Re: [backstage] Developer jobs
So, smilies aside. Did the guy finally find out what those pay grades pay? And are we allowed to say? Surely we are? :P On 10/19/05, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smileys were invented for those people, many of whom have no sense of irony and wouldn't know a joke if it sat on their face. a wild guess but as your email is .co.uk you can't be one of themWell that's one definition.I've always opted for the idea that smileyswere invented essentially to help aide understanding.What is obviously a joke when presented verbally, is not always as clear when written in amonospaced font on screen!Especially if you have a very dry sense ofhumour IMHO.Unfortunately in recent years they've been hijacked, and it is not uncommon for them to be used by people as an excuse to be nasty topeople, and get away with it.Witness an example I had used against me on a message board over thesummer.Okay, it's paraphrased, but you'll get the idea. You really are a boring idiot aren't you? ;) ;) ;)This came half way through a heated debate as I recall, where I wascountering every single one of their propositions with facts that proved the complete opposite.As such, the intent of their message was veryclear.But the fact remains.Smileys are often abused, and personally, wellI'm afraid after ten years on internet based communities, I reluctantly took the attitude that unless I know the person (i.e. have communicatedwith them a lot on the past) I don't automatically trust the smileysthey insert in the message.Indeed I've even cut down my use of them for pretty much those reasons.Now please note, I'm not levelling any accusations of any wrongdoingagainst yourself, or anyone else on this list - just explaining why I'msometimes cynical about smileys, and no doubt why others sometimes are too.It's not about a sense of humour failure and more down to beingjaded by experience.Anyway, that's all a gross deviation from what this list is here for!Err...Prototypes!Yeah!Cheers Andrew-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Developer jobs
Found it, here's a link to the archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/msg00806.html :) On 19/10/05, Kosso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, smilies aside. Did the guy finally find out what those pay grades pay? And are we allowed to say? Surely we are? :P On 10/19/05, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smileys were invented for those people, many of whom have no sense of irony and wouldn't know a joke if it sat on their face. a wild guess but as your email is .co.uk you can't be one of themWell that's one definition.I've always opted for the idea that smileyswere invented essentially to help aide understanding.What is obviously a joke when presented verbally, is not always as clear when written in amonospaced font on screen!Especially if you have a very dry sense ofhumour IMHO.Unfortunately in recent years they've been hijacked, and it is not uncommon for them to be used by people as an excuse to be nasty topeople, and get away with it.Witness an example I had used against me on a message board over thesummer.Okay, it's paraphrased, but you'll get the idea. You really are a boring idiot aren't you? ;) ;) ;)This came half way through a heated debate as I recall, where I wascountering every single one of their propositions with facts that proved the complete opposite.As such, the intent of their message was veryclear.But the fact remains.Smileys are often abused, and personally, wellI'm afraid after ten years on internet based communities, I reluctantly took the attitude that unless I know the person (i.e. have communicatedwith them a lot on the past) I don't automatically trust the smileysthey insert in the message.Indeed I've even cut down my use of them for pretty much those reasons.Now please note, I'm not levelling any accusations of any wrongdoingagainst yourself, or anyone else on this list - just explaining why I'msometimes cynical about smileys, and no doubt why others sometimes are too.It's not about a sense of humour failure and more down to beingjaded by experience.Anyway, that's all a gross deviation from what this list is here for!Err...Prototypes!Yeah!Cheers Andrew-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Developer jobs
Yes, thank you. It was answered about a fortnight ago. I was a Senior Software Engineer (grade 8D) at the BBC about 6 monthsago, and was paid 32k. 7D is more like 28k, I think. There's also a link on the BBC website to a question which has been asked under the Freedom of Information act which roughly details the top and bottom levels for grades. Cheers, Rich. On 10/19/05, Kosso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, smilies aside. Did the guy finally find out what those pay grades pay? And are we allowed to say? Surely we are? :P On 10/19/05, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smileys were invented for those people, many of whom have no sense of irony and wouldn't know a joke if it sat on their face. a wild guess but as your email is .co.uk you can't be one of themWell that's one definition.I've always opted for the idea that smileyswere invented essentially to help aide understanding.What is obviously a joke when presented verbally, is not always as clear when written in amonospaced font on screen!Especially if you have a very dry sense ofhumour IMHO.Unfortunately in recent years they've been hijacked, and it is not uncommon for them to be used by people as an excuse to be nasty topeople, and get away with it.Witness an example I had used against me on a message board over thesummer.Okay, it's paraphrased, but you'll get the idea. You really are a boring idiot aren't you? ;) ;) ;)This came half way through a heated debate as I recall, where I wascountering every single one of their propositions with facts that proved the complete opposite.As such, the intent of their message was veryclear.But the fact remains.Smileys are often abused, and personally, wellI'm afraid after ten years on internet based communities, I reluctantly took the attitude that unless I know the person (i.e. have communicatedwith them a lot on the past) I don't automatically trust the smileysthey insert in the message.Indeed I've even cut down my use of them for pretty much those reasons.Now please note, I'm not levelling any accusations of any wrongdoingagainst yourself, or anyone else on this list - just explaining why I'msometimes cynical about smileys, and no doubt why others sometimes are too.It's not about a sense of humour failure and more down to beingjaded by experience.Anyway, that's all a gross deviation from what this list is here for!Err...Prototypes!Yeah!Cheers Andrew-Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group.To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Developer jobs
