Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-29 Thread Leif Madsen


Wilton Helm wrote:
 I still am not quite on the same page with you, though.  There are a lot of 
 commands that aren't function calls that go into various config files.  The 
 most basic and obvious one is
 exten
 There must be a hundred of these and I don't know where they are listed with 
 all acceptable parameters and ranges and what they do and why.  There are 
 examples to get one started, but I don't think I can put my hands on even a 
 definitive definition of exten.  Am I making any sense?  Maybe these are 
 called variables or something.


Are you talking about the 'exten' in this example?

exten = s,1,NoOp()

If so, then I'd encourage you to read the first few pages of Dialplan Basics a 
couple more times (Chapter 5). In the PDF, it is listed as page 119, and to 
answer your question specifically, check out page 122 near the top:

The syntax for an extension is the word exten, followed by an arrow formed by 
the equals sign and the greater-than sign, like this:

exten =

This is followed by the name (or number) of the extension. When dealing with 
traditional telephone systems, we tend to think of extensions as the numbers 
you 
would dial to make another phone ring. In Asterisk, you get a whole lot more; 
for example, extension names can be any combination of numbers and letters. 
Over 
the course of this chapter and the next, we’ll use both numeric and 
alphanumeric 
extensions.

Hope that helps,

Leif Madsen.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-28 Thread Steve Gladden
Thanks all very much for the help  pointers.
I've found all of the documentation on asterisk (especially 1.2-1.4) to
be more than adequate, and the voip-info wiki to be almost complete for many
things I've had to do in the past.

I also back in 2004 was able to bring up several high end large scale
systems and asterisk was a major help to keeping food on the table!

Hey! I LOVE my Atari (800XL) 64K
And Star Raiders is the bomb!!!
I'm 41 now :-)

And oddly Motorola 8 bit assembly language is the only serious programming
work I have ever done.
I'm now a stuck-up snob spoiled and too good to learn a high level
programming language because I've worked with the 'cool stuff'! :-)

Steve



 Wilton Helm wrote:

 [snip]

 My conclusion after installing a worthless * demo (that actually does
 allow two SIPs to talk to each other) is that Asterisk is not of any
 value to anyone other than a person who makes a full time career out
 of running Asterisk systems.  I've installed and maintained several
 traditional PABXs and even wrote the control firmware (in 6502
 assembly) for one, with sizes from 6 stations to 300 stations,
 including things like DID.  It was kindergarten compared to Asterisk,
 and primarily because of the huge information vacuum.

 I'm impressed that you picked up 6502 assembly out of an even larger
 vaccum considering there was no 'net back then to help at all.  Did
 you install a PBX on an Atari?  :)

 There is an immense amount of information about Asterisk and Linux in
 general on the net, and it just requires diligence, patience, and an open
 mind to find and utilize.  Even better, read the source if you have
 questions.  Lots of READMEs, comments, and other lists to help
 specifically with development.  It certainly helps to be Unix inclined,
 and if you have no interest in moving in that direction, you are probably
 better off with traditional systems.

 j

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[asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Steve Gladden
New to Aserisk 1.6 and find the 'installation tutorials' seem low to non
existent.

You go to the main Asterisk page (digium.org) and really just old install
instructions for 1.2 are in the examples.

Download links only give you asterisk itself and not dahdi or libpri
which also are needed to run asterisk?
It's very confusing to anyone who is new.
Someone take notice! we need a link to instructions right of the main
asterisk page.

My 1st question is am I missing a good step-by step for 1.6 and how to
compile/install it along with it's side components (dahdi/libpri)?
when/if those side components are actually needed?
When would you run asterisk without them entirely?

2nd question is for an IP/SIP only system do I only need DAHDI or do I need
DAHDI and LIBPRI?

Is libpri only needed if interfacing to a pri?

Is 1.6 so cutting edge that I should not expect to find complete
documentation (yet)like I seem to be expecting very easily?

Thanks much!

Steve




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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Steve Gladden
I meant digium.com.

Yay for messups!
It's been one of those weeks.
Really.




 New to Aserisk 1.6 and find the 'installation tutorials' seem low to non
 existent.

 You go to the main Asterisk page (digium.org) and really just old install
 instructions for 1.2 are in the examples.

 Download links only give you asterisk itself and not dahdi or libpri
 which also are needed to run asterisk?
 It's very confusing to anyone who is new.
 Someone take notice! we need a link to instructions right of the main
 asterisk page.

