Re: [BackupPC-users] OT: To top-post or not?
On Thu, 2021-02-04 at 16:26 -0800, Kenneth Porter wrote: > --On Thursday, February 04, 2021 11:24 AM +0100 Sorin Srbu > wrote: > > > I'll continue to end-post as before. :-) > > Not end/bottom post! That's really no better than top-posting, because we > still have to scroll down through the massive post you're quoting. > > Brutally trim the post you're replying to and INTERLEAVE your reply. So > it's trimmed/interleave you want to go for on public mailing lists. That's kinda' what I meant. Sorry it didn't come through! -- Kind regards, Sorin Srbu Find my OpenPGP public key here: https://cloud.srbu.se/index.php/s/KeEsCCDsG7PZG7N signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/
Re: [BackupPC-users] OT: To top-post or not?
On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 6:29 PM Kenneth Porter wrote: > > The biggest pain is finding an MUA that can support both and allows the > different quoting style. In interleaved, prefix the quote with "> ". In > top-post, copy the message below a separator line with no prefix. Has > anyone found a decent MUA that can do that? I love the ancient Mulberry for > mailing lists. But it insists on prefix-quoting when I top-post. So does > Thunderbird, which I use in parallel to deal with HTML email (which is > useful for support for inline images, like when a customer is reporting a > broken product). If you are willing to use gmail, the web interface mostly hides the already-read quoted parts whether they are above or below the new text, replacing them with an elipse (...) that you can click to expand in the unlikely event that you want to see it again. So it doesn't matter much whether the new part was on the top or bottom. And when you reply, if you expand the old part it shows as >prefixed if you want to interleave your reply or trim the quoted part. -- les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/
Re: [BackupPC-users] OT: To top-post or not?
Kenneth Porter wrote at about 16:26:19 -0800 on Thursday, February 4, 2021: > --On Thursday, February 04, 2021 11:24 AM +0100 Sorin Srbu > wrote: > > > I'll continue to end-post as before. :-) > > Not end/bottom post! That's really no better than top-posting, because we > still have to scroll down through the massive post you're quoting. > > Brutally trim the post you're replying to and INTERLEAVE your reply. So > it's trimmed/interleave you want to go for on public mailing lists. > > Top-posting is fine for private/business where you add correspondents as > the conversation progresses. > > The biggest pain is finding an MUA that can support both and allows the > different quoting style. In interleaved, prefix the quote with "> ". In > top-post, copy the message below a separator line with no prefix. Has > anyone found a decent MUA that can do that? Emacs vm! It's all written in lisp allowing you to do whatever you want... Nothing more powerful, nothing more simple! > I love the ancient Mulberry for > mailing lists. But it insists on prefix-quoting when I top-post. So does > Thunderbird, which I use in parallel to deal with HTML email (which is > useful for support for inline images, like when a customer is reporting a > broken product). > ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/
Re: [BackupPC-users] OT: To top-post or not?
> On Feb 4, 2021, at 7:28 PM, Kenneth Porter wrote: > > --On Thursday, February 04, 2021 11:24 AM +0100 Sorin Srbu > wrote: > >> I'll continue to end-post as before. :-) > > Not end/bottom post! That's really no better than top-posting, because we > still have to scroll down through the massive post you're quoting. > > Brutally trim the post you're replying to and INTERLEAVE your reply. So it's No one has voted for split posting yet. > trimmed/interleave you want to go for on public mailing lists. > > Top-posting is fine for private/business where you add correspondents as the > conversation progresses. > > The biggest pain is finding an MUA that can support both and allows the > different quoting style. In interleaved, prefix the quote with "> ". In > top-post, copy the message below a separator line with no prefix. Has anyone > found a decent MUA that can do that? I love the ancient Mulberry for mailing > lists. But it insists on prefix-quoting when I top-post. So does Thunderbird, > which I use in parallel to deal with HTML email (which is useful for support > for inline images, like when a customer is reporting a broken product). > > > > > > ___ > BackupPC-users mailing list > BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net > List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users > Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki > Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/ > ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/
Re: [BackupPC-users] OT: To top-post or not?
--On Thursday, February 04, 2021 11:24 AM +0100 Sorin Srbu wrote: I'll continue to end-post as before. :-) Not end/bottom post! That's really no better than top-posting, because we still have to scroll down through the massive post you're quoting. Brutally trim the post you're replying to and INTERLEAVE your reply. So it's trimmed/interleave you want to go for on public mailing lists. Top-posting is fine for private/business where you add correspondents as the conversation progresses. The biggest pain is finding an MUA that can support both and allows the different quoting style. In interleaved, prefix the quote with "> ". In top-post, copy the message below a separator line with no prefix. Has anyone found a decent MUA that can do that? I love the ancient Mulberry for mailing lists. But it insists on prefix-quoting when I top-post. So does Thunderbird, which I use in parallel to deal with HTML email (which is useful for support for inline images, like when a customer is reporting a broken product). ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/
Re: [BackupPC-users] OT: To top-post or not?
