Re: [Ayatana] We need AppLauncher screen edge alignment configuration!
2011/8/22 Owas Lone he...@owaislone.org Hi Niklas, You have some valid points here BUT this problem has already been solved. In fact, it was solved in the first version of Unity. The solution is autohide. Launcher autohides by default on Ubunut making it effectively disappear and give all the space to the app. Autohide is a hack, not a solution. I use a hybrid configuration on my workstation (one rotated monitor, one normal) and Unity looks hideous on the rotated monitor. It's visually unbalanced and takes up a huge amount of the (scarce) horizontal screen estate. Please try it out for a few moments to see how bad it looks. My solution is to set the unrotated monitor as the primary monitor (the launcher always appears on the primary monitor) but that's also a hack, not a solution. My preferred solution would be to have the launcher autodetect monitor rotation (taking account multiple monitors in hybrid configurations) and adjust itself so it appears correctly. It would also be nice if we could choose which monitor it would appear in, rather than doing windows-like hacks like changing primary monitors so the the primary is always on the left. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] We need AppLauncher screen edge alignment configuration!
Does anyone know about any official decisions made on this issue? 2011/8/22 Stefanos A. stapos...@gmail.com 2011/8/22 Owas Lone he...@owaislone.org Hi Niklas, You have some valid points here BUT this problem has already been solved. In fact, it was solved in the first version of Unity. The solution is autohide. Launcher autohides by default on Ubunut making it effectively disappear and give all the space to the app. Autohide is a hack, not a solution. I use a hybrid configuration on my workstation (one rotated monitor, one normal) and Unity looks hideous on the rotated monitor. It's visually unbalanced and takes up a huge amount of the (scarce) horizontal screen estate. Please try it out for a few moments to see how bad it looks. My solution is to set the unrotated monitor as the primary monitor (the launcher always appears on the primary monitor) but that's also a hack, not a solution. My preferred solution would be to have the launcher autodetect monitor rotation (taking account multiple monitors in hybrid configurations) and adjust itself so it appears correctly. It would also be nice if we could choose which monitor it would appear in, rather than doing windows-like hacks like changing primary monitors so the the primary is always on the left. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] We need AppLauncher screen edge alignment configuration!
Wouldn't it work anyway since the BUB is now inside the AppLauncher area? All corners are a great position according to Fitt's Law so there's no need to move the position of the BUB relative to the rest of the launcher - and the Dash would ofcourse unflod accordingly. 2011/8/22 Eylem Koca eylemk...@gmail.com I totally agree that the Launcher edge alignment should be user configurable but with the Ubuntu icon (and Dash) on the top left, I don't see how it can be possible. Please see my proposal which makes this very possible: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg06309.html On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody! I've said many times that the AppLauncher position needs to be configurable. In it's current implementation it only aligns to the left side of the screen edge. This is probably because most western languages read from left to right and it saves a lot of vertical space on widescreen monitors. Unity is designed to be a space saving environment but when a user uses a different screen rotation (vertical instead of horizontal - many people work like this when working with LO Calc or MS Excel) a ~ 60px wide vertical bar, taking sometimes up to more than 1920px vertical space, steals valuable horizontal space. If Unity really wants to be as versatile as Canonical are aiming for it needs to be able to adapt. Take for example this demo with a tablet running Ubuntu 11.04: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nHbRspykIQ There you can see how much space it actually waste. If it were able to automatically adapt depending on screen orientation or by manual configuration this problem wouldn't exist. I don't know if it adapts to right-to-left languages but it should be able to as well. A whole other question is how Canonical believes their global AppMenu can be easily used with touch displays, it seems like it would be next to impossible to select what you want on such a tiny space. The Elementary Project's philosophy regarding AppMenu's is far much more suited for a touch screen environment: http://elementaryos.org/docs/human-interface-guidelines/ui-toolkit-elements/appmenu Cheers! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] We need AppLauncher screen edge alignment configuration!
