Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for violating the National Do Not Call List Rules

2010-12-22 Thread Henry Coleman
I think this is just a case of farming out this part of their business to
third party partners. If you don't control these companies
they can cut corners (in order to save costs). I hope that Bell have
cancelled this third parties contract.

Henry

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Simon P. Ditner si...@uc.org wrote:

 I wonder if they used the opt-out list as their dialing list -- since
 no one else should be calling them, they'd have the upper hand ;-)

 On 21 December 2010 11:41, Peter MacFarlane pmac...@eastlink.ca wrote:
  Well, it made the national CBC news this AM.  Now people are calling for
  something better than the NDNCL, since it obviously isn't working.
 
  Peter MacFarlane
 
  On 10-12-20 09:55 PM, Ivan Kovacevic wrote:
 
  The ultimate irony is that Bell is the operator of the Canadian NDNCL.
 
  http://www.bell.ca/enterprise/EntNews_Press_200802.page
 
  as per the press release:
 
  Bell will design, develop, implement and operate the National DNCL to:
 
  * Accept consumer registrations of telephone numbers on the DNCL
  * Make the DNCL available to telemarketers and collect related fees,
  and
  * Register consumer complaints about telemarketing
 
 
  Best Regards,
 
  Ivan Kovacevic
 
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  T: +14164790325 x205 | C: +14168350532 | F: +14166195403
 
 
 
 
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 for
  violating the National Do Not Call List Rules
 
  On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 04:32:09PM -0600, John Lange wrote:
 
  I guess this isn't really on topic but still; Wow.
 
  http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2010/r101220.htm
 
  Sounds like small change for them. We got a bunch of calls claiming to
 be
  from Bell advertising services, but we just hung up on
  them.
  Glad the CRTC has made them hang up this practice, for now at least.
 
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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for violating the National Do Not Call List Rules

2010-12-21 Thread Peter MacFarlane
Well, it made the national CBC news this AM.  Now people are calling for 
something better than the NDNCL, since it obviously isn't working.


Peter MacFarlane

On 10-12-20 09:55 PM, Ivan Kovacevic wrote:

The ultimate irony is that Bell is the operator of the Canadian NDNCL.

http://www.bell.ca/enterprise/EntNews_Press_200802.page

as per the press release:

Bell will design, develop, implement and operate the National DNCL to:

 * Accept consumer registrations of telephone numbers on the DNCL
 * Make the DNCL available to telemarketers and collect related fees, and
 * Register consumer complaints about telemarketing


Best Regards,

Ivan Kovacevic

Star Telecom | www.startelecom.ca | i...@startelecom.ca
T: +14164790325 x205 | C: +14168350532 | F: +14166195403




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From: Ian Darwin [mailto:i...@darwinsys.com]
Sent: December-20-10 8:50 PM
To: John Lange
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Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for 
violating the National Do Not Call List Rules

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 04:32:09PM -0600, John Lange wrote:

I guess this isn't really on topic but still; Wow.

http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2010/r101220.htm

Sounds like small change for them. We got a bunch of calls claiming to be from 
Bell advertising services, but we just hung up on
them.
Glad the CRTC has made them hang up this practice, for now at least.

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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for violating the National Do Not Call List Rules

2010-12-21 Thread Simon P. Ditner
I wonder if they used the opt-out list as their dialing list -- since
no one else should be calling them, they'd have the upper hand ;-)

On 21 December 2010 11:41, Peter MacFarlane pmac...@eastlink.ca wrote:
 Well, it made the national CBC news this AM.  Now people are calling for
 something better than the NDNCL, since it obviously isn't working.

 Peter MacFarlane

 On 10-12-20 09:55 PM, Ivan Kovacevic wrote:

 The ultimate irony is that Bell is the operator of the Canadian NDNCL.

 http://www.bell.ca/enterprise/EntNews_Press_200802.page

 as per the press release:

 Bell will design, develop, implement and operate the National DNCL to:

     * Accept consumer registrations of telephone numbers on the DNCL
     * Make the DNCL available to telemarketers and collect related fees,
 and
     * Register consumer complaints about telemarketing


 Best Regards,

 Ivan Kovacevic

 Star Telecom | www.startelecom.ca | i...@startelecom.ca
 T: +14164790325 x205 | C: +14168350532 | F: +14166195403




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 From: Ian Darwin [mailto:i...@darwinsys.com]
 Sent: December-20-10 8:50 PM
 To: John Lange
 Cc: asterisk Mailing
 Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for
 violating the National Do Not Call List Rules

 On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 04:32:09PM -0600, John Lange wrote:

 I guess this isn't really on topic but still; Wow.

 http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2010/r101220.htm

 Sounds like small change for them. We got a bunch of calls claiming to be
 from Bell advertising services, but we just hung up on
 them.
 Glad the CRTC has made them hang up this practice, for now at least.

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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for violating the National Do Not Call List Rules

2010-12-20 Thread Ian Darwin
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 04:32:09PM -0600, John Lange wrote:
 I guess this isn't really on topic but still; Wow.
 
 http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2010/r101220.htm

Sounds like small change for them. We got a bunch of calls claiming
to be from Bell advertising services, but we just hung up on them.
Glad the CRTC has made them hang up this practice, for now at least.

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RE: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for violating the National Do Not Call List Rules

2010-12-20 Thread Bill Sandiford
Yes, we got this from our legal counsel too.

The reality is that $1.3 million may be a drop in the bucket compared to the 
revenue that they brought in from the activities for which they have been fined.

Hard to say.

Bill

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 Subject: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for
 violating the National Do Not Call List Rules
 
 I guess this isn't really on topic but still; Wow.
 
 http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2010/r101220.htm
 
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RE: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for violating the National Do Not Call List Rules

2010-12-20 Thread Ivan Kovacevic
The ultimate irony is that Bell is the operator of the Canadian NDNCL. 

http://www.bell.ca/enterprise/EntNews_Press_200802.page

as per the press release:

Bell will design, develop, implement and operate the National DNCL to:

* Accept consumer registrations of telephone numbers on the DNCL
* Make the DNCL available to telemarketers and collect related fees, and
* Register consumer complaints about telemarketing


Best Regards,

Ivan Kovacevic

Star Telecom | www.startelecom.ca | i...@startelecom.ca
T: +14164790325 x205 | C: +14168350532 | F: +14166195403




-Original Message-
From: Ian Darwin [mailto:i...@darwinsys.com] 
Sent: December-20-10 8:50 PM
To: John Lange
Cc: asterisk Mailing
Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Canada has paid a $1.3 million penalty for 
violating the National Do Not Call List Rules

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 04:32:09PM -0600, John Lange wrote:
 I guess this isn't really on topic but still; Wow.
 
 http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2010/r101220.htm

Sounds like small change for them. We got a bunch of calls claiming to be from 
Bell advertising services, but we just hung up on
them.
Glad the CRTC has made them hang up this practice, for now at least.

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