[Aus-soaring] Blanik L-13 EASA STC
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders
Mike, At first glance, the concept of allowing cloud flying in competitions has problems relating to both fairness and safety, and I would be interested to know how the Kiwis handle it. The problem is that the level of competence in cloud flying among competitors will vary greatly (from none to excellent) and CD's will not easily be able to tell who is competent and current, and who is not. Then there will be days when having the skill will impart a huge advantage, tempting those with lesser or no skills to give it a go. Foreign pilots from countries like Australia would presumably be excluded from such competitions on safety grounds, and if not would certainly be at such a disadvantage that it would not be worth entering anyway. Do you have any insights into how they deal with it? The idea of a 20-glider gaggle is scary enough in clear air for most people - the idea that this gaggle could legally all disappear into the same cloud is genuinely thought-provoking :) Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 15/06/2011 11:40, Mike Borgelt wrote: Cloud flying is permitted in NZ in designated cloud flying areas even in contests IIRC from a couple of years ago. Flying on instruments is a matter of training and practice. We nowadays have wonderful PC based flight simulators (Condor?) for the practice. The old arguments about we don't know where we are no longer hold as we have GPS with moving maps. Attitude indicators aren't all that expensive and the necessary sensors can be built into soaring instruments. These can be built so they don't have the problems that old AH instruments had in gliders(indicated bank decreases with time). With a little awareness(pitot icing), proper equipment, training and procedures and some PC based recurrent practice there doesn't seem to be any reason not fly in cloud now and again in gliders. Might be fun to fly out into the sunshine and smooth air from the side of a tall cumulus. You'd want to see what happens in your glider if you trim aft and open the brakes and then take hands and feet off the controls. Some gliders are claimed to have a benign spiral mode. Mike At 11:05 AM 15/06/2011, you wrote: Hi all, I suspect that two factors were significant in the early days of the BGA which were not so relevant in Australia. First, the number of days with cumulus cloud and relatively low cloudbases, and secondly a number of ex-air force pilots with IFR skills being involved in the formation of the gliding movement. The countries that permitted (and still permit) cloud flying seem to be limited to northern Europe and so it is likely that weather conditions play a big part in swinging the decision. Cloud flying was banned in world competition after the 1972 World Comps (a collision and fatality in cloud) and as far as I know this ban is universal in competitions now, even in countries that allow cloud flying in other circumstances. I think that during the 1970's several gliders were built with VNE limiting brakes (Club Libelle, Hornet, Mosquito, Cobra, Pik20, Nimbus 2C) but earlier designs such as Libelle, Cirrus, Kestrel were not (though some had tail chutes) and after the 1980's I think very few if any were speed limited. I don't have blind flying instruments in my glider and would not use them, even if I did. It's hard enough to thermal when I can see. Cheers *Tim* /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare / On 14/06/2011 11:21, gstev...@bigpond.com mailto:gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi All, I would very much like to know the process/history on how 'cloud flying came to be banned for gliders (in Australia), and when. I am somewhat surprised that as an ex British Colony - read we used to do what the Brits did even long after Federation - and cloud flying in gliders is, and has been for many years, permitted in the UK why we in Australia went down a different path. How many pilots on this list have Bohli and similar compasses fitted to their glider and feel they are competent to use them as a blind flying aid? What are the experiences of members, who when flying wave, had the Fohn Gap close under them. There must be many a tale to be told here? Regards, Gary ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring *Borgelt Instruments* - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com
[Aus-soaring] Goshawk Flies Through Tiny Spaces in Slo-Mo!
