Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer

[eckey]

 
 Hi Paul

Due to the current strength of the AUD I can get you a brand new Komet

trailer for well under A$ 10 000. Feel free to contact me off line on:
ec...@internode.on.net 
in case you want to pursue this further. 

Kind regards

Bernard Eckey
Ph. 08 84492871
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Hello People,

I'm after a trailer for an ASW20.

If anyone knows of a 15m trailer sitting around surplus, I'd
appreciate the information.

Please email me directly.

regards

Paul Hogan

  

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[Aus-soaring] Thank you

[eckey]

Good morning all 

Even two days after asking for help with the proofreading of my new
book I’m still overwhelmed with offers of assistance. 
I’m impressed and very grateful to all of you. Obviously a lot of
you are right behind my efforts to support the gliding 
movement by low cost literature for home study. Thank you very much
indeed!! 

Rest assured that I will contact you soon after getting back to
‘down under’.  

Kind regards from Germany Bernard 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems

[eckey]

Hi Pam

Please allow me to clarify the matter. 

Depending on customer requirements Schleicher installs bottles holders
to suit either European or US made oxygen 
bottles. European oxy bottles are 100 mm whereby US bottles are
usually 108 mm in diameter. 
If your fittings are for European bottles you will not be able to fit
the larger diameter US bottles.

If you let me know which size bottle you require I will ask Schleicher
to submit a quote directly to you. On request the 
bottle can soon be shipped to Melbourne in a container with two
gliders for Victorian customers. This can reduce the 
shipping costs for you. Please note that the ex-works delivery date of
these gliders is the second half of August. 

Please let me have your thoughts on the matter.

Kind regards

Bernard 

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 From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
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To:tom claffey , Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia. 
Cc: 
Sent:Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:17:36 +1000
Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems

Thanks Tom, that’s helpful. Who supplies the German bottles?  

We are in Europe for a month, can we carry one on a flight? I expect
it would have to be empty if we did? 

Pam 

  

FROM: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] ON BEHALF OF tom
claffey
SENT: Monday, 9 July 2012 4:41 PM
TO: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
SUBJECT: Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems 

  

Hi Pam, 

Most US bottles will not fit in Schleicher holder. Either a smaller
bottle with packing or get a German steel bottle [which will fit, and
gives max capacity] 

and use German DIN44 fittings. An alternative, which both our gliders
have is the German bottle with a DIN44 to American std CGA[64?]
adapter 

to use the std US regulator from MH. The adapters are on the MH
website, you can then use this adapter for filling. The extra money
for the reg with gauge is worth it as the MH bottles have gauge on
bottle side of tap but German bottle does not. The US is the aviation
standard here. 

With a refilling kit you can hire a big bottle and refill your own
bottles. Talk to Maddog as`well. 

Regards, 

Tom 

  

FROM: Pam Kurstjens 
TO: DDSC ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.  
SENT: Monday, 9 July 2012 3:15 PM
SUBJECT: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems 

  

I want to put an oxygen cylinder in my ASH31mi with a Mountain High
pulse delivery system. 

What cylinders are most suitable for glider use? 

What fittings give easiest access to re-filling services in
Australia? 

What sort of good or bad experiences are there in getting Oxygen
cylinders refilled commercially? 

Pam 

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[Aus-soaring] Video

[eckey]

 Good morning all

I found this video excellent and worth sharing with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av1FWwQI6R4feature=youtube_gdata_player

Kind regards

Bernard

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Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story

[eckey]

Hi Rob 

Belated congatulations on your birthday and MANY HAPPY RETURNS!

You are right, REX have been on this band wagon for over five years
and if my information is correct they have very sympathetic ears 
at CASA.

I fully agree with Anthony! We need to get our act together if we want
to avoid that the authorities dictate a very undesirable solution!

Kind regards from Germany

Bernard

- Original Message -
From: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
To:Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
Cc:
Sent:Wed, 4 Jul 2012 19:08:17 +0930
Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story

I believe all the aircraft were in Class G airspace where there is no
requirement for any GA, LSA or gliders to have transponders and of
course this was not mentioned.

 

REX have been on this band wagon for over five years.

 

Rob Moore

 

FROM: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] ON BEHALF OF
Anthony Smith
SENT: Wednesday, 4 July 2012 6:25 PM
TO: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
SUBJECT: Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story

 

Personally, I foresee a future where we will all have some form of
compulsory collision avoidance system.  I think that it is
unavoidable (pardon the joke).

 

I subscribe to the view that we would be much better off to get
ourselves (gliders) sorted out now.  That way we have some “hope”
of collectively negotiating the future with the authorities rather
than having the authorities dictate to us a potentially less desirable
the solution.

 

 

 

FROM: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [1]
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] [2] ON BEHALF OF
Stuart  Kerri FERGUSON
SENT: Wednesday, 4 July 2012 12:55 PM
TO: tom claffey; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.
SUBJECT: Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story

 

BUT not all gliders are fitted with FLARM !

 

We would have to make them compulsory too.

Stuart FERGUSON 

Phone - 0419 797508

 

On 04/07/2012, at 13:03, tom claffey  wrote:

REX could buy Flarms of course! ;] I would be happy if they made them
mandatory.

After all, it is them wanting us to change, we outnumber them as
well.

Tom

FROM: Mike Borgelt 
TO: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.  
SENT: Wednesday, 4 July 2012 12:15 PM
SUBJECT: Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC radio transponder story

 

At 11:21 AM 4/07/2012, you wrote:

Forwarded from Kim Taylor:

Hi All,

 
This morning on ABC radio AM programme a story regarding the regional
airline Rex pushing for gliders to carry transponders. 

Rex had a near miss  involving a glider and one of their air
ambulances.

 

Link to story : http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3538383.htm [6]

 

 

Regards,

 

Kim T

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It would be nice if the GFA spokesperson got his facts straight.

A transponder like a Trig TT21 or 22 draws only 300mA or so and that
includes the altitude encoder. It fits a sub 57mm hole and is in two
parts so the bit in the panel is very short.

Not only that it is ADSB ready so it only needs a suitable approved
GPS unit and it is an ADSB OUT solution. Can be had for $2500
currently, maybe a bit less. The only issue with ADSB OUT is the
approvedGPS source and this is an area where some intelligent
lobbying will pay. (God help us if the GFA does this)

Claiming size/weight/power problems is a joke when power hungry colour
moving map displays draw around 500mA and new battery technology
allows over 2.5 times the energy storage for less weight than the old
sealed lead acid tech.

I find a fair number of RAAus aircraft don't have transponders either
and these will be as much of a hazard as gliders to Air Ambulance and
Regional airline ops although the RAAus guys seem to be better at
radio use. I guess Rex have TCAS in their Air Ambulances as otherwise
you need to be in radar coverage at least with Mode C. The Trig is a
Mode S transponder BTW(includes Mode C).

Imagine if the ABC found out that glider pilots are unlicensed.

Mike

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[Aus-soaring] Gliding book

[eckey]

Good afternoon all

Yesterday I had correspondence with Al Sim who has already sold
hundreds of my books through his Brisbane based on-line shop.
Today it occured to me that it might be of interest to the wider
gliding community and therefore I have enclosed our correspondence 
for your information.

Kind regards

Bernard

 - Original Message -
From: ec...@internode.on.net
To: Al @ Go Soaring 
Cc: 
Sent: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 21:46:57 +0930
Subject: Re: Advanced Soaring
 Hello Al

You are making me feel guilty!

For weeks I have been meaning to contact you and let you know that the
shipment of the trailer to 
Australia was delayed by several months and that the remaining stock
of Advanced Soaring Made 
Easy was sold to European customers. At present the book is sold out
and therefore I'm unable 
to accept further orders. Please accept my appology!!!

But not all is lost! Right now I'm working on a third edition and a
few weeks ago I thought it was as 
good as finished. However, during a week of mountain flying in St.
Auban (France) I got a few new 
ideas. Now I'm working on text additions and on making the book even
more informative and more 
attractive.

I'm doing my best to have the third edition available in time for
Christmas. All I can do at the moment 
is to ask you to remain patient. Rest assured you will be the first to
know when the third edition 
becomes available. 

Kind regards from Germany

Bernard

PS: Even the French like Advanced Soaring Made Easy and are
considering a translation at present.

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 From: Al @ Go Soaring @gosoaring.com.au 
To:ec...@internode.on.net 
Cc: 
Sent:Wed, 4 Jul 2012 20:08:08 +1000
Subject:Advanced Soaring

 Hi Bernard,
 I hope you and Chris are enjoying a nice German summer and catching
up with family and friends.

 Do you have any stock of Advanced Soaring available in Australia? I
do get enquiries and tell customers we hopefully have stock sometime
soon.

 Next week I am instructing and coaching at a go for solo course and
it would have been great to have copies of your wonderful book. I
could take orders if you do have stock in Oz.

 Cheers, Al

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?

[eckey]

Hi Mike and others!

