Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
Or any glider Mike! From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's At 01:43 PM 17/08/2011, you wrote: Another good weak weather glider Ron. ;] Imagine if they pulled 30KG of empty weight out of it. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
I think it is great that Schleicher has sold eleven ASG 29's in six weeks, i think it is great that Schempp's have had a lot of duo and Arcus sales over the last couple of years, i sure as hell hope that DG keeps its sales up, I think it is great that JS are up to number 30 odd already, I do not want to see any manufacturer go under, the more competition the better we will be for it. Ron On 17 August 2011 17:48, tom claffey to...@yahoo.com wrote: Or any glider Mike! From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's At 01:43 PM 17/08/2011, you wrote: Another good weak weather glider Ron. ;] Imagine if they pulled 30KG of empty weight out of it. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
Hello Tom, hello Mike An empty weight reduction is no longer a dream but reality. The empty weight of the ASG 29 is already a lot lower than any of its competitors but on top of that Schleicher offers a SL (Super Light) version. Using a more expensive (but substantionally lighter) composite lay-up allows the empty weight to be reduced by another 10 kg. I know that is nowhere near the 30 kg you are asking for but a big step in that direction. Kind regards to all! Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 1:19 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's Or any glider Mike! _ From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's At 01:43 PM 17/08/2011, you wrote: Another good weak weather glider Ron. ;] Imagine if they pulled 30KG of empty weight out of it. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
Ditto! I am hanging out for the 850kg/23M JS?!! From: Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's I think it is great that Schleicher has sold eleven ASG 29's in six weeks, i think it is great that Schempp's have had a lot of duo and Arcus sales over the last couple of years, i sure as hell hope that DG keeps its sales up, I think it is great that JS are up to number 30 odd already, I do not want to see any manufacturer go under, the more competition the better we will be for it. Ron On 17 August 2011 17:48, tom claffey to...@yahoo.com wrote: Or any glider Mike! From: Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's At 01:43 PM 17/08/2011, you wrote: Another good weak weather glider Ron. ;] Imagine if they pulled 30KG of empty weight out of it. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
Hi Adam Contrary to your advice I did check out the results of ther other classes. Since you elected to focus on 15 Meter class I have taken the liberty to bring up the 18 Meter results. a) The first two places went to ASG 29 Pilots b) There were six ASG 29 amongst the first 10 placegetters c) The very first V2 (flown by an ex world champion) finished only in 10th place. I ask all the others for forgiveness for bothering them with this trivial bit of news. It would not have been necessary if a slightly more balanced style of reporting had been applied in the first place. Kind regards to all Bernard PS: Apparently the ASH 30 prototype left a very good impression. Starting the engine when almost everyone else got home (and getting 48 points for the effort) did not see it on the podium but the feedback from the pilots and fellow competitors was overwhelmingly positive. _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:28 AM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.html Mmmm, Ventus 2's !! Don't worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
The e-mail I sent was literally meant to be a cheeky one, knew it'd cause a stir amongst readers. As I saw it, the comment to not to bother with the other classes basically meant - that most would, they'd see the full picture.. I noticed that the AS gliders were the machine of choice in 18m, they sure are a great machine! I just didn't want to admit it :) Safe Circles, WPP - Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail On 2011-08-16 10:50:38 + Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Adam Contrary to your advice I did check out the results of ther other classes. Since you elected to focus on 15 Meter class I have taken the liberty to bring up the 18 Meter results. a) The first two places went to ASG 29 Pilots b) There were six ASG 29 amongst the first 10 placegetters c) The very first V2 (flown by an ex world champion) finished only in 10th place. I ask all the others for forgiveness for bothering them with this trivial bit of news. It would not have been necessary if a slightly more balanced style of reporting had been applied in the first place. Kind regards to all Bernard PS: Apparently the ASH 30 prototype left a very good impression. Starting the engine when almost everyone else got home (and getting 48 points for the effort) did not see it on the podium but the feedback from the pilots and fellow competitors was overwhelmingly positive. _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:28 AM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.html Mmmm, Ventus 2's !! Don't worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
