[Aus-soaring] Another airport conflict
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Another airport conflict
At 04:24 PM 4/09/2011, you wrote: http://saratogian.com/articles/2011/09/03/news/doc4e62e8ad3f528106868463.txt?viewmode=fullstory For a country that's broke, sliding backwards with high unemployment there seems to be a lot of private/business jet use. I'm surprised at the alleged increasing number of private pilots too. All the figures I've seen show decreasing numbers. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Horsham - old photos
Hi, I digitized a collection of photos by Jan Ward, the the Wimmera Mail Times photographer. They all come from the Horsham Flying Club archive and cover the period of 1972 to 1995. http://horshamweek.org.au/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=427:ian-wards-black-and-white-collectioncatid=12:galleriesItemid=17 Regards Jarek___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Another airport conflict
Perhaps because something like 2% of the people have 90% of the money. It's called the trickle-down theory. Jim From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another airport conflict At 04:24 PM 4/09/2011, you wrote: http://saratogian.com/articles/2011/09/03/news/doc4e62e8ad3f528106868463.txt?viewmode=fullstory For a country that's broke, sliding backwards with high unemployment there seems to be a lot of private/business jet use. I'm surprised at the alleged increasing number of private pilots too. All the figures I've seen show decreasing numbers. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Good morning Paul, Funny how I can remember somethings but not others but this one I will have a shot at. The Foka 4 was first imported by a syndicate which included Jan Coolhass, Johnny Blackwell and some others in the mid 60's. They were quite active having imported a Sagitta and a Foka 3 before that. Jan wrote some very good articles in AG on the merits of the 2 types. In those days you sort of chose what your competition number would be and you could keep it over different gliders. For example, Number 4 was the Gull 4 and then VMFG Ka6. The Sagitta was the first to have 70 and the Foka 3 was 71. When they turned up with the Foka 4 at Benalla in 67/68 it was sporting the number 70. That number was subsequently transferred to Jan's HP-14 which broke up at the Nats in 1970. It was I believe the first successful bail out in Aust gliding history. A good story was written by Jan for AG as well. I don't know if it was one of the ones flown at South Cerney, I suspect not as it would have been brand new when purchased but I maybe wrong. Was your connection with number 70 the reason you had 70 on the tail of the Kestrel 19 at the Waikerie World Comps in 1974 ? I know TT chose 71 as it was easier to paint on!! Regards Patch. - Original Message - From: Paul Mander p...@mander.net.au To: jar...@optusnet.com.au, Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au Sent: Monday, 5 September, 2011 12:27:58 AM (GMT+1000) Auto-Detected Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Peter Hanneman can't recall offhand where they bought the Foka but thinks it was an offshore purchase probably arranged by Werner Geisler. Johnny Blackwell might recall. Our 70 didn't have a stroke through the 7 and it was an Australian issued number but Peter thinks it could easily have been issued on the basis of the provenance of the aircraft. He wasn't flying in the aerobatic display but he was at South Cerney as the captain of the Irish team into which he and his friend Cohen were recruited as guest Irishmen. I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. The Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual navigation over the crowded English landscape. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mander Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 12:28 AM To: jar...@optusnet.com.au; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'Mike Timbrell' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Another airport conflict
At 03:15 AM 5/09/2011, you wrote: Perhaps because something like 2% of the people have 90% of the money. It's called the trickle-down theory. Jim Do you think it is much different in Australia? Or for that matter in the old USSR where the nomenklatura didn't have huge bank accounts or assets in their name necessarily but just lived as though they did - including the jet use? Also somewhat harder to get ahead, for the average peasant. Traditional gliding is a problem on general use airfields. Don't even think about winches and aerotow generates two movements for evey one glider movement and gliders can't move on the ground without cars etc. There are solutions. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Variometer performance improvements