 My 1st question is am I missing a good step-by step for 1.6 and how to
 compile/install it along with it's side components (dahdi/libpri)?
 when/if those side components are actually needed?
 When would you run asterisk without them entirely?

 2nd question is for an IP/SIP only system do I only need DAHDI or do I
 need
 DAHDI and LIBPRI?

 Is libpri only needed if interfacing to a pri?

 Is 1.6 so cutting edge that I should not expect to find complete
 documentation (yet)like I seem to be expecting very easily?

 Thanks much!

 Steve




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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread David fire
you can use any 1.4 how to but just use dahdi (both modules and tools)
David

2009/1/27 Steve Gladden aster...@michiganbroadband.com

 I meant digium.com.

 Yay for messups!
 It's been one of those weeks.
 Really.




  New to Aserisk 1.6 and find the 'installation tutorials' seem low to non
  existent.
 
  You go to the main Asterisk page (digium.org) and really just old
 install
  instructions for 1.2 are in the examples.
 
  Download links only give you asterisk itself and not dahdi or libpri
  which also are needed to run asterisk?
  It's very confusing to anyone who is new.
  Someone take notice! we need a link to instructions right of the main
  asterisk page.
 
  My 1st question is am I missing a good step-by step for 1.6 and how to
  compile/install it along with it's side components (dahdi/libpri)?
  when/if those side components are actually needed?
  When would you run asterisk without them entirely?
 
  2nd question is for an IP/SIP only system do I only need DAHDI or do I
  need
  DAHDI and LIBPRI?
 
  Is libpri only needed if interfacing to a pri?
 
  Is 1.6 so cutting edge that I should not expect to find complete
  documentation (yet)like I seem to be expecting very easily?
 
  Thanks much!
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Noah Miller
Hi Steve -

 New to Aserisk 1.6 and find the 'installation tutorials' seem low to non
 existent.

Welcome to Open Source!

Seriously, look at the README files accompanying asterisk, dahdi, and
libpri.  They will give you compilation/installation instructions.
You can also search this list with google: Search term
site:lists.digium.com


 Someone take notice! we need a link to instructions right of the main
 asterisk page.

If you have a need for documentation, you're more than welcome to
write it (once you've figured out how to install asterisk).  We all
contribute however we're able.  Well, some of us do.


Now to answer your questions:

 My 1st question is am I missing a good step-by step for 1.6 and how to
 compile/install it along with it's side components (dahdi/libpri)?
 when/if those side components are actually needed?
 When would you run asterisk without them entirely?

 2nd question is for an IP/SIP only system do I only need DAHDI or do I need
 DAHDI and LIBPRI?

If you have no dahdi compatible hardware, you don't need dahdi.  The
one exception to this is meetme, for which you need a dahdi timing
source.  You can use the dummy timing driver.

 Is libpri only needed if interfacing to a pri?

Yes, mostly.  I think you may need it if you have any card that takes
a T1/E1.  I think you may also need it for BRI cards.


 Is 1.6 so cutting edge that I should not expect to find complete
 documentation (yet)like I seem to be expecting very easily?

The short answer is yes, given the glacial pace of documentation
creation, 1.6 is that cutting edge.


- Noah

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Barry L. Kline
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Most of what is applicable to 1.4 is applicable to 1.6.  I'm running 1.6
without any hiccups -- YMMV.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Wilton Helm
New to Aserisk 1.6 and find the 'installation tutorials' seem low to non 
existent.


I first looked at * about four months ago and rapidly came to the same 
conclusion.  Even with the O-Reilly book, which I purchased in paper, although 
it is freely downloadable, I feel there is a huge dearth of information.  As I 
have become a bit involved, I find there is more than meets the eye, but it is 
spread across the entire internet!  So far I am not aware of anything that fits 
any of three categories I feel are essential:

1.  A good tutorial with enough detail to allow a person with a CS degree, 
years of telephony experience and limited Linux experience (myself) 
to install and configure a reasonable * system (something more complex
that an FXO or two and a couple of SIP phones.

2.  A reference guide that lists all commands and options with explanations 
of why
they are useful and how to use them.  Even the book doesn't attempt to 
touch
this one.  Such a reference needs to include things like Dahdi and 
other pieces
that aren't strictly part of * but without which few installations 
could exist.

