Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Reza - Voipernetics
Henry, I have this at my clients.   I don't understand why they claim it 
to be Bell Fiber.The modem they use for this service is actually a 
DSL modem. The white brick type modem they supply has a led marked 
DSL,and all the other leds that are similar to a standard dsl modem 
etc.And yes, upload speed is close to the advertised speed and 
download close to their advertised speed.


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Henry Coleman wrote the following on 4/14/2011 11:31 PM:

Any one have any experience of Bell Fibre Internet. Their  F25 product
claims to be 7Mbs Upload 25Mbs Download at about $85 per month.



RE: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Ken Brown
It's Fibre to the Cabinet, so the DSL is only running a short distance down the 
street to one of those large brown cabinets.

Ken

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From: Reza - Voipernetics [mailto:r...@voipernetics.com] 
Sent: April 15, 2011 9:33 AM
To: Henry Coleman
Cc: TAUG Technical
Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

Henry, I have this at my clients.   I don't understand why they claim it 
to be Bell Fiber.The modem they use for this service is actually a 
DSL modem. The white brick type modem they supply has a led marked 
DSL,and all the other leds that are similar to a standard dsl modem 
etc.And yes, upload speed is close to the advertised speed and 
download close to their advertised speed.

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Henry Coleman wrote the following on 4/14/2011 11:31 PM:
 Any one have any experience of Bell Fibre Internet. Their  F25 product
 claims to be 7Mbs Upload 25Mbs Download at about $85 per month.


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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Stephan Monette
Bell runs fibre connections from the local C.O. to multiple locations in your 
neighbourhood. Then they install an ADSL2+ DSLAM shelf to connect the fibre 
from the C.O. and ADSL2+ to your home. This is why it's a very short copper 
loop.

This is called Fibre to the curb. And your copper loop is usually less than 1.2 
or 1.5 KM from the fibre connection.

Stephan Monette
Unlimitel Inc.

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Fax: (613) 482-1077





On 2011-04-15, at 9:51 AM, Ken Brown wrote:

 It's Fibre to the Cabinet, so the DSL is only running a short distance down 
 the street to one of those large brown cabinets.
 
 Ken
 
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 From: Reza - Voipernetics [mailto:r...@voipernetics.com] 
 Sent: April 15, 2011 9:33 AM
 To: Henry Coleman
 Cc: TAUG Technical
 Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?
 
 Henry, I have this at my clients.   I don't understand why they claim it 
 to be Bell Fiber.The modem they use for this service is actually a 
 DSL modem. The white brick type modem they supply has a led marked 
 DSL,and all the other leds that are similar to a standard dsl modem 
 etc.And yes, upload speed is close to the advertised speed and 
 download close to their advertised speed.
 
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 Any one have any experience of Bell Fibre Internet. Their  F25 product
 claims to be 7Mbs Upload 25Mbs Download at about $85 per month.
 
 
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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Patrick Song
it is a marketing term.

it is based on VDSL technology facing to customers but Ethernet Fiber
backhual to the network on DSLAM.



On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Reza - Voipernetics
r...@voipernetics.comwrote:

 Henry, I have this at my clients.   I don't understand why they claim it to
 be Bell Fiber.The modem they use for this service is actually a DSL
 modem. The white brick type modem they supply has a led marked DSL,and all
 the other leds that are similar to a standard dsl modem etc.And yes,
 upload speed is close to the advertised speed and download close to their
 advertised speed.

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 Henry Coleman wrote the following on 4/14/2011 11:31 PM:

  Any one have any experience of Bell Fibre Internet. Their  F25 product
 claims to be 7Mbs Upload 25Mbs Download at about $85 per month.




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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Douglas Pickett
I think we should all notice too that Bell calls it Fibe - a made up 
word that makes us think of fibre, but isn't.


Kind of like when Stephen Colbert commented on DiGiorno Wyngz, and their 
somewhat dubious relationship to chicken wings.


Now there's a tag line - Bell Fibe, the Wyngz of fibre to the premises.

Regards,
Doug.

