Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement
How rude :) It's just the well stocked bar at KRY and the odd meal provided by the club members, Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2013, at 5:45 pm, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: Well it doesn't look like Justin Sinclair is going anywhere during a winch launch. There is no room for him in the luggage compartment.. Peter Champness On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: I'd want to look at the structure and controls behind and under the seat and recontour the seat pan if possible. Mike At 01:24 PM 16/11/2013, you wrote: Phoebus's have a seatpan which is conducive to sliding backwards - particularly on a winch launch. I used to hang on to the undercarriage lever so I didn't end up in the luggage compartment on launch. -Cath On 14/11/2013, at 12:28 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 06:40 AM 14/11/2013, you wrote: I have shares in ZAF Phoebus C. Although I am about to give up on it having tried every comfort trick in the book and have failed dismally. What kind of parachute are you using? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement
Sorry Justin, I am bigger than you, so I would not go anywhere either. For much the same reason. Yours Peter Champoness On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au wrote: How rude :) It's just the well stocked bar at KRY and the odd meal provided by the club members, Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2013, at 5:45 pm, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: Well it doesn't look like Justin Sinclair is going anywhere during a winch launch. There is no room for him in the luggage compartment.. Peter Champness On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: I'd want to look at the structure and controls behind and under the seat and recontour the seat pan if possible. Mike At 01:24 PM 16/11/2013, you wrote: Phoebus's have a seatpan which is conducive to sliding backwards - particularly on a winch launch. I used to hang on to the undercarriage lever so I didn't end up in the luggage compartment on launch. -Cath On 14/11/2013, at 12:28 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 06:40 AM 14/11/2013, you wrote: I have shares in ZAF Phoebus C. Although I am about to give up on it having tried every comfort trick in the book and have failed dismally. What kind of parachute are you using? Mike *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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By the way, You have done a very nice job on VH-ZAF ...kstein1 Peter Champness On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry Justin, I am bigger than you, so I would not go anywhere either. For much the same reason. Yours Peter Champoness On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au wrote: How rude :) It's just the well stocked bar at KRY and the odd meal provided by the club members, Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2013, at 5:45 pm, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: Well it doesn't look like Justin Sinclair is going anywhere during a winch launch. There is no room for him in the luggage compartment.. Peter Champness On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: I'd want to look at the structure and controls behind and under the seat and recontour the seat pan if possible. Mike At 01:24 PM 16/11/2013, you wrote: Phoebus's have a seatpan which is conducive to sliding backwards - particularly on a winch launch. I used to hang on to the undercarriage lever so I didn't end up in the luggage compartment on launch. -Cath On 14/11/2013, at 12:28 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 06:40 AM 14/11/2013, you wrote: I have shares in ZAF Phoebus C. Although I am about to give up on it having tried every comfort trick in the book and have failed dismally. What kind of parachute are you using? Mike *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement
Guess that's Backstein = Brick. Rgds - Rolf Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 22:14:15 +1100 From: plchampn...@gmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement By the way, You have done a very nice job on VH-ZAF ...kstein1 Peter Champness On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry Justin, I am bigger than you, so I would not go anywhere either. For much the same reason. Yours Peter Champoness On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au wrote: How rude :) It's just the well stocked bar at KRY and the odd meal provided by the club members, Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st.Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 18 Nov 2013, at 5:45 pm, Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com wrote: Well it doesn't look like Justin Sinclair is going anywhere during a winch launch. There is no room for him in the luggage compartment.. Peter Champness On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: I'd want to look at the structure and controls behind and under the seat and recontour the seat pan if possible. Mike At 01:24 PM 16/11/2013, you wrote: Phoebus's have a seatpan which is conducive to sliding backwards - particularly on a winch launch. I used to hang on to the undercarriage lever so I didn't end up in the luggage compartment on launch. -Cath On 14/11/2013, at 12:28 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 06:40 AM 14/11/2013, you wrote: I have shares in ZAF Phoebus C. Although I am about to give up on it having tried every comfort trick in the book and have failed dismally. What kind of parachute are you using? