Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-09 Thread TreeWalk
 You know, I own a copy of UltraEdit32 - and it hadn't occurred to 
 me that I might be able to use it for this.  Although, I would prefer to
 make it a scripted process.

ok.. send me a snippet of your file (or even the whole blob if you
want) and explain me what you want to remove and I may try to
workout a viable solution



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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Fritz Borgstedt

Including example  starter files will also greatly expand the
audience
for this important product.  Anything to make it easier for someone to
get it and go is always a good thing.  Here Here!


I know. And it is always good, to have others working.

fritz


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread TreeWalk

 -  I think we should call the upcoming version 1.3.0
 - 2.0 should be reserved for Przemek 
 - we need lists for the configuration
 - accept all mail
 -bomb regex

I've some files I collected and edited/modified
most of them originated on the ASSP forums; if
you need them just holler and I'll send them your
way w/o problems

what else.. uh, yes; since we're talking about
ASSP newbies; it may be a good idea setting
up a small (console-mode) perl-script which could
do the following:

* check the OS on which it's running on
* download/install all the needed Perl modules
* fire up ASSP from cmdline for initial config
* wait for ASSP to be closed
* check configuration correctness
* complete install (e.g. on win32 setup the service..)
* run a one shot rebuildspamdb

the above may ease the first time setup since all
one would need will be installing Perl and ClamAV
and then running the above script; again, I'm *not*
meaning anything fancy; a plain vanilla console
mode text-only script will be perfect for such a task
and being in Perl will be able to run on any platform
on which ASSP can run



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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Marrco

 - Original Message - 
 From: Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I believe I emailed the list recently the contents of my accept all,

 list as the basis of an upcoming wiki article. I would love to see what
 other people are doing with their lists, but I haven't seen any examples.

just sent italy-white to fritz.

i'm using this format :

#
# IT - white list
12.34.56# IT - provider name
2.34.56.78  # IT - provider name
.. 

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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Fritz Borgstedt

just sent italy-white to fritz.

ASSP has already ways to let IPs pass: 

Nonprocessing-Re - does not add to whitelist and to notspam
Accept all mail - allows relaying and stores in notspam, adds to
whitelist

in some checks there are IP-exclusion lists:

Nodelay

Nopenalty

And  ISPIP skips all checks besides Bayesian

Nevertheless people are asking again and again for an IP-whitelist.

I tend to introduce an explizit IP-whitelist
it would be a nonprocessing list


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Matti Haack
If anybody needs a whitelist,

 I tend to introduce an explizit IP-whitelist
 it would be a nonprocessing list

Yes. No Processing IP Whitelist

And handle it for viruschecking etc. like the NP-RE list. So that
if  you  check  eg. Scan No Processing Senders in Virus section, the
whitelist will also be checked

Matti



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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Fritz Borgstedt
Matti Haack [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreibt:
Yes. No Processing IP Whitelist

And handle it for viruschecking etc. like the NP-RE list. So that
if  you  check  eg. Scan No Processing Senders in Virus section, the
whitelist will also be checked


On the other hand, the NP-RE does exactly that.
Alternativ:
whiteips which does not relay but is like whitedomains?


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Marrco
just sent italy-white to fritz.

 ASSP has already ways to let IPs pass:

 Nonprocessing-Re - does not add to whitelist and to notspam
 Accept all mail - allows relaying and stores in notspam, adds to
 whitelist

 in some checks there are IP-exclusion lists:

 Nodelay

 Nopenalty

 And  ISPIP skips all checks besides Bayesian

 Nevertheless people are asking again and again for an IP-whitelist.