Vogg Technology Ltd.
416-479-0879

On 15/04/2011 9:57 AM, Stephan Monette wrote:

Bell runs fibre connections from the local C.O. to multiple locations in your 
neighbourhood. Then they install an ADSL2+ DSLAM shelf to connect the fibre 
from the C.O. and ADSL2+ to your home. This is why it's a very short copper 
loop.

This is called Fibre to the curb. And your copper loop is usually less than 1.2 
or 1.5 KM from the fibre connection.

Stephan Monette
Unlimitel Inc.

Tel.: 1-877-464-6638
Fax: (613) 482-1077





On 2011-04-15, at 9:51 AM, Ken Brown wrote:


It's Fibre to the Cabinet, so the DSL is only running a short distance down the 
street to one of those large brown cabinets.

Ken

-Original Message-
From: Reza - Voipernetics [mailto:r...@voipernetics.com]
Sent: April 15, 2011 9:33 AM
To: Henry Coleman
Cc: TAUG Technical
Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

Henry, I have this at my clients.   I don't understand why they claim it
to be Bell Fiber.The modem they use for this service is actually a
DSL modem. The white brick type modem they supply has a led marked
DSL,and all the other leds that are similar to a standard dsl modem
etc.And yes, upload speed is close to the advertised speed and
download close to their advertised speed.

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Henry Coleman wrote the following on 4/14/2011 11:31 PM:

Any one have any experience of Bell Fibre Internet. Their  F25 product
claims to be 7Mbs Upload 25Mbs Download at about $85 per month.



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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Reza - Voipernetics
I appreciate all the feedback and corrections folks have provided 
here... However I still don't understand why they tagged it as fiber 
(unless infact this is a marketing term), because I have **personally** 
verified and looked on site at the distribution box and have been 
confirmed by a bell technician on duty at the site, that in the 
distribution box which is only couple of hundred yards from my client 
that **indeed** there is no fiber underground (connected to the 
distribution box).  It is all copper.   The neighbourhood is also about 
20+ years old.   I thought, and I am still under the impression that its 
merely an upgrade of their DSLAM, that allows a higher thorough put of 
data to make 25 down and 7 up possible.


Cheers!


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Patrick Song wrote the following on 4/15/2011 10:00 AM:

it is a marketing term.

it is based on VDSL technology facing to customers but Ethernet Fiber 
backhual to the network on DSLAM.




On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Reza - Voipernetics 
r...@voipernetics.com mailto:r...@voipernetics.com wrote:


Henry, I have this at my clients.   I don't understand why they
claim it to be Bell Fiber.The modem they use for this service
is actually a DSL modem. The white brick type modem they supply
has a led marked DSL,and all the other leds that are similar to
a standard dsl modem etc.And yes, upload speed is close to the
advertised speed and download close to their advertised speed.

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Henry Coleman wrote the following on 4/14/2011 11:31 PM:

Any one have any experience of Bell Fibre Internet. Their  F25
product
claims to be 7Mbs Upload 25Mbs Download at about $85 per month.




--
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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Stephan Monette
It is fibre from the CO to the DSLAM.

Stephan Monette
Unlimitel Inc.

Tel.: 1-877-464-6638
Fax: (613) 482-1077





On 2011-04-15, at 10:49 AM, Reza - Voipernetics wrote:

 VERY INTERESTING observation indeed Doug!  Just checked this out again on 
 Bell's site.  It is marketed as Fibe without the r.   You have a very 
 good eye for details! Incredible!
 
 Which perhaps confers with my doubts.What I also noticed in the learn 
 more section of their product description page is it says  New, next 
 generation fibre optic network .   Based on what I have seen and what I have 
 learned, I have no doubt that their  New, next generation fibre optic 
 network is at their central offices...  but not necessarily from their CO to 
 the DSLAM equipment on site.
 
 Once again, if perhaps we have a Bell Engineer in here, perhaps they could 
 shed some first hand light on this. Thanks Doug!
 
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 Douglas Pickett wrote the following on 4/15/2011 10:13 AM:
 I think we should all notice too that Bell calls it Fibe - a made up word 
 that makes us think of fibre, but isn't.
 
 Kind of like when Stephen Colbert commented on DiGiorno Wyngz, and their 
 somewhat dubious relationship to chicken wings.
 
