliated to KM Musiq (the label?) it's irresponsible of him to respond in that fashion. If you're going to be in the music/PR business then you should learn to take honest criticism in the right spirit. My personal reaction is quite similar to what Jahanzeb stated. I thought Mausam Escape was terrific and perhaps the best part of the concert! I also liked a lot of the stripped-down/simple versions like Udhaya/Tu Hi Re. ARR was good in Khwaja but it looked like he was out of breath in the other songs and I didn't like them as much. I'm not saying they were bad. It's just the nature of a lot of ARR songs being heavily produced with layers and effects that don't translate too well for me in a concert setting (a lot of the unplugged versions are exceptions though). For this same reason I haven't been keen on attending any of his concerts but it's very satisfying to see the production qualities continually improve. The stage, setting and display of artist names for the Sydney concert was very nicely done. Of course, all this is based on seeing the videos on Youtube and I do understand how the real experience is much better (but there's an upper-bound that's apparent too). RR From: avinaash.kapur avinaash.ka...@yahoo.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:07:47 AM Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Nothing wrong with posting a opinion. Do you want this group to be a bunch of YES MEN praising everything or do you want this group to be both critical and appreciative of our boss's output? Jahanzeb was not very harsh in his tone. He said good things about the concert too. Try to be objective and see if there is any validity in this argument. Check out the songs again and if you still things ALL songs had top notch singing then we have a issue.:-) I do realize live singing is extremely difficult and challenging but AR now has a reputation of a World Class performer and he needs to maintain the high standards he set for himself all the time. Price of success and acclaim if you ask me :-) :-) And good things can always come out of criticism. I salute the guys who had the courage to point out the belmishes in Blue. Thanks to them we are now enjoying the cleaner sound in VTV. I am sure AR will always ensure clean and crsip sound in his forthcoming albums. Thanks Jahanzeb for having the courage to stand up and speak out. We need more guys who can voice healthy ctiticism. P.S 1. For all those guys posting irrelavant you tube links trying to prove Aromale was a lift... If Aromale was copied from Pink Floyd/Other 70s Rock artists then all his quawwalis were copied from old hindi quawallis and all his dance numbers are inspired from countless techno songs. Just becoz two songs are in the same genre does not make the copied/inspired --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Vijay vi...@... wrote: Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebti...@... wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder.. Are you searching for a reason, to be kind? b Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: ad...@arrahmanfans.com To Subscribe: arrahmanfans-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To Unsubscribe: arrahmanfans-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links
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Sorry guys.. Many of my friends who watched this concert felt AR was off-key when performing Athiradi and Mustafa. Khwaja was sublime though.. --- On Fri, 1/22/10, $ Pavan Kumar $ pawancum...@yahoo.com wrote: From: $ Pavan Kumar $ pawancum...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 10:02 PM Dude..I got 2 questions for you..if you can answer.. 1. How many Rahman concerts you have attended Live till date? 2. Which was the last Rahman concert you had seen in TV? and please explain in detail when you criticize open in forums like these..what do you mean by Boss was off-tune overall or Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. From: Jahanzeb jahanzebtippu@ yahoo.com To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 7:50:32 PM Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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I simply dont get it. What kind of a perfection do you guys want in a concert? And why do you want it? If you want them to sing live, jump around, walk around, and also be perfect in their singing arent we asking for too much here ? If you want accuracy in their singing, the score , the modulations and variations please sit at home and listen to the recorded tracks ! Problem is what you guys want. Anyone realise how much AR rehearses before concert ? Forget about the hours of rehearsing at his studio, he rehearses the whole fricken night before the concert. about 10 hours. You guys need to also understand how ARs compositions are. They are usually mixed easily at the studio with the singer not having to work too hard, cuz there are multiple recordings that happen. They are very difficult to sing live. Inspite of all of this they do a decent job. And they are improving after every concert. Agreed its good to be honest. But please also see how much hardwork goes into it. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Ramesh R triscod...