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Peter, Unfortunately, John guilds the lily quite a lot. I am in close communication with Jack and his team, and agree that Super Cub performance when towing is more realistic. . However, if Aki Suokas performance figures for the Pik 27 prototype are accurate, with the 115 HP Rotax 194, then my Australian prototype, expected to be in flight test configuration later this year, should indeed outperform the Pawnee, with the same engine prop combination as the Beaufort Hornet, but with less drag. We shall see. Interesting possibilities. Regards Bob Ward From: Peter Champness Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:10 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GLIDING INTERNATIONAL - JULY ISSUE The Beaufort Hornet tug only has a 2.2 litre Subaru engine of 160-170 Horsepower. Therefore it will not outperform a Pawnee. We do expect that it will have equivalent or better performance to a Supercub. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:59 AM, John Roake j...@johnroake.com wrote: THE JULY 2014 ISSUE OF GLIDING INTERNATIONAL Our subscribers are writing to tell us they enjoy our new format. Thumbs up all round. It has been a great move. The July issue goes in the mail next week. Expect it in your mail box by June 27. The issue covers over 60 new absorbing topics for yet another coffee table issue. The photos alone make it a ‘must have’ issue. • The authorative soaring journalist, Elk Fuglasang-Petersen (Germany) writes for Gliding international about her personal experiences in gliding with a Germany club and then comparing the experience with three years membership in an American club. Her observations are entertaining and informative. The differences are quite incredible. • Aldo Cernezzi has written about his evaluation of Schempp-Hirth’s Arcus E, the all electric fantastic two seater. Exceptionally well illustrated this report points out all the goods things about the Arcus E and about its limitations and costs. • Our staff reporter Rod Dew writes about ‘Mr Aerodrome’ - a story from the early 1900s detailing a catastrophic failure in trying to launch his glider a top a house boat in the Potomac river in USA. This Smithsonian director could have been as famous as the Wright Brothers as he had more answers to directional control than they had at the time. This is a fascinating hitherto hidden story of an exceptional pioneer. Did you know that Englishman Matthew Boulton in 1868 was the first to patent the aileron? Rudders, ailerons, and elevators had been invented long before the Wright’s efforts began. The English patent was unknown to the Wright Brothers who had the greatest difficulty getting a U.S. patent for their methodology. • The 2014 Grand Prix is over and the finals flown at Sisteron, France was an exciting event. Covered for Gliding International by Ritz du Luy, it was all the more interesting because a Frenchman stole the crown. • Schleicher’s new two seater, the ASG32 has flown and we captured the first test flight, flown from Poppenhausen, Germany. A sailplane of beauty! • The cost of towing aircraft gets more expensive by the hour. Two unrelated Australian’s have built home-built tugs that are expected to have performances greater than a Pawnee at less than half the price. A great review and a helpful paper for any club reviewing their towing costs. All this is followed by a review of the new Robin - Europe’s towing work horse. Great if the club has $.25 million to spend • We review Tom Knauff’s new book – a detailed collection of gliding accidents over the past 10 years. This is fascinating and instructive! • Two new, two seater electric motor gliders are flying. The Sun Seeker and the Sun Flyer (unrelated). There is no shortage of new projects being designed, worked on and projected to go into production. • This is frightening. US Customs officials are insisting on searches of motorgliders flown cross country. They have a misguided belief that they are ferrying drugs. A detailed story on one such search. • Research - A paper on how a university has been able to fly an aircraft by ‘thought processes only.’ The brain was connected to an auto pilot! • Plus 40 other stories that will educate and inform. We hope you will join us. JOHN ROAKE EDITOR. NEW (or RENEWING) SUBSCRIBERS CAN EASILY EFFECT A SUBSCRIPTION BY GOING TO OUR WEB PAGE – www.glidinginternational.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change