 Now there's a tag line - Bell Fibe, the Wyngz of fibre to the premises.
 
 Regards,
 Doug.
 
 Vogg Technology Ltd.
 416-479-0879


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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Douglas Pickett
I'm only speculating here, but I suspect that Fibe IS a DSLAM in the 
roadside brown boxes as has been mentioned in this discussion, but the 
high speed backhaul to the CO may or may not be an actual fibre-optic 
cable.


For all practical purposes, does it matter if the backhaul is over 
fibre, or over copper, as long as Bell offers equivalent performance?


I suspect that new installs are probably fibre to the roadside, whereas 
in older areas such as Reza describes the existing copper facilities 
will be used.


Regards,
Doug.



On 15/04/2011 10:40 AM, Reza - Voipernetics wrote:

I appreciate all the feedback and corrections folks have provided
here... However I still don't understand why they tagged it as fiber
(unless infact this is a marketing term), because I have **personally**
verified and looked on site at the distribution box and have been
confirmed by a bell technician on duty at the site, that in the
distribution box which is only couple of hundred yards from my client
that **indeed** there is no fiber underground (connected to the
distribution box). It is all copper. The neighbourhood is also about 20+
years old. I thought, and I am still under the impression that its
merely an upgrade of their DSLAM, that allows a higher thorough put of
data to make 25 down and 7 up possible.

Cheers!


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Patrick Song wrote the following on 4/15/2011 10:00 AM:

it is a marketing term.

it is based on VDSL technology facing to customers but Ethernet Fiber
backhual to the network on DSLAM.



On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Reza - Voipernetics
r...@voipernetics.com mailto:r...@voipernetics.com wrote:

Henry, I have this at my clients. I don't understand why they
claim it to be Bell Fiber. The modem they use for this service
is actually a DSL modem. The white brick type modem they supply
has a led marked DSL,and all the other leds that are similar to
a standard dsl modem etc. And yes, upload speed is close to the
advertised speed and download close to their advertised speed.

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Henry Coleman wrote the following on 4/14/2011 11:31 PM:

Any one have any experience of Bell Fibre Internet. Their F25
product
claims to be 7Mbs Upload 25Mbs Download at about $85 per month.




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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread James Knott

Reza - Voipernetics wrote:
Which perhaps confers with my doubts.What I also noticed in the 
learn more section of their product description page is it says  
New, next generation fibre optic network .   Based on what I have 
seen and what I have learned, I have no doubt that their  New, next 
generation fibre optic network is at their central offices...  but 
not necessarily from their CO to the DSLAM equipment on site. 


You can thank some marketing genius for that.  Rogers has similar 
where they use fibre to the neighbourhood and then copper the rest of 
the way.  However, they make no distinction when it comes to delivering 
the service.  You simply get a cable modem and don't care how the signal 
gets to you.  Performance also tends to be better.  For example, I've 
had 10 Mb down and 1 up for years, but up to 50 Mb/s down  2 up is 
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RE: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Chuck Mariotti
It is also important to point out that Fibe internet and Fibe TV are related... 
my understanding having looked into it early on is that the Fibe connection 
is the route for both Internet and Fibe IP TV. You MUST have Fibe Internet to 
be able to purchase Fibe TV (at least on the technology side, maybe different 
if they use Fibe for other marketing). If you are watching Fibe TV, your 
internet speed drops (I was told ~7Mbit)... If you watch TV on another TV, it's 
an additional drop in speed, etc... Whole home PVR is an option, of course, 
recording TV is the same thing as watching it... there is a speed drop.  At 
first I thought it was a hosted by Bell PVR (which would be interesting!), but 
at least back then, it was a box in your house... I would bet that there is QOS 
on the TV packets... so maybe an issue with SIP packets if there are lots of TV 
Packets.

I was also told at the time, that TV Viewing goes against the included 
bandwidth caps. Which blew me away.

I would jump on this in a heartbeat if there was a way to get more IP 
Addresses! (any ideas? Let me know!)  Of course, all the secondary ISPs want 
access to this stuff for the speed and the TV side (Teksavvy has had IPTV on 
their  coming list for over a year). So maybe it's just a matter of time...