@yahoo.com wrote: Precisely! Jahanzeb is well within his rights to offer his opinion/criticism. And considering that Vijay is affiliated to KM Musiq (the label?) it's irresponsible of him to respond in that fashion. If you're going to be in the music/PR business then you should learn to take honest criticism in the right spirit. My personal reaction is quite similar to what Jahanzeb stated. I thought Mausam Escape was terrific and perhaps the best part of the concert! I also liked a lot of the stripped-down/simple versions like Udhaya/Tu Hi Re. ARR was good in Khwaja but it looked like he was out of breath in the other songs and I didn't like them as much. I'm not saying they were bad. It's just the nature of a lot of ARR songs being heavily produced with layers and effects that don't translate too well for me in a concert setting (a lot of the unplugged versions are exceptions though). For this same reason I haven't been keen on attending any of his concerts but it's very satisfying to see the production qualities continually improve. The stage, setting and display of artist names for the Sydney concert was very nicely done. Of course, all this is based on seeing the videos on Youtube and I do understand how the real experience is much better (but there's an upper-bound that's apparent too). RR -- *From:* avinaash.kapur avinaash.ka...@yahoo.com *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 11:07:47 AM *Subject:* [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Nothing wrong with posting a opinion. Do you want this group to be a bunch of YES MEN praising everything or do you want this group to be both critical and appreciative of our boss's output? Jahanzeb was not very harsh in his tone. He said good things about the concert too. Try to be objective and see if there is any validity in this argument. Check out the songs again and if you still things ALL songs had top notch singing then we have a issue.:-) I do realize live singing is extremely difficult and challenging but AR now has a reputation of a World Class performer and he needs to maintain the high standards he set for himself all the time. Price of success and acclaim if you ask me :-) :-) And good things can always come out of criticism. I salute the guys who had the courage to point out the belmishes in Blue. Thanks to them we are now enjoying the cleaner sound in VTV. I am sure AR will always ensure clean and crsip sound in his forthcoming albums. Thanks Jahanzeb for having the courage to stand up and speak out. We need more guys who can voice healthy ctiticism. P.S 1. For all those guys posting irrelavant you tube links trying to prove Aromale was a lift... If Aromale was copied from Pink Floyd/Other 70s Rock artists then all his quawwalis were copied from old hindi quawallis and all his dance numbers are inspired from countless techno songs. Just becoz two songs are in the same genre does not make the copied/inspired --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Vijay vi...@... wrote: Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebti...@... wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003
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Km Musiq label has got nothing to do with AR concerts,, and I believe Vijay responded to this mail , out of his love for ARR, and lets not mix things.. Everyone has the freedom to write... Jahanzeb feels that way. The more the concerts one attends, the more one realises and understands the issues behind . Its very easy for someone to comment without knowing the ground reality. Now I realise why Vijay or Gops dont write that many mails in the groups !!! On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Ramesh R triscod...@yahoo.com wrote: Precisely! Jahanzeb is well within his rights to offer his opinion/criticism. And considering that Vijay is affiliated to KM Musiq (the label?) it's irresponsible of him to respond in that fashion. If you're going to be in the music/PR business then you should learn to take honest criticism in the right spirit. My personal reaction is quite similar to what Jahanzeb stated. I thought Mausam Escape was terrific and perhaps the best part of the concert! I also liked a lot of the stripped-down/simple versions like Udhaya/Tu Hi Re. ARR was good in Khwaja but it looked like he was out of breath in the other songs and I didn't like them as much. I'm not saying they were bad. It's just the nature of a lot of ARR songs being heavily produced with layers and effects that don't translate too well for me in a concert setting (a lot of the unplugged versions are exceptions though). For this same reason I haven't been keen on attending any of his concerts but it's very satisfying to see the production qualities continually improve. The stage, setting and display of artist names for the Sydney concert was very nicely done. Of course, all this is based on seeing the videos on Youtube and I do understand how the real experience is much better (but there's an upper-bound that's apparent too). RR -- *From:* avinaash.kapur avinaash.ka...