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Thanks Bob. One of the things I like about the Pik 27 is the low wing. It just gives much better visibility, which is so important to safety. I am looking forward to your article. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Bob Ward wendo...@westnet.com.au wrote: Peter, Unfortunately, John guilds the lily quite a lot. I am in close communication with Jack and his team, and agree that Super Cub performance when towing is more realistic. . However, if Aki Suokas performance figures for the Pik 27 prototype are accurate, with the 115 HP Rotax 194, then my Australian prototype, expected to be in flight test configuration later this year, should indeed outperform the Pawnee, with the same engine prop combination as the Beaufort Hornet, but with less drag. We shall see. Interesting possibilities. Regards Bob Ward *From:* Peter Champness plchampn...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:10 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] GLIDING INTERNATIONAL - JULY ISSUE The Beaufort Hornet tug only has a 2.2 litre Subaru engine of 160-170 Horsepower. Therefore it will not outperform a Pawnee. We do expect that it will have equivalent or better performance to a Supercub. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:59 AM, John Roake j...@johnroake.com wrote: *THE JULY 2014 ISSUE OF GLIDING INTERNATIONAL * Our subscribers are writing to tell us they enjoy our new format. Thumbs up all round. It has been a great move. The July issue goes in the mail next week. Expect it in your mail box by June 27. The issue covers over 60 new absorbing topics for yet another coffee table issue. The photos alone make it a ‘must have’ issue. • The authorative soaring journalist, Elk Fuglasang-Petersen (Germany) writes for Gliding international about her personal experiences in gliding with a Germany club and then comparing the experience with three years membership in an American club. Her observations are entertaining and informative. The differences are quite incredible. • Aldo Cernezzi has written about his evaluation of Schempp-Hirth’s Arcus E, the all electric fantastic two seater. Exceptionally well illustrated this report points out all the goods things about the Arcus E and about its limitations and costs. *• *Our staff reporter Rod Dew writes about ‘Mr Aerodrome’ - a story from the early 1900s detailing a catastrophic failure in trying to launch his glider a top a house boat in the Potomac river in USA. This Smithsonian director could have been as famous as the Wright Brothers as he had more answers to directional control than they had at the time. This is a fascinating hitherto hidden story of an exceptional pioneer. Did you know that Englishman Matthew Boulton in 1868 was the first to patent the aileron? Rudders, ailerons, and elevators had been invented long before the Wright’s efforts began. The English patent was unknown to the Wright Brothers who had the greatest difficulty getting a U.S. patent for their methodology. *• *The 2014 Grand Prix is over and the finals flown at Sisteron, France was an exciting event. Covered for Gliding International by Ritz du Luy, it was all the more interesting because a Frenchman stole the crown. *• *Schleicher’s new two seater, the ASG32 has flown and we captured the first test flight, flown from Poppenhausen, Germany. A sailplane of beauty! *• *The cost of towing aircraft gets more expensive by the hour. Two unrelated Australian’s have built home-built tugs that are expected to have performances greater than a Pawnee at less than half the price. A great review and a helpful paper for any club reviewing their towing costs. All this is followed by a review of the new Robin - Europe’s towing work horse. Great if the club has $.25 million to spend *• *We review Tom Knauff’s new book – a detailed collection of gliding accidents over the past 10 years. This is fascinating and instructive! *• *Two new, two seater electric motor gliders are flying. The Sun Seeker and the Sun Flyer (unrelated). There is no shortage of new projects being designed, worked on and projected to go into production. *• *This is frightening. US Customs officials are insisting on searches of motorgliders flown cross country. They have a misguided belief that they are ferrying drugs. A detailed story on one such search. *• *Research - A paper on how a university has been able to fly an aircraft by ‘thought processes only.’ The brain was connected to an auto pilot! • Plus 40 other stories that will educate and inform. We hope you will join us. JOHN ROAKE EDITOR. NEW (or RENEWING) SUBSCRIBERS CAN EASILY EFFECT A SUBSCRIPTION BY GOING TO OUR WEB PAGE – www.glidinginternational.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change