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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Well it doesn't look like Justin Sinclair is going anywhere during a winch launch. There is no room for him in the luggage compartment.. Peter Champness On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: I'd want to look at the structure and controls behind and under the seat and recontour the seat pan if possible. Mike At 01:24 PM 16/11/2013, you wrote: Phoebus's have a seatpan which is conducive to sliding backwards - particularly on a winch launch. I used to hang on to the undercarriage lever so I didn't end up in the luggage compartment on launch. -Cath On 14/11/2013, at 12:28 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 06:40 AM 14/11/2013, you wrote: I have shares in ZAF Phoebus C. Although I am about to give up on it having tried every comfort trick in the book and have failed dismally. What kind of parachute are you using? Mike *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement
I'd want to look at the structure and controls behind and under the seat and recontour the seat pan if possible. Mike At 01:24 PM 16/11/2013, you wrote: Phoebus's have a seatpan which is conducive to sliding backwards - particularly on a winch launch. I used to hang on to the undercarriage lever so I didn't end up in the luggage compartment on launch. -Cath On 14/11/2013, at 12:28 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 06:40 AM 14/11/2013, you wrote: I have shares in ZAF Phoebus C. Although I am about to give up on it having tried every comfort trick in the book and have failed dismally. What kind of parachute are you using? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement
Phoebus's have a seatpan which is conducive to sliding backwards - particularly on a winch launch. I used to hang on to the undercarriage lever so I didn't end up in the luggage compartment on launch. -Cath On 14/11/2013, at 12:28 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 06:40 AM 14/11/2013, you wrote: I have shares in ZAF Phoebus C. Although I am about to give up on it having tried every comfort trick in the book and have failed dismally. What kind of parachute are you using? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement John Parncutt
D -So you obviously misidentified the operator Justin works for as one of those small or Regional airlines No, I did not make that mistake. He did say In the Airline I work for the GMGFO ( Boss of 148 aircraft from 777 to F50 including cadet program) looks at the GFA ads monthly. SFAIK, these pilots are the professional ones. It is the people who I was pointing the email finger at who are in my opinion at least, worse than most glider pilots at communication. There is a significant distinction between transmission and communication and most of these guys don't get it. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement John Parncutt
Good points Justin, I'm 100% with you. I've done lots of different forms of GA flying and the biggest problem that I see is there are too many small aviation organisations in Australia. From Warbirds, RAAus, SAAA, GFA , Hang Gliding Federation, Gyro group, Parachuting, etc... All have different ways of doing things and teaching. There are way too many for a country our size and it segments things in a negative way. We need *one organisation* that looks after all private and recreational flying. 1 office, imagine the reduction in overheads. The flow on effects would be more positive than anything else from the past. As I always say, we need critical mass in our aviation sector for the benefit of all private, experimental, limited and recreational aviation so we can all be on the same page instead of the he says, she says that currently occurs. Just my 2 cents, Darin On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au wrote: It already has a pretty big traction in the airline industry, and it's getting bigger. In the Airline I work for The GMGFO ( Boss of 148 aircraft from 777 to F50 including cadet program) looks at the GFA ads monthly, he wants to buy something but is time poor. The Domestic Chief pilot was up at Kingaroy not long ago, flew the ASK21 and is keen to join. The 737 and 330 standards managers are ex glider pilots and are very keen to get back into it, they steal my magazines constantly. Probably 10% of the pilot group have flown gliders. Our last two Airline Pilot Cadet intakes both had GUSS/ Kingaroy gliding pilots We have the companies permission to put selected gliding instructors through a bit of a simulator program so as to give them a feel of what becomes important in jet operations, that way they as instructors can reinforce basics at the start of the pilots career, we as a company benefit later on. We have already put through an RTO on one of our CRM/NTS courses and the plan is to offer more. Our technical team are very aware of FLARM and other technological advances. The Current tug master of one of Queensland's biggest clubs is a current 737 First Officer. Some sailplane pilots still think its ok to apply the same rule set as they did in the 60's, this would be fine if we were still flying Blanik's and kookaburras however we are now going cross country in aeroplanes that outweigh and go faster than ultralights. So perhaps talking on the radio in a professional manner, being aware of other forms of aviation and proactively showing others our passion in a positive light might be worth a thought, rather than the old I fly gliders therefore I am a better pilot type of attitude. Just a thought :) Justin Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 13 Nov 2013, at 6:05 am, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.netwrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: What can glider pilots teach the airline industry? (John Parncutt) mime-attachment ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement John Parncutt