It wasn't only Wil Schuemann who experimented with an air outlet.
About 25 years ago Dick Buttler worked with Schleicher to fit
an air extractor to his ASW 22. Martin Heide put an air outlet
(similar to the Mandl device) on the undercarriage door of his 
ASH 25 prototype but was unable to measure a pressure difference in
the cockpit. This undercarriage door is currently in my 
workshop in Adelaide.

The US Schleicher agent has developed an air extractor for the ASG 29
in close cooperation with Michael Greiner, the designer 
of the aircraft. It feature a rather substantional funnel which is
designed to accelerate the cockpit air prior to entering the free 
airstream. By doing so the turbulence around the air extractor is
reduced and the drag is supposed to be minimised.

The big question is whether the drag created by the turbulence around
the air extractor is less than the drag caused by the escape
of air around the canopy frame. In any case, a performance gain of
anywhere near four L/D points is totally unrealistic. If only half 
true the LS10 would win every competition ...  

I hasten to add that cockpit ventilation is likely to be improved as
the ventilation air can escape without finding its way through 
the tail boom to the rear of the fuselage. That in itself is an
advantage - especially in a country like Australia.   

Kind regards to all

Bernard

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Sent:Tue, 05 Jun 2012 18:13:59 +1000
Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is
there something to it?

 At 04:40 PM 5/06/2012, you wrote:
Not sure about independent, but Jonker does the same thing for their
 JS1's, and I've heard of experimental ASW20 mods to add one.
 http://www.jonkersailplanes.co.za/index.php?pageid=36 [1]

 -Matthew

 No the JS-1 vent is not the same as the Mandl extractor although both
aim to suck exit air out through a low pressure point. The Mandl
device is on the bottom of the fuselage and looks to be in around the
trailing edge of the wing location in the fore and aft sense. The JS-1
vent is on top of the fuselage not far aft of the canopy and it has a
little wing in it to get the air to flow along the surface better. The
JS-1 location is likely a lower pressure area (top of wing and fat
part of fuselage) than the lower fuselage  lined up with the wing TE
where the pressure is about back to static pressure. Also the Mandl
extractor doesn't seem to try to flow the exit air parallel to the
airstream. Some tests with dye or tufts would be interesting as well
as static pressure measurements. Don't forget also if you manage to
put the vent in a low pressure area and close the inlet, cockpit
pressure will be a fair bit lower than outside - maybe up to 100 feet
or so altitude equivalent with consequent effects on the pressure
altitude measured by your logger.

 This is by no means a new idea to have an exit vent. Wil Schumann
used the back of the gear doors as an extractor on his H301b Libelle.
I had an exit vent on my Mini Nimbus in 1978. Gliders are coming out
with better cockpit ventilation nowadays. It took long enpough.
failure to provide adequate ventilation in the cockpit is like failing
to provide proper cooling for the engine in a powered aircraft.

 Mike

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Concordia - first flight 25th May

[eckey]

Hi Stu

There will definitely be no Nimeta at Uvalde.
It is no longer with us due to an in-flight failure of the wing.
The pilot used his parachute and survived.

Kind regards 

Bernard   

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Sent:Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:25:48 +1000
Subject:[Aus-soaring] Concordia - first flight 25th May

  All,   
 Dick Butler's 28m Concordia had it's first flights  on 25th May 
 see article at  SOARING CAFE'  website 

 
http://soaringcafe.com/2012/05/news-flash-dick-butler-makes-first-flight-in-concordia/
[1] 
 if you dig around soaring Cafe there is Dicks calculated polar for
the Concordia,   looks very interesting,  more than 50:1 at 100
knots. best L/D about 75 at 75 knots, no need to slow down unless
turning. (can anyone remember the Nambus 4 with the glide angle
flatter than the curvature of the earth. Ref.  Aust. Gliding article,
circa 1984.) 
 This confirms the Open Class will be really interesting this year at
the Uvalde Worlds in Texas. with  
 Concordia, Quintus ASH30 ASH31 - probably Stretched 21m JS1 too,  
JS2 or JS117% ? EB29 ? 
 But no Nimeta it would seem!  What else will turn up ? This is like
going back to the early 70's where open class had all the surprises. 
 Many new and many different ideas about the best open class solution.
Higher wing-loading seems to be the theme. 
 We shall see who is right, in a few weeks - starting july 28th. Some
of the top pilots might be wondering if they have picked the correct
mount. And then there is Duckhawk too. cheers Stu  

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[Aus-soaring] Blue Angels

[eckey]

Hello all

I understand this is the latest video on the Blue Angels.

Please enjoy!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=W6tB8Lf7YoU [1]

Kind regards from Germany

Bernard


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[Aus-soaring] JS1

[eckey]

Hello all! 

Due to a request by Jonker sailplanes I would like to come back to my
posting dated 27th of April. In it I stated that the JS1 fuselage was
molded off the ASH 26 and that an African certification is not
recognised in other parts of the world. 

Let me deal with the plagiarism issue first. During my current stay
in Germany I have received confirmation that Jonker sailplanes has
agreed to make royalty payments to Schleicher. That should speak for
itself and I believe that the matter requires no further explanation.
  

Now let me come back to the JS1 certification issue. After consulting
the local authorities I can confirm that a JS1 can be operated in
Europe but EASA does not recognize the South African certification I
do not wish to elaborate on the various reasons and simply say that
the glider can not be put on a European aircraft register. Feedback
from affected owners indicates that their JS1 had to be registered in
South Africa. If my information is correct US based JS1 are mainly
operated on the basis of an experimental certificate but at this stage
I can not comment on US registration matters. 

Please let me stress that this clarification was made on request of
Jonker sailplanes and is not an attempt to keep the issue alive. Due
to my current overseas trip I have not been able to find out how the
Australian authorities view the issue. However, it appears unlikely
that they will deviate much from the position adopted by their
overseas counterparts. For further details please refer to a recent
posting by Mike Cleaver.  

My statement that an African certification is not universally
recognised remains valid in relation to aircraft registration but it
is not affecting JS1 operations. 

I trust this additional information clarifies the issue. 

Kind regards to all 

Bernard   


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[Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence

[eckey]

 Good morning all

After initiating a GFA push towards an internationally recognised
gliding licence about 6 years ago I must say that I'm 
delighted with the outcome. 

Therefore I would like to take this opportunity to express my sincere
appreciation to all GFA office bearers involved. 
Having closely followed the progress of this project I know only too
well how time consuming and at times frustrating 
the negotiations with CASA have been. At long last we have arrived at
a point where suitably qualified Australian glider 
pilots can obtain their GPC and exercise their previlleges in other
parts of the world for as long as their medical remains 
valid. 

The outcome is even better than expected and should be celebrated by
all of us. It is a triumpf of common sense and is 
a huge step in the right direction. I am very grateful and see no
reason for playing down the achievements of our elected 
representatives.

Kind regards from Germany

Bernard Eckey


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Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Site/accident

[eckey]

Hi Mike (and others!)

You have hit the nail on the head but I'm not sure whether you are
right when you claim that established glider factories would take
fewer 
man hours to bring out a new design. Only few glider pilots do not
know that the JS1 fuselage was molded of an ASH 26. This was initially

denied by the Jonker brothers but they have finally agreed to pay
royalties to Schleicher. The case is settled now.

But back to certification!
The extremely rigerous EASA type certification process represents a
huge cost burden on manufacturers who in turn have no choice but to 
pass these costs on to the gliding community as a whole. But the
exponential increase in regulation over recent years has not only
increased
cost but has also considerably delayed the introduction of new models.

 
The South African based manufacturer has circumvented this process by
'certifying' his glider in Africa. This, of course, is nowhere near as

costly, time consuming and rigerous as EASA and FAA certification.
Consequently it reduces the costs for putting a new aircraft on the 
market quite considerably. 
This might initially be welcome news for potential customers but it
will have the same negative impact on the resale value as other owners
of
uncertified aircraft have experienced. It is also unclear to me how
such matters as ADs or other service difficulties are promulgated and 
efficiently dealt with. 

The point I'm trying to make is that an African certification is not
recognised in other parts of the world. It is my understanding that
forign 
certifications can only be recognised by GFA and/or CASA if they are
either issued by EASA and/or FAA. Therefore I'm still unsure how 
such aircraft can be legally operated in countries like Australia. 

Can anyone enlighten me, please?

Kind regards to all!

Bernard

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Sent:Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:18:59 +1000
Subject:Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Site/accident

 At 11:22 PM 25/04/2012, you wrote:

 Gliders, in comparison to say modern airliners are relatively simple
machines - just ask the boys in South Africa who developed the
JS1.They are reputed to have put in over 70,000 total hours to get to
official Type Approval! 
 

 I'm not sure what this has to do with anything  but that number of
hours may be right including all RD, setting up a production facility
etc. including dealing with the bureaucrats. That's 35 to 40 people
for a working year or 7 to 8 people for 5 to 6 years. Sounds about
right. Last I heard they were still getting screwed by the Europeans
over EASA certification. From their website
http://www.jonkersailplanes.com/index.php?pageid=84 [1] 
 Read between the lines.

 An established glider factory would take far fewer man hours to bring
out a new design.