Well, you're still suggesting moving the Ubuntu button to the bottom left when the Launcher is at the bottom, right? The problem with that is that it disturbs the overall consistency of the desktop. I mean, the Ubuntu button and the Dash are (should be) central to Unity desktop and moving them around would diminish their role. With the current design, their role is already reduced to a just another Launcher widget, similar to KDE. That's why I posted that proposal, so that they're really emphasized as they should be... On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't it work anyway since the BUB is now inside the AppLauncher area? All corners are a great position according to Fitt's Law so there's no need to move the position of the BUB relative to the rest of the launcher - and the Dash would ofcourse unflod accordingly. 2011/8/22 Eylem Koca eylemk...@gmail.com I totally agree that the Launcher edge alignment should be user configurable but with the Ubuntu icon (and Dash) on the top left, I don't see how it can be possible. Please see my proposal which makes this very possible: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg06309.html On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody! I've said many times that the AppLauncher position needs to be configurable. In it's current implementation it only aligns to the left side of the screen edge. This is probably because most western languages read from left to right and it saves a lot of vertical space on widescreen monitors. Unity is designed to be a space saving environment but when a user uses a different screen rotation (vertical instead of horizontal - many people work like this when working with LO Calc or MS Excel) a ~ 60px wide vertical bar, taking sometimes up to more than 1920px vertical space, steals valuable horizontal space. If Unity really wants to be as versatile as Canonical are aiming for it needs to be able to adapt. Take for example this demo with a tablet running Ubuntu 11.04: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nHbRspykIQ There you can see how much space it actually waste. If it were able to automatically adapt depending on screen orientation or by manual configuration this problem wouldn't exist. I don't know if it adapts to right-to-left languages but it should be able to as well. A whole other question is how Canonical believes their global AppMenu can be easily used with touch displays, it seems like it would be next to impossible to select what you want on such a tiny space. The Elementary Project's philosophy regarding AppMenu's is far much more suited for a touch screen environment: http://elementaryos.org/docs/human-interface-guidelines/ui-toolkit-elements/appmenu Cheers! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ayatana] We need AppLauncher screen edge alignment configuration!
My wish is that they implement a button which isn't a part of the AppLauncher Icon's area but still not taking up the top left corner since the window buttons are really awkwardly placed when working with a maximized window in 11.04. But without that corner it loses a lot of efficiency (Fitt's Law). Hopefully Canonical can find an alternative design which makes it possible to align the Launcher and still keep it placed good strategically :) 2011/8/22 Eylem Koca eylemk...@gmail.com Well, you're still suggesting moving the Ubuntu button to the bottom left when the Launcher is at the bottom, right? The problem with that is that it disturbs the overall consistency of the desktop. I mean, the Ubuntu button and the Dash are (should be) central to Unity desktop and moving them around would diminish their role. With the current design, their role is already reduced to a just another Launcher widget, similar to KDE. That's why I posted that proposal, so that they're really emphasized as they should be... On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't it work anyway since the BUB is now inside the AppLauncher area? All corners are a great position according to Fitt's Law so there's no need to move the position of the BUB relative to the rest of the launcher - and the Dash would ofcourse unflod accordingly. 2011/8/22 Eylem Koca eylemk...@gmail.com I totally agree that the Launcher edge alignment should be user configurable but with the Ubuntu icon (and Dash) on the top left, I don't see how it can be possible. Please see my proposal which makes this very possible: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg06309.html On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Niklas Rosenqvist niklas.s.rosenqv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody! I've said many times that the AppLauncher position needs to be configurable. In it's current implementation it only aligns to the left side of the screen edge. This is probably because most western languages read from left to right and it saves a lot of vertical space on widescreen monitors. Unity is designed to be a space saving environment but when a user uses a different screen rotation (vertical instead of horizontal - many people work like this when working with LO Calc or MS Excel) a ~ 60px wide vertical bar, taking sometimes up to more than 1920px vertical space, steals valuable horizontal space. If Unity really wants to be as versatile as Canonical are aiming for it needs to be able to adapt. Take for example this demo with a tablet running Ubuntu 11.04: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nHbRspykIQ There you can see how much space it actually waste. If it were able to automatically adapt depending on screen orientation or by manual configuration this problem wouldn't exist. I don't know if it adapts to right-to-left languages but it should be able to as well. A whole other question is how Canonical believes their global AppMenu can be easily used with touch displays, it seems like it would be next to impossible to select what you want on such a tiny space. The Elementary Project's philosophy regarding AppMenu's is far much more suited for a touch screen environment: http://elementaryos.org/docs/human-interface-guidelines/ui-toolkit-elements/appmenu Cheers! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana Post to : ayatana@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