3.  A decent cross-reference that can quickly allow someone to find the 
scattered
information available on the web.  Even this mailing list is so 
hopelessly linear
in nature compared to most other newsgroups I am involved in as to be 
almost
useless to me.

My conclusion after installing a worthless * demo (that actually does allow two 
SIPs to talk to each other) is that Asterisk is not of any value to anyone 
other than a person who makes a full time career out of running Asterisk 
systems.  I've installed and maintained several traditional PABXs and even 
wrote the control firmware (in 6502 assembly) for one, with sizes from 6 
stations to 300 stations, including things like DID.  It was kindergarten 
compared to Asterisk, and primarily because of the huge information vacuum.

Wilton
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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:24:38AM -0700, Wilton Helm wrote:
 New to Aserisk 1.6 and find the 'installation tutorials' seem low to non 
 existent.
 
 
 I first looked at * about four months ago and rapidly came to the same 
 conclusion.  Even with the O-Reilly book, which I purchased in paper, 
 although it is freely downloadable, I feel there is a huge dearth of 
 information.  As I have become a bit involved, I find there is more than 
 meets the eye, but it is spread across the entire internet!  So far I am not 
 aware of anything that fits any of three categories I feel are essential:
 
 1.  A good tutorial with enough detail to allow a person with a CS 
 degree, 
 years of telephony experience and limited Linux experience (myself) 
 to install and configure a reasonable * system (something more complex
 that an FXO or two and a couple of SIP phones.

Occasionally someone writes such a HOWTO. It varies between versions 
and by your setup.

 
 2.  A reference guide that lists all commands and options with 
 explanations of why
 they are useful and how to use them.  Even the book doesn't attempt 
 to touch
 this one.  Such a reference needs to include things like Dahdi and 
 other pieces
 that aren't strictly part of * but without which few installations 
 could exist.
 

Checked for 1.6.0 and on. See asterisk.pdf (and later also an HTML copy)
under doc/ .

As for DAHDI: a starting point would be the README files included in
dahdi-linux and dahdi-tools . See them also in:

  http://docs.tzafrir.org.il/dahdi-linux/
  http://docs.tzafrir.org.il/dahdi-tools/

Or use 'make docs'

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Wilton Helm wrote:

[snip]
  
 My conclusion after installing a worthless * demo (that actually does 
 allow two SIPs to talk to each other) is that Asterisk is not of any 
 value to anyone other than a person who makes a full time career out 
 of running Asterisk systems.  I've installed and maintained several 
 traditional PABXs and even wrote the control firmware (in 6502 
 assembly) for one, with sizes from 6 stations to 300 stations, 
 including things like DID.  It was kindergarten compared to Asterisk, 
 and primarily because of the huge information vacuum.
My conclusion, after installing an interesting * demo (that actually 
does allow two SIPs to talk to each other) in late 2004 is that Asterisk 
is of immense value to me and the company that I work for, having saved 
us well over $100,000 (if not more) over the last four years. I am not a 
person who makes a full time career out of running Asterisk - quite the 
opposite. I am employed to write business applications, not maintain * 
systems. I had zero knowledge of PABX's and telecoms before I 
implemented *, and the vacuum that you refer to provided me with 
everything I needed to implement a system that today is making over 
300,000 call attempts per month with 30 agents and 140 extensions, with 
call monitoring, recording and voicemail.

YMMV. Mine certainly did. For the better.

Julian.
  
 Wilton
  
 

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere

 Wilton Helm wrote:

 [snip]

 My conclusion after installing a worthless * demo (that actually does
 allow two SIPs to talk to each other) is that Asterisk is not of any
 value to anyone other than a person who makes a full time career out
 of running Asterisk systems.  I've installed and maintained several
 traditional PABXs and even wrote the control firmware (in 6502
 assembly) for one, with sizes from 6 stations to 300 stations,
 including things like DID.  It was kindergarten compared to Asterisk,
 and primarily because of the huge information vacuum.

I'm impressed that you picked up 6502 assembly out of an even larger 
vaccum considering there was no 'net back then to help at all.  Did 
you install a PBX on an Atari?  :)

There is an immense amount of information about Asterisk and Linux in 
general on the net, and it just requires diligence, patience, and an open 
mind to find and utilize.  Even better, read the source if you have 
questions.  Lots of READMEs, comments, and other lists to help 
specifically with development.  It certainly helps to be Unix inclined, 
and if you have no interest in moving in that direction, you are probably 
better off with traditional systems.

j

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Wilton Helm
Thanks for the reply.  I have looked at the links you provided and I think they 
will be useful.  I may have some issues with drivers for the HFC, but I guess I 
won't know until I try it.