 Also there's this about certification :

 
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/aero-2012-slash-new-aircraft-costs-to-lure-pilots-says-gama-371036/
[2] 

 Can't say a bureaucrat's OK is worth much to me.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Site/accident

[eckey]

Hi Mike (and others!)

You have hit the nail on the head but I'm not sure whether you are
right when you claim that established glider factories would take
fewer 
man hours to bring out a new design. Only few glider pilots do not
know that the JS1 fuselage was moulded off an ASH 26. This was
initially 
denied by Jonker but they have now agreed to pay royalties to
Schleicher. Fortunately the case is settled now.

But back to certification!
The extremely rigerous EASA type certification process represents a
huge cost burden on manufacturers who in turn have no choice but to 
pass these costs on to the gliding community as a whole. But the
exponential increase in regulation over recent years has not only
increased
cost but has also considerably delayed the introduction of new models.

 
The South African based manufacturer has circumvented this process by
'certifying' his glider in Africa. This, of course, is nowhere near as

costly, time consuming and rigerous as EASA and FAA certification.
Consequently it reduces the costs for putting a new aircraft on the 
market quite considerably. 
This might initially be welcome news for potential customers but it
will have the same negative impact on the resale value as other owners
of
uncertified aircraft have experienced. It is also unclear to me how
such matters as ADs or other service difficulties are promulgated and 
efficiently dealt with. 

The point I'm trying to make is that an African certification is not
recognised in other parts of the world. It is my understanding that
forign 
certifications can only be recognised by GFA and/or CASA if they are
either issued by EASA and/or FAA. Therefore I'm still unsure how 
such aircraft can be legally operated in countries like Australia. 

Can anyone enlighten me, please?

Kind regards to all!

Bernard

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 At 11:22 PM 25/04/2012, you wrote:

 Gliders, in comparison to say modern airliners are relatively simple
machines - just ask the boys in South Africa who developed the
JS1.They are reputed to have put in over 70,000 total hours to get to
official Type Approval! 
 

 I'm not sure what this has to do with anything  but that number of
hours may be right including all RD, setting up a production facility
etc. including dealing with the bureaucrats. That's 35 to 40 people
for a working year or 7 to 8 people for 5 to 6 years. Sounds about
right. Last I heard they were still getting screwed by the Europeans
over EASA certification. From their website
http://www.jonkersailplanes.com/index.php?pageid=84 [1] 
 Read between the lines.

 An established glider factory would take far fewer man hours to bring
out a new design.

 Also there's this about certification :

 
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/aero-2012-slash-new-aircraft-costs-to-lure-pilots-says-gama-371036/
[2] 

 Can't say a bureaucrat's OK is worth much to me.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] (no subject)

[eckey]

 Hi Anthony

I'm currently travelling overseas and therefore unable to ring you.

May I suggest you contact 

rolf.schu...@alexander-schleicher.de

to find out whether he can help you.

If so, you need to act quicky as we will be shipping two ASH 31 Mi 
in a few weeks time. It represents an opportunity to get the parts
to Australia on the cheap!

Kind regards

Bernard

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[Aus-soaring] Goshawk Flies Through Tiny Spaces in Slo-Mo!

[eckey]

Hi everyone!

Please enjoy the enclosed youtube video!

Kind regards to all!

Bernard

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CFckjfP-1Efeature=youtube_gdata_player


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[Aus-soaring] Fwd: Push The Limit - Soaring Above The Alps

[eckey]

Hello all!

Please enjoy!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc7xDhaxMtAfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 Kind regards to all

Bernard Eckey

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[Aus-soaring] Fwd: Soaring

[eckey]

 Hi all

PLEASE ENJOY!!!

Bernard Eckey

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Re: [Aus-soaring] rigging controls checks (Foka etc)

[eckey]

Mike and others

Please let me help by providing some background information.

Soon after the duplicate inspection was introduced I discussed the 
issue with a senior GFA airworthiness person and voiced my concern 
about this new requirement. 
The GFA acted on my approach. About a year later I was asked 
to attend one of the annual RTO (A) meetings in Melbourne where this 
topic was high on the agenda. In an introduction the chairman pointed 
out that CASA wanted GFA to apply standard GA procedures and 
amend their documentation accordingly. GFA decided to comply with 
the CASA request. 
In a nutshell, this is how the issue evolved. 

In my presentation I focused primarily on the operational problems but

also raised some of the issues already discussed here. The legal 
implications were only just touched on at the time.
The meeting felt that the duplicate inspection was especially
troublesome 
for pilots who want to operate their self launching gliders on their
own and 
away from an established gliding infrastructure.

I then proposed a solution. It was deemed workable and was
subsequently 
adopted. The meeting proceeded to draft a change to the regulations
but 
I'm unable to say where the issue got bogged.  

Kind regards to all

Bernard Eckey   

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 At 02:14 PM 17/05/2011, you wrote:
 Tim and others
 
 My belief is that the requirement to have a second inspection 
 performed and signed for is a consequence of an item in the Civil 
 Aviation Regulations requiring a duplicate inspection if, in the 
 course of maintenance, a control circuit is disconnected in any 
 aircraft. And that duplicate inspection must be signed for by the 
 person who does it.

 Terrific. NOBODY seems to know for sure where this requirement came 
 from. It wasn't around before 2002. Will somebody who knows for sure 
 please let us all know?

 Since when did rigging a glider out of its trailer become 
 maintenance? It is really normal OPERATIONS due to the nature of the 
 aircraft. In most of the gliding world most gliders live in trailers 
 and it is usual to rig each day or each weekend.

 The control systems are design to be broken and re-assembled at 
 specific points which are inspectable after the controls have been 
 hooked up. This is definitely not the same as dis-assembly of parts 
 of the control circuit that are not accessible or inspectable during 
 a pre flight check. In some gliders the glider must actually be 
 partially de rigged to inspect the control hookups after rigging. The

 Nimbus 3DM is one so it wouldn't be a case of a second inspector 
 coming along after rigging, he or she would need to be present during

 the process. Is his independent? I could also argue that the second

 inspection is likely to result in the interruption of other people's 
 pre flight preparation with attendant risks.

 It seems other major gliding countries do not have a second signature

 after rigging requirement, probably in recognition of the special 
 nature of sailplane operations. The BGA doesn't. The FAA of the US 
 has a specific waiver against a second inspection for sailplanes. It 
 was briefly considered by some after a Genesis lost its tailplane as 
 the tug went to full throttle at a Nationals but quickly dismissed on

 the grounds that nobody would be dumb enough to sign. If it doesn't 
 get signed for, it didn't happen.

 Some feel they are happier if a second person inspects after rigging,

 some are happier if nobody else goes near the controls after they 
 have personally inspected their own work. This should be a matter of 
 personal preference not a rule exposing innocent bystanders to legal 
 risk and pilots and glider owners to risk their hull and third party 
 insurance in the event they cannot find someone to provide a second
signature.

 I thought the GFA was formed so that gliding would not be subject to 
 rules from the rest of aviation that were stupid, unnecessary and 
 inappropriate for the nature of gliding operations. It seems I was
mistaken.

 So what's next? Ban all single seat gliders because pilots cannot be 
 trusted to make the right in flight decisions on their own?

 Ponder the nature of the insurance coverage for your actions in 
 providing a second inspection. It is the GFA BBL. Not only will you 
 be facing possible legal action from the deceased's family(in the 
 event of death but also there's the possibility of the pilot suing 
 you over injury or damage to his glider) you'll be suing the BBL 
 insurer to get him to pay out. Ask the Lake Keepit Club about what 
 happened after the BBL declined to cover one of their instructors on 
 a minor technicality. They won, eventually, but their out of pocket 
 legal expenses

Re: [Aus-soaring] Tug tow rope reeling in kit operation

[eckey]

Hi Roger

One of my customers fitted such a tow rope retraction system to his
Super Dimona.

His operational experience was very positive but if my memory serves
me correctly he 
reluctantly removed it as it restricted the storage capacity in the
luggage compartment. 

Kind regards

Bernard Eckey

PS: Please feel free to ring me on 08 84492871after my return in July.

 

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 Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 3:15
 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
 Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tug tow rope reeling in kit  operation

 I was wondering if there was any operator in Australia already
employing 
 Tost tow rope reeling in kit with their tug aircraft so as to retract

 the rope for descent  landing.

 How has the experience been both in regard to the equipment fitted to

 the tug and also the operational benefits/problems?

 Reply to group or privately as you feel.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Re NZ ASH on youtube.

[eckey]

Hi Derrek

I agree, the comment that the glider can be loaded with water ballast
to 1.2 tons appears to be a mistake 
on the part of the air show commentator. After fliying with Terry
Delore in this particular ASH 25 I can 
confirm that it was not modified to carry more water ballast.

But more than anything else this episode highlights the dangerous
practice of jumping to conclusions (and 
mistaking a deliberately incuced wing flex for flutter) after just a
very superficial observation. 

Terry would never continue with an aerobatic display after
experiencing flutter. He is a very responsible 
pilot and didn't set some 20 or so world records without knowing what
he is doing! 

Kind regards to all!