With the general progress away from flow based variometers (electric and otherwise) where doing away with the problems of flasks seems beneficial, surely the next step is to get rid of the flexible plastic plumbing from the TE head on the fin LE to instrument panel. It can't help to have the flexible plumbing moving during gusts and pull ups as the movement can induce unhelpful volume changes in the line, albeit that they might be small, which alters the signal. With power and data wiring to the fin, the pressure transducer unit could sit in the fin in a waterproof accessible location. Then the pressure transducer would see raw data from the TE head better but then perhaps the signal filtering may be more challenging. Or does the long plastic pneumatic line act as a signal damper in a useful way? Just a query for a slow Monday morning. Maybe someone out there has attempted this approach? Roger Druce ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Another airport conflict
Flying over Australia's gliding regions I see the odd grass farm strip suitable for Cessna 182s, occasionally a larger gravel one for a Baron. Over Texas I saw a LOT of sealed strips suitable for Citation/Learjets with a few for 737s!! Tom From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, 4 September 2011 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another airport conflict At 04:24 PM 4/09/2011, you wrote: http://saratogian.com/articles/2011/09/03/news/doc4e62e8ad3f528106868463.txt?viewmode=fullstory For a country that's broke, sliding backwards with high unemployment there seems to be a lot of private/business jet use. I'm surprised at the alleged increasing number of private pilots too. All the figures I've seen show decreasing numbers. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Variometer performance improvements
Hi Roger, For retrofitting such a device it could be more convenient to mount it behind the cockpit where the TE plumbing first meets the light of day and the length of our arms :) Would there need to be one per vario? Unless the components were standardised, there probably would. Most loggers use the Intersema transducers these days but there are several other types around. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 5/09/2011 11:11, Roger Druce wrote: With the general progress away from flow based variometers (electric and otherwise) where doing away with the problems of flasks seems beneficial, surely the next step is to get rid of the flexible plastic plumbing from the TE head on the fin LE to instrument panel. It can't help to have the flexible plumbing moving during gusts and pull ups as the movement can induce unhelpful volume changes in the line, albeit that they might be small, which alters the signal. With power and data wiring to the fin, the pressure transducer unit could sit in the fin in a waterproof accessible location. Then the pressure transducer would see raw data from the TE head better but then perhaps the signal filtering may be more challenging. Or does the long plastic pneumatic line act as a signal damper in a useful way? Just a query for a slow Monday morning. Maybe someone out there has attempted this approach? Roger Druce ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Variometer performance improvements
At 11:11 AM 5/09/2011, you wrote: With the general progress away from flow based variometers (electric and otherwise) where doing away with the problems of flasks seems beneficial, surely the next step is to get rid of the flexible plastic plumbing from the TE head on the fin LE to instrument panel. It can't help to have the flexible plumbing moving during gusts and pull ups as the movement can induce unhelpful volume changes in the line, albeit that they might be small, which alters the signal. With power and data wiring to the fin, the pressure transducer unit could sit in the fin in a waterproof accessible location. Then the pressure transducer would see raw data from the TE head better but then perhaps the signal filtering may be more challenging. Or does the long plastic pneumatic line act as a signal damper in a useful way? Just a query for a slow Monday morning. Maybe someone out there has attempted this approach? Roger Druce This is certainly possible to do. Could even do it wireless nowadays with a fatter section on the fin TE probe, a small solar cell and a lithium battery.(you read it here first). Maybe a section of fiberglass wrapped around the fin LE There are several problems with the fin TE mount. You can get over the tubing problem with hard nylon pressure tube in the fuselage, tied down properly. It is in our installation guidelines I think. The real problem is that it is around a meter above the panel. As the g loads change this introduces changing pressure signals. Think about it. When you are pulling 2 g the pressure gradient in the fin is twice what it is in the atmosphere outside so going from 1 g to 2 g the bottom of the fin thinks it has gone down one meter. Take the g off and it has gone back up one meter. So a sudden increase in g will show momentary sink on the vario, removing the g will show lift. The quicker you do this and the greater the g the larger is the pressure transient on the vario. Moving the sensor to the fin will help here. NOTE: changes in g cause momentary vario transients. Steady g won't. This is a simple treatment. It is more complex than this in reality. Regardless of where the TE probe is mounted