Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence
Yea Gods! 511 pages of gobbledegook! Was it really worth waiting 20 years for! On 2/03/2013 3:23 PM, Christopher Thorpe wrote: Refer to: http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101326 and http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013L00218/Download ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] glider register
Sorry Mark, I don#39;t regularly troll CASA websites so it is welcome news to me. A few years ago I had an issue with a licence for Szeged but used my FAA licence (later found to be not valid) So a licence that is useful overseas would be great. Tom ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] glider register
Here in oz we don#39;t need a licence so don#39;t need a medical. Overseas we need an ICAO licence therefore need the class 2 medical. ( plus extras like ECG for France) If you are not flying overseas then you don#39;t need to apply for one or do the medical. :) Tom___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] glider register
This is all very interesting. The bulletted points one and three seem to me to be a little at odds with each other. It seems to me that i can apply for a casa glider licence on the basis that i hold a CASA pilots licence for aeroplanes. But I cant HAVE a licence unless I have a GFA glider pilots licence and thought that was only available to instructors. I would also like to see a rights and privileges paragraph wherein i was granted by virtue of the license automatic independent operator status and relief of the requirement to get another person to sign for me and expose themselves to huge risk of suit in the event of subsequent accident, after I have rigged and flown my own glider. I certainly do not sign for anyone else's glider because of this. At age 66 I have little enough of an estate to allow it to be so threatened. I know experienced glider pilot similar age to me who resigned an important position inhte GFA for exactly this same threat of suit And further yet at age 66 I have enough gliding experience and life responsibility experience to be allowed by all the other countries in the world where I have flown to be allowed to rig and de-rig my glider without this silly impost, Germany UK France, South Afica, Lithuania. I also have this right at the age of seventeen when i have THEIR licenses! I am more than happy to comply with the GFA procedures and rules, which when assessed by and independent and at more than arms length authoritative body, are considered reasonable. I want a license that allows me as an independent glider pilot the same or more freedoms as that provided to a private pilot license holder. This rule as far as I understand it still leaves the GFA in control of my gliding activities to a far greater extent than any operation i might undergo as a private pilot with a cessna 172, and all I see it doing is granting a license to the comp pilots who need it for overseas Ops. The deal has not gone anywhere near enough for me. I hope someone can assure me that i am in error here. Rgds Ron Sanders On 2 March 2013 09:50, Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org wrote: On 02/03/2013, at 10:33 AM, tom claffey to...@yahoo.com wrote: Halebloodyulia!! It will be nice to join the rest of the world re licence. :) I'm kinda surprised this is news. It's been on CASA's website for ages. Background: http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PC_100935 The conditions are basically that the applicant for a CASA glider pilot certificate must hold a current pilot certificate issued by the GFA or another recognised authority, and must hold a CASA class 2 medical. The certificate will only be valid for as long as you maintain your GFA membership. I wonder how long it'll take before that last condition disappears. It's hard to see a lot of value in it. CASA regulations are supposed to be based on safety cases, and you don't suddenly cease to be a safe pilot as soon as your GFA membership lapses. (given that GFA can't issue ADs anymore, you probably don't even cease to be a safe pilot when your aircraft falls out of the GFA airworthiness system. I'm quite looking forward to seeing some GFA communication about the new limitations on their airworthiness authority) The times, they are a'changin'. Will be interesting to see how GFA changes with them. Regards, - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence
Thank you Page 297-300 of the 511 pages are relevant it becomes effective 5 december 2013 Michael Scutter, Education Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Christopher Thorpe ctho...@bigpond.com To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence Refer to: http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101326 and http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013L00218/Download -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Scutter Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 5:17 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence Mick English responded promptly to me about 3 months ago to say it was bundled in a lot of other CASA legislation and likely to go through between October and December. He's probably sick of glider pilots emailing him every few days! -Matthew On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Michael Scutter michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Yes, I understand that web page!!! Eight months ago I contact mick English, the project person to ask about time lines. He responded watch this space! That page has not been updated since April 2012. Twice I have emailed him asking about timelines and progress without reply. I thought some one know what is happening as a date of implementation of December was mentioned. I'd like to know if the December date is correct? Who is going to issue the licence? I.e where is an update beyond watch this space Michael On 02/03/2013, at 2:29 PM, John Hudson hud...@senet.com.au wrote: CASA document below ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] glider register