Bernard

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 At 1:53:
 Maximum weight of this glider when fully loaded on a World record
with 2
 pilots and water ballast is 1.2 tons

 I bet that's a test condition that the designer didn't envisage...

 Is the glider modified, or was that comment hyperbole or ignorance?

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 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Re NZ ASH on youtube.

 At 05:50 PM 4/05/2011, you wrote:
 Well Aerodynamicists, is it really fluttering after the anhederal? 
 Peter Heath -

 It looks like he had landing flap deployed then went to negative. In
the
 Schleicher gliders the landing flap transfers the lift to the inner
part of
 the wing and the tips then hang down or at higher speeds could even
lift
 downwards, hence the anhedral.

 Sure looks like flutter to me, initiated by the impulse of moving the
lift
 outboard suddenly. This probably isn't a test condition that the
designer
 envisaged.
 Fortunately the flutter was damped and ceased after a few
oscillations.

 Mike

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[Aus-soaring] Fwd: Fwd: Re: Fw: you tube

[eckey]

Hello all!

Feel free to have a look at the link I got from Terry Delore.
The video was taken during an air show in New Zealand.

Kind regards to all

Bernard

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To:wendy delore 
Cc:
Sent:Sun, 1 May 2011 20:22:27 +1200
Subject:Fw: you tube

FYI ASH25mi display Omaka Air show Easter 2011   Click on the link
below. - Original Message - FROM: abbey delore [1]  TO: terry
delore [2]  SENT: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:44 PM SUBJECT: you tube 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUIidefCaA8 [3]   Youtube vid someone
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Re NZ ASH on youtube.

[eckey]

Hello Mike, hello all!

Sorry guys, I should have provided some background information to
prevent a lot of unnecessary 
e-mail correspondence.

Terry was trying to impress air show crowd by demonstrating the
strength and flexibility of a modern
glider wing. He simply cycled the flap lever very rapidly several
times and in quick succession. By doing 
so he deliberately induced a wing flex that is well within the
capabilities of the aircraft. In other words, 
NO FLUTTER AT ALL!

Once again, please accept my appology for failing to explain this in
the first place.

Kind regards to all!

Bernard

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 At 05:50 PM 4/05/2011, you wrote:
 Well Aerodynamicists, is it really fluttering after the anhederal? 
 Peter Heath -

 It looks like he had landing flap deployed then went to negative. In 
 the Schleicher gliders the landing flap transfers the lift to the 
 inner part of the wing and the tips then hang down or at higher 
 speeds could even lift downwards, hence the anhedral.

 Sure looks like flutter to me, initiated by the impulse of moving the

 lift outboard suddenly. This probably isn't a test condition that the

 designer envisaged.
 Fortunately the flutter was damped and ceased after a few
oscillations.

 Mike

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Re: [Aus-soaring] 1980 Komet Trailer

[eckey]

  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Hi 
Grant 
 In cases like this you can put all your trust in the Komet agent!!! 
 If you let me know whether you have a steel or aluminium frame under 
the lid I will be able to help! 
 Kind regards 
 Bernard 
 On Wed 14/07/10  2:57 PM , Grant Hudson granthuds...@gmail.com sent: 
 Hi all,   anyone have the technical specifications for the gas 
struts used on a 1980 Komet glass top clamshell trailer? Ones failed 
on our LS4 trailer and the labels can't be read.   Regards, Grant. 
 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Szeged Blog

[eckey]

 Hello Greg, hello all! 
 
 Good luck to the entire Aussie team! I will keep my fingers crossed 
for you. 
 
 Bernard Eckey 
 
 On Wed 07/07/10 9:24 AM , Greg Schmidt gregschm...@optusnet.com.au 
sent: 
 For those who wish to follow the Comp in Szeged for the Flapped 
Worlds blog is http://aussieglidingteam2010.blogspot.com [1] 
 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Awards 2010 and RANGA Scholarship

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 Hi Tim 
 
 I'm currently in Germany and only scheduled to return on 11.8.2010. 
 Please accept my claim for a 1116 km FAI triangle flight as per 
report in Soaring Australia. 
 
 Kind regards 
 
 Bernard 
 
 On Mon 21/06/10 8:28 PM , Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net 
sent: 
 
Hello all,  
 
I would like to remind everyone that the nomination period for GFA 
Awards is open, and will close on 31st July. Full details are 
available on the GFA website.  
 
In addition to the GFA Awards, there are three trophies - for the 
longest flight of the season (Wally Woods Trophy), the longest 
handicapped flight (Bob Irvine Trophy) and the greatest height gain 
(Martin Warner). If you know of anyone who may be in the running for 
these, could you ask them to send me a claim together with 
documentation of the flight (IGC file trace preferred).  
 
I would also like to remind you of the RANGA scholarship which is 
available to assist a young person to get a start in aviation by 
funding training at a local gliding club. Requests for nominations 
have been sent out in accordance with the rules of the scholarship and 
in particular I targeted Air Training Cadet organisations. The 
deadline for applications is 3rd July and I urge you to consider 
whether there are any potential recipients that you could encourage.  
 
Cheers  
 
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[Aus-soaring] e-mail address

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all, 
 I am currently in Germany and was wondering whether anyone could let 
me have 
 Ingo Renner's current e-mail address. 
 Kindly reply to 
 ec...@internode.on.net 
 Many thanks 
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[Aus-soaring] ASK 21

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 Good morning all 
 
 I'm currently in Germany where I just learned that Schleicher can 
make an ASK 21 available at very short notice. 
 The financial crisis is hurting some European clubs and is putting 
them in a difficult situation in regards to their  
 orders for new gliders.  
 In contrast Australia is enjoying a very strong currency which is 
making a fleet upgrade possible at prices seldom  
 seen before. This has not gone unnoticed by our customers! We have 
sold four ASK 21 in just 2 months and on  
 top of that we received the first order for the new ASH 31 Mi self 
launcher.  
 
 Please contact me off line if you would like additional information 
on the above mentioned ASK 21 opportunity. 
 
 Kind regards 
 
 Bernard Eckey 
 
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[Aus-soaring] ASG 29 opportunity

[eckey]

 

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Daer all 

I have just been told that two ASG 29 customers had to cancel their
order due to the current financial crisis. 

These delivery positions fall due in October and November of 2009.
The customers have lost their deposits  

which means that both aircraft attract a discount of 2 %. 

For further details please feel free to ring me on 08 84492871. 

I'm departing Germany today and I'm scheduled to arrive back in
Adelaide on Friday.   

Kind regards 

Bernard. 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tyre for Ka6

[eckey]

 Hi Dave!

 Please feel free to contact Mr. Rolf Schulze of Schleicher.
 rolf.schu...@alexander-schleicher.de

 The factory is proud of the fact that they still support gliders
built 50 years or so ago!

 Kind regards

 Bernard Eckey 

 On Thu 21/05/09 5:01 PM , Dave Donald dav...@kjross.com.au sent:

Does anyone know where I can get a tyre for a Ka6 – it’s a weird
4.95 x something. 

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[Aus-soaring] Maiden Flight of ASH 31 Mi.

[eckey]

 Hello all

 Yesterday the new ASH 31 Mi had its maiden flight from the little
airstrip 
 right behind the Schleicher factory. (self launching)

 For photos please klick on the link below:

 www.alexander-schleicher.de

 Kind regards

 Bernard
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Re: [Aus-soaring] ASG 29 Syndicate

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Hello all 

I’m currently in New Zealand where I have been approached by a
competition pilot keen to form a syndicate for an ASG 29E in
Australia. 

My contact requires access to the glider for up to 3 competitions in
Australia per year but will not utilize the glider otherwise. He
expects his partner(s) to look after the glider, perform an annual
inspection and keep it in airworthy condition at all times.  

If you are interested in pursuing the matter further please feel
free to contact me off line on: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

Kind regards 

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RE: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps

[B C Eckey]

Yes, Nick  you were too
subtle for me.



Sorry for getting the impression
that you were trying to have a go at me.





With kind regards



Bernard 





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 24 February 2005
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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW
State Comps





Maybe I was too subtle.











There were 5 titles at
Temora : Std -15m/Std -18m -Open/18m -Club.

















Nick.







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From: B  C Eckey 





To: 'Discussion of issues relating to
Soaring in Australia.' 





Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:19 PM





Subject: RE:
[Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps









Hi
Nick



I
guess there is no title for coming last but that doesnt alter the fact that 

Schleicher
pilots won three out of four titles at the recent NSW State comps 

at
Temora.



And
while I have your attention let me add that in some cases the margins 

were
quite considerable. The new ASW 28-18E, for example, finished almost 

10%
ahead, despite of the fact that it was flown by a relatively unexperienced 

competition
pilot who flew the aircraft for the very first time.

To
put these results into context, the new ASW 28-18E is an unflapped glider 

but
it still beat a fleet of predominantly flapped gliders including a number of 

Ventus
2cx.



No
wonder people are already queuing for the ASG 29. 





For further information visit: 



http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/englisch/e_main.htm





Bernard 







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State Comps





3 out of 4 Titles?? Are you
forgetting Club Class where schleicher gliders came last  second last?











Nick.