Of course, I welcome someone to correct me since when I did look into it, no 
one knew what the hell I was asking or talking about, and I'm pretty sure some 
people were just guessing.

Chuck


-Original Message-
From: Douglas Pickett [mailto:douglas.pick...@rogers.com] 
Sent: April-15-11 11:01 AM
To: asterisk@uc.org
Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

I'm only speculating here, but I suspect that Fibe IS a DSLAM in the roadside 
brown boxes as has been mentioned in this discussion, but the high speed 
backhaul to the CO may or may not be an actual fibre-optic cable.

For all practical purposes, does it matter if the backhaul is over fibre, or 
over copper, as long as Bell offers equivalent performance?

I suspect that new installs are probably fibre to the roadside, whereas in 
older areas such as Reza describes the existing copper facilities will be used.

Regards,
Doug.



On 15/04/2011 10:40 AM, Reza - Voipernetics wrote:
 I appreciate all the feedback and corrections folks have provided 
 here... However I still don't understand why they tagged it as fiber 
 (unless infact this is a marketing term), because I have 
 **personally** verified and looked on site at the distribution box and 
 have been confirmed by a bell technician on duty at the site, that in 
 the distribution box which is only couple of hundred yards from my 
 client that **indeed** there is no fiber underground (connected to the 
 distribution box). It is all copper. The neighbourhood is also about 
 20+ years old. I thought, and I am still under the impression that its 
 merely an upgrade of their DSLAM, that allows a higher thorough put of 
 data to make 25 down and 7 up possible.

 Cheers!


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 Patrick Song wrote the following on 4/15/2011 10:00 AM:
 it is a marketing term.

 it is based on VDSL technology facing to customers but Ethernet Fiber 
 backhual to the network on DSLAM.



 On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Reza - Voipernetics 
 r...@voipernetics.com mailto:r...@voipernetics.com wrote:

 Henry, I have this at my clients. I don't understand why they claim 
 it to be Bell Fiber. The modem they use for this service is actually 
 a DSL modem. The white brick type modem they supply has a led marked 
 DSL,and all the other leds that are similar to a standard dsl modem 
 etc. And yes, upload speed is close to the advertised speed and 
 download close to their advertised speed.

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 Henry Coleman wrote the following on 4/14/2011 11:31 PM:

 Any one have any experience of Bell Fibre Internet. Their F25 product 
 claims to be 7Mbs Upload 25Mbs Download at about $85 per month.




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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Ian Darwin
On 04/15/11 10:49, Reza - Voipernetics wrote:
 VERY INTERESTING observation indeed Doug!  Just checked this out
 again on Bell's site.  It is marketed as Fibe without the r.   You
 have a very good eye for details! Incredible!
 
 Which perhaps confers with my doubts.What I also noticed in the
 learn more section of their product description page is it says  New,
 next generation fibre optic network .   Based on what I have seen and
 what I have learned, I have no doubt that their  New, next generation
 fibre optic network is at their central offices...  but not necessarily
 from their CO to the DSLAM equipment on site.
 
 Once again, if perhaps we have a Bell Engineer in here, perhaps they
 could shed some first hand light on this. Thanks Doug!

If it's true that they're calling it Fibe to avoid false advertising
lawsuits because it isn't fibre to most of the country (as I suspected
months ago when I first saw it), then for a Bell employee to admit that
on a mailing list would likely be what is often called a career ending
move :-(

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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Bill Sandiford
In order to get FibeTV you MUST subscribe to Fibe Internet.  They will not
let you order FibeTV without Fibe Internet.

You can order Fibe internet without FibeTV

FibeTV viewing usage does NOT count against the Fibe Internet cap.

There is a way to get more IP addresses, you could tunnel to a provider
that would give you more and have all of your traffic delivered over the
tunnel




On 11-04-15 11:14 AM, Chuck Mariotti cmario...@xunity.com wrote:

It is also important to point out that Fibe internet and Fibe TV are
related... my understanding having looked into it early on is that the
Fibe connection is the route for both Internet and Fibe IP TV. You MUST
have Fibe Internet to be able to purchase Fibe TV (at least on the
technology side, maybe different if they use Fibe for other marketing).
If you are watching Fibe TV, your internet speed drops (I was told
~7Mbit)... If you watch TV on another TV, it's an additional drop in
speed, etc... Whole home PVR is an option, of course, recording TV is the
same thing as watching it... there is a speed drop.  At first I thought
it was a hosted by Bell PVR (which would be interesting!), but at least
back then, it was a box in your house... I would bet that there is QOS on
the TV packets... so maybe an issue with SIP packets if there are lots of
TV Packets.

