[Aus-soaring] FW: FYI
Good morning all! If you are interested there is a nice video of the new ASH 30 Mi Open Class 2-seater on this website. http://www.australian-soaring-corowa.com/latest.php Please enjoy! Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: FYI
Great video, Bernard but I noticed that the prop had not been properly retracted and the pilots could not see it. :-( PeterS On 15/02/2014 6:44 AM, Future Aviation wrote: Good morning all! If you are interested there is a nice video of the new ASH 30 Mi Open Class 2-seater on this website. http://www.australian-soaring-corowa.com/latest.php Please enjoy! Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims
Just to provide a contrasting point of view - perhaps we don't need to 'fix' this until we're really in a position to decide that it is broken (and I don't think, right now, that we are). We could start by considering what these records exist for, and hence what they are presumably there to inspire (i.e. to inspire others to do more of the same, surely). ... else why bother recording them at all? If this sort of practice is consistent with the current rules, and opens up the potential to push the sport into a new frontier in record-breaking speeds/distances/times, well, I personally reckon 'good on them, and go for it'. Its not as if any of them are doing it for the money. Congratulations to the two pilots concerned for trying (and succeeding) with something new. It certainly reminds me that my own cross country achievements fall very far behind theirs (having allowed other forms of aviation to gain my attention in preference to soaring for the last few years). Hence their efforts tickle at the notion, for me, that maybe I should go out there and try a bit harder myself. Isn't that sort of inspiration going to be a win (for the sport)? To be clear - I do appreciate, and agree, that pair-flying is likely to generate higher performance results than doing it alone. Some other sports consider this a normal part of the process (e.g. team-based competitive cycling). If anything, perhaps this practice may be a rationale for us to keep a 'leader board' of the top 'x' flights in a given record category rather than merely having a single current 'best' on our (electronic) books - precisely because in a pairs-flying exercise, normally the efforts of the '#2 pilot are probably not recorded at all at this point - and its not as if that '#2' pilot didn't (also) 'do the work' to get all the way around the intended flight path. Last thought - with the exception of this remarkable effort in generating the exact same time by both pilots, who is to say how many other existing records were actually based on team-flying practices, but simply not recorded as such (due to a lack of mechanism with which to record it)? If we don't have a way to record that practice, how do we know that this actually *is* the first time this has been done as a part of a record flight claim? That really brings me back to where I began with this set of thoughts - if its not broken, perhaps it isn't actually something we need to fix. More flying better, right? Regards, Simon On 14 Feb 2014, at 12:40 pm, Peter (PCS3) p...@internode.on.net wrote: As an non-involved-with-records glider pilot, I would have thought that team flying should have its own set of records. As flying as a team, especially in the blue would give them an unfair advantage over a solo pilot . PeterS On 12/02/2014 9:47 AM, Pam wrote: GFA has received the following record claims for the Australian National Standard Class 750km triangle speed record: Category: General Class: Standard Type of record: 750km triangle speed Location: West Wyalong Performance: 134.01 kph Pilot: Matt gage Glider: LS8/15m Date: 8/2/2014 Category: General Sub-class Standard Type of record : Speed over a 750km triangle Course/location : West Wyalong Aerodrome, NSW ( Australia ) - TP1`- Conargo and return Performance : 134.01 km/hr Pilot : Allan Barnes Glider : LS8/15mRegistration: VH-NSZ Date : 08 Feb 2014 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: FYI
Hi Peter Please let me correct you on that. For engine cooling purposes the prop remains in a semi reclined position for a short while. It fully retracts automatically when the temperature drops to a preset value. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter (PCS3) Sent: Saturday, 15 February 2014 7:37 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: FYI Great video, Bernard but I noticed that the prop had not been properly retracted and the pilots could not see it. :-( PeterS On 15/02/2014 6:44 AM, Future Aviation wrote: Good morning all! If you are interested there is a nice video of the new ASH 30 Mi Open Class 2-seater on this website. http://www.australian-soaring-corowa.com/latest.php Please enjoy! Bernard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims
Well said Simon, It is certainly true that we have no information as to how much assistance has been given to any other pilot who holds an exiting record, at any level. One of the problems with records is that if you change the rules under which they are flown you effectively invalidate all existing records in that category because they were not flown under the same conditions. The rules for records are set down in the FAI Sporting Code, and can only be changed at international level. It's not a decision we can take in Australia. Banning external help and information is a pretty futile exercise these days. Radios, phones, tablets, flarms, GPS, transponders, etc etc. You don't need to be wingtip to wingtip, or even in visual range, to assist another glider. If we don't know everything there is to be known, it is only the depth of our wallets and the capacity of batteries that prevents it. Gliding is no longer a sport conducted individually in private, and never will be again. Congrats to Matt and Allan. And I look forward to Simon's imminent return to our sport :) Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 15/02/2014 08:28, Simon Hackett wrote: Just to provide a contrasting point of view - perhaps we don't need to 'fix' this until we're really in a position to decide that it is broken (and I don't think, right now, that we are). We could start by considering what these records exist for, and hence what they are presumably there to inspire (i.e. to inspire others to do more of the same, surely). ... else why bother recording them at all? If this sort of practice is consistent with the current rules, and opens up the potential to push the sport into a new frontier in record-breaking speeds/distances/times, well, I personally reckon 'good on them, and go for it'. Its not as if any of them are doing it for the money. Congratulations to the two pilots concerned for trying (and succeeding) with something new. It certainly reminds me that my own cross country achievements fall very far behind theirs (having allowed other forms of aviation to gain my attention in preference to soaring for the last few years). Hence their efforts tickle at the notion, for me, that maybe I should go out there and try a bit harder myself. Isn't that sort of inspiration going to be a win (for the sport)? To be clear - I do appreciate, and agree, that pair-flying is likely to generate higher performance results than doing it alone. Some other sports consider this a normal part of the process (e.g. team-based competitive cycling). If anything, perhaps this practice may be a rationale for us to keep a 'leader board' of the top 'x' flights in a given record category rather than merely having a single current 'best' on our (electronic) books - precisely because in a pairs-flying exercise, normally the efforts of the '#2 pilot are probably not recorded at all at this point - and its not as if that '#2' pilot didn't (also) 'do the work' to get all the way around the intended flight path. Last thought - with the exception of this remarkable effort in generating the exact same time by both pilots, who is to say how many other existing records were actually based on team-flying practices, but simply not recorded as such (due to a lack of mechanism with which to record it)? If we don't have a way to record that practice, how do we know that this actually *is* the first time this has been done as a part of a record flight claim? That really brings me back to where I began with this set of thoughts - if its not broken, perhaps it isn't actually something we need to fix. More flying better, right? Regards, Simon On 14 Feb 2014, at 12:40 pm, Peter (PCS3) p...@internode.on.net mailto:p...@internode.on.net wrote: As an non-involved-with-records glider pilot, I would have thought that team flying should have its own set of records. As flying as a team, especially in the blue would give them an unfair advantage over a solo pilot . PeterS On 12/02/2014 9:47 AM, Pam wrote: GFA has received the following record claims for the Australian National Standard Class 750km triangle speed record: Category: General Class:Standard Type of record:750km triangle speed Location:West Wyalong Performance:134.01 kph Pilot:Matt gage Glider:LS8/15m Date:8/2/2014 Category: General Sub-classStandard Type of record : Speed over a 750km triangle Course/location : West Wyalong Aerodrome, NSW ( Australia ) - TP1`- Conargo and return Performance :134.01km/hr Pilot : Allan Barnes Glider : LS8/15mRegistration:VH-NSZ Date : 08 Feb 2014 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims
At 11:14 AM 15/02/2014, you wrote: Gliding is no longer a sport conducted individually in private, and never will be again. Well, contests have obviously never been and records maybe not now but self launching motorgliders put the lie to your assertion. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] The nationals: a proposal
At 05:46 PM 14/02/2014, you wrote: I agree completely with Tim. We should all use the same rules worldwide. So the only other question that needs answering is when is the rest of the world going to change to our well thought out multiple allocated start points and 3km finish circles. And while they are changing their rules, they can mandate that all pilots use low tow as well. Can you still be World Champion if you declare a Lay day 48 hrs in advance? And they should all mandate two signatures after rigging. This was actually proposed in the US about 12 years ago after a tragic mishap but no more was heard after someone pointed out that nobody in his or her right mind would sign. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA CAGIT
Bordertown, Murray Bridge then Whyalla. Long way back to NSW From: Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 2:51 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA CAGIT It is now in Ararat: Grampians gliding club Members Trevor Hancock and Darren Ford, supported by retrieve driver Barry Ford claiming the NSWGA CAGIT from Ian Cohn, Vice President of MBGC, on Saturday 8th of February having flown around 400km to Mt Beauty from Ararat. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of jar...@optusnet.com.au Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2014 9:37 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA CAGIT Bacchus Mars (Geelong Gliding Club) after taking it from Raywood: http://www.bendigogliding.org.au/Main/ClubNews Regards Jarek - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:39:51 +1100 Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA CAGIT Can anybody please tell me where the NSWGA's Come And Get It Trophy is right now? Thanks Email sent using Optus Webmail ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringwlEmoticon-smile[1].png___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] The nationals: a proposal
My 20c worth is I think I prefer multiple start points and about half my comp flying was in the the VNE 1000m start line which was bordering on dangerous. As for finishing I really like the 2 or 3 km circle at say 1000ft. I have been at a German comps years ago and they had well over 100 gliders and all finishes were 3km out at 300 m I seem to remember. They also had a well ordered landing procedures and only one main strip. I was impressed. I think the last out return was set in nationals about 1970 and cats cradles continued on for about another 10years., With new tasks being set with haste on the grid this conflicting directions must be thought about usually is. . Ian mcphee On 15/02/2014 3:19 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 05:46 PM 14/02/2014, you wrote: I agree completely with Tim. We should all use the same rules worldwide. So the only other question that needs answering is when is the rest of the world going to change to our well thought out multiple allocated start points and 3km finish circles. And while they are changing their rules, they can mandate that all pilots use low tow as well. Can you still be World Champion if you declare a Lay day 48 hrs in advance? And they should all mandate two signatures after rigging. This was actually proposed in the US about 12 years ago after a tragic mishap but no more was heard after someone pointed out that nobody in his or her right mind would sign. Mike *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 Stats
Hi, I've compiled some stats for the Horsham Week 2014 competition that finished on Saturday, 8/02/2014. http://www.horshamweek.org.au/ Regards Jarek Data from the Soaring Spot site: http://www.soaringspot.com/hsm2014/ Kilometres Flown and Speeds are non-handicapped. Calculated for non-zero scores only. Speeds calculated for finishers only. Averages per pilot across all tasks. - Six Competition Days - Total Kilometres flown in all classes: 55,809.30 km Open / 18M Class: - Kilometres Flown: 15,365 km - Max Distance Flown: 601.10 km - Average Distance Flown: 374.75 km - Max Task Speed: 166.30 km / h - Average Task Speed: 118.91 km /h 15M/ Standard Class: - Kilometres Flown: 24,536 km - Max Distance Flown: 565.80 km - Average Distance Flown: 340.77 km - Max Task Speed: 131.00 km / h - Average Task Speed: 99.82 km /h Club Class: - Kilometres Flown: 19,908.30 km - Max Distance Flown: 421.60 km - Average Distance Flown: 294.59 km - Max Task Speed: 131.00 km / h - Average Task Speed: 99.90 km /h ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