@yahoo.com *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Fri, January 22, 2010 11:07:47 AM *Subject:* [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube Nothing wrong with posting a opinion. Do you want this group to be a bunch of YES MEN praising everything or do you want this group to be both critical and appreciative of our boss's output? Jahanzeb was not very harsh in his tone. He said good things about the concert too. Try to be objective and see if there is any validity in this argument. Check out the songs again and if you still things ALL songs had top notch singing then we have a issue.:-) I do realize live singing is extremely difficult and challenging but AR now has a reputation of a World Class performer and he needs to maintain the high standards he set for himself all the time. Price of success and acclaim if you ask me :-) :-) And good things can always come out of criticism. I salute the guys who had the courage to point out the belmishes in Blue. Thanks to them we are now enjoying the cleaner sound in VTV. I am sure AR will always ensure clean and crsip sound in his forthcoming albums. Thanks Jahanzeb for having the courage to stand up and speak out. We need more guys who can voice healthy ctiticism. P.S 1. For all those guys posting irrelavant you tube links trying to prove Aromale was a lift... If Aromale was copied from Pink Floyd/Other 70s Rock artists then all his quawwalis were copied from old hindi quawallis and all his dance numbers are inspired from countless techno songs. Just becoz two songs are in the same genre does not make the copied/inspired --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Vijay vi...@... wrote: Did somebody ask you for your expert opinion Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2010, at 19:50, Jahanzeb jahanzebti...@... wrote: thanks for sharing these wonderful videos. The best performance was Mausam Escape hands down. Next come Jai Ho and Chandralikha. and oddly enough I liked Ringa Ringa too. Didn't like how they performed some songs without any lead singers, like Chaiya Chaiya, Barso Re etc. Boss was off-tune overall. Rashid Ali killed pronunciations and ate words out as always. Really like the idea of displaying artists' name on grand screen. Chandralikha performance was wonderful and appreciated the MJ part of it. Can only hope sometime they perform Jai Ho in its full glory i.e., with Sukhwinder. /Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder.. Are you searching for a reason, to be kind? b Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: ad...@arrahmanfans.com To Subscribe
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thank you for posting this video..we absolutely loved it...acoustics and arrangements were awesome!! For Pop, to rock, to jazz, to folk and qwwalli...arr sir has covered it all...amazing! will love to buy the dvd version if available for sale!! I would like to know the name of the person who sang chandralekha song Thanks, On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:21 PM, manisha madhavan manisha_madha...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been watching the all the concert clips over and over for the past 3 days!!...the ENERGY is just unbelievable! -- *From:* ichord purev...@yahoo.com *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tue, January 19, 2010 9:27:28 PM *Subject:* [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube After seeing these videos and the whole concert itself, how can anyone NOT think that AR is THE greatest musician/composer who ever lived? My God, what a mindblowing concert --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BMhttp://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder.. -- The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! *Get it Now for Free!* http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
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After seeing these videos and the whole concert itself, how can anyone NOT think that AR is THE greatest musician/composer who ever lived? My God, what a mindblowing concert --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2...@... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Awesome! --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2...@... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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Thanks a lot for the links --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_girish2003 s_girish2...@... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube.com/user/4topcats#p/u/21/HoFokPHlGBM Thanks to the original uplaoder..
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I have been watching the all the concert clips over and over for the past 3 days!!...the ENERGY is just unbelievable! From: ichord purev...@yahoo.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 9:27:28 PM Subject: [arr] Re: Sydney Concert Full videos on Youtube After seeing these videos and the whole concert itself, how can anyone NOT think that AR is THE greatest musician/composer who ever lived? My God, what a mindblowing concert --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, s_girish2003 s_girish2003@ ... wrote: Found this link in youtubeAll parts of Sydney Concert http://www.youtube. com/user/ 4topcats# p/u/21/HoFokPHlG BM Thanks to the original uplaoder.. __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