Hey Jonathan, It was a great one-liner, and made me snigger - but to be honest, jokes about nepotism within the BBC made on a BBC hosted list are probably going to go down like a faintly libellous bucket of cold sick. :-) [2] Stephen's formal response is understandable under the circumstances; the recruitment policy here is indeed set up to prevent any kind of favouritism, and that needed pointing out. Every so often you just have to put on your BBC hat [2]. Tedious, stuffy, not in the spirit of the brave new internet and all that, but necessary if one doesn't want to get impaled by some angry folk from HR. All of us BBC types are in an interesting position on list, in that we're here for fun and to take part, but we also have to walk that awkward line between being Auntie's babies and just another listee. Bear with our occasional humour lapses? You picked up the grades detail from the other mails, right? (And hey, this is me *without* my BBC hat on, and with my list-mothering hat [3] on, can you tell?) Kim [1] Note: REALLY BIG affectionate smiley here. [2] it looks a bit like the jobsworth award from 'That's Life!', if you remember that? [3] pink tweed, with plastic grapes and a pheasant feather. Kim Plowright New Product Development SCP, BBC iDE MC1 D6 08, Media Centre, BBC Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London, W12 7TQ http://www.bbc.co.uk/entertainment http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chetwynd Sent: 17 October 2005 19:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Stephen Elson Subject: Re: [backstage] Developer jobs Stephen, sense of humour failure isn't usually this prevalent even in the BBC. how about an answer to the original mail: Could anyone enlighten me as to how much grades 7D and 8D actually pay? regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet 29 Crimsworth Road SW8 4RJ 020 7978 1764 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Developer jobs
Matthew, Smileys were invented for those people, many of whom have no sense of irony and wouldn't know a joke if it sat on their face. a wild guess but as your email is .co.uk you can't be one of them cheers Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Learning Disabilities and the Internet 29 Crimsworth Road SW8 4RJ 020 7978 1764 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Developer jobs
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: sense of humour failure isn't usually this prevalent even in the BBC. How is anyone meant to know if you're joking or not? I believe that's why smileys were invented. how about an answer to the original mail: Could anyone enlighten me as to how much grades 7D and 8D actually pay? Perhaps you weren't subscribed at the time, but this was answered on the 4th of October: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/msg00806.html ATB, Matthew - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Developer jobs
Obviously someone forgot to put that information on the jobs site. Looks like someone else was wondering, as I found that there's been a freedom of information request asking for the exact same information, in connection to a job application! http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/docs/freedom_of_information/selected_requests_and_responses/SR2005000663_Salary_Ranges.pdf The ranges are quite wide, so a 7D in London is between £27,202 and £41,165. An 8D is £30,526 to £46,428 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: 03 October 2005 16:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Developer jobs Could anyone enlighten me as to how much grades 7D and 8D actually pay? (Maybe it's hex, and they pay £123,000 and £139,000 - I'm applying NOW if so. ;-) Cheers, R. On 10/3/05, Stephen Elson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of developer jobs have opened up in BBC Factual Learning which may be of interest to those on the Backstage list: Senior Client Side Developer: https://jobs.bbc.co.uk/jobportal/search/vacancy.aspx?id=6011 Client Side Developer: https://jobs.bbc.co.uk/jobportal/search/vacancy.aspx?id=6015 Apologies for the slightly off topic message... Steve - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Developer jobs
A couple of developer jobs have opened up in BBC Factual Learning which may be of interest to those on the Backstage list: Senior Client Side Developer: https://jobs.bbc.co.uk/jobportal/search/vacancy.aspx?id=6011 Client Side Developer: https://jobs.bbc.co.uk/jobportal/search/vacancy.aspx?id=6015 Neither of the links seem to be accessible... cheers, eric - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Developer jobs
Oops, sorry about that. Looks like these jobs have been marked as internal only, which they are not. I'll let you know when the Jobs site team have corrected the problem. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Casteleijn Sent: 03 October 2005 14:16 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Developer jobs A couple of developer jobs have opened up in BBC Factual Learning which may be of interest to those on the Backstage list: Senior Client Side Developer: https://jobs.bbc.co.uk/jobportal/search/vacancy.aspx?id=6011 Client Side Developer: https://jobs.bbc.co.uk/jobportal/search/vacancy.aspx?id=6015 Neither of the links seem to be accessible... cheers, eric - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