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Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:30 AM





Subject: [Aus-soaring]
NSW State Comps









Hi all



It has only just come to my
attention that Schleicher pilots won three out of four 

titles at the recent NSW State comps at
Temora.



18m Class  ASW
28-18E (Malcom Bruce)

15m Class  ASW 27
(Graham Parker)

Open Class  ASH 25
(Paul Mander) with Malcom Bruce in ASW 28-18E in 

second place.



On top of that, Graham
Parker was awarded the trophy for the fastest

flight of the competition.
I believe he did a speed of 145kph on one day.



Congratulations to all of
you. 



With kind regards

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Adelaide / South Australia

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[Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps

[B C Eckey]

Hi all



It has only just come to my attention that Schleicher pilots won three out of four 

titles at the recent
NSW State comps at Temora.



18m Class  ASW 28-18E (Malcom
Bruce)

15m Class  ASW 27 (Graham Parker)

Open Class  ASH 25 (Paul Mander)
with Malcom Bruce in ASW 28-18E in 

second place.



On top of that, Graham Parker was awarded the trophy
for the fastest

flight of the
competition. I believe he did a speed of 145kph on one day.



Congratulations to all of you. 



With kind
regards

Bernard
 Christel Eckey

10 Antigua Grove

West Lakes 5021

Adelaide / South Australia

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8449 2871

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RE: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps

[B C Eckey]

Hi Nick



I guess there is no title for
coming last but that doesnt alter the fact that 

Schleicher pilots won three out of four titles at the recent NSW State comps 

at Temora.



And while I
have your attention let me add that in some cases the margins 

were quite considerable. The new ASW 28-18E, for example, finished
almost 

10% ahead,
despite of the fact that it was flown by a relatively unexperienced 

competition pilot who flew the aircraft for the very first time.

To put these
results into context, the new ASW 28-18E is an unflapped
glider 

but it still beat a fleet of predominantly flapped gliders
including a number of 

Ventus 2cx.



No wonder
people are already queuing for the ASG 29. 





For further information visit:




http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/englisch/e_main.htm





Bernard 







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 PM
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State Comps





3 out of 4 Titles?? Are you
forgetting Club Class where schleicher gliders came last  second last?











Nick.







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From: B  C Eckey 





To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net






Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:30 AM





Subject: [Aus-soaring]
NSW State Comps









Hi all



It has only just come to my
attention that Schleicher pilots won three out of four 

titles at the recent NSW State comps at
Temora.



18m Class  ASW
28-18E (Malcom Bruce)

15m Class  ASW 27
(Graham Parker)

Open Class  ASH 25
(Paul Mander) with Malcom Bruce in ASW 28-18E in 

second place.



On top of that, Graham
Parker was awarded the trophy for the fastest

flight of the competition.
I believe he did a speed of 145kph on one day.



Congratulations to all of
you. 



With kind regards

Bernard  Christel Eckey

10 Antigua Grove

West Lakes 5021

Adelaide / South Australia

Ph. +61 8 8449 2871

Fax +61 8 8242 3698

mobile 0412 981204

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: [Aus-soaring] Magazine front cover photos

[BC Eckey]

Title: Magazine front cover photos









Hi
David 



I can see nothing wrong with the proposed
article.

For some time I have been thinking about
an article for Soaring 

Australia.

Perhaps we should talk about it when we
meet at Temora.





With kind regards

Bernard  Christel Eckey

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West Lakes 5021

Adelaide / South Australia

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Subject: [Aus-soaring] Magazine
front cover photos



Any of you photo buffs, I'd appreciate your comments
and suggestions on the article below appearing in the January issue

Cheers 

David 

SOARING AUSTRALIA FRONT COVER PHOTOGRAPHS 
At the GFA AGM/ACM held over the
weekend of the 11/12th September, the new GFA Marketing and
Development committee identified improving the quality and consistency of the
front cover photographs of the Soaring Australia magazine as a worthwhile
exercise. In addition it was recognised that the actual cost and time
associated with setting up for and getting that one great shot was quite
significant. Accordingly the GFA will now pay $150 for any photographs
published on the front cover. There is also an award presented at the AGM/ACM
each year for the best SA cover photograph, and to provide incentive for
members a cash prize of $250 for the best photograph will also be presented. 

Please consult your clubs airworthiness or
operations personnel regarding camera mounts and any other issues associated
with setting up for the session. All issues must be carefully considered and
pre-organised beforehand.

The quality of the photographs is vital. Slides or
negatives will be preferred over a 5x4 print for example which will not
reproduce satisfactorily. The front cover requires a resolution of at least
3000x2000, so if you are using a digital camera that means at least a 5 Mega
pixel camera, although with some processing good results can be achieved with
lower resolutions. Digital photographs should be provided, in order of
preference, in RAW, TIFF or JPEG format with minimal compression. 

Note that the front cover is a portrait so digital
photos taken in landscape will need to be cropped which significantly reduces
their resolution and quality. Ideally, frame the photo as a portrait to avoid
this. 

Details including the date, location, names of
photographer and pilots, aircraft and a description of the equipment used to
take the photo must be provided.

Digital images on CD and slides or negatives can be
posted to me at the address below. Reduced size digital images can be emailed
to me at the address below for preview or comment.

All photographs provided may be published on the GFA
website photo gallery or in future GFA calendars with acknowledgment of course. 

So, get those cameras out and lets see if we
cant smarten up the front cover of our magazine! 
David Conway
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RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model

[BC Eckey]

Yes Chris,

but the price for the ASG 29 is firm for a delivery 
in 2006.  
When you add in two Ventus price increases for 
2005 and 2006 plus 3400 Euro worth of options
that come as standard with a Schleicher glider you 
finish up with the same price. (perhaps even better)

When a 15m ASW 27 can keep up with an 18m Ventus2cx
just imagine what a 18m ASG 29 can do. After all, the 
ASG 29 basically retains all the great features of 
the ASW 27 but offers the option of 18m wings and an 
engine. 


Happy Soaring

Bernard  Christel Eckey
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West Lakes 5021
Adelaide / South Australia
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Fax +61 8 8242 3698
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Seeing we are comparing gliders, I might add that for about Euro 10,000
less than Schleichers price for the ASG29, you can buy a brand new
Ventus 2Cx (base model ex factory), which has proven itself quite
dominantly at the latest Aussie nationals.

Chris

Ohh PS. For those that don't know, there is now also a new Discus 2 out
in an 18m version. (The price has not been set for that yet though, just
in case you ask, Mike. ;-) ) - check out www.schempp-hirth.com



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Hi Mike

For just over Euro 70k you can have one. This price is 
even firm for a delivery in 2006.

This amount of money gets you a COMPLETE aircraft ex works.
It includes 3400 Euro (approx $6000) worth of goodies that 
you need to add to the list price of other manufacturers 
when conducting a price comparison.

Kind regards

Bernard 
 
 

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At 01:32 PM 8/11/04 +1030, you wrote:
Dear all Although the latest Schleicher model was only
announced a week ago  we have already sold the first ASG 29 for
delivery in
2006. For those of you wanting to know a bit more I have enclosed
some
info. 

So what is the price? All up with the optional extras like wings and
tailplanes.

Mike


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RE: [Aus-soaring] Schleicher announces new model

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Hi Mike

For just over Euro 70k you can have one. This price is 
even firm for a delivery in 2006.

This amount of money gets you a COMPLETE aircraft ex works.
It includes 3400 Euro (approx $6000) worth of goodies that 
you need to add to the list price of other manufacturers 
when conducting a price comparison.

Kind regards

Bernard 
 
 

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At 01:32 PM 8/11/04 +1030, you wrote:
Dear all Although the latest Schleicher model was only
announced a week ago  we have already sold the first ASG 29 for
delivery in
2006. For those of you wanting to know a bit more I have enclosed
some
info. 

So what is the price? All up with the optional extras like wings and
tailplanes.

Mike


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[Aus-soaring] Gawler Week

[BC Eckey]

Dear Friends



Andrew Wright has asked me to post the following
advertisement:



GAWLER
WEEK  A week of fun cross-country flying, coaching and 

training.
December 26th to 30th 2004. At the Gawler Airfield.

FEATURING:

Great
fun flying !

Excellent
Weather ( I
promise! )

Morning Briefings.

Afternoon
debriefs in the BAR.

Lunches
available form the best bakery on planet earth.

Evening
meals at a pub in Gawler is sufficient interest.

Your
choice of a short fun task, a longer more challenging task or do 

your
own thing.

Contact
Andrew Wright on 08 8303 4648 or 0427 976 779 or by return 

email
for more information.

ANDREW
 WRIGHT





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[Aus-soaring] SAGA Lectures

[BC Eckey]

Dear Friends



Just a quick
reminder that the next SAGA winter lecture will be presented 

by Assoc. Prof. Dr. Jorg Hacker on Wednesday night.
(27.10.2004) 



The topic is 20 years of atmospheric research using
motorised gliders

- examples and outlook.



As usual we will
meet at 19:30 in
room N123 (first floor) at the Engineering 

North Building of Adelaide University. If you attend for the first time and have 

difficulties finding us please feel free to ring Andrew Wright on
0427 976779 

or 83034648.