Wilton
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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Wilton Helm
YMMV. Mine certainly did. For the better.

My comments were more negative than I intended.  My installation is worthless 
at this point because it is only a cookbook example and I haven't tried to 
modify it to meet my needs.  I didn't intend to imply that Asterisk is 
worthless, just that I've only gotten to the point of a trivial demo.

My main concern is that the documentation isn't for the faint of heart.  If one 
doesn't devote many hours, on a regular, ongoing basis, they may never get to 
the point of understanding it enough to apply it to a real-world situation.  
The more I explore and the more feedback I get, the more I find is there.  I 
just got a very nice posting from Tzafir showing me a web domain I didn't even 
know existed.  Not surprising, it is a lot like Linux--everyone has there own 
idea of what is needed and how it should be done, so it becomes a monster that 
is hard to get a handle on.  From what I've seen so far, the commands far 
exceed any commercial PABX I've ever used or evaluated.  It is very powerful, 
but the learning curve is immense, and I'm both a CS professional and a 
telephony professional.

I'm not abandoning it by any means, but am frustrated at even where to jump in. 
 I excitedly bought the O-Reily book, only to find that for all 1000 pages, it 
never provided anything that could be considered a reference manual and that 
its tutorials weren't even a good fit to my needs.  It did get me two SIP 
phones talking to each other and to a softphone, but only after hours of 
experimenting with SIP phone settings and contacts with the manufacturers (who 
knew even less about VoIP).

I think part of the problem is that the only people who know enough about * to 
address the documentation problems are busy either developing hardware and 
software for it or using it to run their businesses and don't have time to 
address the documentation problem, which is understandable.  Also, once a 
person gets to that level of knowledge, its easy to forget how little a 
newcomer knows and leave out a lot of necessary details.

Wilton
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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Markus A. Wipfler


On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Wilton Helm wrote:


YMMV. Mine certainly did. For the better.

My comments were more negative than I intended.  My installation is  
worthless at this point because it is only a cookbook example and  
I haven't tried to modify it to meet my needs.  I didn't intend to  
imply that Asterisk is worthless, just that I've only gotten to the  
point of a trivial demo.


My main concern is that the documentation isn't for the faint of  
heart.  If one doesn't devote many hours, on a regular, ongoing  
basis, they may never get to the point of understanding it enough to  
apply it to a real-world situation.  The more I explore and the more  
feedback I get, the more I find is there.  I just got a very nice  
posting from Tzafir showing me a web domain I didn't even know  
existed.  Not surprising, it is a lot like Linux--everyone has there  
own idea of what is needed and how it should be done, so it becomes  
a monster that is hard to get a handle on.  From what I've seen so  
far, the commands far exceed any commercial PABX I've ever used or  
evaluated.  It is very powerful, but the learning curve is immense,  
and I'm both a CS professional and a telephony professional.


I'm not abandoning it by any means, but am frustrated at even where  
to jump in.  I excitedly bought the O-Reily book, only to find that  
for all 1000 pages, it never provided anything that could be  
considered a reference manual and that its tutorials weren't even a  
good fit to my needs.  It did get me two SIP phones talking to each  
other and to a softphone, but only after hours of experimenting with  
SIP phone settings and contacts with the manufacturers (who knew  
even less about VoIP).


I think part of the problem is that the only people who know enough  
about * to address the documentation problems are busy either  
developing hardware and software for it or using it to run their  
businesses and don't have time to address the documentation problem,  
which is understandable.  Also, once a person gets to that level of  
knowledge, its easy to forget how little a newcomer knows and leave  
out a lot of necessary details.



Very true, but what you have to understand is that we all started out  
with zero knowledge about *. One thing i have learned over the years  
with * ( linux/unix), that there is plenty of info readily available  
as long as you know where to look. Best place to start is always the  
README file or man pages.Also, apart from google I found voip-info.org  
to be an excellent online recourse. If you are not comfortable with  
using linux, then i would suggest using something like trixbox (www.trixbox.org 
) which can be configured via a webinterface.





userfriendly


Wilton
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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Wilton Helm
I'm impressed that you picked up 6502 assembly out of an even larger 
vaccum considering there was no 'net back then to help at all.  Did 
you install a PBX on an Atari?