there are still other problems: The induced drag effect. Surprisingly, maybe, this is greater at low speeds than at high speeds. At best L/D induced drag = profile drag so doubling the G load will double the sink rate due to induced drag. NOTE: Here steady g causes the extra sink or lift on the vario. Horizontal gusts. In thermals we fly in in a turbulent atmosphere. We're looking for vertical air motion going upwards. There's also lots of air motion horizontally. The effect of small horizontal gradients in the atmosphere is surprisingly large on TE systems OF ANY KIND and depends on the TRUE air speed SQUARED of the glider penetrating the gust. Aerokurier ran an article in 1990 on this called. your vario tells lies. Several pages of the physics and mathematics of this. Unfortunately the author got the frame of reference wrong and came to the wrong conclusion. He thought it depended on TAS not the square of it. This can be fixed by not having TE at all. Unfortunately the vario then also becomes useless. I've got an article on our website www.borgeltinstruments.com about this. Note that the last two problems aren't fixed by mounting the sensor on the fin. In my opinion the horizontal gust problem is the last interesting instrumentation problem in sailplanes. A solution is in sight. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Hi Graham, If it was 65/66 then it could just be the one. Looking at the pic it looks all shiny and new and no 70 on the fin. Cheers Ian P - Original Message - From: Graham Watts grah...@arach.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 5 September, 2011 11:29:41 AM (GMT+1000) Auto-Detected Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney / Waikerie 74
Hi, When I started gliding in 1974, Foka was still a glider a young pilot could only dream about. Eventually I did my 500km diamond in one of them, SP-2414, downwind run across Poland, from one boarder to another, east to west, landing next to a Soviet military airfield that did not exist on the map. It was a beautiful glider to fly with very unique flat body position in the cockpit. With the spoilers fully extended, one could dive vertically, standing on the rudder pedals, looking down to the ground. Really great memories. ... and from the same source a short film about the Waikerie 74 championships. http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-30,ile-10,samolot-110.html Few years later, in Leszno, I converted to my first composite glider, it was the Jantar Standard 1, SW you can see in the movie. The Open Jantars got sold after the championships by the Polish team, one of them, is the GOD and it has its home in Bacchus Marsh. Regards Jarek Paul Mander p...@mander.net.au wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Oz Flarm and Altair Pro
At 10:32 PM 28/08/2011, you wrote: Hi Chris, Your GPS hint is a tad misleading given that the unit has a native internal GPS that seems to satisfy the needs of a great many Flarm owners. While we are on the subject of Flarm can anyone definitively confirm whether the Flarm vertical separation algorithms rely on GPS or pressure altitude data. I have some very interesting empirical results that suggest Flarm GPS altitude data can be seriously out of step with other GPS derived data - although not necessarily out of step with other Flarm units. Regards, Geoff V Hi Geoff, Would you care to elaborate on this? Private reply if you don't want to go public on it. Regards Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Queensland State Gliding Championships
Hi All, Less than 3 weeks to go! Entries now exceeding 35 for the QLD State Comps which is great although club class could do with a few more, 18 metre is quite well represented with a good mix of gliders. Standard class also will be an interesting race. The largest numbers from one club are so far from Kingaroy with an excellent turnout (c'mon DDSC ) Not many coming from interstate (Two I think from memory, thanks Simon and Bruce) which is quite a bit down from previous years. Warwick is the closest club to travel to if coming from down south and all genuine interstate entries get a complimentary beer or glass of wine, or non-alcoholic beverage - weathers been great which you can view on the OLC, nearly every weekend some ones done over 300 Km's with 3 x 400km's from Warwick last month! If you are coming and haven't registered could you do so now as we need to arrange tow planes and give Val an idea on how many she might have to cook for. http://statecomps11.warwickgliding.org.au/ Cheers Nigel Andrews The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
So that one was the Foka 3. - Original Message - From: Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 5 September, 2011 2:12:12 PM (GMT+1000) Auto-Detected Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney No Graham, our Foka 4A had the reverse colouring. Mostly white with a burnt orange flash down the fuse. GUW. It was a beautiful thing to fly. I have now located the original identification plate. Build year 1967. Too bad, it would have been a good story. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
