Re: [Aus-soaring] Polars for Arcus and duo Discus
Hi, Try the manual on Geelong GC website, not a best copy, but the polar is quite legible: http://ggc.org.au/index.php/documents-and-forms/aircraft/flight-manuals (search for polar or page 44). Regards Jarek - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To:Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent:Mon, 03 Aug 2015 09:59:38 +1000 Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Polars for Arcus and duo Discus The Duo manual has a polar allegedly the result of an Idaflieg meeting. My copy of the page says 19xx. It isn't a very good copy. Mike At 08:30 PM 2/08/2015, you wrote: Does anyone know where I can get credible polars curve data for the Duo Discus and the Arcus? Not points, the curve. thanks  ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring [1] BORGELT INSTRUMENTS - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia - Email sent using Optus Webmail Links: -- [1] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Slingsby Skylark gliders in Australia
Or: http://australianglidingmuseum.org.au/ Regards Jarek - Original Message - From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: Sent: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:33:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Slingsby Skylark gliders in Australia How about: http://victoriancollections.net.au/items/5108825f2162ef0e303871d5 [1] http://www.airport-data.com/manuf/Slingsby:8.html [2] On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Dion Weston dwes...@bigpond.com [3] wrote: Does anyone on this list know whether any of the following gliders were ever operational in Australia and if so who I might contact to obtain specific details about them? T.43 Skylark 3B T.43 Skylark 3F Slingsby T.53B Dion Weston Mb +61 (408) 859-267 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [4] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring [5] - Email sent using Optus Webmail Links: -- [1] http://victoriancollections.net.au/items/5108825f2162ef0e303871d5 [2] http://www.airport-data.com/manuf/Slingsby:8.html [3] mailto:dwes...@bigpond.com [4] mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net [5] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public.
The competition website, Jantar Cup 2014 (Polish only): http://jantarcup.pl/ also talks about a person seriously injured on the ground by falling glider debris. Regards Jarek From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Monday, 2 June 2014 6:52 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/172564,Pilot-killed-in-glider-tournament ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014 Stats
Hi, I've compiled some stats for the Horsham Week 2014 competition that finished on Saturday, 8/02/2014. http://www.horshamweek.org.au/ Regards Jarek Data from the Soaring Spot site: http://www.soaringspot.com/hsm2014/ Kilometres Flown and Speeds are non-handicapped. Calculated for non-zero scores only. Speeds calculated for finishers only. Averages per pilot across all tasks. - Six Competition Days - Total Kilometres flown in all classes: 55,809.30 km Open / 18M Class: - Kilometres Flown: 15,365 km - Max Distance Flown: 601.10 km - Average Distance Flown: 374.75 km - Max Task Speed: 166.30 km / h - Average Task Speed: 118.91 km /h 15M/ Standard Class: - Kilometres Flown: 24,536 km - Max Distance Flown: 565.80 km - Average Distance Flown: 340.77 km - Max Task Speed: 131.00 km / h - Average Task Speed: 99.82 km /h Club Class: - Kilometres Flown: 19,908.30 km - Max Distance Flown: 421.60 km - Average Distance Flown: 294.59 km - Max Task Speed: 131.00 km / h - Average Task Speed: 99.90 km /h ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] PIK 20B - looking for the controls connection access hatch
Hi, I've lost my PIKs controls connections access hatch (see the picture). https://picasaweb.google.com/100231659578751055445/LostHatch#597833627409290 7842 https://picasaweb.google.com/100231659578751055445/LostHatch#597834174123046 5058 Some PIKs also have other verities of the hatch: square on the top of the fuselage and oval on the top of the fuselage. The one I am looking for is offset to the left. Please contact me off the list if you have a spare hatch and willing to part with it. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
Hi, The Horsham Week 2014 competition concluded on Saturday. This was the 48th edition of this event. Six days out of possible eight were flown with some spectacular weather conditions on some days. On Saturday, Craig Vinall won the day in the Open / 18M class with the raw speed of 166.3 km/h over a 500km task. Overall the winners are: - Open / 18M - Craig Vinall - 15M / Standard - Gary Stevenson - Club: Noel Vagg Duncan Robertson More info on the competition website: http://horshamweek.org.au and tasks and results on the Soaring Spot: http://www.soaringspot.com/hsm2014/ Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Cambridge 20 problem
Hi, I've already emailed Ian McPhee about this but perhaps someone has an idea what could be the problem. - No trace in the Cambridge recorder. - The PDA connected to the Cambridge recorded the flight (WinPilot) but with the date of 23/01/1994. - In flight, I experienced some strange final glide and L/D required calculation by WinPilot. - The barogram when loaded to SeeYou appears as a series of up-and-downs of about 200+ ft. vertical range: http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=3375473 (the flight is invalid because I manually changed the HFDTE record to the actual flight date) - HFFXA100 record - fix accuracy is 100m, should it be better than this? I've checked the internal battery voltage, Cambridge Aero Explorer reports 3.0V. I've been using this instrument for a few years but never seen anything like this. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] OLC triangles
Hi Gary, There is a chance that you did not close the triangle: http://static.onlinecontest.org/files/rules/rules_olc_plus_en_120426.pdf 4.3.2 FAI OLC Course (based on the FAI) If possible, three turn points are chosen on the recorded, closed flight path such that they define an FAI triangle with the greatest possible circumference, whereby - the shortest leg must be at least 28% of the FAI distance - if the FAI distance is 500 km or more, the shortest leg must be at least 25% and the longest leg at most 45% of the FAI distance. 3/3 The departure point can be between two turn points of the triangle. The flight path is considered to be closed if the finish point is within 1 km of the start point, and the departure altitude is not more that 1000 m above the finish altitude. (Tip: If an FAI triangle is planned, a departure point should be defined before the flight, which can then be approached on the return flight.) Regards Jarek From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of gstev...@bigpond.com Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013 10:35 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] OLC triangles Hi All, On several flights I have done a flight that seems (by inspection), to includes a nice (FAI), triangle, and indeed shows up on the SeeYou site as a substantial - say 200 - 400 km - FAI triangle, and yet the OLC site manages to find a max FAI triangle of about 6 km or so for this very same flight! Am I missing something here? Can anybody explain the mechanics of this to me? Is there a glitch on the OLC site? Gary ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Vertica Sports V2
The Russians kept using it until mid 50' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-1_%28missile%29 Note this :) The R-1's insulated electrical wiring attracted vermin. In one January 1953 incident, thousands of flood-displaced mice disabled many rockets by eating the insulation, requiring hundreds of cats and repairmen. Jarek Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: I thought that the V2 went out of fashion in April 1945. Untitled Document Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 5/10/2012 08:03, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 10:29 PM 4/10/2012, you wrote: If you hear of anyone looking for a V2 , I might be cheaper than the other guy. Cheers Rod Don't be too sure of that. I'm mainly interested in having this device as an adjunct to our variometer systems that support such. Anyway, I have a source of the same device but at a lower price. Mike *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 /www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] What instruments to put into a new panel?