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Hey Bob, Great news. You must be making good progress, to be even thinking about flight testing. I note you use the words .. flight test “CONFIGURATION”. Does this mean that the actual flight tests might occur sometime (much??) later than towards the end of the year ? Is the weight of the paper-work yet equal to, or greater than the weight of the Pik 27? Anyway, keep up the good work. Cheers, Gary From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bob Ward Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2014 6:50 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GLIDING INTERNATIONAL - JULY ISSUE Peter, Unfortunately, John guilds the lily quite a lot. I am in close communication with Jack and his team, and agree that Super Cub performance when towing is more realistic. . However, if Aki Suokas performance figures for the Pik 27 prototype are accurate, with the 115 HP Rotax 194, then my Australian prototype, expected to be in flight test configuration later this year, should indeed outperform the Pawnee, with the same engine prop combination as the Beaufort Hornet, but with less drag. We shall see. Interesting possibilities. Regards Bob Ward From: Peter mailto:plchampn...@gmail.com Champness Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:10 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GLIDING INTERNATIONAL - JULY ISSUE The Beaufort Hornet tug only has a 2.2 litre Subaru engine of 160-170 Horsepower. Therefore it will not outperform a Pawnee. We do expect that it will have equivalent or better performance to a Supercub. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:59 AM, John Roake j...@johnroake.com wrote: THE JULY 2014 ISSUE OF GLIDING INTERNATIONAL Our subscribers are writing to tell us they enjoy our new format. Thumbs up all round. It has been a great move. The July issue goes in the mail next week. Expect it in your mail box by June 27. The issue covers over 60 new absorbing topics for yet another coffee table issue. The photos alone make it a ‘must have’ issue. • The authorative soaring journalist, Elk Fuglasang-Petersen (Germany) writes for Gliding international about her personal experiences in gliding with a Germany club and then comparing the experience with three years membership in an American club. Her observations are entertaining and informative. The differences are quite incredible. • Aldo Cernezzi has written about his evaluation of Schempp-Hirth’s Arcus E, the all electric fantastic two seater. Exceptionally well illustrated this report points out all the goods things about the Arcus E and about its limitations and costs. • Our staff reporter Rod Dew writes about ‘Mr Aerodrome’ - a story from the early 1900s detailing a catastrophic failure in trying to launch his glider a top a house boat in the Potomac river in USA. This Smithsonian director could have been as famous as the Wright Brothers as he had more answers to directional control than they had at the time. This is a fascinating hitherto hidden story of an exceptional pioneer. Did you know that Englishman Matthew Boulton in 1868 was the first to patent the aileron? Rudders, ailerons, and elevators had been invented long before the Wright’s efforts began. The English patent was unknown to the Wright Brothers who had the greatest difficulty getting a U.S. patent for their methodology. • The 2014 Grand Prix is over and the finals flown at Sisteron, France was an exciting event. Covered for Gliding International by Ritz du Luy, it was all the more interesting because a Frenchman stole the crown. • Schleicher’s new two seater, the ASG32 has flown and we captured the first test flight, flown from Poppenhausen, Germany. A sailplane of beauty! • The cost of towing aircraft gets more expensive by the hour. Two unrelated Australian’s have built home-built tugs that are expected to have performances greater than a Pawnee at less than half the price. A great review and a helpful paper for any club reviewing their towing costs. All this is followed by a review of the new Robin - Europe’s towing work horse. Great if the club has $.25 million to spend • We review Tom Knauff’s new book – a detailed collection of gliding accidents over the past 10 years. This is fascinating and instructive! • Two new, two seater electric motor gliders are flying. The Sun Seeker and the Sun Flyer (unrelated). There is no shortage of new projects being designed, worked on and projected to go into production. • This is frightening. US Customs officials are insisting on searches of motorgliders flown cross country. They have a misguided belief that they are ferrying drugs. A detailed story on one such search. • Research - A paper on how a university has been able to fly an aircraft
