Re: [Aus-soaring] See You Flight Analysis
G'day John,I use SeeYou on every flight, such an awesome program for flight analysis. I generally only look at, then compare with the top 10 placers for the day (see attached *.pdf for quickness/ease)..*Start Time (just through soaring spot)- did the winner, or general pack with 900 points start early, mid, late?*Start Height (compared to the other starters)- often you can see then if someone got a wave climb pre-start, or whether you were in the ballpark of a good start height. - such a critical part of the flight, start high and right over your start point - IN an UP cycle. Often these come and go every 15-20mins, so waiting for it is well worth it (unless you think that it's a distance day)*Achieved Speeds- for general interest really, as it's the points that matter!*Average Climb Rate for the day- this a real leveller sometimes, amazing how much better the top guns can pick the better climbs*Percentage time thermalling- generally less than 30% is good- again, compare to the top 10 for the day, you might find that 20% was good for the day, or 35%!?*Alt Loss- a great way to see how quickly you're centring climbs- downside, everyone has different logging rates. If someone flies with 1sec, they'll generally have a poor figure in this section. If you have yours set on 10sec, often your result will look grand.- thankfully most pilots fly off 4sec, so it'll still give you a good indication of how you're going against others.*Tries- Easy way to see how much time you're losing in mucking around in unwanted climbs, that you should've just bumped and moved on. - I record my tries like this: 6 tries, 5.5mins 'wasted'.*Netto (in cruise)- just experimenting with this one now myself. I think it shows what the average air you were flying through was doing. - I'm aiming to have better than 0.7kts or better each day atm*L/D- means nothing without the next part (unless flying in 18m class where all the gliders are identical in performance)*L/D Difference- I fly a Cirrus (36:1); if I get 40:1 for the day, I mark it down as +4- then compare across the 10 top place getters for the day. It'll then show, how I'm going in relative terms*Average Glide- keep in mind glider performance, but how do my glide distances shape up*IAS- Average cruise speed for the day. This might show that you're flying to slow in general between climbs for the day, or about right.*Extra Distance- the extra kilometres covered in deviations.- compare the task length with the straight line distance covered- I use 7% as a number to stay within for the day. 300km task, ok to fly an extra 21km?Of course, the most can be learnt from talking with as many people as possible about the flight at the bar - often this is the best part of the day/gliding!SeeYou,WPPP.s. I just add in the start time on the left, and Netto on the right atm. Comp flight analysis.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document On 22/03/2013, at 3:28 PM, Trezise tre...@ozemail.com.au wrote:I would be very interested to hear the views of pilots who regularly use See You to analyse flight performance; particularly those at the pointy end of the comp fields. Maybe this could be broken down into practice and comps situations. Main issues would be what do you look at, and what relative importance do you place on each aspect. Has this tool provided any tangible benefits to your flying in enabling things to be done differently in the future, or do you just see it as a historical record of things past, and leave it at that.Cheers,John Trezise___Aus-soaring mailing listAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netTo check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics
Good morning all! One of my new ASH 31 Mi customers wants a low cost flight computer that features a backlit moving map display and allows the running of XCSoar software. The screen should be a bit larger than a normal PDA and if possible he would like to integrate Flarm and an IGC approved data logger. Any advice on the latest available low cost options would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] See You Flight Analysis
Thanks Adam ... excellent information. Would make a great article for GA. G. Dale makes the point in his coaching lectures that you can only really work on one or two things at the one time in seeking to improve, and you have to work on the thing which is likely to provide the best return in terms of improved cross-county speed. So analysis should facilitate identification of the weakest link. The ability to access traces for all pilots in a comp from Soaring Spot should be a great benefit, especially in unfamiliar conditions. Maybe each pilot could have a dedicated analyst who could do all this work from the comfort of their own homes ... no need to travel anywhere. At the recent Keepit Regatta, Jacques Graells gave an excellent presentation where he compared two traces from a day's comp at the Nationals. He compared the flight of Tom Claffey (who won the day) with that of Dave Shorter (who was not too far behind). The significant difference was start height where Tom had found wave near the start point, and worked a higher height band for the entire flight. A couple of surprising facts emerged ... Dave's thermalling had been 100% to the right (which surprised him too although someone commented that David Jansen only thermals to the right !). John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics
Check with Malcolm Crampton, \ He has a very good, cheap unit which integrates with a lot of things andf runs LK9000. Peter Champness On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.netwrote: ** Good morning all! One of my new ASH 31 Mi customers wants a low cost flight computer that features a backlit moving map display and allows the running of XCSoar software. The screen should be a bit larger than a normal PDA and if possible he would like to integrate Flarm and an IGC approved data logger. Any advice on the latest available low cost options would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics
Hi Bernard, In our LS8 we use a 302 and Flarm via a K6 Mux unit to integrate Flarm alerts with Vario and GPS data from the 302, and then to a K6 Bluetooth unit. The K6 units work very well together so it's pretty much plug and play. We use a Nexus 7 tablet with Bluetooth running XcSoar, which works very well for those of us who's advancing age mean we need a large screen. The Nexus 7 has built in GPS as well, so you have a portable unit. Nexus 7 can be purchased in JB Hi FI or online, you only need the basic unit with 16GB, which last time I looked was circa $300. Very readable in direct sunlight and providing its charged before flight and connected to glider battery via a USB power connection (we use the one that came with the LX Nano, which we use as a backup logger) it will last a full day easily. The Nexus 7 includes Wifi so you can upload your trace direct from the Nexus without requiring a laptop and you can also download maps, turn points, weather etc. So pretty much independent of other computing needs, especially as SeeYou now runs on Android. Best Regards, Mike On 24/03/2013, at 8:16 AM, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Good morning all! One of my new ASH 31 Mi customers wants a low cost flight computer that features a backlit moving map display and allows the running of XCSoar software. The screen should be a bit larger than a normal PDA and if possible he would like to integrate Flarm and an IGC approved data logger. Any advice on the latest available low cost options would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics
Bernard, your customer is having a laugh! Believe there is no flight computer/vario/display costing more than 3% of the basic price of an ASH31Mi... Without considering trailer or any options, shipping, etc. Jim From: Ross McLean ross...@bigpond.net.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics Isn't that a bit like buying a new Ferrari and fitting it with cheap retread tyres? Tell him to get an LX9000. ROSS From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013 7:16 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics Good morning all! One of my new ASH 31 Mi customers wants a low cost flight computer that features a backlit moving map display and allows the running of XCSoar software. The screen should be a bit larger than a normal PDA and if possible he would like to integrate Flarm and an IGC approved data logger. Any advice on the latest available low cost options would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics
there is a big colour moving map just outside the cockpit.. JR___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics
Top competition pilots tell me you should always navigate by an instrument connected to your primary logger to make sure you actually round the turn, which would rule out the big colour moving map outside. On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:49 PM, JR jma99...@bigpond.net.au wrote: there is a big colour moving map just outside the cockpit.. JR ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