 I tend to introduce an explizit IP-whitelist
 it would be a nonprocessing list


 ???

my strategy for assp is about detecting offending hosts (IPs), not blocking 
single emails. So i use whitelists mostly to speed up processing. My single 
white is used for :
Don't do Black Box for these IPs*
Don't Delay these IPs*
ISP/Secondary MX Servers*   [i don't do bayesian filtering, so this is 
enough for me]

so my suggestion is to start easy and default assp to use a single list (of 
known good hosts) for all 'ip pass' strategies.

of course i check single messages against : bombh regex, blacklisted 
domains, surbl, attachment and virus.

ymmv 

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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Fritz Borgstedt
Matti Haack [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreibt:
Yes. No Processing IP Whitelist

And handle it for viruschecking etc. like the NP-RE list. So that
if  you  check  eg. Scan No Processing Senders in Virus section, the
whitelist will also be checked

May be the best would be to have both:

whitelisted-ips and nonprocessing-ips

?


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Matti Haack

 On the other hand, the NP-RE does exactly that.
 Alternativ:
 whiteips which does not relay but is like whitedomains?
Does the np-re also exclude from Delaying?

Matti

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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Fritz Borgstedt


so my suggestion is to start easy and default assp to use a single
list (of 
known good hosts) for all 'ip pass' strategies.

I have too see besides your view what the bayesian filter needs. And
so there is a fundamental difference between a nonprocessing and
whitelisted list.


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Matti Haack

 ISP/Secondary MX Servers*   [i don't do bayesian filtering, so this is
 enough for me]
You  should give the baysian check (in Tesmode) a try. Works great for
me!

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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Marrco
so my suggestion is to start easy and default assp to use a single
list (of
known good hosts) for all 'ip pass' strategies.

 I have too see besides your view what the bayesian filter needs. And
 so there is a fundamental difference between a nonprocessing and
 whitelisted list.

of course you do. Your server, your rules. Different strategies, same goal. 
Assp is great also because it suits everyone needs, not only mine.

anyway, imho we have 3 different whitelist categories :

-) huge world wide mailhubs (gmail, hotmail, etc) - IPs are 100% good, never 
block them. Many are already listed in nodelay.txt
-) my ( i'm italian) very important italian mail providers - IPs are 100% 
good, never block them, and never refuse any mail but viruses and a few 
exceptions
-) your well know german (dutch, chinese, australian etc) local providers. 
Ok, i trust you they are not trojaned computers, so maybe i wont use 
delaying but no other favours on my servers.

so i think all we need is an expanded nodelay.txt that includes a few more 
large mailhubs. And use that also to bypass ip filtering (rbl, validate 
sender, PB, griplist etc)

plus any postmaster should whitelist his own 'special' local mail hubs. 
That's easy. A small script to extract the top connectiong hosts to your 
mta, sort them, have a reverse lookup and then you easily decide what ips 
you have to whitelist. 

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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Fritz Borgstedt
Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
so i think all we need is an expanded nodelay.txt that includes a few
more 
large mailhubs. And use that also to bypass ip filtering (rbl,
validate 
sender, PB, griplist etc)


I put in now two lists:

noprocessingIPs:
mail from any of these IPs are ignored by ASSP
ebay, etc


whitelistedIPs:
They  contribute to the whitelist and to notspam.
local telekoms, etc


np and wl options are honored.


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Charles Marcus
 I believe he means that Przemek is still working on ASSP too and will 
 potentially release a new version in the forseeable future that will start 
 as version 2.0
 
 Is that what you meant Fritz?

 yep, and his code is far more advanced than mine.

Hmmm... it would be a good thing to know how different his version is, 
functionality wise. Has he been implementing the same things on an 
ongoing basis?

Or will ASSP end up being split into two distinct versions?

-- 

Best regards,

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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Fritz Borgstedt

 different his version is, 
functionality wise

The versions are close ( 80/90 %) in functionality.


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread TreeWalk
 I am looking at tools to do this on Win32
 currently, as well as deleting duplicates.

Uhm why don't you use these tools

http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/

the setup means extracting the files
to whatever folder, adding the update
package and changing the PATH to
point to the bin and /usr/local/wbin :)



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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
TreeWalk wrote:
 Uhm why don't you use these tools http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/

I already have it.  Which tool would do a search and replace?  I have a
GUI tool to do a text search/replace, but I would much rather use a
command-line alternative.

Thanks,


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Dickson, Paul
Grep, awk, sed.