Hi everyone! Please enjoy the enclosed youtube video! Kind regards to all! Bernard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CFckjfP-1Efeature=youtube_gdata_player ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik L-13 EASA STC
http://www.gfa.org.au/imis15/GFA/News_Content/Air_News_Content/L13A1.aspx http://2009.gfa.org.au/Docs/airworth/CASA_10-14335.pdf *Kevin Roden * On 15 June 2011 17:20, Boris Doig borisd...@hotmail.com wrote: *http://www.aircraftdc.de/ENG/* ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders
Tim, I didn't ask. It was a competition briefing and the CD noted that the task passed through the allowed cloud flying area and you could cloud fly there. This was at Waharoa (North island). They do have complete radar coverage and the gliders all have transponders. Even in the UK they don't just all climb up in the cloud in a gaggle. The BGA has some rules for this including radio calls, a cloud flying frequency and some rules so that two gliders don't occupy the same cloud at anything like the same altitude. If cloud flying is allowed in contests and you are serious as a competitor and believe it may be an advantage, I guess you'd equip the glider and acquire the skill. How many interesting skills do we want to lose or eliminate entirely? Navigation no longer has an advantage in being able to do it without GPS and being able to position the glider for turnpoint photos is gone. Of course in legal terms, glider pilots in Australia all cloud fly when they fly closer than 1000 feet to cloudbase(used to be 500 feet in the old days until the ATC mob snuck this through). Likewise 1.5Km horizontally. Interesting that. Mike At 05:25 PM 15/06/2011, you wrote: Mike, At first glance, the concept of allowing cloud flying in competitions has problems relating to both fairness and safety, and I would be interested to know how the Kiwis handle it. The problem is that the level of competence in cloud flying among competitors will vary greatly (from none to excellent) and CD's will not easily be able to tell who is competent and current, and who is not. Then there will be days when having the skill will impart a huge advantage, tempting those with lesser or no skills to give it a go. Foreign pilots from countries like Australia would presumably be excluded from such competitions on safety grounds, and if not would certainly be at such a disadvantage that it would not be worth entering anyway. Do you have any insights into how they deal with it? The idea of a 20-glider gaggle is scary enough in clear air for most people - the idea that this gaggle could legally all disappear into the same cloud is genuinely thought-provoking :) Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 15/06/2011 11:40, Mike Borgelt wrote: Cloud flying is permitted in NZ in designated cloud flying areas even in contests IIRC from a couple of years ago. Flying on instruments is a matter of training and practice. We nowadays have wonderful PC based flight simulators (Condor?) for the practice. The old arguments about we don't know where we are no longer hold as we have GPS with moving maps. Attitude indicators aren't all that expensive and the necessary sensors can be built into soaring instruments. These can be built so they don't have the problems that old AH instruments had in gliders(indicated bank decreases with time). With a little awareness(pitot icing), proper equipment, training and procedures and some PC based recurrent practice there doesn't seem to be any reason not fly in cloud now and again in gliders. Might be fun to fly out into the sunshine and smooth air from the side of a tall cumulus. You'd want to see what happens in your glider if you trim aft and open the brakes and then take hands and feet off the controls. Some gliders are claimed to have a benign spiral mode. Mike At 11:05 AM 15/06/2011, you wrote: Hi all, I suspect that two factors were significant in the early days of the BGA which were not so relevant in Australia. First, the number of days with cumulus cloud and relatively low cloudbases, and secondly a number of ex-air force pilots with IFR skills being involved in the formation of the gliding movement. The countries that permitted (and still permit) cloud flying seem to be limited to northern Europe and so it is likely that weather conditions play a big part in swinging the decision. Cloud flying was banned in world competition after the 1972 World Comps (a collision and fatality in cloud) and as far as I know this ban is universal in competitions now, even in countries that allow cloud flying in other circumstances. I think that during the 1970's several gliders were built with VNE limiting brakes (Club Libelle, Hornet, Mosquito, Cobra, Pik20, Nimbus 2C) but earlier designs such as Libelle, Cirrus, Kestrel were not (though some had tail chutes) and after the 1980's I think very few if any were speed limited. I don't have blind flying instruments in my glider and would not use them, even if I did. It's hard enough to thermal when I can see. Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 14/06/2011 11:21, mailto:gstev...@bigpond.comgstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi All, I would very much like to know the process/history on how 'cloud flying came to be banned for gliders (in Australia), and when. I am somewhat surprised that as an ex British Colony - read we used to do what the
[Aus-soaring] JoeyGlide website, Live!