It should be a very
interesting night - dont miss it!!!



Bernard Eckey

RTO Sports for SA
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RE: [Aus-soaring] Martin Simons' Book

[BC Eckey]

Hello
Grant



We have been asked to handle the
distributorship for Australia and NZ

and are pleased to advise that the book is available for $108.90 plus 

$10.00 postage and handling from the
address below.





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gidday
can anyone tell me where / how I can obtain a copy of Martin
 Simons' book Sailplanes
1965-2000?
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RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)

[BC Eckey]

John, you are right.

In the second paragraph of my posting it should have read 
Puchatek and not Puchacz.

My sincere apologies.

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Bernard, I think there may be some confusion in your mind regaring the
Puchacz

Quote

the A/C was taken out of service well before reaching its
3000 hr limit due to an ever growing number of loose
rivets.

Today - a mere 6 years later - the value of the A/C is
down to scrap metal.

Unquote

The SZD-50-3 Puchacz is a Glass aircraft with not much metal!
Are you perhaps thinking of a Puchatek, which is an all metal machine
and
not (as far as I am aware part of this discussion thread regarding spin
problems)

John Parncutt

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Today I will break from tradition and stick my beak in
fully expecting to be shot down in flames because of my
background as SCHLEICHER agent in Australia, NZ and
Japan.

The sad track record of the Puchacz is an ever growing
list of approx. 40 dead glider pilots with the same
number of grieving spouses/mothers.
To me it is very difficult to understand why there are
still pilots on this list who in all seriousness defend
this aircraft and call it a trainer. In some overseas
countries the A/C got the name Widow maker
GA aircraft with such an appalling loss ratio would get
their C of A withdrawn.

Apart from the technical shortcomings there is also the
commercial aspect.
A well known Australian gliding club purchased a Puchacz
only about 6 years ago. Although hardly winch-launched
the A/C was taken out of service well before reaching its
3000 hr limit due to an ever growing number of loose
rivets.
At the time the club dismissed the ASK 21 because it is
too expensive. A Polish 2-seater was purchased instead
for half price but with a 3000 hrs service limit.
Today - a mere 6 years later - the value of the A/C is
down to scrap metal.

For twice the money the club could have got an ASK 21 with
18000 hours, twice as nice to fly, much better performance
and handling, no nasty spin habits, aerobatic capabilities
and a maintenance record second to none.

Now, you work that out!!!

Bernard Eckey
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Polish gliders seem to require correct spin recovery rather than
allowing you to get away with just using one control.  I wonder if this
has something to do with the Puchacz problem.

I met someone in a wheelchair in Germany who was there because of a spin
accident.

-Cath

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Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)

Yes Harry I agree, accidental spinning at low altitude is the real
danger
and we must never lose focus that the reason for its training is to
ensure
that pilots can recover quickly in an emergency. I also believe the real
emphasis should be the training of recognising and recovering from the
incipient stages.

I well remember one most horrific things I have ever seen was watching
(from
above) a Cirrus entering an accidental spin on joining downwind. he did
a
full orbit and from my vantage point I was sure he was going to crash,
thank
god he managed to recover and then in an obviously very shocked and
disorientated state proceeded to stretch out his circuit to make it back
to
the flight line and nearly came to grief doing that!

I personally don't enjoy extended spinning practice, I don't think it
serves
much purpose, I'd rather be climbing in a thermal than wasting all that
height!

I must confess to being rather puzzled by the bad record of the Puchaz
in
regard to spin accidents especially overseas. As I mentioned before I
have
found it to be the most docile and predictable in its characteristics of
any
two seat glider I have ever flown. Perhaps there may lay the problem, a
false sense of security

RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)

[BC Eckey]

Today I will break from tradition and stick my beak in
fully expecting to be shot down in flames because of my 
background as SCHLEICHER agent in Australia, NZ and 
Japan.

The sad track record of the Puchacz is an ever growing
list of approx. 40 dead glider pilots with the same 
number of grieving spouses/mothers. 
To me it is very difficult to understand why there are 
still pilots on this list who in all seriousness defend 
this aircraft and call it a trainer. In some overseas 
countries the A/C got the name Widow maker 
GA aircraft with such an appalling loss ratio would get
their C of A withdrawn. 

Apart from the technical shortcomings there is also the
commercial aspect. 
A well known Australian gliding club purchased a Puchacz
only about 6 years ago. Although hardly winch-launched 
the A/C was taken out of service well before reaching its 
3000 hr limit due to an ever growing number of loose 
rivets.
At the time the club dismissed the ASK 21 because it is
too expensive. A Polish 2-seater was purchased instead
for half price but with a 3000 hrs service limit. 
Today - a mere 6 years later - the value of the A/C is 
down to scrap metal. 

For twice the money the club could have got an ASK 21 with
18000 hours, twice as nice to fly, much better performance
and handling, no nasty spin habits, aerobatic capabilities
and a maintenance record second to none. 

Now, you work that out!!!   

Bernard Eckey
10 Antigua Grove
West Lakes 5021
Adelaide / South Australia
Ph. +61 8 8449 2871
Fax +61 8 8242 3698
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Catherine Conway
Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2004 9:41 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)

Polish gliders seem to require correct spin recovery rather than
allowing you to get away with just using one control.  I wonder if this
has something to do with the Puchacz problem.

I met someone in a wheelchair in Germany who was there because of a spin
accident.

-Cath

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To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)

Yes Harry I agree, accidental spinning at low altitude is the real
danger
and we must never lose focus that the reason for its training is to
ensure
that pilots can recover quickly in an emergency. I also believe the real
emphasis should be the training of recognising and recovering from the
incipient stages.

I well remember one most horrific things I have ever seen was watching
(from
above) a Cirrus entering an accidental spin on joining downwind. he did
a
full orbit and from my vantage point I was sure he was going to crash,
thank
god he managed to recover and then in an obviously very shocked and
disorientated state proceeded to stretch out his circuit to make it back
to
the flight line and nearly came to grief doing that!

I personally don't enjoy extended spinning practice, I don't think it
serves
much purpose, I'd rather be climbing in a thermal than wasting all that
height!

I must confess to being rather puzzled by the bad record of the Puchaz
in
regard to spin accidents especially overseas. As I mentioned before I
have
found it to be the most docile and predictable in its characteristics of
any
two seat glider I have ever flown. Perhaps there may lay the problem, a
false sense of security causing pilots to experiment with spinning at
lower
altitudes than they would have in less forgiving aircraft.

John Parncutt
VMFG


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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:51 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)


John,

You are right, spins in an IS 28 can be unpleasant and not willingly
practised without a lot of air underneath you. I have not flown a Puchaz
but
the statistics say it all. If anyone has precise figures, then let us
all
know but I understand it is about the worst of any current training
glider.
Spinning accidents don't normally happen at altitude, it is the ones
close
to the ground that cause the accidents. Training at altitude undertaking
a
number of turns might be fun but I doubt if it saves many lives. What is
needed is plenty of practice at instantly taking the appropriate
recovery
action when a spin is developing and, yes, preferably when and if the
real
thing happens, you are flying a docile glider.

Why make life harder than we need to?

Harry Medlicott

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[Aus-soaring] SAGA Winter lecture series

[BC Eckey]

Just a quick
reminder that the next SAGA winter lecture will be presented by Bernard

Eckey on Wednesday night. (22.9.2004) 



The topic is
Thermals and thermalling.



As usual we will
meet at 19:30 in
room N123 (first floor) at the Engineering North Building of 

Adelaide University. If you attend for the first time and have difficulties finding us
please feel 

free to ring Andrew Wright on 0427 976779 or 83034648.



It should be a very
interesting night - dont miss it!!!



Bernard Eckey

RTO Sports for SA
 NT





Bernard
 Christel Eckey

10 Antigua Grove

West Lakes 5021

Adelaide / South Australia

Ph. +61 8
8449 2871

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[Aus-soaring] SAGA winter lecture

[BC Eckey]

Just a quick reminder that
the next SAGA winter lecture will be presented by, Frank Johann

And Sid Nankevill tomorrow night. ( Wednesday 25.8.2004) 



The topic is Navigation
for glider pilots but on top of that we have a little surprise for you.



As usual we will meet at 19:30 in room N123 (first floor) at the Engineering North Building of 

Adelaide University. If you attend for the first time and have
difficulties finding us please feel 

free to ring Andrew Wright on 0427 976779 or 83034648.



It should be a very
interesting night - dont miss it!!!



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[Aus-soaring] SAGA Winter lectures

[Chris Eckey]

Just a quick reminder that
the next SAGA winter lecture will be presented by P. Ritchie, 

A. Wright and Grant Hudson
tomorrow night. ( Wednesday 28.7.2004) 



The topic is Preparing
for the soaring season but Phil and Andrew will also provide feedback 

on the recent world comps in Norway.



As usual we will meet at 19:30 in room N123 at the Chemical Engineering Building of
Adelaide 

University. If you attend for the first time and have
difficulties finding us please feel free to ring 

Andrew on
83034648.