Closest I can come is holding a third class FAA medical certificate. The third class medical requires no real physical exercise. An FAA second class medical (for commercial pilot rating) is valid for 12 months, third class (for private rating) 24 months like the biennial flight review. A benefit of having glider and power ratings on one licence: One flight review covers both. Interestingly, the CASA Special Pilot Licence is valid with the third class medical for the FAA Private SEL. They'll probably fix that. Jim From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] glider register Yes, glider pilots seem keen but the organisation meant to represent them is resolutely against licences because their ancient gods passed this wisdom down on tablets of spruce glued together with casein glue. Now if the GFA had been smart the licence may not have included the CASA Class 2 medical. The US glider pilot private certificate doesn't require other than medical self certification. Note also that a FAA medical for PPL for power planes requires a third class medical. Any medicos familiar with the differences? Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Benalla wins bid for 2016/17 World Gliding Comps - Open / 18m / 15m
NEWS ! Benalla has been voted the 2016 / 17 World Gliding Comps for Open / 18m / 15m at a vote in Netherlands yesterday Sat. 1pm their time. Dates are likely to be Jan 2017 results of IGC vote as written by Ritz on her blog, (who is there at the IGC meeting in Netherlands.) see http://soaring.eu/ .. . .SAT 2nd March 5 PM they voted for Eric (Mozer) again (as IGC President) and he seems to run a meeting so efficient, that they finished at 3.30 already! The- board -only , then had a meeting , but the 2013 PLENARY was over. With a smile from ear to ear Vitautas came out of the room. He got 2 WGC’s !!! Benalla got the WGC and Terry couldn’t hide a smile as well, though he mentioned it was all “close” [ it turned out 17 for Benalla and 16 for Lasham!!!] but maybe the smile was because he was choosen as VICE PRESIDENT!!Good on you Terry! .Summary of voting: For implemention this year: 1. Mandatory FLARM at competitions 2. Flight Recorders recalibration interval: 5 years 3. No change to Free/Declared distance record rules For implementation next year: 4. New start height limit rules 5. Start time reporting is deleted. 6. Turnpoint geometry changed in competitions 7. No change to Finish Ring rules Championships: 2016 WGC in Open, 18, 15: Benalla 2016 WGC in Std, Club, 20: Pociunai 2015 WGC in 13.5: Pociunai Awards: Lilienthal: Bob Henderson (NZ) Gehriger: Jaroslav Vach (CZ) Majewska: Maria Bolla (HU) Our new IGC President is Eric Mozer (USA) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence
“.’a’ recreational aviation administration organisation that administers glider activities” That’s interesting. From: Michael Scutter Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:34 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence Thank you Page 297-300 of the 511 pages are relevant it becomes effective 5 december 2013 Michael Scutter, Education Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Christopher Thorpe ctho...@bigpond.com To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence Refer to: http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101326 and http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013L00218/Download -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Scutter Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 5:17 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence Mick English responded promptly to me about 3 months ago to say it was bundled in a lot of other CASA legislation and likely to go through between October and December. He's probably sick of glider pilots emailing him every few days! -Matthew On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Michael Scutter michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Yes, I understand that web page!!! Eight months ago I contact mick English, the project person to ask about time lines. He responded watch this space! That page has not been updated since April 2012. Twice I have emailed him asking about timelines and progress without reply. I thought some one know what is happening as a date of implementation of December was mentioned. I'd like to know if the December date is correct? Who is going to issue the licence? I.e where is an update beyond watch this space Michael On 02/03/2013, at 2:29 PM, John Hudson hud...@senet.com.au wrote: CASA document below ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Coaching issues
Dear all! Please allow me to pass on some experience gained during the recent WIG week (Women in Gliding) at Gawler. The roof of my car was accidently dented by Mrs. Jo Wooler - a fellow glider pilot from the Caboolture Gliding Club in QLD. She lifted the right wing of the ASH 25 and by doing so she hit my car which she parked under the left wing just a few minutes earlier. Fortunately the wing was not damaged. This mishap occurred after she received free of charge coaching for several hours in my ASH 25. She was extremely apologetic for her lapse of concentration and immediately offered compensation. Over the following days she repeatedly assured me to cover the cost of dent removal in full. However, after getting back to Queensland Mrs. Wooler had a remarkable change of attitude. At first she suggested to pay 50% of the repair costs and a week later she e-mailed to say that it was: ...indeed shameful behaviour for me to hold her responsible at all. On request I can make copies of our correspondence available. It makes for very interesting reading and demonstrates how easily humans are inclined to compromise their moral and ethical standards when the impact on their hip pocket becomes a little clearer. Be warned - coaching and trying to help others is not always a rewarding experience! When the total cost of less than a week of coaching is approaching $1500 it can put you off proper!!! Bernard Eckey ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Coaching issues