I was also told at the time, that TV Viewing goes against the included
bandwidth caps. Which blew me away.

I would jump on this in a heartbeat if there was a way to get more IP
Addresses! (any ideas? Let me know!)  Of course, all the secondary ISPs
want access to this stuff for the speed and the TV side (Teksavvy has had
IPTV on their  coming list for over a year). So maybe it's just a
matter of time...

Of course, I welcome someone to correct me since when I did look into it,
no one knew what the hell I was asking or talking about, and I'm pretty
sure some people were just guessing.

Chuck


-Original Message-
From: Douglas Pickett [mailto:douglas.pick...@rogers.com]
Sent: April-15-11 11:01 AM
To: asterisk@uc.org
Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

I'm only speculating here, but I suspect that Fibe IS a DSLAM in the
roadside brown boxes as has been mentioned in this discussion, but the
high speed backhaul to the CO may or may not be an actual fibre-optic
cable.

For all practical purposes, does it matter if the backhaul is over fibre,
or over copper, as long as Bell offers equivalent performance?

I suspect that new installs are probably fibre to the roadside, whereas
in older areas such as Reza describes the existing copper facilities will
be used.

Regards,
Doug.



On 15/04/2011 10:40 AM, Reza - Voipernetics wrote:
 I appreciate all the feedback and corrections folks have provided
 here... However I still don't understand why they tagged it as fiber
 (unless infact this is a marketing term), because I have
 **personally** verified and looked on site at the distribution box and
 have been confirmed by a bell technician on duty at the site, that in
 the distribution box which is only couple of hundred yards from my
 client that **indeed** there is no fiber underground (connected to the
 distribution box). It is all copper. The neighbourhood is also about
 20+ years old. I thought, and I am still under the impression that its
 merely an upgrade of their DSLAM, that allows a higher thorough put of
 data to make 25 down and 7 up possible.

 Cheers!


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 Patrick Song wrote the following on 4/15/2011 10:00 AM:
 it is a marketing term.

 it is based on VDSL technology facing to customers but Ethernet Fiber
 backhual to the network on DSLAM.



 On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Reza - Voipernetics
 r...@voipernetics.com mailto:r...@voipernetics.com wrote:

 Henry, I have this at my clients. I don't understand why they claim
 it to be Bell Fiber. The modem they use for this service is actually
 a DSL modem. The white brick type modem they supply has a led marked
 DSL,and all the other leds that are similar to a standard dsl modem
 etc. And yes, upload speed is close to the advertised speed and
 download close to their advertised speed.

 --
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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread James Knott

Bill Sandiford wrote:

There is a way to get more IP addresses, you could tunnel to a provider
that would give you more and have all of your traffic delivered over the
tunnel
   
I do that to get my own IPv6 /56 subnet (2^72 addresses*).  I get it 
from gogoNET http://gogonet.gogo6.com.


* I haven't used them all yet.  ;-)


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RE: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Chuck Mariotti
More info _please_! What's your setup? Reliability?

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Sent: April-15-11 11:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

Bill Sandiford wrote:
 There is a way to get more IP addresses, you could tunnel to a 
 provider that would give you more and have all of your traffic 
 delivered over the tunnel

I do that to get my own IPv6 /56 subnet (2^72 addresses*).  I get it from 
gogoNET http://gogonet.gogo6.com.