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Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release  Starter Configuration

TreeWalk wrote:
 Uhm why don't you use these tools http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/

I already have it.  Which tool would do a search and replace?  I have a
GUI tool to do a text search/replace, but I would much rather use a
command-line alternative.

Thanks,



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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Pascal Dreissen
Why not install Vim for Windows.

http://www.vim.org/download.php
 TreeWalk wrote:
   
 Uhm why don't you use these tools http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/
 

 I already have it.  Which tool would do a search and replace?  I have a
 GUI tool to do a text search/replace, but I would much rather use a
 command-line alternative.

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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Marrco

 Pascal Dreissen wrote:
 Why not install Vim for Windows.

 I'm looking to search/replace text in thousands of saved email messages
 in an attempt to cleanse them of anything that would identify my spam
 traps.  I wish to do this in an automated/scripted fashion in Win32.

ultraedit-32 has what you need. search and replace in files. (it supports 
regex  and many other features) imho the best, most advanced, text editor 
under windows32. And it has a 30days free trial period. 

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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-08 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Marrco wrote:
 ultraedit-32 has what you need. search and replace in files. (it supports 
 regex  and many other features) imho the best, most advanced, text editor 
 under windows32. And it has a 30days free trial period. 

You know, I own a copy of UltraEdit32 - and it hadn't occurred to me
that I might be able to use it for this.  Although, I would prefer to
make it a scripted process.

Thanks!


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Traylor
 - 2.0 should be reserved for Przemek


 I'm not sure what you mean by that,

I believe he means that Przemek is still working on ASSP too and will 
potentially release a new version in the forseeable future that will start 
as version 2.0

Is that what you meant Fritz?

Thanks,

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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-07 Thread Fritz Borgstedt
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Is that what you meant Fritz?

yep, and his code is far more advanced than mine.

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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-07 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr (mobile)
I guess that makes sence.  I had thought he had stopped developing his version. 
I'm glad to hear that may not be the case.

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From: Doug Traylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, Feb 7, 2007 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release  Starter Configuration

 - 2.0 should be reserved for Przemek


 I'm not sure what you mean by that,

I believe he means that Przemek is still working on ASSP too and will 
potentially release a new version in the forseeable future that will start 
as version 2.0

Is that what you meant Fritz?

Thanks,

Doug Traylor 


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-07 Thread Fritz Borgstedt
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RegEx lists for files?

yep, example/starter files! especially bomb regex and accept all
I think a very expanded accept all list would ease a lot for
starters.
We are talking about that one year, I have delivered 7 releases, we
have not delivered one set of example (starter) files.


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-07 Thread Micheal Espinola Jr
Fritz Borgstedt wrote:
 yep, example/starter files! especially bomb regex and accept all
 I think a very expanded accept all list would ease a lot for
 starters.
 We are talking about that one year, I have delivered 7 releases, we
 have not delivered one set of example (starter) files.

I will gladly donate any/all of my files (except for any
company-specific lines of info of course).  Just tell me how your would
like them.

I believe I emailed the list recently the contents of my accept all,
which for me consists of all the wireless email providers that my users
use (mostly covering Blackberry and Verizon).  I am hoping to use my
list as the basis of an upcoming wiki article. I would love to see what
other people are doing with their lists, but I haven't seen any examples. 

The majority of my bombRe is what is listed in the corresponding wiki
article.  Those examples are what i use live.  However, I do have to
update it with changes I have made in the past few months.


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Re: [Assp-user] Upcoming Release Starter Configuration

2007-02-07 Thread Babul A. Mukherjee

Including example  starter files will also greatly expand the audience
for this important product.  Anything to make it easier for someone to
get it and go is always a good thing.  Here Here!

Maintain,
Babul

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Questions and Answers for users of ASSP Anti-Spam SMTP Proxy
assp-user@lists.sourceforge.net schreibt:
RegEx lists for files?

yep, example/starter files! especially bomb regex and accept all
I think a very expanded accept all list would ease a lot for
starters.
We are talking about that one year, I have delivered 7 releases, we
have not delivered one set of example (starter) files.



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