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Peter, Not only is the wing low, but the aircraft climbs with fuselage level, due to the seven degrees angle of incidence of the wing. This not only gives exceptional visibility on climb, but in addition the climb is completely without any P factor. i.e. climb is made without any rudder input. Descent and cruise will of course require rudder input in order to keep the slip ball in the middle. Descent of course with a little extra drag will be an advantage, and the aircraft is certainly not designed for cruising anyway. It is a specifically designed tow plane. No other uses were envisaged during design. And Gary, your question. The flight test phase for experimental aircraft with non certificated engines such as Beaufort’s Hornet and my Pik is usually forty hours. The first twenty will be simply boring holes in the sky. We are hopeful that we will be given the OK to do the last twenty towing. That is where Jack is at right now. First twenty done, and hoping to commence towing shortly. From: Peter Champness Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 7:33 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GLIDING INTERNATIONAL - JULY ISSUE Thanks Bob. One of the things I like about the Pik 27 is the low wing. It just gives much better visibility, which is so important to safety. I am looking forward to your article. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Bob Ward wendo...@westnet.com.au wrote: Peter, Unfortunately, John guilds the lily quite a lot. I am in close communication with Jack and his team, and agree that Super Cub performance when towing is more realistic. . However, if Aki Suokas performance figures for the Pik 27 prototype are accurate, with the 115 HP Rotax 194, then my Australian prototype, expected to be in flight test configuration later this year, should indeed outperform the Pawnee, with the same engine prop combination as the Beaufort Hornet, but with less drag. We shall see. Interesting possibilities. Regards Bob Ward From: Peter Champness Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:10 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GLIDING INTERNATIONAL - JULY ISSUE The Beaufort Hornet tug only has a 2.2 litre Subaru engine of 160-170 Horsepower. Therefore it will not outperform a Pawnee. We do expect that it will have equivalent or better performance to a Supercub. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:59 AM, John Roake j...@johnroake.com wrote: THE JULY 2014 ISSUE OF GLIDING INTERNATIONAL Our subscribers are writing to tell us they enjoy our new format. Thumbs up all round. It has been a great move. The July issue goes in the mail next week. Expect it in your mail box by June 27. The issue covers over 60 new absorbing topics for yet another coffee table issue. The photos alone make it a ‘must have’ issue. • The authorative soaring journalist, Elk Fuglasang-Petersen (Germany) writes for Gliding international about her personal experiences in gliding with a Germany club and then comparing the experience with three years membership in an American club. Her observations are entertaining and informative. The differences are quite incredible. • Aldo Cernezzi has written about his evaluation of Schempp-Hirth’s Arcus E, the all electric fantastic two seater. Exceptionally well illustrated this report points out all the goods things about the Arcus E and about its limitations and costs. • Our staff reporter Rod Dew writes about ‘Mr Aerodrome’ - a story from the early 1900s detailing a catastrophic failure in trying to launch his glider a top a house boat in the Potomac river in USA. This Smithsonian director could have been as famous as the Wright Brothers as he had more answers to directional control than they had at the time. This is a fascinating hitherto hidden story of an exceptional pioneer. Did you know that Englishman Matthew Boulton in 1868 was the first to patent the aileron? Rudders, ailerons, and elevators had been invented long before the Wright’s efforts began. The English patent was unknown to the Wright Brothers who had the greatest difficulty getting a U.S. patent for their methodology. • The 2014 Grand Prix is over and the finals flown at Sisteron, France was an exciting event. Covered for Gliding International by Ritz du Luy, it was all the more interesting because a Frenchman stole the crown. • Schleicher’s new two seater, the ASG32 has flown and we captured the first test flight, flown from Poppenhausen, Germany. A sailplane of beauty! • The cost of towing aircraft gets more expensive by the hour. Two unrelated Australian’s have built home-built tugs that are expected to have performances greater than a Pawnee at less than half the price. A great review and a helpful paper for any club reviewing their towing costs. All this is followed by a review
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Unfortunately, John guilds the lily quite a lot Does that comment also apply to his oft-repeated phrase “We are the best at what we do” I wonder? It certainly does not apply when it comes to editing the mag … ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