Darin, nice idea and i hear you BUT. ...and the BUT is, how can we except to achieve your proposed position when we have at least 3 airfields that I'm aware of in Australia (there may be more) where there are more than 1 gliding club operating? Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 On 13/11/2013, at 23:50, Darin McLean da...@dm-electronics.com.au wrote: Good points Justin, I'm 100% with you. I've done lots of different forms of GA flying and the biggest problem that I see is there are too many small aviation organisations in Australia. From Warbirds, RAAus, SAAA, GFA , Hang Gliding Federation, Gyro group, Parachuting, etc... All have different ways of doing things and teaching. There are way too many for a country our size and it segments things in a negative way. We need one organisation that looks after all private and recreational flying. 1 office, imagine the reduction in overheads. The flow on effects would be more positive than anything else from the past. As I always say, we need critical mass in our aviation sector for the benefit of all private, experimental, limited and recreational aviation so we can all be on the same page instead of the he says, she says that currently occurs. Just my 2 cents, Darin On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au wrote: It already has a pretty big traction in the airline industry, and it's getting bigger. In the Airline I work for The GMGFO ( Boss of 148 aircraft from 777 to F50 including cadet program) looks at the GFA ads monthly, he wants to buy something but is time poor. The Domestic Chief pilot was up at Kingaroy not long ago, flew the ASK21 and is keen to join. The 737 and 330 standards managers are ex glider pilots and are very keen to get back into it, they steal my magazines constantly. Probably 10% of the pilot group have flown gliders. Our last two Airline Pilot Cadet intakes both had GUSS/ Kingaroy gliding pilots We have the companies permission to put selected gliding instructors through a bit of a simulator program so as to give them a feel of what becomes important in jet operations, that way they as instructors can reinforce basics at the start of the pilots career, we as a company benefit later on. We have already put through an RTO on one of our CRM/NTS courses and the plan is to offer more. Our technical team are very aware of FLARM and other technological advances. The Current tug master of one of Queensland's biggest clubs is a current 737 First Officer. Some sailplane pilots still think its ok to apply the same rule set as they did in the 60's, this would be fine if we were still flying Blanik's and kookaburras however we are now going cross country in aeroplanes that outweigh and go faster than ultralights. So perhaps talking on the radio in a professional manner, being aware of other forms of aviation and proactively showing others our passion in a positive light might be worth a thought, rather than the old I fly gliders therefore I am a better pilot type of attitude. Just a thought :) Justin Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 13 Nov 2013, at 6:05 am, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: What can glider pilots teach the airline industry? (John Parncutt) mime-attachment ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement John Parncutt
Hi Mike, I originally flew from Cunderdin in the 80's so you can blame Orton, Painter, Cooper, Saunders and Repton for my early training. I now fly and instruct from Kingaroy and you can now blame Schmidt, Kolb, Sommerfeldt and the other recalcitrants for my current predicament. I still can't fly out of sight on a dark night, in fact I outlanded in the first paddock north of town last Sunday. I have shares in ZAF Phoebus C. Although I am about to give up on it having tried every comfort trick in the book and have failed dismally. So if anyone wants to take my share for the princely sum of nearly zero email me. I am in need of a new aeroplane, nimbus, hornet, mossie ventus etc. I am really after something that needs a refinish as a project so if you know of anything let me know. Day job is 737 mixed with a role in flight ops ( fuel efficiency ) at Virgin. I guess having been brought up at Cunderdin which has always been a CTAF MBZ MTAF BRZ thingy you kind of got used to machi,s pc9, barons and other IFR training aircraft, Kingaroy is the same but now but throw in RFDS, rescue helis, ultralights and more gliders and it all seems to work. Although I am young in Aviation terms at 46 years old and with few hours I can honestly say a couple of things. 