Hi, I am considering purchasing a Dell Streak. Could you please share your opinions about this device, reliability, tolerance to temperature etc... Thanks Jarek Paul Bart pb2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike Do you have a link to the V1 display? Personally I love the Dell Streak, but unfortunately it stopped working, not sure if I can get it repaired yet. The transflective display is the way to go, but not many manufacturers seem to use it. Cheers Paul On 26 April 2012 09:10, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.comwrote: At 08:35 PM 25/04/2012, you wrote: Or you can use XCSoar and configure all those items to your own preference :-) Scott There is a new PNA device available shortly called a V1. Essentially the same as the new Oudie with the same screen (you can get your old Oudie upgraded). 950 nits brightness and non glare coating so the thing is sunlight readable. About $300. If SeeYou Mobile is your thing, buy a new Oudie. That or a V1 make custom hardware very questionable on any price/performance comparison. If you want the same sort of device able to run any of the glide computer software then get a V1 and run your choice of WinPilot, XCSoar or LK8000 or SeeYou Mobile. I've got a couple on order for me and Ron. The 5Dell Streak isn't in production and the 7devices are too large for comfortable use in glider cockpits. There certainly is a problem with those in the US where Smartphones are banned in contests because the new ones can be used for instrument flight in cloud and to collect data for outside help. All of the glide computer software will converge. Any really good ideas will be requested by users for their particular software and as there is an active development group for XCSoar, Paolo is actively developing LK8000 and Jerry sells WinPilot and has a commercial interest in upgrading it, I doubt any of these really useful these features will be missing from those programs for very long. There is extra information available on all these programs if they receive not just GPS data but air data and settings like MacCready, bugs and ballast from the vario system. This also makes operating the whole system easier as these only require changing in one place then. AFAIK our B50 was the first vario that implemented this back in 1995 when I realised that the vario and glide computer only required connection by a simple well defined serial data stream. We have carried this over to the B500 and now B800 and have distributed a B800 simulator (it is also on our website now) that runs on Windows PCs to help developers of glide computers. The B800 main unit is also capable of accepting MacCready, bugs and ballast from the glide computer program so hopefully, soon, this will be implemented in the major glider computer programs. Getting hung up on vario average data etc is probably a mistake. The real question always is should I leave now and try for something better? Of course there's always that little voice saying are you feeling lucky? Well are ya, punk? :-) We've tried to make that decision as easy as possible in the averager display in both the B700 and B800. Look it up. No need to clutter the glide computer display with this. We're also working on a new Total Energy system that is insensitive to horizontal gusts and should be very easy to install with little to no tuning. A test flight a few weeks ago showed that our sensor package is up to the job. You will likely want to blend Flarm data with the data stream for display on the PNA and there are various devices on the market to do this including ours. BTW there's been another mid air in Europe between Flarm equipped gliders where the Flarms allegedly were working. Fortunately the damage was relatively minor (loss of 0.5m of wingtip and hole in D nose of wing of other glider) and there were no physical injuries and both pilots landed safely. Can't say any more. Mike ** ** *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784** **overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784** **: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ...
Most dogs, including mine, are absolutely terrified by hot air balloons. has that ever been raised as an argument to stop them flying over the Melbourne suburbia? Regards Jarek tom claffey to...@yahoo.com wrote: Free range pigs and ostriches are a problem as well. Tom From: Terry Neumann tfneum...@internode.on.net To: Aus Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, 25 March 2012 7:35 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] overflying property ... I'm not sure what Terry's neighbour was growing... or perhaps he is the president of the local nudist club... OK, I had better explain the circumstances of the question regarding the right to fly over someone's property ... Firstly, he wasn't a neighbour, but a friend who lived about 20 km away.   It transpires that he had been called over by a hobby farmer friend a few kilometres away to assist him/her to restrain and treat a horse which had injured itself against a fence after apparently being spooked by a glider flying overhead, allegedly quite low. Both horse and owner were seriously upset.  Hence the question as to what right they (the pilot and his glider) had to be there.   I thought back to the day in question; it was during our then annual regatta and one of the tasks would have been over that area. It seemed that a pilot had apparently thermalled away from a low point and more potential trouble than he could ever have known about at the time.  So, yes, the question may be a no-brainer from our point of view, but if an investigative reporter from one of the current affair slush shows got hold of a situation like this, it's not hard to see how we could be painted.  A letter of complaint in the local paper would have been equally damaging to our how the public sees us, because they won't necessarily see things in the way that we do. My friend's perceptions of gliders in paddocks had been pre-conditioned somewhat by an somewhat earlier outlanding in one of his paddocks in a standing crop where the retrieve crew drove in and got the aircraft - he didn't find out about it until a few days later when he discovered the damage and started asking questions.  Yes, someone had seen a glider in there a few days earlier. So quite naturally, he complained to the first glider pilot he knows.  And you've probably worked out who that is     So thanks Bernie for digging out Paul Matthew's legal opinion.  It does clarify the situation up to a point.  However if it ever got to the point of calling in the police, you can imagine what happens in any subsequent outlanding in that area.   I can only assert at this point that it's essential for us to be absolutely scrupulous in how we conduct ourselves after landing out, and during the subsequent retrieval.  None of these possible complications should in anyway defer a decision to give it away and make a safe circuit and landing in a suitable paddock when it becomes necessary.  But please be aware of how the owners might be feeling about your presence, and be prepared to go the distance in accommodating whatever you encounter in their reactions.   Times have changed in the country and people are much more aware of and more sensitive about legal matters than they once used to be.  That's why I see a few paddock gates with locks on them these days. Charm and diplomacy are valuable things to pack in your outlanding kit.  Most people are totally reasonable, some are even honoured that you've chosen their paddock.  But our sport is on display and it's important to paint it in the best possible context, because the next pilot's reception will be preconditioned by how you managed your visit.        And Rob, you'll be relived to know that the farmer concerned, like myself, has retired from the land.  He's gone to live in the suburbs just a few kilometres downwind from the threshold of the 23 runway at Gawler. Regards, TN ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2012
The Horsham Week 2012 competition was finished on Saturday, 11th of Feb. Seven out of eight days have been flown in strong conditions. The winners: - Open Class: Tony Tabart - 15M Class: Bruce Cowan - Standard Class: John Orton - Club Class: June Nakamura Chris Thorpe The result on Soaring Spot: http://www.soaringspot.com/hwk2012/results/ Stories, pictures etc. (there are more to come) on the competition website: http://www.horshamweek.org.au/ Regards Jarek___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Horsham - old photos
Hi, I digitized a collection of photos by Jan Ward, the the Wimmera Mail Times photographer. They all come from the Horsham Flying Club archive and cover the period of 1972 to 1995. http://horshamweek.org.au/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=427:ian-wards-black-and-white-collectioncatid=12:galleriesItemid=17 Regards Jarek___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney / Waikerie 74
Hi, When I started gliding in 1974, Foka was still a glider a young pilot could only dream about. Eventually I did my 500km diamond in one of them, SP-2414, downwind run across Poland, from one boarder to another, east to west, landing next to a Soviet military airfield that did not exist on the map. It was a beautiful glider to fly with very unique flat body position in the cockpit. With the spoilers fully extended, one could dive vertically, standing on the rudder pedals, looking down to the ground. Really great memories. ... and from the same source a short film about the Waikerie 74 championships. http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-30,ile-10,samolot-110.html Few years later, in Leszno, I converted to my first composite glider, it was the Jantar Standard 1, SW you can see in the movie. The Open Jantars got sold after the championships by the Polish team, one of them, is the GOD and it has its home in Bacchus Marsh. Regards Jarek Paul Mander p...@mander.net.au wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Pictorial Placards
The old Geelong Gliding Club website: http://www.gliding-in-melbourne.org/resource.htm Regards Jarek John Hudson hud...@senet.com.au wrote: Any one know a supplier of good quality pictorial placards for sailplanes (Trim, U/Carriage, Tow Release, Water Dump, Canopy open / Closed / Jetticson, Rudder Pedal Adjustment, seat adjustment, etc Best wishes John Hudson Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Jantar Standard 2 Manuals ??