Hi Bernard, Not much of a thank you for your coaching assistance was it? If there were any witnesses I would think that you insurance company would be best placed to pursue a claim by you. Regards Laurie Hoffman From: Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, 3 March 2013 3:49 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Coaching issues Dear all! Please allow me to pass on some experience gained during the recent WIG week (Women in Gliding) at Gawler. The roof of my car was accidently dented by Mrs. Jo Wooler - a fellow glider pilot from the Caboolture Gliding Club in QLD. She lifted the right wing of the ASH 25 and by doing so she hit my car which she parked under the left wing just a few minutes earlier. Fortunately the wing was not damaged. This mishap occurred after she received free of charge coaching for several hours in my ASH 25. She was extremely apologetic for her lapse of concentration and immediately offered compensation. Over the following days she repeatedly assured me to cover the cost of dent removal in full. However, after getting back to Queensland Mrs. Wooler had a remarkable change of attitude. At first she suggested to pay 50% of the repair costs and a week later she e-mailed to say that it was: “…..indeed shameful behaviour for me to hold her responsible at all.” On requestI can make copies of our correspondence available. It makes for very interesting reading and demonstrates how easily humans are inclined to compromise their moral and ethical standards when the impact on their hip pocket becomes a little clearer. Be warned - coaching and trying to help others is not always a rewarding experience!When the total cost of less than a week of coaching is approaching $1500 it can put you off proper!!! Bernard Eckey ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Coaching issues
I do not think it is very good form to use this list to “out” a fellow GFA member who you are in ‘personal’ conflict with, though it is tempting. Utilisation of your insurer's power of subrogation is the preferable option. From: Laurie Hoffman Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 3:01 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Coaching issues Hi Bernard, Not much of a thank you for your coaching assistance was it? If there were any witnesses I would think that you insurance company would be best placed to pursue a claim by you. Regards Laurie Hoffman From: Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, 3 March 2013 3:49 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Coaching issues Dear all! Please allow me to pass on some experience gained during the recent WIG week (Women in Gliding) at Gawler. The roof of my car was accidently dented by Mrs. Jo Wooler - a fellow glider pilot from the Caboolture Gliding Club in QLD. She lifted the right wing of the ASH 25 and by doing so she hit my car which she parked under the left wing just a few minutes earlier. Fortunately the wing was not damaged. This mishap occurred after she received free of charge coaching for several hours in my ASH 25. She was extremely apologetic for her lapse of concentration and immediately offered compensation. Over the following days she repeatedly assured me to cover the cost of dent removal in full. However, after getting back to Queensland Mrs. Wooler had a remarkable change of attitude. At first she suggested to pay 50% of the repair costs and a week later she e-mailed to say that it was: “…..indeed shameful behaviour for me to hold her responsible at all.” On request I can make copies of our correspondence available. It makes for very interesting reading and demonstrates how easily humans are inclined to compromise their moral and ethical standards when the impact on their hip pocket becomes a little clearer. Be warned - coaching and trying to help others is not always a rewarding experience! When the total cost of less than a week of coaching is approaching $1500 it can put you off proper!!! Bernard Eckey ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Coaching issues
Bernard Certainly a most unfortunate experience and I don't presume to comment on the incident itself. However I am disappointed you implicate the Caboolture Gliding Club by association and am certainly surprised to see you of all people shame someone personally on a national discussion list. John Ashford CFI Caboolture Gliding Club From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Sunday, 3 March 2013 2:49 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Coaching issues Dear all! Please allow me to pass on some experience gained during the recent WIG week (Women in Gliding) at Gawler. The roof of my car was accidently dented by Mrs. Jo Wooler - a fellow glider pilot from the Caboolture Gliding Club in QLD. She lifted the right wing of the ASH 25 and by doing so she hit my car which she parked under the left wing just a few minutes earlier. Fortunately the wing was not damaged. This mishap occurred after she received free of charge coaching for several hours in my ASH 25. She was extremely apologetic for her lapse of concentration and immediately offered compensation. Over the following days she repeatedly assured me to cover the cost of dent removal in full. However, after getting back to Queensland Mrs. Wooler had a remarkable change of attitude. At first she suggested to pay 50% of the repair costs and a week later she e-mailed to say that it was: ...indeed shameful behaviour for me to hold her responsible at all. On request I can make copies of our correspondence available. It makes for very interesting reading and demonstrates how easily humans are inclined to compromise their moral and ethical standards when the impact on their hip pocket becomes a little clearer. Be warned - coaching and trying to help others is not always a rewarding experience! When the total cost of less than a week of coaching is approaching $1500 it can put you off proper!!! Bernard Eckey ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