Yep, the Dwarf model Schemp is the machine of choice for 15M in crap conditions! After spending 3 weeks in a V2B I have a lot of respect for them, however for numerous reasons there is NFW I would trade my 29 for one! The 29 owners flew 18M so not many to compare. How many V2 -15s in Aus? I would like to try a 29 in 15M, however that class is dead in Australia for new gliders - 18M is the way to go! Bernard may be happy with Bruce's choice of glider for Uvalde next year! ;] Tom From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's The e-mail I sent was literally meant to be a cheeky one, knew it'd cause a stir amongst readers. As I saw it, the comment to not to bother with the other classes basically meant - that most would, they'd see the full picture.. I noticed that the AS gliders were the machine of choice in 18m, they sure are a great machine! I just didn't want to admit it :) Safe Circles, WPP - Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail On 2011-08-16 10:50:38 + Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Adam Contrary to your advice I did check out the results of ther other classes. Since you elected to focus on 15 Meter class I have taken the liberty to bring up the 18 Meter results. a) The first two places went to ASG 29 Pilots b) There were six ASG 29 amongst the first 10 placegetters c) The very first V2 (flown by an ex world champion) finished only in 10th place. I ask all the others for forgiveness for bothering them with this trivial bit of news. It would not have been necessary if a slightly more balanced style of reporting had been applied in the first place. Kind regards to all Bernard PS: Apparently the ASH 30 prototype left a very good impression. Starting the engine when almost everyone else got home (and getting 48 points for the effort) did not see it on the podium but the feedback from the pilots and fellow competitors was overwhelmingly positive. _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:28 AM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.html Mmmm, Ventus 2's !! Don't worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
Hi Tom Your e-mail prompted me to look at the results of the pre-worlds in Uvalde, USA. Bruce did exceptionally well. Apparently he flew an ASG 29 and managed to win six days out of eight. Later today I will write to him and congratulate him on the effort. I assume he has decided to fly an ASG 29 again at the world comps next year. Am I guessing correctly? If my information is correct the German national team has also made the switch from the Ventus 2 to the ASG 29. Feel free to have a look at the results of the German nationals (and the other nationals in Europe for that matter). Kind regards Bernard _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 12:33 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's Yep, the Dwarf model Schemp is the machine of choice for 15M in crap conditions! After spending 3 weeks in a V2B I have a lot of respect for them, however for numerous reasons there is NFW I would trade my 29 for one! The 29 owners flew 18M so not many to compare. How many V2 -15s in Aus? I would like to try a 29 in 15M, however that class is dead in Australia for new gliders - 18M is the way to go! Bernard may be happy with Bruce's choice of glider for Uvalde next year! ;] Tom _ From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's The e-mail I sent was literally meant to be a cheeky one, knew it'd cause a stir amongst readers. As I saw it, the comment to not to bother with the other classes basically meant - that most would, they'd see the full picture.. I noticed that the AS gliders were the machine of choice in 18m, they sure are a great machine! I just didn't want to admit it :) Safe Circles, WPP - Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail On 2011-08-16 10:50:38 + Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Adam Contrary to your advice I did check out the results of ther other classes. Since you elected to focus on 15 Meter class I have taken the liberty to bring up the 18 Meter results. a) The first two places went to ASG 29 Pilots b) There were six ASG 29 amongst the first 10 placegetters c) The very first V2 (flown by an ex world champion) finished only in 10th place. I ask all the others for forgiveness for bothering them with this trivial bit of news. It would not have been necessary if a slightly more balanced style of reporting had been applied in the first place. Kind regards to all Bernard PS: Apparently the ASH 30 prototype left a very good impression. Starting the engine when almost everyone else got home (and getting 48 points for the effort) did not see it on the podium but the feedback from the pilots and fellow competitors was overwhelmingly positive. _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:28 AM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.html Mmmm, Ventus 2's !! Don't worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