If you type jantar std manual into Google, it will bring up the page from The Geelong Gliding Club: http://www.gliding-in-melbourne.org/new/content/view/133/101/ You can download the flight manual from there. Regards Jarek From: bjo...@pipecomp.com.au Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 7:21 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Jantar Standard 2 Manuals ?? Hello all, Does anyone have some electronic copies of the flight, Service manual and a spare parts manual if one exists ?? I have been trolling the net, there are some hits but require you to submit so much information and your first born to download. Please let me know Off list please. Regards Ben ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Croatian Times
A picture and a video from this accident http://kontakt24.tvn.pl/temat,spadl-szybowiec-uszkodzone-auto-zerwana-linia-energetyczna,114898.html Regards Jarek Christopher Mc Donnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com wrote: 21. 06. 11. - 13:00 Park And Glide croatiantimes.com Baffled driver Kasia Barabasz is trying to unravel what could be one of the world's most complicated insurance claims - after a glider set fire to her house and landed on her car. First bungling pilot Tomasz Socha, 34, flew through power lines sparking a blaze at her house in Bielsko-Biala, Poland. Then I heard the most tremendous crash outside and as I was running away from the fire I saw the plane had hit a tree and landed on my car, said Kasia, 45. I don't know where to start with the insurance paperwork. It's going to take years to settle, she added. Hundreds of homes were blacked out by the crash, say police. Spokesman Elvira Jurasz said: The pilot was taken to hospital. He's a bit battered but nothing life threatening. He was very lucky.' Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cloud flying, Wave flying, Artificial horizons, and such like instruments in gliders
Hi, I think cloud flying was disallowed in comps after the World Comps in Vrsac, 1972 as a result of a mid-air in cloud and a fatality. This was the last world comps where clouds flying was allowed. One interesting aspect of this is that until about that time, gliders were designed (in thing it was mandated by OSTIV, was it part of the standard class specification?) so that they would not exceed VNE with fully extended airbrakes. This allowed the pilot who lost it in the cloud just open the airbrakes and let go of controls to survive the experience in one piece. To my knowledge the last glider designed according to that specification (at least in Poland) was Cobra 15. The modern slippery ships do not provide this luxury, if you loose spatial awareness in a cloud, the likelihood of overstressing the aircraft or even breaking it is considerable. Full opened airbrakes will not help. As for my personal experience, I was formally trained in cloud flying in Poland. It was done with turn and bank indicator. First in a two seater, then solo in clouds. The endorsement was a prerequisite for attempting mountain wave flying. Actual cloud flying was very rare (it was already disallowed on comps) and required a CFI permission for a specific flight. Typically it would have been granted for a 3000m or 5000m height gain in the flat country when the weather was right. I would never, ever attempt getting into a cloud if: - at the very least I have functioning turn and bank indicator - I have practiced the skill recently and feel confident I can handle flying blind I think that it is very dangerous to believe that one can fly blind with the compass alone. Regards Jarek gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi All, I would very much like to know the process/history on how 'cloud flying came to be banned for gliders (in Australia), and when. I am somewhat surprised that as an ex British Colony - read we used to do what the Brits did even long after Federation - and cloud flying in gliders is, and has been for many years, permitted in the UK why we in Australia went down a different path. How many pilots on this list have Bohli and similar compasses fitted to their glider and feel they are competent to use them as a blind flying aid? What are the experiences of members, who when flying wave, had the Fohn Gap close under them. There must be many a tale to be told here? Regards, Gary ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Hi, This definitely correct as long as both the person who is responsible for rigging the glider and and the one that does second inspection has some knowledge / experience with the glider in question. In this instance, according to the report, no one involved in rigging the Foka before the accident, had any experience to speak of with this aircraft type. The other important aspect of the accident is the role of a modified, unauthorized rigging tool. Had the original non-cranked T-wrench was used, they would not be able to engage the lower bevel bolt partially using the hand force alone. Regards Jarek It is absolutely clear that a second inspection will significantly reduce the risk of a mistake. John Parncutt From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Vincent Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 5:31 PM To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident Pam, I totally support your sentiments. Additionally, on several occasions I have deliberately left a rigging item undone in full view and on three occasions the error was not discovered by the second inspector who I might add were all pilots with many years experience. They all would have signed off the DI if I hadn't then intervened. From my viewpoint there is no substitute for doing the inspection properly yourself and taking full and sole responsibility for that. Regards, Geoff V At 04:56 PM 16/05/2011, Pam Kurstjens wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_002E_01CC13EA.39BBB660 Content-Language: en-au Anyone who countersigns somebody else's rigging is nuts. Unless they have observed and checked it every inch of the way, fully understand the glider type they are signing off for, AND are willing to accept liability. Why do we expose our fellow glider pilots to this enormous burden of responsibility? Pam From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Gage Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 2:01 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident Rolf, in this I agree with Mike - there is no way that a duplicate control check (or even DI) would have found the problem. Sadly, such a person would have spent months in court defending themselves, costing them many thousands with no prospect of any insurance helping them. In practice, the UK do have a 2nd inspection - just with no signature. The accident report even says this was done ! Is it the check that improves safety or the signature On 16/05/2011, at 13:35 , rolf a. buelter wrote: Yea, way more important to cover your ass against litigation then document a second chance to get it right! Allays your miserable Mr. Buelter Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:54:25 +1000 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident Lots of lessons in the Foka crash. One big one is how fortunate it was the BGA and there was no second sigmnature on the DI after rigging. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
Just out of interest. Are airline pilots allowed listening to music while
flying?
Jarek
Matthew Gage m...@knightschallenge.com wrote:
Fully agree flying has to be fun, and different people enjoy different
things. Personally, I don't enjoy aerobatics at all, and any instructor
who insists on doing them with me on a check flight is going to get an
ear full, along with the CFI ! I don't particularly enjoy aimless
wandering about near the airfield either.
I find any man or machine made noise a distraction, so no music, the
radio gets tuned to OFF if it gets busy and the vario volume is as low
as I can set it and still hear something, with all down tones disabled,
and up signalled in cruise only if the netto is greater than the current
McCready setting.
Providing it doesn't distract from the fundamentals of safe flight, then
do what you want - including listening to music.
Fly safe and have fun.
Matt
On 15/04/2011, at 10:01 , Grant Davies wrote:
Iâm with you Al,
At our club our flying is generally local and we are not full on comp
orientated.
I fly for the enjoyment of it and I like music so I find flying with
music a heightened experience.
I canât think of anything better than bobbing around the clouds
listening to Jeff Buckley crooning in the background.
I also see the point that some serious pilots may see music as a
distraction and understand their comments in relation to its
appropriateness.
Horses for courses.
Kindest Regards
Grant Davies
m. 0419 818 315
f. 07 41 54 14 36
e. gr...@davies.id.au
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Al
Borowski
Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2011 11:26 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Music while flying?
I always thought that the whole point of gliding was to have fun - and
if playing music increases your enjoyment, and doesn't compromise
safety, then why not?
Cheers,
Al
On 14 April 2011 23:07, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote:
Hi Patch All,
I am with you bro!
But, perhaps for totally different reasons???
Aviators seem to be, in the main, a very pragmatic bunch. Glider
pilots, as a sub-group, also seem to fit this mould. The question Where
are the poets of flight? has been discussed on this forum in the past.
