[on-asterisk] Suck it up - No Caller ID - comments?

2007-12-30 Thread Syd Carter
Hey all. 

My caller id _name_ info is not coming across.  According to my 
provider, we send callerID correctly however the ISP's have old 
equipment that don't understand the new digital signal therefore they 
can't understand the call display. 

I've check my sip dialog and know that I'm sending name and number.  I 
never had this problem with my previous voip service provider. 

Can anyone provide me with additional insight into the new digital 
signal versus the old one?


Thanks.. Syd


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Re: [on-asterisk] Suck it up - No Caller ID - comments?

2007-12-30 Thread Bill Sandiford

Syd:

CallerID Name is a funny animal.

I'm not 100% sure that your provider's explanation makes a lot of sense to 
me because most of the signals sent are digital but allow me to give this 
little backgrounder on CallerID Name


First of all it is important to note that we are very lucky in Canada.  The 
way the CallerID name system works here is much different than it is in the 
US.  In Canada CallerID Name information is set with every call.  In the US 
it is stored in central databases.  Unless you have access to those 
databases (or your provider will update it for you) you are out of luck when 
it comes to changing the CallerID Name.


Ok, back to Canada.  Chances are that your provider is using ISDN-PRI trunks 
to their provider.  There are 2 ways that CallerID Name can be passed with 
ISDN-PRI.  The first method, commonly used by Nortel DMS switches (think 
Bell, Allstream), is by passing the name as a parameter in the call-setup 
message.  The other way, commonly used by Lucent 5ESS switches (think 
Telus), is by passing the name as a Facility IE usually in the progress 
message.


So the problem is *likely* that your provider's equipment is either 
configured for the wrong switchtype, doesn't have the CallerID name 
configured correctly, and/or doesn't support sending CallerID name in the 
same fashion as their provider.


Asterisk supports sending CallerID Name using both methods.  The method can 
be set via the facilityenable parameter in zapata.conf.  But this is only if 
your connections to your provider are PRI.


So the reality is that there is nothing that you are doing wrong with your 
CallerID Name via SIP.  The problem is just that your provider and their 
provider are likely either configured wrong or incompatible with each other 
when it comes to CallerID Name


Regards,
Bill

PS - HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL !!!

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Hey all.
My caller id _name_ info is not coming across.  According to my provider, 
we send callerID correctly however the ISP's have old equipment that 
don't understand the new digital signal therefore they can't understand 
the call display.
I've check my sip dialog and know that I'm sending name and number.  I 
never had this problem with my previous voip service provider.
Can anyone provide me with additional insight into the new digital 
signal versus the old one?


Thanks.. Syd


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Re: [on-asterisk] Suck it up - No Caller ID - comments?

2007-12-30 Thread Syd Carter
Thanks for the detailed explanation Bill.  I've passed this along to the 
provider.  Unfortunately I'm unclear whether they are interested or will 
find it useful.  If nothing else it is comforting to me.  Happy New Year 
to you too!


Syd

Bill Sandford wrote:

Syd:

CallerID Name is a funny animal.

I'm not 100% sure that your provider's explanation makes a lot of sense 
to me because most of the signals sent are digital but allow me to give 
this little backgrounder on CallerID Name


First of all it is important to note that we are very lucky in Canada.  
The way the CallerID name system works here is much different than it is 
in the US.  In Canada CallerID Name information is set with every call.  
In the US it is stored in central databases.  Unless you have access to 
those databases (or your provider will update it for you) you are out of 
luck when it comes to changing the CallerID Name.


Ok, back to Canada.  Chances are that your provider is using ISDN-PRI 
trunks to their provider.  There are 2 ways that CallerID Name can be 
passed with ISDN-PRI.  The first method, commonly used by Nortel DMS 
switches (think Bell, Allstream), is by passing the name as a parameter 
in the call-setup message.  The other way, commonly used by Lucent 5ESS 
switches (think Telus), is by passing the name as a Facility IE usually 
in the progress message.


So the problem is *likely* that your provider's equipment is either 
configured for the wrong switchtype, doesn't have the CallerID name 
configured correctly, and/or doesn't support sending CallerID name in 
the same fashion as their provider.


Asterisk supports sending CallerID Name using both methods.  The method 
can be set via the facilityenable parameter in zapata.conf.  But this is 
only if your connections to your provider are PRI.


So the reality is that there is nothing that you are doing wrong with 
your CallerID Name via SIP.  The problem is just that your provider and 
their provider are likely either configured wrong or incompatible with 
each other when it comes to CallerID Name


Regards,
Bill

PS - HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL !!!
Syd Carter wrote:

Hey all.
My caller id _name_ info is not coming across.  According to my 
provider, we send callerID correctly however the ISP's have old 
equipment that don't understand the new digital signal therefore they 
can't understand the call display.
I've check my sip dialog and know that I'm sending name and number.  I 
never had this problem with my previous voip service provider.
Can anyone provide me with additional insight into the new digital 
signal versus the old one?


Thanks.. Syd


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