I have it on very good authority that the French team has just ordered a JS1!! Regards, Ron On 17 August 2011 00:29, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Tom Your e-mail prompted me to look at the results of the pre-worlds in Uvalde, USA. Bruce did exceptionally well. Apparently he flew an ASG 29 and managed to win six days out of eight. Later today I will write to him and congratulate him on the effort. I assume he has decided to fly an ASG 29 again at the world comps next year. Am I guessing correctly? If my information is correct the German national team has also made the switch from the Ventus 2 to the ASG 29. Feel free to have a look at the results of the German nationals (and the other nationals in Europe for that matter). Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 12:33 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's Yep, the Dwarf model Schemp is the machine of choice for 15M in crap conditions! After spending 3 weeks in a V2B I have a lot of respect for them, however for numerous reasons there is NFW I would trade my 29 for one! The 29 owners flew 18M so not many to compare. How many V2 -15s in Aus? I would like to try a 29 in 15M, however that class is dead in Australia for new gliders - 18M is the way to go! Bernard may be happy with Bruce's choice of glider for Uvalde next year! ;] Tom From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's The e-mail I sent was literally meant to be a cheeky one, knew it'd cause a stir amongst readers. As I saw it, the comment to not to bother with the other classes basically meant - that most would, they'd see the full picture.. I noticed that the AS gliders were the machine of choice in 18m, they sure are a great machine! I just didn't want to admit it :) Safe Circles, WPP - Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail On 2011-08-16 10:50:38 + Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Adam Contrary to your advice I did check out the results of ther other classes. Since you elected to focus on 15 Meter class I have taken the liberty to bring up the 18 Meter results. a) The first two places went to ASG 29 Pilots b) There were six ASG 29 amongst the first 10 placegetters c) The very first V2 (flown by an ex world champion) finished only in 10th place. I ask all the others for forgiveness for bothering them with this trivial bit of news. It would not have been necessary if a slightly more balanced style of reporting had been applied in the first place. Kind regards to all Bernard PS: Apparently the ASH 30 prototype left a very good impression. Starting the engine when almost everyone else got home (and getting 48 points for the effort) did not see it on the podium but the feedback from the pilots and fellow competitors was overwhelmingly positive. _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:28 AM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.html Mmmm, Ventus 2's !! Don't worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's
Another good weak weather glider Ron. ;] From: Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's I have it on very good authority that the French team has just ordered a JS1!! Regards, Ron On 17 August 2011 00:29, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Tom Your e-mail prompted me to look at the results of the pre-worlds in Uvalde, USA. Bruce did exceptionally well. Apparently he flew an ASG 29 and managed to win six days out of eight. Later today I will write to him and congratulate him on the effort. I assume he has decided to fly an ASG 29 again at the world comps next year. Am I guessing correctly? If my information is correct the German national team has also made the switch from the Ventus 2 to the ASG 29. Feel free to have a look at the results of the German nationals (and the other nationals in Europe for that matter). Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 12:33 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's Yep, the Dwarf model Schemp is the machine of choice for 15M in crap conditions! After spending 3 weeks in a V2B I have a lot of respect for them, however for numerous reasons there is NFW I would trade my 29 for one! The 29 owners flew 18M so not many to compare. How many V2 -15s in Aus? I would like to try a 29 in 15M, however that class is dead in Australia for new gliders - 18M is the way to go! Bernard may be happy with Bruce's choice of glider for Uvalde next year! ;] Tom From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's The e-mail I sent was literally meant to be a cheeky one, knew it'd cause a stir amongst readers. As I saw it, the comment to not to bother with the other classes basically meant - that most would, they'd see the full picture.. I noticed that the AS gliders were the machine of choice in 18m, they sure are a great machine! I just didn't want to admit it :) Safe Circles, WPP - Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail On 2011-08-16 10:50:38 + Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Adam Contrary to your