As a matter of interest, try Goggling Joseph C Lincoln Award to see
one excellent attempt to address the balance (although that is not
exactly what the stated goals of the award are about).
To get to the point, I pose the following question Why in God's
name would you carry, and listen to, canned music whilst gliding? Each
time you take a launch, you are potentially putting yourself in a
special position where you can resonate with the whole universe - Mind,
Body, Soul, as one. As such, the canned music is, at best, just
distracting noise.
Think about it!
Especially if you have not been there!
But I suspect, you all know exactly what I am talking about.!
{From a competition pilot's view (a subset group that does not exclude
the above principle- quite the reverse in fact - if you are not at one
with the environment - you will not win), Tom Claffey's post on the
subject is relevant - Tom gives no reasons. Tom would you care to
expound on your post, for the uninformed?}
Regards,
Gary
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow?
I do not think this is quite in agreement with the Instructor's Handbook . The relevant paragraph in the Instructor's Handbook reads: If intending to carry out an aerotow in the high or the low tow position, the separation and climb-away stages are IDENTICAL. and later If intending to carry out a low tow, maintain station ABOVE the slipstream (JM: by definition this is high tow), as the tug leaves the ground. When the tug is positively in a climb, move the glider gently positively DOWN through the turbulence behind the tug until once again in smooth air. The glider is now in low tow position. This contradicts the common practice of hugging the ground and being pulled up by the tug without the transition phase from high to low tow position as described above. In my opinion it is quite self evident that it if is far safer for the glider pilot to be a few meters higher if the rope breaks at the critical moment soon after the separation when the tug is not yet fully established in a climb, than in low tow, especially on small strips and / or when one is behind a low powered tug. Regards Jarek -- From: John Parncutt jparn...@bigpond.net.au Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 7:13 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow? The GFA has clearly prescribed that launching will be in low tow, this decision was made more than twenty years ago following several fatal accidents which occurred during the transition from low to high tow prior to release. All clubs should be training this. Some years ago we discovered some pilots in our club had formed the opinion that it was safer for them to transition to high tow immediately after takeoff especially with short strips in order to give them more options in the event of an early rope break. This has particular hazards for the tow pilot who now finds at low altitude he/she has to apply ever increasing back stick in order to compensate for the upward load on their tail. The chances of a rope break in a properly maintained environment are very small, after 35 years of flying I had my first ever (a weak link failure) only a couple of weeks ago when my student managed to get a loop in the rope during a hang up procedure. Yes the rope came back to the glider and I made the decision to release, and we unfortunately lost the rope. John Parncutt -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2011 5:23 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow? High tow all the way, so much easier - and definitely gives you more options in the early stages of the tow. WPP -Original Message- From: Peter F Bradshaw Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:47 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Where to sit on tow? Hi; All this talk about rope breaks raises another question. When I'm on tow I often look up at the weak link and shackles at the other end and ask myself, Do I want all that stuff in the cockpit with me? The answer is no so I sit slightly to the left of center - which also helps with the torque reaction on the tug. Does anybody else do this or is it only me? Cheers -- Peter F Bradshaw: http://www.exadios.com (public keys avaliable there). Personal site: http://personal.exadios.com I love truth, and the way the government still uses it occasionally to keep us guessing. - Sam Kekovich. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Horsham Week
Hi, The annual Horsham Week competition has been in progress since last Saturday. So far one day has been flown. For more information: a daily blog, results, pictures etc., please visit the competition website: http://www.horshamweek.org.au/ Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bass Straight Roll Cloud (with lightning?)
I think I published this in the past, a cold front roll cloud over Bacchus Marsh in March 2009: Panoramic view: http://www.pbase.com/jarekm/image/110475290/original Other photos: http://www.pbase.com/jarekm/image/110182007 http://www.pbase.com/jarekm/image/110179631 Regards Jarek Kevin Rodda brisgl...@gmail.com wrote: Have experienced first hand Morning Glory roll clouds at Burketown in Sep'95 ... http://www.glidingcaboolture.org.au/95MG%20slide%20show%2001.htm and also a roll cloud at Caboolture in Aug'09 where the characteristics of the airmass as it passed over the airfield was identical to that of a Carpentaria wave in transit (on the ground as it passed over, it felt like someone had turned off the lights and opened the fridge door) ... http://www.glidingcaboolture.org.au/Morning%20Glory%20at%20YCAB%2008Aug09 .htm have also viewed many photos and read many stories on the web but have not (before the Bass Straight pic) seen lightning with a Morning Glory type roll cloud. Kevin Rodda ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] WinPilot / airspace file for Benalla 2011 Nationals
[Aus-soaring] WinPilot / airspace file for Benalla 2011 NationalsThanks Tim, AC GSEC syntax works, no more WinPilot errors. The result is that all airspace with LL FL120 limit is now shaded pink. Was that the indented effect? Regards Jarek From: Tim Shirley Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:15 AM To: jar...@optusnet.com.au ; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] WinPilot / airspace file for Benalla 2011 Nationals Hi Jarek, There appears to be an error in the conversion programs being used by the Worldwide Turnpoint Exchange site. I will work with them on a correction and will advise pilots through the competition website. In the meantime if you replace all occurrences of AC Z with AC GSEC it might just work J Cheers Tim se sono rose, fioriranno From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 09:49 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] WinPilot / airspace file for Benalla 2011 Nationals Hi, Has anyone tried the OpenAir airspace file for the Banalla 2011 Nationals? http://soaringweb.org/TP/Benalla_restricted/files.html When I load it to my WinPilot 9.11, I get the User Airspace Syntax Error: AC Z. The file contains several AC Z statements while the OpenAir specification does not seem to provide for AC Z syntax e.g.: http://kflog.org/fileadmin/user_upload/cumulus_help/en/cumulus-maps.html * A = AirA * B = AirB * C = AirC * D = AirD * E = AirE * F = AirF * GP = Restricted * R = Restricted * TRA = Restricted * Q = Danger * CTR = ControlD * TMZ = Tmz * GSEC = GliderSector * W = WaveWindow or http://www.winpilot.com/UsersGuide/UserAirspace.asp * AIRSPACE related record types: * == * * AC class;class = Airspace Class, see below: * R restricted * Q danger * P prohibited * A Class A * B Class B * C Class C * D Class D * GP glider prohibited * CTR CTR * W Wave Window Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3248 - Release Date: 11/10/10 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] WinPilot / airspace file for Benalla 2011Nationals