JOEYGLIDE = 10-17th December, 2011. Kingaroy Airfield! G’day everyone, It’s with great pleasure, with thanks to the tireless efforts of a junior member Ailsa McMillian, the JoeyGlide website (www.joeyglide.com.au) is now live! Please join in with me in thanking Ailsa for designing this site, as well as one of our long term JoeyGlide sponsors, Heath L’Estrange at www.webadventures.com.au for hosting this site. The big ticket item in this announcement is that we are now able to open the entries (and expressions of interest) to JoeyGlide! Please check out the website, and if you’re a junior pilot that it going to be joining us for the event – we’d love to see your name on the entries list! I look forward to bringing you and the world more news as it develops in the news section, via the tweets, facebook group - JoeyGlide News (for everyone who’s interested in following the event), tracking site, and the scoring live** (see below!). Safe Circles, Adam Woolley SPONSORS!! INTERNODE! www.internode.on.net On behalf of the Australian Junior Gliding movement, we’d love to thank Simon and his Internode team for continued long term support of the JoeyGlide event! Please check out their website at www.internode.on.net “Internode is an Australian owned, national Internet services provider. We love the Internet - and Internode delivers so much more than just an Internet connection.” Gliding Queensland! To Foster, Promote and Develop Gliding throughout the Region We have an amazing culture up in Queensland due to the massive support we all receive from GQ, so come up and have a glide one day, month or year! Thanks to Dave Donald and his team for helping the juniors out this year. I assure you it will be one to remember! For all your news, info on Queensland Clubs, development, history and heaps more – please check out: www.glidingqueensland.org.au **Swift Avionics Thanks to Mark Newton of Swift Avionics (http://www.swiftavionics.com.au/), JoeyGlide is yet again able to lead the way in competition soaring in Australia. This year we’ll be running the fabulous new device called the DittoLog (www.dittolog.com) in 25 of the competitors glider. This device brings you wirelessly online flight sheets, online logbooks, online accounting interface. DittoLog saves time, improves efficiency and money! Where we’ll be leading the way though, by the time that the junior gets out of their cockpit, they’ll have been scored! SimJet Thanks for providing some great prizes and sponsorship for this and future years JoeyGlide, we’ll be sure to announce them in the coming issues! Come and try your hand at flying a Boeing 737 simulator, Nick Kranenburg will make the simulator available at a special hire rate for any member of the GFA HGFA when it’s not being used by a airline academy! Check it out at www.simjet.com.au ; Go Soaring “Products for the soaring enthusiast” Thanks again to Al Sim of Go Soaring, who has been a great supporter of JoeyGlide over the years – by providing prizes, shirts and his enthusiasm for the sport. Check out his website: www.gosoaring.com.au WebAdventures Thanks to Heath L’Estrange for hosting the JoeyGlide website, his support has made my life much easier on the web front! Web Adventures is an Australian business based in Adelaide providing specialised Web Hosting, Design, and Marketing services to customers. We pride ourselves on providing a level of service that makes your website development project as pain free as possible. Please check out: www.webadventures.com.au ; ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] JoeyGlide website, Live!