1- Glider pilots make better airline pilots PERIOD. No ifs, no buts it's just a fact, they have a better feel, manage energy better and generally shine in aeroplane manipulation both manually and systems wise. 2- I have NEVER met a Airline pilot whom looked down on their fellow airline pilots because they went soaring. And to be honest if I did meet one I sure as hell wouldn't put my kids on a airliner with them. 3- On the other hand just because you are a glider pilot it doesn't mean you have better flying skills than an airline pilot, despite what a few might think it's not all autopilot and piss drinking. On my fuel team I have a ex F18 instructor, if you think thermalling is hard just wait until you have done it with someone trying to shoot you down, this bloke is still an FO's waiting his time until a command becomes available. Funnily enough he started flying gliders out of Western Sydney. Conversely many of VA pilots joined from GA or Regional airlines and many would agree with you as to radio use and other standards. Unfortunately that level of aviation has always been a stepping stone so the continuity of training is never there. That is why we are so lucky in soaring. If you added up the experience of my instructors from WA and Qld alone it must add up to over 300 years of experience. It sometimes frustrates me when we don't realise just how good we are and why we don't promote it in a professional manner to other airspace users. Having said that I threw a mate of mine from Kingaroy (level 2 and comp pilot) in the 737 simulator last month. He has never flown anything bigger than a motorfalk yet after 30 minutes he flew away from a V1 cut, flew a perfect single engine visual circuit and landed on speed, on slope and even remembered to use the one remaining thrust reverser. I have no doubt he would have made a top notch airline pilot had he wanted to. I guess after all this babble all I am trying to say is that as soon as I hear the old real pilots lookout and hate engines crap I turn away and hope I don't meet them in a thermal or on final glide ( not much chance of that since I am always lower than every one else) because they are the ones who turn off Flarm, set 122.9, fly over weight with no insurance and only just pass their checks because they are better than the GFA and their silly control access checks. We now live in an age of Oudies, Flarm, tcas, SMS systems and IT based training aids, whilst it might not be like the good old days it's what we have got to work with, and your poor suffering CFI might like a hand to keep on top of it :) Righto off soapbox now until the spin argument arises. Better go find a discus or hornet in need of paint Justin Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 13 Nov 2013, at 1:46 pm, Mike Cleaver wom...@netspeed.com.au wrote: D -So you obviously misidentified the operator Justin works for as one of those small or Regional airlines - aircraft from ATR72 up to 777 are not the problem (though I agree with you about some SAAB and Metro drivers)! Problem there is that most of their aircraft spend very little time in the Class G and lower Class E airspace where glider pilots fly. Hence we do not often hear the very professional operators unless we listen on some of the shared Class A/C/E/G ATC frequencies which MOST glider pilots avoid. I notice that some of the professionals are now using QLink or Velocity callsigns rather than the ones they used last year - things change in the aviation industry. Hopefully we can train our glider
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement John Parncutt
Hi Darin, Without Organisation Bashing, CASA or its underlings, I couldn’t agree more!!! That would also eliminate a lot of the territorial wars that exist at the margins of each of the underlings as well. Why can’t we establish a formalised ground swell to lobby all the powers that be to make it happen in the best interests of all aviation. Rob Wintulich. From: Darin McLean Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:20 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement John Parncutt Good points Justin, I'm 100% with you. I've done lots of different forms of GA flying and the biggest problem that I see is there are too many small aviation organisations in Australia. From Warbirds, RAAus, SAAA, GFA , Hang Gliding Federation, Gyro group, Parachuting, etc... All have different ways of doing things and teaching. There are way too many for a country our size and it segments things in a negative way. We need one organisation that looks after all private and recreational flying. 1 office, imagine the reduction in overheads. The flow on effects would be more positive than anything else from the past. As I always say, we need critical mass in our aviation sector for the benefit of all private, experimental, limited and recreational aviation so we can all be on the same page instead of the he says, she says that currently occurs. Just my 2 cents, Darin On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au wrote: It already has a pretty big traction in the airline industry, and it's getting bigger. In the Airline I work for The GMGFO ( Boss of 148 aircraft from 777 to F50 including cadet program) looks at the GFA ads monthly, he wants to buy something but is time poor. The Domestic Chief pilot was up at Kingaroy not long ago, flew the ASK21 and is keen to join. The 737 and 330 standards managers are ex glider pilots and are very keen to get back into it, they steal my magazines constantly. Probably 10% of the pilot group have flown gliders. Our last two Airline Pilot Cadet intakes both had GUSS/ Kingaroy gliding pilots We have the companies permission to put selected gliding instructors through a bit of a simulator program so as to give them a feel of what becomes important in jet operations, that way they as instructors can reinforce basics at the start of the pilots career, we as a company benefit later on. We have already put through an RTO on one of our CRM/NTS courses and the plan is to offer more. Our technical team are very aware of FLARM and other technological advances. The Current tug master of one of Queensland's biggest clubs is a current 737 First Officer. Some sailplane pilots still think its ok to apply the same rule set as they did in the 60's, this would be fine if we were still flying Blanik's and kookaburras however we are now going cross country in aeroplanes that outweigh and go faster than ultralights. So perhaps talking on the radio in a professional manner, being aware of other forms of aviation and proactively showing others our passion in a positive light might be worth a thought, rather than the old I fly gliders therefore I am a better pilot type of attitude. Just a thought :) Justin Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 13 Nov 2013, at 6:05 am, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: What can glider pilots teach the airline industry? (John Parncutt) mime-attachment ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement
At 06:40 AM 14/11/2013, you wrote: I have shares in ZAF Phoebus C. Although I am about to give up on it having tried every comfort trick in the book and have failed dismally. What kind of parachute are you using? Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784: int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement John Parncutt
While you are about it get State Parliaments abolished too. You have about as much chance for much the same reasons. From: Rob Wintulich Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 9:29 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement John Parncutt Hi Darin, Without Organisation Bashing, CASA or its underlings, I couldn’t agree more!!! That would also eliminate a lot of the territorial wars that exist at the margins of each of the underlings as well. Why can’t we establish a formalised ground swell to lobby all the powers that be to make it happen in the best interests of all aviation. Rob Wintulich. From: Darin McLean Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:20 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement John Parncutt Good points Justin, I'm 100% with you. I've done lots of different forms of GA flying and the biggest problem that I see is there are too many small aviation organisations in Australia. From Warbirds, RAAus, SAAA, GFA , Hang Gliding Federation, Gyro group, Parachuting, etc... All have different ways of doing things and teaching. There are way too many for a country our size and it segments things in a negative way. We need one organisation that looks after all private and recreational flying. 1 office, imagine the reduction in overheads. The flow on effects would be more positive than anything else from the past. As I always say, we need critical mass in our aviation sector for the benefit of all private, experimental, limited and recreational aviation so we can all be on the same page instead of the he says, she says that currently occurs. Just my 2 cents, Darin On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au wrote: It already has a pretty big traction in the airline industry, and it's getting bigger. In the Airline I work for The GMGFO ( Boss of 148 aircraft from 777 to F50 including cadet program) looks at the GFA ads monthly, he wants to buy something but is time poor. The Domestic Chief pilot was up at Kingaroy not long ago, flew the ASK21 and is keen to join. The 737 and 330 standards managers are ex glider pilots and are very keen to get back into it, they steal my magazines constantly. Probably 10% of the pilot group have flown gliders. Our last two Airline Pilot Cadet intakes both had GUSS/ Kingaroy gliding pilots We have the companies permission to put selected gliding instructors through a bit of a simulator program so as to give them a feel of what becomes important in jet operations, that way they as instructors can reinforce basics at the start of the pilots career, we as a company benefit later on. We have already put through an RTO on one of our CRM/NTS courses and the plan is to offer more. Our technical team are very aware of FLARM and other technological advances. The Current tug master of one of Queensland's biggest clubs is a current 737 First Officer. Some sailplane pilots still think its ok to apply the same rule set as they did in the 60's, this would be fine if we were still flying Blanik's and kookaburras however we are now going cross country in aeroplanes that outweigh and go faster than ultralights. So perhaps talking on the radio in a professional manner, being aware of other forms of aviation and proactively showing others our passion in a positive light might be worth a thought, rather than the old I fly gliders therefore I am a better pilot type of attitude. Just a thought :) Justin Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 13 Nov 2013, at 6:05 am, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: What can glider pilots teach the airline industry? (John Parncutt) mime-attachment ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airline involvement John Parncutt
So perhaps talking on the radio in a professional manner… Wrong forum! You want to be posting that on the forum which Rex and most other GA pilots read. Talking as rapidly as possible when transmitting aviation related stuff and at a normal speed and tone of voice when just chatting appears to be the accepted professional standard. Oh… and don't forget to clip the first and last words of the transmission… the location. That's the important bit to get everyone on their lookout. In my limited experience, the big airlines and the clubs are generally good at radio communication while the GA lot and some regional airlines prefer transmission to communication. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