[Aus-soaring] WinPilot / airspace file for Benalla 2011 NationalsThank Chris, After trying a few times, I managed to get rid of the pink shading of the contest area using the V T=1 statemant. Regards Jarek From: Chris Woolley Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:00 PM To: 'Jarek Mosiejewski' ; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' ; 'Tim Shirley' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] WinPilot / airspace file for Benalla 2011Nationals Hi Jarek, It should be possible to make any segment transparent by including the following line in its definition: V T=1 Regards Chris From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 7:01 PM To: Tim Shirley; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] WinPilot / airspace file for Benalla 2011Nationals Thanks Tim, AC GSEC syntax works, no more WinPilot errors. The result is that all airspace with LL FL120 limit is now shaded pink. Was that the indented effect? Regards Jarek From: Tim Shirley Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:15 AM To: jar...@optusnet.com.au ; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] WinPilot / airspace file for Benalla 2011 Nationals Hi Jarek, There appears to be an error in the conversion programs being used by the Worldwide Turnpoint Exchange site. I will work with them on a correction and will advise pilots through the competition website. In the meantime if you replace all occurrences of AC Z with AC GSEC it might just work J Cheers Tim se sono rose, fioriranno From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2010 09:49 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] WinPilot / airspace file for Benalla 2011 Nationals Hi, Has anyone tried the OpenAir airspace file for the Banalla 2011 Nationals? http://soaringweb.org/TP/Benalla_restricted/files.html When I load it to my WinPilot 9.11, I get the User Airspace Syntax Error: AC Z. The file contains several AC Z statements while the OpenAir specification does not seem to provide for AC Z syntax e.g.: http://kflog.org/fileadmin/user_upload/cumulus_help/en/cumulus-maps.html * A = AirA * B = AirB * C = AirC * D = AirD * E = AirE * F = AirF * GP = Restricted * R = Restricted * TRA = Restricted * Q = Danger * CTR = ControlD * TMZ = Tmz * GSEC = GliderSector * W = WaveWindow or http://www.winpilot.com/UsersGuide/UserAirspace.asp * AIRSPACE related record types: * == * * AC class;class = Airspace Class, see below: * R restricted * Q danger * P prohibited * A Class A * B Class B * C Class C * D Class D * GP glider prohibited * CTR CTR * W Wave Window Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3248 - Release Date: 11/10/10 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] WinPilot / airspace file for Benalla 2011 Nationals
Hi, Has anyone tried the OpenAir airspace file for the Banalla 2011 Nationals? http://soaringweb.org/TP/Benalla_restricted/files.html When I load it to my WinPilot 9.11, I get the User Airspace Syntax Error: AC Z. The file contains several AC Z statements while the OpenAir specification does not seem to provide for AC Z syntax e.g.: http://kflog.org/fileadmin/user_upload/cumulus_help/en/cumulus-maps.html * A = AirA * B = AirB * C = AirC * D = AirD * E = AirE * F = AirF * GP = Restricted * R = Restricted * TRA = Restricted * Q = Danger * CTR = ControlD * TMZ = Tmz * GSEC = GliderSector * W = WaveWindow or http://www.winpilot.com/UsersGuide/UserAirspace.asp * AIRSPACE related record types: * == * * AC class;class = Airspace Class, see below: * R restricted * Q danger * P prohibited * A Class A * B Class B * C Class C * D Class D * GP glider prohibited * CTR CTR * W Wave Window Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham marketing
... and more about Horsham. The new Horsham Week website: http://www.horshamweek.org.au/ Jarek Christopher Mc Donnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi all, Pix with voice over interview are great. ABC Western Victoria item. http://www.abc.net.au/local/photos/2010/10/22/3045547.htm?site=westernvic Chris ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] roll cloud above warrnambool
Hi, A picture form Bacchus Marsh. VMFG pilots intended to try flying on the edge of the cloud but it had arrived over the airfield before they got ready to go. http://www.pbase.com/jarekm/image/110475290 Regards Jarek From: Geoff Vincent Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 5:02 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] roll cloud above warrnambool Yeah - commonly associated with Cu-nim downdrafts that strike the ground and push out from the base, lifting the surrounding (warmer) air up to condensation level. There did appear to be evidence of residual cu-nim formations east of Warrnambool on the Modis satellite photo around 10 am. Regards, Geoff V At 03:05 PM 9/09/2010, you wrote: Interesting roll cloud formation above warrnambool, Victoria today. http://www.standard.net.au/news/local/news/general/rare-cloud-mesmerises-warrnambool/1937510.aspx tom ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Dual Aerotowing at Bacchus Marsh
Thanks John, I've posted your video on the GGC's website. http://www.gliding-in-melbourne.org Best Regards Jarek From: John Parncutt Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 12:26 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Dual Aerotowing at Bacchus Marsh Following recent discussions on this group debating the merits of different launching methods, I noticed that Geelong Gliding club was practicing dual tows today and so I shot this brief video of one of the launches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-tCUrYOcqg Cheers, John ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Qld results
Hi, Why just first three placings? It is a gliding magazine after all and I do not mind seeing names of all participants. If we are serious on popularising competition flying, why not acknowledge pilots who had a go but did not made it to the top three? Imagine say, an AFL ladder in a paper with only top three teams listed... It seems to me that it is a recent thing that only names of top places takers are published, flipping through some old issues of the magazine I can see that it was not the case in the past. I appreciate that the answer for this could be that the full comp ladder can be found on-line, but some competition site are taken off-line soon after the competition finishes and we (the gliding public) virtually loose record of the competiton. Regards Jarek Anne Elliott ann...@hwy.com.au wrote: I would appreciate someone letting me know the first three placings of each class in the Qld comp. Please send direct to me at ann...@hwy.com.au Thanks Anne, for Soaring Australia magazine Keith Dixon and Anne Elliott PO Box 189 Narromine NSW 2821 Australia Anne: GFA Sub-editor Soaring Australia magazine Anne: mailto:ann...@hwy.com.au ann...@hwy.com.au Keith: keithdixo...@gmail.com Web: www.ourafricansafari.com.au www.vintageglidersaustralia.org.au www.soarnarromine.com.au www.flatchatnews.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
I've always assumed that CarLack is silicone free based on the Airplan Flight Equipment website: http://www.afeonline.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1989 which states: Carlack 68 Systemic Care is a silicone-free cleaner/polish which offers a high-quality surface finish and UV protection. The silicone-free formulation makes Carlack 68 suitable for both metal and composite construction. Furthermore, CarLack is endorsed on the DG site: http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/gelcoat-e.html as silicone free. ...it is much better to use a 'green' solvent such as De-Solvit or a good silicone free polish such as Car lack or Lesonal. If used regularly, these latter polishes will also provide some protection against UV. Avoid the use of any polish containing silicones as it makes it very difficult to re-finish a scarfed repair on the structure should it ever be necessary. Who can you trust? Regards Jarek bb...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Derek, you're right, that is a problem as Mequiars tech support state that all their wax finishes contain silicones. Still looking! As the glider is about 35 years old and could have been polished with who knows what by previous owners I'm not going to get too precious about it though... BB. BTW, I also contacted the CarLack tech support who advised: In answer to your question - yes, CarLack does have a small percentage of silicone. It makes the product so much easier to apply. A formula was tried without silicone, but was discontinued due to the fact it was more difficult to apply. Let us know if you require any further information. Regards eXtraShine - Perfection and Protection ABN: 18 837 102 355 www.extrashine.com.au i...@extrashine.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
I've just visited the German Car-lack website: http://www.carlack.de/carlack/home_eng.htm. They have a product called poly-lack which is supposed to be formulated for aeroplane-care premium surface protection... [] ...cleaner sealant developed especially for aeroplanes (plastic). It features a nice glider picture on the label. Perhaps this is the one without silicone? Regards Jarek bb...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Derek, you're right, that is a problem as Mequiars tech support state that all their wax finishes contain silicones. Still looking! As the glider is about 35 years old and could have been polished with who knows what by previous owners I'm not going to get too precious about it though... BB. BTW, I also contacted the CarLack tech support who advised: In answer to your question - yes, CarLack does have a small percentage of silicone. It makes the product so much easier to apply. A formula was tried without silicone, but was discontinued due to the fact it was more difficult to apply. Let us know if you require any further information. Regards eXtraShine - Perfection and Protection ABN: 18 837 102 355 www.extrashine.com.au i...@extrashine.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes?