advice I did check out the results of ther other classes. Since you elected to focus on 15 Meter class I have taken the liberty to bring up the 18 Meter results. a) The first two places went to ASG 29 Pilots b) There were six ASG 29 amongst the first 10 placegetters c) The very first V2 (flown by an ex world champion) finished only in 10th place. I ask all the others for forgiveness for bothering them with this trivial bit of news. It would not have been necessary if a slightly more balanced style of reporting had been applied in the first place. Kind regards to all Bernard PS: Apparently the ASH 30 prototype left a very good impression. Starting the engine when almost everyone else got home (and getting 48 points for the effort) did not see it on the podium but the feedback from the pilots and fellow competitors was overwhelmingly positive. _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:28 AM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.html Mmmm, Ventus 2's !! Don't worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus
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Hi Ron That may be so but I have it on equally good authority that Schleicher sold another eleven ASG 29 in just under six weeks. It seems that the gliding world is rapidly waking up. I hasten to add that the Australian competition scene proved to be clearly a step ahead of the rest. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 8:26 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's I have it on very good authority that the French team has just ordered a JS1!! Regards, Ron On 17 August 2011 00:29, Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Tom Your e-mail prompted me to look at the results of the pre-worlds in Uvalde, USA. Bruce did exceptionally well. Apparently he flew an ASG 29 and managed to win six days out of eight. Later today I will write to him and congratulate him on the effort. I assume he has decided to fly an ASG 29 again at the world comps next year. Am I guessing correctly? If my information is correct the German national team has also made the switch from the Ventus 2 to the ASG 29. Feel free to have a look at the results of the German nationals (and the other nationals in Europe for that matter). Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 12:33 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's Yep, the Dwarf model Schemp is the machine of choice for 15M in crap conditions! After spending 3 weeks in a V2B I have a lot of respect for them, however for numerous reasons there is NFW I would trade my 29 for one! The 29 owners flew 18M so not many to compare. How many V2 -15s in Aus? I would like to try a 29 in 15M, however that class is dead in Australia for new gliders - 18M is the way to go! Bernard may be happy with Bruce's choice of glider for Uvalde next year! ;] Tom From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's The e-mail I sent was literally meant to be a cheeky one, knew it'd cause a stir amongst readers. As I saw it, the comment to not to bother with the other classes basically meant - that most would, they'd see the full picture.. I noticed that the AS gliders were the machine of choice in 18m, they sure are a great machine! I just didn't want to admit it :) Safe Circles, WPP - Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail On 2011-08-16 10:50:38 + Future Aviation ec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Adam Contrary to your advice I did check out the results of ther other classes. Since you elected to focus on 15 Meter class I have taken the liberty to bring up the 18 Meter results. a) The first two places went to ASG 29 Pilots b) There were six ASG 29 amongst the first 10 placegetters c) The very first V2 (flown by an ex world champion) finished only in 10th place. I ask all the others for forgiveness for bothering them with this trivial bit of news. It would not have been necessary if a slightly more balanced style of reporting had been applied in the first place. Kind regards to all Bernard PS: Apparently the ASH 30 prototype left a very good impression. Starting the engine when almost everyone else got home (and getting 48 points for the effort) did not see it on the podium but the feedback from the pilots and fellow competitors was overwhelmingly positive. _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:28 AM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.h tml Mmmm, Ventus 2's !! Don't worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check