It should be a very
interesting night - dont miss it!!!



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[Aus-soaring] Container space

[Chris Eckey]

One of our customers is
shipping a new ASW 27 from Germany

to Brisbane in September 2004. 



Parties interested in sharing
container space can make contact

with Bernard Eckey on (08) 8449 2871 or 0412 981 204.



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RE: [Aus-soaring] Best glider for a heavy neophyte

[Chris Eckey]

Hello Boyd



If you contact me off line and let me have
your contact 

details I will submit a set of brochures on single and twin 

seat self launching gliders.



Kind regards



Bernard Eckey



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Sent: Friday, 26 March 2004 5:11
PM
To: Discussion of issues relating
to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Best glider
for a heavy neophyte





Yesterday I took
off in a glider for the first time, and I loved it.











I have been flying
powered aircraft for almost 40 years, and have twice landed in a glider, but
yesterday's take-off was my very first.











What's the best
self-launching glider for a big heavy bloke?











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RE: [Aus-soaring] C201 Marianne

[BC Eckey]

Hello Anthony

I'm not sure but I think the Gympie gliding club placed an order 
for the aircraft but changed to an ASK 21 after being told that 
the A/C is no longer in production.

Bernard

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Hi all,

I recall a recent message (circa Christmas -New Year) where
someone brought a C201 Marianne into Oz.  I am interested to
find out what they think of the aircraft (or from anyone
else with experience on the type).

Regards

Anthony
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RE: [Aus-soaring] What a day??

[BC Eckey]

Hello Leigh

Yours truly did 1100km in the ASH25 but only
made it because of a final glide climb on the
approaching front.

By the way, the cumulus clouds were more like 
13000ft in the mid north of the state.

Bernard 

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Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2003 9:40 PM
To: Soaring List
Subject: [Aus-soaring] What a day??

Hi All,

It was a stinker in Melbourne and even hotter in Adelaide. From
Melbourne there appeared to be Cu from horizon to horizon.

As we climbed out of Tullamarine on the 1745 to Adelaide, we passed
through the base of the Cu at 12000 abeam Bacchus Marsh.

We were tooling along at 400kts ground speed at FL390 in the tops of the
cirrus. Through the gaps in the cirrus, I could see the Cu continuing
all the way to at least abeam Bordertown. Sitting on the left side, I
couldn't see what was happening in the northern sector as we approached
the coastal area of the Coorong. Turning towards Adelaide, we descended
through the Cu at FL150 to FL160.

Walking across the Adelaide tarmac, the Cu was still active at 1830
local, all the way north.

A day you seem to have been able to have gone anywhere in a glider. As
it wasn't me, did anyone have the chance to use what appeared to be the
best soaring day in years?

If so, let's hear about it.

Leigh Bunting
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South Australia
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[Aus-soaring] Gerhard Waibel's presentation

[BC Eckey]

Dear Friends,

I have good news and bad news for you.



The good news is that Gerhard Waibel is
presenting his paper 

GLIDERS OF THE FUTURE as planned at Adelaide Uni

at 7.30 pm on Thursday 30th
of October.



The bad news is that due to time constraints he was thinking of 

cancelling his visit to SA. However, I asked former
World Champion

Brad Edwards to fly Gerhard to Adelaide in his
private aircraft.

Brad has agreed and although he regards this service as a 

contribution to the gliding movement he has suggested
that at least

a modest part of the costs is refunded to him. 

As a result you will be asked to make a small donation.



Looking forward to seeing you all at 7.30 pm on 30.10. in
front of the

Engineering North building at Adelaide Uni.
(if you are late or if

you cant find us feel free to ring me on 0412 981
204)



Regards

Bernard








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[aus-soaring] A treat for all glider pilots in South Australia

[BC Eckey]

Hello Friends,



We have the great pleasure of calling the famous glider
designer Gerhard

Waibel our guest while he is on a private tour through Australia and NZ.

Gerhard has kindly agreed to present his paper
Gliders of the future

at Adelaide
 University
at 7-30 pm on Thursday 30.10.2003.



Andrew Wright has already organised lecture room N
218 in the 

Engineering North Building for Gerhards presentation.



Please bring drinks or nibbles to
share.



This should be a great night enabling glider pilots
of this state to get

a glimpse
into the future of glider design.



Gerhard and I really look forward to seeing all of
you there.



Bernard Eckey 

Re: [aus-soaring] Schleicher Fire?

[Eckey]

Hello Nick,
As a bit of information to all Australian glider pilots I can confirm
that the fire at the Schleicher factory was contained within the
final assembly plant.
The main production plant was not affected and no moulds or
other production facilities were damaged.
The final assembly plant will be re-build during the forthcoming
works holidays and no delivery delays are expected.
Regards
Chris Eckey
Sole Australian Agent for SCHLEICHER
Nick Gilbert wrote:

Has
anyone heard anything about a fire at the Schleicher factory?Nick.

Re: [aus-soaring] Image Gallery

[Bernhard Eckey]

- Original Message - 
From: Nick Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:37 PM
Subject: [aus-soaring] Image Gallery


 All,
 
 Another image gallery has been added to the GFA webpage. If you go to 
 www.gfa.org.au and click on 'Image Gallery', you will now be presented 
 with a choice of two. 
 
 If anyone would like a larger copy of an image in the Temora gallery, 
 please let me know. The photos were taken by David  Cathy Conway 
 (mainly Cath I think, nice camera!), Kerrie Claffey, Robert Hart, and 
 Brian Wade.
 
 Regards,
 
 Nick Gilbert
  
  
 
 
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Re: [aus-soaring] Congrats to Bernard - wonderful day in SA

[Bernhard Eckey]

Thank you Cathy, thank you Andrew! 


Yes, it was goodday, although I never saw 
17000 and
itwas blue north of 
Blinman.

Doing almost 300 kliks in blue conditions over 
tiger 
country isn't 
mypreferredmethodof recreation on a 
Sunday afternoon. (and it never will 
be)

Thanks for the nice thought anyway and a very 
merry 
Christmas to you all.

Bernard EckeyPh. (08) 8356 8565 (W)Ph. 
(08) 8449 2871 (H)Fax (08) 8356 8705 (W)Fax (08) 8242 3698 
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  From: 
  Catherine 
  Conway 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:21 
  PM
  Subject: [aus-soaring] Congrats to 
  Bernard - wonderful day in SA
  
  
  
  Congratulations to 
  Bernard Eckey. 
  I heard he did 1000km today! 
  
  
  -Cath 
  

Re: [aus-soaring] Soaring Simulator

[Bernhard Eckey]

Thanks for that, Brian.

Bernard Eckey
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Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Soaring Simulator


 The site is at

 http://web.ukonline.co.uk/forsterlewis/soaring/krasnoff/krasnoff.html

 Have fun:-)


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 From: Bernhard Eckey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Soaring Simulator


  Hi All
 
  I keep getting messages about fabulous Soaring Simulator
  speeds.
 
  Could someone let me in on their secret and let me know
  how I can have some fun too
 
  Bernard Eckey
  Ph. (08) 8356 8565 (W)
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  From: Peter Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Soaring Simulator
 
 
   This soaring simulator is very addictive
  
   my best speed on the practice day in the ASW22 was 115.1km/hr and in
the
   ASW28 it was 107.1 km/hr
  
   maybe we should hold a Soaring Simulator competition on Aus Soaring,
 this
   could be a worlds first.
  
   Peter Robinson
   IUS Nimbus 2
  
   From: John Orton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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   Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:47:31 +0800
   
   Hi All,
   My results for the Krasnoff simulator
   
   From day 4 onwards they are single attempts.
   
   practice J Orton 2002-10-23 ASW-28 91.2 km/h
   1 J Orton 2002-10-23 ASW-28 111.3 km/h
   2 J Orton 2002-10-30 ASW-28 103.4 km/h
   3 J Orton 2002-10-30 ASW-28 85.1 km/h
   4 J Orton 2002-11-1 ASW-28 88.1 km/h
   5 J Orton 2002-11-1 ASW-28 56.9 km/h
   6 J Orton 2002-11-1 ASW-28 108.1 km/h
   7 J Orton 2002-11-1 ASW-28 114.7 km/h
   
  
  
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Re: [aus-soaring] Soaring Simulator

[Bernhard Eckey]

Hi All

I keep getting messages about fabulous Soaring Simulator
speeds.

Could someone let me in on their secret and let me know
how I can have some fun too

Bernard Eckey
Ph. (08) 8356 8565 (W)
Ph. (08) 8449 2871 (H)
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Fax (08) 8242 3698 (H)
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Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Soaring Simulator


 This soaring simulator is very addictive

 my best speed on the practice day in the ASW22 was 115.1km/hr and in the
 ASW28 it was 107.1 km/hr

 maybe we should hold a Soaring Simulator competition on Aus Soaring, this
 could be a worlds first.