* I haven't used them all yet.  ;-)


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Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread James Knott
My firewall is running openSUSE 11.3 on an old computer.  I installed 
the Linux version of the tunnel software, which connects to the tunnel 
broker in Montreal (there are others around the world).  It's reliable.  
My home network is fully IPv6 ready, including DNS, with all my 
computers getting IPv6 addresses, in addition to IPv4.  Even my Nexus 
One smart phone runs IPv6 when connected via WiFi to my home network.  
gogoNET can be used in single address or subnet modes.  If you register 
your account you can get static addresses (required for subnet mode).  
They hand out a /56 subnet, which is comprised of 256 /64 subnets.  
There is no charge for this service.  All in all, it works well.  There 
are other tunnel brokers, such as he.net.  He.net hands out /48 subnets, 
but I have no experience with them.


I use subnet mode to my home network and also run the client in single 
address mode on my notebook computer, when away from home.  All my home 
network computers have public IPv6 addresses.


BTW, there are now some consumer grade routers that support IPv6 
tunnelling (6in4 tunnel), but I haven't used any of them.




Chuck Mariotti wrote:

More info _please_! What's your setup? Reliability?

-Original Message-
From: James Knott [mailto:james.kn...@rogers.com]
Sent: April-15-11 11:45 AM
To: asterisk@uc.org
Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

Bill Sandiford wrote:
   

There is a way to get more IP addresses, you could tunnel to a
provider that would give you more and have all of your traffic
delivered over the tunnel

 

I do that to get my own IPv6 /56 subnet (2^72 addresses*).  I get it from 
gogoNET http://gogonet.gogo6.com.

* I haven't used them all yet.  ;-)


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RE: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Bill Sandiford
In the case of IPv6 you could tunnel to one of the various providers out there 
offering IPv6 tunneling

For IPv4, all you need is a router that plugs into your DSL modem that is 
capable of establishing IPSEC, L2TP, PPTP, or GRE tunnels.  Then you find a 
provider that could give you your IPs and traffic.

There are many out there that can do this.  We, Telnet Communications, are one 
of them. (It is a custom setup so don't expect to see pricing on our webpage, 
email me for details).

 

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 From: Chuck Mariotti [mailto:cmario...@xunity.com]
 Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:21 PM
 To: James Knott; asterisk@uc.org
 Subject: RE: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?
 
 More info _please_! What's your setup? Reliability?
 
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 From: James Knott [mailto:james.kn...@rogers.com]
 Sent: April-15-11 11:45 AM
 To: asterisk@uc.org
 Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?
 
 Bill Sandiford wrote:
  There is a way to get more IP addresses, you could tunnel to a
  provider that would give you more and have all of your traffic
  delivered over the tunnel
 
 I do that to get my own IPv6 /56 subnet (2^72 addresses*).  I get it
 from gogoNET http://gogonet.gogo6.com.
 
 * I haven't used them all yet.  ;-)
 
 
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RE: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?

2011-04-15 Thread Bruce N

Stephan was right on about the fiber to the curb. 


FSLAM is in COs. DSLAM, OCLAM, and CSLAM are 90% in the boxes in neighborhoods 
in Toronto now-a-days. Some of Scarboroguh and Toronto neighborhoods that have 
access to Fibe25 can get FibeTV as well. Otherwise FibeTV is not available. 
Don't make a mistake between Fibe internet and FibeTV because not all COs have 
the capability to provide TV yet hence FibeTV is not available everywhere. But 
it should be by end of summer to everyone.


This is not false advertisement as they are using a fancy word Fibe, so be it 
- which is also very related to the backbone. And they are clear in the terms 
about that. I mean, is an Ultimate High Speed connection labeled by an ISP 
really an ULTIMATE connection as the word ULTIMATE is defined in dictionary?

Besides this DOES have the potential to turn into last mile fiber as well which 
I am really hoping for because that well get rid of most the issue with 
copper/rain.
 
***I am not affliated with Bell :-) I just don't think they are misusing the 
self-made-up word Fibe.

-Bruce


 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:44:43 -0400
 From: james.kn...@rogers.com
 To: asterisk@uc.org
 Subject: Re: [on-asterisk] Bell Fibre ?
 
 Bill Sandiford wrote:
  There is a way to get more IP addresses, you could tunnel to a provider
  that would give you more and have all of your traffic delivered over the
  tunnel
  
 I do that to get my own IPv6 /56 subnet (2^72 addresses*). I get it 
 from gogoNET http://gogonet.gogo6.com.
 
 * I haven't used them all yet. ;-)
 
 
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