I use Car-Lack 68: http://www.extrashine.com.au/product_info.html#carlack68 It contains no silicone and provides UV protection. Regards Jarek From: Future Aviation Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:22 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? Hello Bernie I use NUFINISH myself and provided you clean the area properly with a product called PREPSOL there is no problem at all with later Gelcoat or PU applications. The cleaning needs to be very thorough and should be done repeatedly using clean rags all the time. I hope this helps. Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Baer Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2009 10:37 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Silicon free polishes? Hello folks, it's Form 2 time and we plan to give our LS1-f a bit of a buff and polish. A product called NuFinish was recommended, however a quick Google search finds that it contains silicon and I understand that this is not a good thing should any future repairs be required. Is this correct, or is silicon getting a bad rap? Our club has used a Meguiars marine product called M4516 High Gloss Polish, I am led to believe that this contains no silicon but have yet to confirm that. See http://www.meguiars.com.au/productdetail_2006.php?seq=9category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine%20Caresubsubcat=Polish%20and%20Protectshow=3 Can anyone speak with authority on this subject? Any other products that I should know about? The gel coat is in good condition, it was machine buffed last year and shows little if any oxidisation to my untrained eye. I imagine a quick polish followed by a wax would be sufficient, so the Meguiars marine products are looking good: http://www.meguiars.com.au/product_2006.php?category=SPECIALTYsubcat=Marine Caresubsubcat=Polish Thanks, Bernie. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Looking for a parachute...
Hi, I am looking for a new or a near-new parachute, if you have one for sale, please respond to pik20b@gmail.com. Thanks Jarek___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Morning Glory type roll cloud at Caboolture Airfield 07-Aug-09
Something that looked like a morning glory over Bacchus Marsh on 22/03/2009. Regards Jarek Kevin Rodda brisgl...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.glidingcaboolture.org.au/Morning%20Glory%20at%20YCAB%2008Aug09 .ht m This is not a joke or a prank . I was lucky enough to experience first-hand a few years back a couple of real Morning Glory clouds rolling across Burketown airstrip (they move from north east to south west as they come in from over the Gulf of Carpentaria) and this was remarkably similar. I guess Deception Bay is no Gulf of Carpentaria but it really did try hard this morning! Russell White has added a link on the Morning Glory section of his dropbears.com web site . http://www.dropbears.com/brough/rollcloud.htm Regards, Kevin Rodda ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Morning Glory type roll cloud at Caboolture Airfield 07-Aug-09
Sorry, I forgot the link: http://www.pbase.com/jarekm/image/110475290 JM Jarek Mosiejewski jar...@optushome.com.au wrote: Something that looked like a morning glory over Bacchus Marsh on 22/03/2009. Regards Jarek Kevin Rodda brisgl...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.glidingcaboolture.org.au/Morning%20Glory%20at%20YCAB%2008Aug09 .ht m This is not a joke or a prank . I was lucky enough to experience first-hand a few years back a couple of real Morning Glory clouds rolling across Burketown airstrip (they move from north east to south west as they come in from over the Gulf of Carpentaria) and this was remarkably similar. I guess Deception Bay is no Gulf of Carpentaria but it really did try hard this morning! Russell White has added a link on the Morning Glory section of his dropbears.com web site . http://www.dropbears.com/brough/rollcloud.htm Regards, Kevin Rodda ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Zulu Romeo - Good Start
.. and me, please. tom claffey to...@yahoo.com wrote: One to me too please --- On Thu, 11/6/09, jfar...@melbpc.org.au jfar...@melbpc.org.au wrote: From: jfar...@melbpc.org.au jfar...@melbpc.org.au Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Zulu Romeo - Good Start To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Received: Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 9:27 PM I would like to add my name to the hoards requesting a copy thanks Jeff From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring- boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Alex Cameron Sent: Thursday, 11 June 2009 1:00 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Zulu Romeo - Good Start All - with input those expressing an interest - I think we have figured out the best way of making it available - I have sent the link to all those who have requested it. I have made two version, the MPG2 version (730M) has turned out very well, with very good sound - much better than expected. If anyone really wants the higher resolution version (MPG4 2.3G) then we can get a DVD burnt. Alex Message sent using MelbPC WebMail Server ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] XCSoar on PNAs
Greg, Do you have any experience in running WinPilot on PNA? I've been looking for info on this, but the only reference I managed to find is the following page: http://www.kombitz.com/2008/04/20/winpilot-vfr-for-pna/ It looks like that it is not simple and requires some hacking to make WinPilot to work on a PNA. Regards Jarek gregw gr...@nor.com.au wrote: Personal Nagivation Assistants (PNAs) are an easy way to get XC Soar or Winpilot running in a glider with a minimum of wiring. i.e. As they have an inbuilt gps they don't need to be connected to a flarm or other gps to work. They can be used as a primary glide computer or as a backup system. There is a version of XC Soar specifically made to be used on PNAs as unlike PDAs they don't normally have any buttons. Look for the file with PNA in the name on the XC Soar download page: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=141663package_id=1 55526 The XC Soar file includes information on how to get different PNAs to run XCSoar. Usually it's done by putting XCSoar on an SD card and running it from there. 1 Gb SD Cards only cost around $20 now. The Biantone PNAs are available from Big W stores and are fairly inexpensive: http://www.binatone.com.au/gps/products.php Cheers, Greg. On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:52:31 +1000, harry medlicott hw.medlic...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Colin, The Binatone Carrera looks interesting and a reasonable way to display XC Soar. Would be interesed in just how you set it up. Would appreciate an email about it, Thanks, Harry Medlicott hw.medlic...@bigpond.com - Original Message -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] PIK 20B tail wheel
Hi Tom, We are looking for the tail wheel replacement in our PIK20B WQF following the Benalla incident. We managed to repair there but now it is rubbing against the fibreglass and I do not think it will get any better. Please let me know if it would be possible sourcing it from you. If this is the case, please provide some more details before we order the item. Thanks Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] horsham week
Sports - Jarek Mosjoievski (hope this is close to the right spelling) Mosiejewski - one of the more creative spelling variations of my surname I've ever seen ;) Regards Jarek -- From: JR jma99...@bigpond.net.au Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:20 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] horsham week Thanks Wombat, the telex machine has been very quiet, and I was wondering weather it had bean cancelled due to weather. congratulations to all the winners. regards JR - Original Message - From: Mike Cleaver wom...@netspeed.com.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] horsham week At 21:22 17/02/2009, you wrote: was there a horsham week ? if so how did it go. JR G'Day JR Yes there was a Horsham Week - we flew 6 days (one only a launch for 15m Class before the task was called off) but Saturday was fantastic - 8 - 10 kt thermals to 8300 or so, and speeds of up to 130 km/h handicapped or 140 km/h off the stick for a 2 hour run task so we could finish early. The first Saturday was cancelled for obvious reasons (fire danger etc) and the Sunday may have ben flyable but we never found out because emergency services were using the airfield. Tasks up to 350 km were set and all had a great time. Class winners were: Open - Tony Tabart 15m - Andy Smith (Mt Beauty) Standard - Craig Collings (Mt Beauty) Sports - Jarek Mosjoievski (hope this is close to the right spelling) in a Puchacz. Particular congratulations to Craig who is an accomplished paraglider pilot who only started flying sailplanes this season and already has around 120 hours, flying his ASW-19, after excellent training and coaching by Paul Mander. The smoke held off till Sunday, when we were all driving home! Wombat ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Is this gliding?
