Re: [Aus-soaring] spins

2015-01-26 Thread Mike Borgelt

 Peter,

R is radius. i.e where the mass is relative to the C of G.

If you have the situation of a light pilot and no 
tail ballast the C of G may be in  certain position.


Put a heavy pilot in and ballast the tail to get 
the C of G in the same position. THIS IS NOT THE SAME SITUATION.


The Moment of Inertia ( m*r*r) of the glider 
around the yaw and pitch axes will be increased. 
It will require more force to get the aircraft to 
rotate around those axes but once rotating, more force to stop the rotation.


As the story illustrated, relatively small 
changes noticeably altered  the spin and recovery 
characteristics of the aircraft.


Casual spinning in gliders is something few of 
the experienced soaring pilots of my acquaintance 
will do. It simply isn't part of a normal cross 
country soaring flight. I've certainly NEVER spun 
a glider while it was water ballasted and only 
once in late 1968 have I spun accidently. It 
was my first flight in the ES57 Kingfisher (*the* 
one hanging up in the Bullsbrook RAAF museum) and 
I was pushing the envelope in a steep turn to see 
how tight I could turn and it was not entirely a 
surprise when the ground started rotating in front of me.
Did it twice more to confirm. Then did a fair bit 
of flying in the thing over the next year or so 
and never came anywhere near spinning it.



Mike






At 08:15 PM 26/01/2015, you wrote:

Thanks Mike,

I read you reference.

M is Mass.  What is R?

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Mike Borgelt 
mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.commborg...@borgeltinstruments.com 
wrote:

http://www.avweb.com/news/features/A-Test-Pilot-Spins223410-1.htmlhttp://www.avweb.com/news/features/A-Test-Pilot-Spins223410-1.html

I've always had my doubts about sticking lead on 
the tail to make glider more spin prone.


C of G is M * R

Moment of inertia is M * R * R



Mike

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Re: [Aus-soaring] spins

2015-01-26 Thread Peter Champness
Thanks Mike,

I read you reference.

M is Mass.  What is R?

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Mike Borgelt 
mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote:

  http://www.avweb.com/news/features/A-Test-Pilot-Spins223410-1.html

 I've always had my doubts about sticking lead on the tail to make glider
 more spin prone.

 C of G is M * R

 Moment of inertia is M * R * R



 Mike

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 *design  manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 *
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Re: [Aus-soaring] spins

2015-01-23 Thread Mike Borgelt

http://www.avweb.com/news/features/A-Test-Pilot-Spins223410-1.html

I've always had my doubts about sticking lead on the tail to make 
glider more spin prone.


C of G is M * R

Moment of inertia is M * R * R



Mike


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