No, I interfaced a Rockwell AIM to a 300 station Philips electromechanical PABX 
(designed and built about 100 interface cards, including DTMF receivers) and 
then wrote all the call processing code.  The Rockwell AIM did come with 
manuals that completely documented both the hardware interface and the 
instruction set.  In the days before the 'net, such paperwork was mandatory.

it just requires diligence, patience,

I'm trying.

It certainly helps to be Unix inclined,

Unix was barely out of Bell Labs when I got my CS degree and we never saw it, 
so I am at a disadvantage.  I have worked a bit with a couple of Unix 
installations since and do have a computer running Fedora 9 and one that is 
supposed to be running Fedora 10 64 bit if I can ever get past a kernel bug, so 
I am trying to come up to speed.  I am a lot more familiar with what to do 
after the reset vector on an 80186, or the inner workings of a protocol stack.

Wilton
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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:50:42PM -0700, Wilton Helm wrote:

 I just got a very nice posting from Tzafir showing me a web domain 
 I didn't even know existed.  

It only includes documentation generated by 'make docs' . And is
actually linked from the README itself.

 I'm not abandoning it by any means, but am frustrated at even where to 
 jump in.  I excitedly bought the O-Reily book, only to find that for 
 all 1000 pages, it never provided anything that could be considered a 
 reference manual 

It actually does contain references of all applicaitons, CLI commands,
and such.

-- 
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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Wilton Helm
It actually does contain references of all applicaitons, CLI commands, and 
such.


Where?  I saw some examples, but I've never found an organized list of 
commands.  I'd love it.

Wilton
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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 15:05:57 Wilton Helm wrote:
 It actually does contain references of all applicaitons, CLI commands, and
  such.

 Where?  I saw some examples, but I've never found an organized list of
 commands.  I'd love it.

For applications, Appendix B, and for dialplan functions, Appendix F.  I
put a great deal of effort to be sure that both of these appendices not
only documented every single application and function, but also that every
single one of them contained example code that illustrated their use and
documented every single option available.  If anything is missing from these
two appendices (other than old deprecated stuff that we'd prefer that people
forget about), I'd love to hear about it.

-- 
Tilghman

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Wilton Helm
Thanks for engaging with me on this.  I picked up the book and I see what you 
mean about Appendix B.  I had under-appreciated it probably because of a 
paradigm shift I need to make.  I think you meant Appendix E rather than F for 
dialplan.

I still am not quite on the same page with you, though.  There are a lot of 
commands that aren't function calls that go into various config files.  The 
most basic and obvious one is
exten
There must be a hundred of these and I don't know where they are listed with 
all acceptable parameters and ranges and what they do and why.  There are 
examples to get one started, but I don't think I can put my hands on even a 
definitive definition of exten.  Am I making any sense?  Maybe these are called 
variables or something.

I'm scared to even look for the setting for an NT1 ISDN BRI, which is the 
mountain I have to climb next.

Wilton


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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.6 dahdi only?

2009-01-27 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Wilton Helm wrote:
 Thanks for engaging with me on this.  I picked up the book and I see 
 what you mean about Appendix B.  I had under-appreciated it probably 
 because of a paradigm shift I need to make.  I think you meant 
 Appendix E rather than F for dialplan.
  
 I still am not quite on the same page with you, though.  There are a 
 lot of commands that aren't function calls that go into various config 
 files.  The most basic and obvious one is
 exten
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+howto+dial+plan
 There must be a hundred of these and I don't know where they are 
 listed with all acceptable parameters and ranges and what they do and 
 why.  There are examples to get one started, but I don't think I can 
 put my hands on even a definitive definition of exten.  Am I making 
 any sense?  Maybe these are called variables or something.
all the parameters as you call them are the dialplan commands and 
functions

http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk%20config%20extensions.conf

   exten = 123,1,Answer 
   exten = 123,2,Playback(tt-weasels) 
   exten = 123,3,Voicemail(44) 
   exten = 123,4,Hangup 

if the number 123 is called,
step1: answer the call
step2: run the application called Playback, using the tt-weasels 
sound file (this plays tt-weasels to whoever called 123)
step3: run the voicemail application for mailbox 44
step4: hangup the call

iow, 123 is the called extension, and steps 1,2,3,4 are then executed

Julian
  
 I'm scared to even look for the setting for an NT1 ISDN BRI, which is 
 the mountain I have to climb next.
  
 Wilton
  
  
  
 

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