Not Flying, But Falling With Style Buzz Lightyear Mark Fisher m...@spe.com.au wrote: Check this out. http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1778399server=vimeo.comsho I guess these guys don't have much use for Flarm ?? Take the time to watch the whole clip.especially near the end. It brought me to rethink the entire premise of final glide Cheers and happy new year to all on the list Mark From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Don Woodward Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2009 12:01 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flights from Nrm 9x 1000k flights. That is amazing, what a great effort! Regards Don Woodward VH-GIB - Original Message - From: Anne Elliott mailto:ann...@hwy.com.au To: Aus-soaring mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: masahikohome mailto:i...@tkd.att.ne.jp ; 'Koichi HAYAKAWA' mailto:mist...@xb3.so-net.ne.jp ; Katsunori mailto:byh13...@nifty.ne.jp Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:53 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Flights from Nrm Congratulations to Harry Medlicott who completed a 1020km flight today from Nrm. This is Harry's ninth 1000km flight. Other 1000km flights from Nrm I know about are from Trevor West and Mac Ichikawa. Koichi Hayakawa completed a 750km flight so congratulations to him also. Regards Anne Keith Dixon and Anne Elliott (GFA Sub-editor Soaring Australia magazine) PO Box 189 Narromine NSW 2821 Australia Email: ann...@hwy.com.au mailto:ann...@hwy.com.au Web: www.ourafricansafari.com.au www.vintageglidersaustralia.org.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Hijack Micheal
...and despite his surname, he is Polish (just like SZD 55) ;). Jarek Patching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forget Michael Sommer. Some bloke call Lesnza BLANIK won a Gold Medal at Bejing. I still won't admit it but it appears that Blanik is still going strong! #156. Gold medals, Aluminium painted gold. Patch - Original Message - From: Ross McLean To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hijack Micheal Despite the fact that it definitely needs more than a Polish J it is still a weapon in the right hands. ROSS - - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C K Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2008 9:02 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hijack Micheal Thats not a nice thing to say about Tom's 55 Ross, just cause it's Polish. ;-) Chris On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Ross McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris What makes you think that would make a difference. He won Standard Class in the 2003 Nationals at Gulgong in Tom Gilbert's SZD 55 and set a new NSW speed record in the process. ROSS - - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C K Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2008 6:30 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hijack Micheal Although Ingo still managed to win pretty much everything in an old Discus A. I am sure we could find a Discus for Michael somewhere, even just for the purpose of giving everyone else a chance of winning. :-) Chris On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Roger Druce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite right Terry. We should hijack Micheal to be one of our own. As the Olympics show atheletes are mobile in terms of national representation. And after all, as Ingo explained in an interview in the German flying magazine AeroKurier about 15 years ago, he was Deutsche stammige, wahl Australier (as best I remember it) which I understand as meaning of German origin, by choice Australian. So how do we get Micheal to choose Australia? An offer would appear to have to start with the odd spare ASW22BLE or two or three. He would need one for himself and one for his team compatriot (plus a spare for the odd breakage?) Then there would be team Micheal travel expenses to cover, and team Micheal cars (Terry surely you could get Holden to just chuck these in for nothing), and Hmm Getting a bit expensive Terry. Roger Druce ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring - - ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Mammatus Cloud
http://www.pbase.com/jarekm/image/51086188 Please let me know if you need better resolution than this. Regards Jarek Future Aviation [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I was wondering whether there is anyone on this newsgroup who can help me with a nice photo of a Mammatus cloud? Kind regards Bernard Eckey Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Water outlanding near Zar, Poland
According to the Zar's website this is fourth water landing in the past four years. http://www.glidezar.com/gallery_show_image.php?id=726 http://www.glidezar.com/gallery_show_image.php?id=722 The person in the boat is the world champion Sebastian Kawa http://www.glidezar.com/gallery_show_image.php?id=730 ... and the approach captured on cam: www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EtYyYWErgI Regards Jarek___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Geelong Gliding Club, an AEI Story
Hi, A few weeks ago I received an email with a number of pictures attached, all taken on the Bacchus Marsh aerodrome. The author, Morten W. Haugen, who is a photography student at RMIT, had an AEI flight with us. Since the photos are quite good I asked him for permission for publishing his work on the club's website and writing an intro. He responded with a nice story that I'd like to share with everyone. Link to the story on the GGC website: http://www.gliding-in-melbourne.org/new/content/view/386/94/ Link to the Morten W. Haugen's gallery on the GGC website: http://www.gliding-in-melbourne.org/new/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,37/?g2_itemId=2586 Link to Morten W. Haugen's Gallery: http://www.warholmhaugen.com/ Regards Jarek Mosiejewski ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Ballast
Hi, The attached spreadsheet provides a simple universal solution for the standard class gliders based on Maurie Bradney's observation that can be found in his Flying Faster and Further book. On the page 31 of the book there is table with Climb Rate / Wing Loading relationship Here is the quote: For optimum speed, from experience, I have worked out a relationship between thermal strength and wing loading for standard class sailplanes. Climb Rate, knots:12345678 Wing Loading, kgs/sqm:343740434649 end quote I converted this dependency into a spreadsheet where you can enter: - the aircraft wing area - the aircraft empty weight - cockpit load A formula based on the Bradney's table calculates the required climb rate for the amount of water ballast carried. Data included in the spreadsheet is for the LS4a. Best Regards Jarek - Original Message - From: Derek Ruddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Ballast It was me and I was looking for the principles for how to determine it for any glider, rather than a specific case -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Smith Sent: Monday, 4 February 2008 2:03 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Water Ballast Hi all Some months ago, there was a request on this list about the optimal wing loading to fly a particular glider. I feel that I am now in a position to give a defenitive answer. If the person concerned could e-mail me directly and refresh my ailing memory with what glider he flies, I will try to explain my answer. cheers Anthony ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Std Gliders Water Ballast.xls Description: MS-Excel spreadsheet ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Ballast
The latter. I imagine you take off fully ballasted and once you've made an assessment of the climb rate for the day, you dump water to achieve the optimal wing loading. Regards Jarek - Original Message - From: Anthony Smith To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Ballast So is that the climb rate achieved whilst empty or correctly loaded? ie you dump ballast from when you are full till you achieve the desired climb rate? My take on the problem is something like this: It shows the relationship between wing loading, the core strength of the thermal (not your achieved climb rate) and the radius of the thermal. (Note that the Hornet is roughly limited to a wing loading of 32 to 42 kg/m2) Maurice's numbers actually compare reasonably favourably once you translate this into climb rate, but he has assumed a relationship between thermal strength and thermal radius which doesn't necessarily exist in nature. Because of this his guidance may be a little misleading. An article in Soaring Aust is forthcoming... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Monday, 4 February 2008 6:35 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Ballast Hi, The attached spreadsheet provides a simple universal solution for the standard class gliders based on Maurie Bradney's observation that can be found in his Flying Faster and Further book. On the page 31 of the book there is table with Climb Rate / Wing Loading relationship Here is the quote: For optimum speed, from experience, I have worked out a relationship between thermal strength and wing loading for standard class sailplanes. Climb Rate, knots:12345678 Wing Loading, kgs/sqm:343740434649 end quote I converted this dependency into a spreadsheet where you can enter: - the aircraft wing area - the aircraft empty weight - cockpit load A formula based on the Bradney's table calculates the required climb rate for the amount of water ballast carried. Data included in the spreadsheet is for the LS4a. Best Regards Jarek - Original Message - From: Derek Ruddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Ballast It was me and I was looking for the principles for how to determine it for any glider, rather than a specific case -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:aus-soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Smith Sent: Monday, 4 February 2008 2:03 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Water Ballast Hi all Some months ago, there was a request on this list about the optimal wing loading to fly a particular glider. I feel that I am now in a position to give a defenitive answer. If the person concerned could e-mail me directly and refresh my ailing memory with what glider he flies, I will try to explain my answer. cheers Anthony ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringimage001.gif___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] LS4 Reference Weight