On 2/3/2021 9:09 AM, Sorin Srbu wrote: Hello all, Years ago when I last worked daily, and before my timeout, with BPC, the deal was to not top post. There were usually corrective comments if somebody forgot him/herself and in no uncertain terms. Has that changed over the years, and one can now top-post without infuriating and invoking the wrath of the senior members and list admins on this list? Seeing as how most mailers now top-post per default, I thought I'd ask... Thanks for any insights. A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? An old quote, but I always thought it summarized things nicely. I use top-posting for business and casual emails, but bottom / interleaved for mailing list replies. The only exception is when there is already an established chain of top-posted replies since the most confusing thing of all is an email chain where top and bottom posting have been intermixed. -- Bowie ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/
Re: [BackupPC-users] OT: To top-post or not?
On Wed, 2021-02-03 at 14:51 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 1:41 PM wrote: > > Paul Leyland wrote at about 18:59:24 + on Wednesday, February 3, 2021: > > > I have, very reluctantly, been forced to accept top-posting. > > > > Sadly, that has become too true. My solution is that a short answer is > > easier/simpler to top-post -- but any serious and in-depth dialog is > > much better off being woven into the earlier posting so that one can > > see context and not have to rewrite or reread. > > I'd guess that these days enough people use gmail's web interface that > collapses 'already read' content to ellipses that you can ignore or > expand that it doesn't really matter whether the new part is at the > top or bottom. But yes if you need to reply to different parts it > should be interwoven. Ok, thanks all for your insights and comments. To summarize, it seems like my questions can be answered with "maybe", "sometimes" and "it depends". :-) I'll continue to end-post as before. :-) -- Kind regards, Sorin Srbu Find my OpenPGP public key here: https://cloud.srbu.se/index.php/s/KeEsCCDsG7PZG7N signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/
Re: [BackupPC-users] OT: To top-post or not?
Top-posting is for email systems where people continually join a thread and there's no central archive to consult to see what has gone on before. It's suitable for business correspondence. Mailing lists and newsgroups are different: They have archives where new list members can look to see the history of a thread. The only thing you should quote in your reply is enough context to make it clear what in the previous post you're replying to. Interleave your reply with the context hints you quote. But chop out everything else. We've already read it. We don't need another copy. I filter mailing list messages to a seperate folder for each list and my mail clients know how to thread a discussion into a tree structure. It keeps my inbox uncluttered and I can easily understand the structure of a converstation. ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/
Re: [BackupPC-users] OT: To top-post or not?
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 1:41 PM wrote: > > Paul Leyland wrote at about 18:59:24 + on Wednesday, February 3, 2021: > > I have, very reluctantly, been forced to accept top-posting. > > Sadly, that has become too true. My solution is that a short answer is > easier/simpler to top-post -- but any serious and in-depth dialog is > much better off being woven into the earlier posting so that one can > see context and not have to rewrite or reread. I'd guess that these days enough people use gmail's web interface that collapses 'already read' content to ellipses that you can ignore or expand that it doesn't really matter whether the new part is at the top or bottom. But yes if you need to reply to different parts it should be interwoven. -- Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/
Re: [BackupPC-users] OT: To top-post or not?
I have, very reluctantly, been forced to accept top-posting. On 03/02/2021 14:09, Sorin Srbu wrote: > Hello all, > > Years ago when I last worked daily, and before my timeout, with BPC, the > deal was to not top post. There were usually corrective comments if somebody > forgot him/herself and in no uncertain terms. > > Has that changed over the years, and one can now top-post without > infuriating and invoking the wrath of the senior members and list admins on > this list? > Seeing as how most mailers now top-post per default, I thought I'd ask... > > Thanks for any insights. > > > > ___ > BackupPC-users mailing list > BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net > List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users > Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki > Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/ I much prefer adding new material at the end because it gives my readers a chance to note about that which I am commenting. Further, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put. 8-) ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/
[BackupPC-users] OT: To top-post or not?
Hello all, Years ago when I last worked daily, and before my timeout, with BPC, the deal was to not top post. There were usually corrective comments if somebody forgot him/herself and in no uncertain terms. Has that changed over the years, and one can now top-post without infuriating and invoking the wrath of the senior members and list admins on this list? Seeing as how most mailers now top-post per default, I thought I'd ask... Thanks for any insights. -- Kind regards, Sorin Srbu Find my OpenPGP public key here: https://cloud.srbu.se/index.php/s/KeEsCCDsG7PZG7N signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ BackupPC-users mailing list BackupPC-users@lists.sourceforge.net List:https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/backuppc-users Wiki:https://github.com/backuppc/backuppc/wiki Project: https://backuppc.github.io/backuppc/