 Peter Robinson
 IUS Nimbus 2

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 Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Soaring Simulator
 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:47:31 +0800
 
 Hi All,
 My results for the Krasnoff simulator
 
 From day 4 onwards they are single attempts.
 
 practice J Orton 2002-10-23 ASW-28 91.2 km/h
 1 J Orton 2002-10-23 ASW-28 111.3 km/h
 2 J Orton 2002-10-30 ASW-28 103.4 km/h
 3 J Orton 2002-10-30 ASW-28 85.1 km/h
 4 J Orton 2002-11-1 ASW-28 88.1 km/h
 5 J Orton 2002-11-1 ASW-28 56.9 km/h
 6 J Orton 2002-11-1 ASW-28 108.1 km/h
 7 J Orton 2002-11-1 ASW-28 114.7 km/h
 


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Re: [aus-soaring] Bernard Eckey ~ Weight and Speed to fly?

[Bernhard Eckey]

Hi Alan!

I see Miles Gore Brown has already volunteered to dig into his
archives and submit tables for the Jantar. GREAT

Please keep in mind that the optimum speed to fly is NOT related
to thermal strength but to your achieved rate of climb. The next few
issues of Soaring Australia will contain a few hints for extracting
the maximum rate of climb from a given thermal.

Sure, speed to fly is an issue - but not as important as most pilots
think. More or less the same applies to water ballast. Getting your
speed to fly wrong by 10 % or misjudging your optimum wing
loading by 10 % is only going to result in an overall speed reduction
of less than 1% (one percent).
The real race in a gliding contest is not in a horizontal but in a
vertical direction. Pilots who locate the strongest thermals and
work them in the most efficient manner usually have their nose in front.
(Unless of course they make some other blunders)

Bernard Eckey
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Subject: [aus-soaring] Bernard Eckey ~ Weight and Speed to fly?


 Bernard,

 I have been absorbing your articles on thermalling, wing loading etc., but
 am concerned that you will not discussed data as far as I desire before
the
 soaring season.

 The question are ~ assuming I achieve a rate of climb on the day:

 1. What is the preferred wing loading,

 2. Given that rate of climb, what would be the interthermal cruise speed
 [given a thermal climb and interthermal cruise regime]?

 Many will have flight director type computers, but those who don't could
 work from the block interthermal speed concept as a first approximation
[to
 be improved by street flying, avoiding sink etc.]

 Can someone fill in the attached table. or complete the table below,
 preferably for a Jantar Standard, but another standard glider would be a
 good first approximation


 For example a recent article by Colin Vassarotti had the following table.

 How Much to Use?

 Pilots should decide the optimum wing loading for a given task taking
 account of the forecast likely climb rate. The relationship of climb rate,
 wing loading and water ballast quantity for a Discus A sailplane weighing
 340 kilograms with pilot, parachute and other in cockpit equipment is
shown
 in the following table:

 Discus 340 kg dry

 Climb (kts)   2 3 4 5 6 7 8

 Wing ldg kg/sqm 32 36 40 43 45 47 50

 Litres   0 50 80 105 130 150 190

 [Crz Speed Kt not stated...

 Has anyone done the calculations on suggested interthermal cruise speed ?]


 As shown, on a day where 5 knot thermals are anticipated a Discus would be
 flown at a wing loading of 43 kgm/sqm.  Depending upon pilot weight and
the
 individual weight profile of the aircraft, this would need in the vicinity
 of 105 litres of water ballast.  For the same aircraft, if 8 knot climbs
are
 expected, the optimum wing loading would be 50 kgm/sqm requiring 190
litres
 of ballast.





 Alan Wilson
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Re: [aus-soaring] Boring last Sunday in Wee Waa

[Bernhard Eckey]

Hi Mark

Sounds like our flight in the ASH 25 was not a waste of time after all.

Bernard Eckey
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- Original Message - 
From: Mark Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Boring last Sunday in Wee Waa


 On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 11:11:07PM +1000, Philip Armytage wrote:
  
   Cheers and lets have some more boring spring stories!
 
 We've had a Westerly airstream over South Australia for most of the
 last week, which has brought us some pretty good flying weather: 
 Westerlies make our ridge work at AUGC.
 
 A few of us took a day off last Wednesday;  Between the three of us
 we clocked up nearly 7 hours of flying time.  Cu at 4,500' with a 
 4 kt thermal under every cloud made the going easy -- The ridge was
 going like gangbusters but we didn't care too much because the thermals
 were stronger and higher.
 
 There's something particularly satisfying about making a phone call
 from the cockpit in the middle of the week to tell someone else that 
 you're flying while they're at work :-)
 
 I went to Lochiel again on Saturday for a very similar day, except with
 3 kt thermals under Cu at between 3,000' and 3,500'.  I flew our Pik for
 about two and a half hours, with easy climbs to cloudbase.  One 
 particularly memorable Cu over the south end of our ridge was a boomer:
 It was an elongated cloud, about 10km long into wind.  Cruising at 60 kts
 in the Pik, the averager was showing 8 kts up 'til I neared cloudbase
 and it rained on me (bloody Virga - I guess it's one way to turn a 
 Pik 20D into an Arrow :-).  Wet wings put me into brick-mode, but the
 ridge was close enough to keep me up until they dried out.
 
 I finished off with some Bergfalke flying on the ridge at the end of
 the day after the thermals died out.  So I've clocked up almost 7 hours
 of flying from two days at AUGC;  not bad for spring time, hope it's
 an omen for the summer to come :-)
 
   - mark
 
 
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Re: [aus-soaring] Slimpack parachute wanted

[Bernhard Eckey]

Hello Anthony

I'm using a slimpack chute in my ASH 25, but the aircraft is designed for
a backpack type parachute.
I could be talked into getting a backpack but only if I get $1000 for my
slimpack.

Please let me know what you think.

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Subject: [aus-soaring] Slimpack parachute wanted


 Hi all

 Adelaide Uni GC is looking at buying a secondhand slimpack parachute.
Anyone
 know of one for sale?  If so, what condition and price?

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Re: [aus-soaring] Physiology of glider flight

[Bernhard Eckey]

Hi Noel

Can you fax me a copy as well?
Thank you very much.

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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Physiology of glider flight


 Michael.

 There are numerous articles in Aviation, Space and Environmental Medicine.
 There is a very real need to monitor personal heat stress levels in Egrett
 ops and I've adopted a sysstem USAF fighter pilots are required to comply
 with in this regard.

 If you or anyone else would like to view this (Fighter Index of Thermal
 Stress (FITS: Guidance for Hot-Weather Aircraft Operation I'm only to hapy
 to fax you a copy.

 Regards.

 Noel.




 At 11:35  31/5/02 +0930, you wrote:
 Dear List,
 
 There seems to be a paucity of published articles (searching Pub-MED)
about
 the physiology of gliding flight.
 
 Much of the research about heat stress has been done in a civil powered
 aviation or military aviation context.
 
 I think a cross country flight in a glider on a hot day in Australia
places
 significant physiological and psychological demands on the pilot.
 
 Does anybody know of any published research regarding calorie and fluid
 intake during soaring flight, as well as heat stress in a glider cockpit?
 Much of what is being said is anecdotal.
 
 Has there been any published work at the Australian institute of sport
 regarding this?
 
 What about the Germans, have they done much work?
 
 Private replies welcome,
 
 Michael
 
 
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Re: [aus-soaring] Boring Saturday in SA

[Bernhard Eckey]

Hi Peter
YBE did 873 km in 6.75 hours from takeoff to landing.
Balaklava-Blinman-Peterborough- Morgan- Waikerie- Balaklava.

Kind regards

 Bernard
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Subject: [aus-soaring] Boring Saturday in SA


 I flew out of Port Augusta in my Nimbus, taking a launch at 2pm with the
 temperature around 42 degrees.
 As I was crewing for 2 other gliders I had to ensure that I didn't
outland.

 I spent 3 hrs between 12,000 and 15,000ft at a cool 0.6 degrees outside.

 Did a leisurely 550km then went on a retrieve.


 What flights did other people do on Saturday in SA?
 Did FN out of Gawler achieve his 1000km attempt?

 Peter Robinson
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[aus-soaring] Re: Gel Coat

[Bernhard Eckey]

Perhaps the time has come to dispel the myth that different gel coats are 
used by any of the 4 major glider manufacturers.

Almost 10 years ago Schleicher opted for Scheuffler T35 gel coat and
so did all other German manufacturers. 
One of the first gliders with T35 gel coat imported into Australia is an 
ASH26E. (18 m self launcher - operated by a syndicate in Waikerie) 
When I looked at it recently its gel coat was not showing any signs of 
aging or deterioation and it has also retained its as new appearance. 
(and that includes its shiny surface)

Having said all of that I hasten to add that some manufacturers are now
offering an optional Polyurethan finish. I happen to know that a fair few
of the new gliders in Australia were finished in PU paint.
Only time will tell whether the owners made a wise decision.

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 -Original Message-
 From: John Welsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 22 October 2001 13:35
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] BORING BORING BORING BORING
 
 
 Latest pictures of Beverley's new ASK21 rolling out of Schleicher's.
 Should be with us in about six weeks, isn't it nice and shiny?
 
 http://vader.nw.com.au/~j.welsh/BSSASK21.htm
 
 Regards,
 
 John.




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