Sorry Swift Avionics, Mark Fisher is the man to thank! Regards, Adam Woolley From: Adam Woolley Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:33 PM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] JoeyGlide website, Live! JOEYGLIDE = 10-17th December, 2011. Kingaroy Airfield! G’day everyone, It’s with great pleasure, with thanks to the tireless efforts of a junior member Ailsa McMillian, the JoeyGlide website (www.joeyglide.com.au) is now live! Please join in with me in thanking Ailsa for designing this site, as well as one of our long term JoeyGlide sponsors, Heath L’Estrange at www.webadventures.com.au for hosting this site. The big ticket item in this announcement is that we are now able to open the entries (and expressions of interest) to JoeyGlide! Please check out the website, and if you’re a junior pilot that it going to be joining us for the event – we’d love to see your name on the entries list! I look forward to bringing you and the world more news as it develops in the news section, via the tweets, facebook group - JoeyGlide News (for everyone who’s interested in following the event), tracking site, and the scoring live** (see below!). Safe Circles, Adam Woolley SPONSORS!! INTERNODE! www.internode.on.net On behalf of the Australian Junior Gliding movement, we’d love to thank Simon and his Internode team for continued long term support of the JoeyGlide event! Please check out their website at www.internode.on.net “Internode is an Australian owned, national Internet services provider. We love the Internet - and Internode delivers so much more than just an Internet connection.” Gliding Queensland! To Foster, Promote and Develop Gliding throughout the Region We have an amazing culture up in Queensland due to the massive support we all receive from GQ, so come up and have a glide one day, month or year! Thanks to Dave Donald and his team for helping the juniors out this year. I assure you it will be one to remember! For all your news, info on Queensland Clubs, development, history and heaps more – please check out: www.glidingqueensland.org.au **Swift Avionics Thanks to Mark Newton of Swift Avionics (http://www.swiftavionics.com.au/), JoeyGlide is yet again able to lead the way in competition soaring in Australia. This year we’ll be running the fabulous new device called the DittoLog (www.dittolog.com) in 25 of the competitors glider. This device brings you wirelessly online flight sheets, online logbooks, online accounting interface. DittoLog saves time, improves efficiency and money! Where we’ll be leading the way though, by the time that the junior gets out of their cockpit, they’ll have been scored! SimJet Thanks for providing some great prizes and sponsorship for this and future years JoeyGlide, we’ll be sure to announce them in the coming issues! Come and try your hand at flying a Boeing 737 simulator, Nick Kranenburg will make the simulator available at a special hire rate for any member of the GFA HGFA when it’s not being used by a airline academy! Check it out at www.simjet.com.au ; Go Soaring “Products for the soaring enthusiast” Thanks again to Al Sim of Go Soaring, who has been a great supporter of JoeyGlide over the years – by providing prizes, shirts and his enthusiasm for the sport. Check out his website: www.gosoaring.com.au WebAdventures Thanks to Heath L’Estrange for hosting the JoeyGlide website, his support has made my life much easier on the web front! Web Adventures is an Australian business based in Adelaide providing specialised Web Hosting, Design, and Marketing services to customers. We pride ourselves on providing a level of service that makes your website development project as pain free as possible. Please check out: www.webadventures.com.au ; ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik L-13 EASA STC
http://www.planes.cz/en/photo/1095894/l-13-blanik-ec-cit-aeroclub-lillo-lelt/ :( Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:18:17 +1000 From: ea...@rdds.com.au To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik L-13 EASA STC http://www.gfa.org.au/imis15/GFA/News_Content/Air_News_Content/L13A1.aspx http://2009.gfa.org.au/Docs/airworth/CASA_10-14335.pdf Kevin Roden On 15 June 2011 17:20, Boris Doig borisd...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.aircraftdc.de/ENG/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] VSA Winter Workshops
Hi folks, Just a quick reminder that the first of the VSA Winter Workshops will be held on Tuesday June 21 at St Francis Pastoral Centre, 326 Lonsdale St, Melbourne (McKillop Room) commencing 7:30 pm sharp. The evening's activities will focus on wave flying opportunities particularly in the Grampians area of Western Victoria - how to prepare and how to get the most enjoyment out of the experience. Subsequent workshops will be held at St Francis each fortnight commencing July 5, but in the Monastery Hall. Regards, Geoff Vincent (Acting Workshop Coordinator) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