Hi, The GFA Glider Handicaps 2007/8 - Multiclass document lists the LS4 a/b's reference weight at 525 kg. If I look into the LS 4 flight manual (this is the Geelong Gliding Club's LS4a VH-UKA: http://www.gliding-in-melbourne.org/new/files/fmanuals/LS4a.pdf ), it states its empty weight at 241 kg; on the page 14, there is a Water Ballast Limitations table. For a glider with the empty weight of 240kg and the Pilot and Parachute weight of say 100kg, the allowable water ballasts is 132 kg: 241kg + 100kg + 132kg = 473kg. This is 57kg short of the published reference weight. The max water ballast for the LS4 is 140 l (manual, page 30), so if the manual is right, it is physically and legally impossible to take this glider to its published reference weight. Clearly there is something wrong here, either the reference weight is to high or the LS 4 manual is incorrect. Does anyone have any idea? Thanks Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Pirat
Hi, It does spin. Among other duties, it's been used in Poland for basic aerobatic training - spin, loop, wingover... There is one in Bacchus Marsh (VH - XLS), owned by a syndicate of Geelong Gliding Club members. Regards Jarek - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pirat SZD 30 = Polish?? I rigged one and definitely a three person job. Didn't spin, not my club. GH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 3:58 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Pirat http://toohardtodo.blogspot.com/2004/07/257-klix-official-practice-day_25.html A very upright seating position from memory, but was pretty comfortable. The Germans were a bit worried about spinning (for other reasons). I didn't spin it but did some mushy stall things. Not much different to any 60s wooden aircraft. They seemed to be inordinately popular in the old East Germany. The rigging was awkward (3 piece wing, you can see the kink in the wing in the photo where the join is), but overall an honest aeroplane. Sadly the photo is not so clear, the glider carries a shark face. SWK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:02 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Pirat I had an opportunity to fly a Pirat (SZD 30) around '94, at Wellington Club NZ. What a delightful glider it was. Just for the record the type first flew it '66. More details http://www.sailplanedirectory.com/PlaneDetails.cfm?PlaneID=350 BTW I think there may be one for sale at Central Queensland Club, last I heard it was a very good price. Grant Harper Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ** This email and any file attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please tell us immediately by return email and delete the document. The information in this email expresses the opinion of the author and does not necessarily represent the views of ETSA Utilities. ** ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: RE: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun )
Its been noticed in this thread that all Polish gliders to spin. This is, I believe reflected in the way Polish glider pilots are trained. Being fully trained Polish pilot (mid 70) and having flown in Australia for more than 10 years, I though I might share my experience. Firstly, every trainee pilot in Poland receives full spinning and spin recovery training before going solo. Actually completion of this stage is a pre-requisite of going solo. Secondly, a spin is considered and thought to be an aerobatic figure. To spin a glider, you are instructed to keep normal, level attitude, and then close to the pre-stall speed, you pull on the stick and initiate rudder action in the desired direction of spin and hold it back thorough the spin. When recovering, emphasis is to recover in a pre-chosen direction, usually, one or two full revolution. This is what you would be expected to do when asked to spin by a Polish instructor. I do not quite recall practicing incipient spins as much as it is done in Australia. Every instructor in Australia I flew with was somewaht dismissive of the above method of initiating a spin, unless I told up-front what I was about to do. In Poland, part of Silver C training (in Poland rating called, glider pilot class 2) includes aerobatics training: spinning, loops and wing-overs. This is done in a two-seater (Bocian, Puchacz) and a single-seater, now day Junior, I did it in Mucha 100. Part of class 1 glider pilot training includes advanced aerobatics which includes slow rolls and snap rolls and linking all aerobatic figures. This is done in Puchacz. Converting to a new aircraft in Poland requires three flights; one of them includes mandatory spinning and aerobatics. I am not trying to prove which system is better. Here in Australia we fly such a variety of gliders with completely different spinning characteristics that it is perhaps hard to device a standard approach for all of them and admittedly I do not hear about as many spinning accidents as I used to Poland, however, I think the Polish system makes the pilot more comfortable with spinning. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: RE: [Aus-soaring] Winning on the wind
Should be: http://members.optusnet.com.au/nickyhead/SYMPOS69.TXT http://members.optusnet.com.au/nickyhead/SYMPOS70.TXT http://members.optusnet.com.au/nickyhead/SYMPOS71.TXT http://members.optusnet.com.au/nickyhead/SYMPOS72.TXT Regards Jarek Head, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many years ago I scanned the notes from the 1969-1972 symposia. I have put them on the web at: 1969 (162k) - http://members.optusnet.com.au/~nickyhead/sysmpos69.txt 1970 (243k) - http://members.optusnet.com.au/~nickyhead/sysmpos70.txt 1971 (124k) - http://members.optusnet.com.au/~nickyhead/sysmpos71.txt 1972 (45k) - http://members.optusnet.com.au/~nickyhead/sysmpos72.txt Enjoy! David -Original Message- From: Mike Borgelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 1:04 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring inAustralia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Winning on the wind At 10:42 AM 20/04/04 +0930, you wrote: On 22/3/04 I asked if anyone knew where to get this book. A couple of outfits list this book but when I tried to buy - Sorry out of print Andrew Bell suggested Biblioquest. This am they emailed that they have found a copy for sale in US. I have placed the order. Thankyou to all who responded with assistance. Anyone with a copy should be relieved to know they are now quite valuable - I am paying $109AU for a 1974 first edition!!If I carry it in the glider, will we fly faster? Simon ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Simon, Much of the sensible stuff that is in Winning on the Wind seems to be in the 1972 Soaring Symposium proceedings which I ran across when tidying up the office the other day. Now how to disseminate this Any suggestions anyone? I'm still trying to get back my copy of Reichmann from the bloke I loaned it to so I'm reluctant to lend my copy. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring * * * * ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: Re: [Aus-soaring] Questions
I don't believe the Jantar Std 2 and 3 are any different in the wing profile and I think it may even be the same profile on the SZD55. It is a Polish profile called an NN-8 . The good news is that it is relatively insensitive to spar bumps etc. Jantar Std 1, 2, 3 have profile NN-8, while SZD has NN-27. Both profiles have been developed by Warsaw Technical University. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[aus-soaring] Rocket launching of gliders ? Anyone know if it's been done before ?
There is another type of take-off practiced in Poland in Bezmiechowa: gravitational. Gliders are just pushed down the slope and after a short run they get air-borne. Apparently this type of launch has been invented a few years ago when the tug plane broke down and in desperation, someone tried the gravitational approach. Here are a few pictures showing Bocian taking off: http://www.aeroklub.poznan.pl/szybowce/wydarzenia/bez01/bez05.htm http://www.aeroklub.poznan.pl/szybowce/wydarzenia/bez01/ (in Polish) but I've heard about Jantar and SZD - 55 being launched using this method. Bezmiechowa is the airfield where Polish pilot, Tadeusz Gora did the first in the world 500km flight few years before the II WW. It had been abandoned during the communist era but a group of gliding enthusiasts re-established it as a new Airclub in the 90': http://www.bieszczadyonline.com/portal/html/aeroklub.php?right=menu (in Polish) Regards Jarek Mosiejewski -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