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At 01:43 PM 17/08/2011, you wrote: Another good weak weather glider Ron. ;] Imagine if they pulled 30KG of empty weight out of it. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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I think it a good bet that the differences in pilot skill, fitness and preparation will count for much more than the differences in capability of the designs, especially in this class where much new development work has taken place in recent times. As to who chooses what, I am sure that (as with all sporting equipment manufacturers) each factory will be keen to ensure that the best pilots are flying their gliders. The deals that are done, with teams or individuals, may not be exactly the same deals available on the website to the general public. It would be very refreshing to see some of the local agents honestly praising their opposition for a job well done and a good glider well flown. Recover from the spin. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 17/08/2011 2:13, Future Aviation wrote: Hi Ron That may be so but I have it on equally good authority that Schleicher sold another eleven ASG 29 in just under six weeks. It seems that the gliding world is rapidly waking up. I hasten to add that the Australian competition scene proved to be clearly a step ahead of the rest. Kind regards Bernard -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 8:26 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's I have it on very good authority that the French team has just ordered a JS1!! Regards, Ron On 17 August 2011 00:29, Future Aviationec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Tom Your e-mail prompted me to look at the results of the pre-worlds in Uvalde, USA. Bruce did exceptionally well. Apparently he flew an ASG 29 and managed to win six days out of eight. Later today I will write to him and congratulate him on the effort. I assume he has decided to fly an ASG 29 again at the world comps next year. Am I guessing correctly? If my information is correct the German national team has also made the switch from the Ventus 2 to the ASG 29. Feel free to have a look at the results of the German nationals (and the other nationals in Europe for that matter). Kind regards Bernard From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 12:33 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's Yep, the Dwarf model Schemp is the machine of choice for 15M in crap conditions! After spending 3 weeks in a V2B I have a lot of respect for them, however for numerous reasons there is NFW I would trade my 29 for one! The 29 owners flew 18M so not many to compare. How many V2 -15s in Aus? I would like to try a 29 in 15M, however that class is dead in Australia for new gliders - 18M is the way to go! Bernard may be happy with Bruce's choice of glider for Uvalde next year! ;] Tom From: Adam Woolleyaussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's The e-mail I sent was literally meant to be a cheeky one, knew it'd cause a stir amongst readers. As I saw it, the comment to not to bother with the other classes basically meant - that most would, they'd see the full picture.. I noticed that the AS gliders were the machine of choice in 18m, they sure are a great machine! I just didn't want to admit it :) Safe Circles, WPP - Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail On 2011-08-16 10:50:38 + Future Aviationec...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Adam Contrary to your advice I did check out the results of ther other classes. Since you elected to focus on 15 Meter class I have taken the liberty to bring up the 18 Meter results. a) The first two places went to ASG 29 Pilots b) There were six ASG 29 amongst the first 10 placegetters c) The very first V2 (flown by an ex world champion) finished only in 10th place. I ask all the others for forgiveness for bothering them with this trivial bit of news. It would not have been necessary if a slightly more balanced style of reporting had been applied in the first place. Kind regards to all Bernard PS: Apparently the ASH 30 prototype left a very good impression. Starting the engine when almost everyone else got home (and getting 48 points for the effort) did not see it on the podium but the feedback from the pilots and fellow competitors was overwhelmingly positive. _ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2011 9:28 AM To: AUS Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011
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http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.html Mmmm, Ventus 2’s !! Don’t worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Nice one, it’s a pity that Sunstate Soaring isn’t still running – as most of my gliding now-a-days will be weekday stuff and competitions! The boys in the G29 and JS1’s did a top job too, pity they weren’t flying a Schempp-Hirth glider – otherwise I would’ve mentioned them in the first e-mail :) WPP From: Jim Staniforth Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:43 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's Thanks WPP. ...Met Henrik, day 10 winner, at Sunstate Soaring, Dalby in 1999. He was flying an LS6B (perhaps HDM?) while I was flying a N2C some know as Alice. How about those G29 and JS1 pilots in 18m? Jim From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: AUS Soaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 2's http://www.soaringspot.com/lsf_egc2011/results/15-meter/total/day10.html Mmmm, Ventus 2’s !! Don’t worry about checking out the other classes, not important this time around :) Safe Circles, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
