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Ke, da kuring mah teu kungsi nyebutkeun urang Kulon teu boga moral... Sakali deui kuring negeskeun yen kuring mah teu ngongget2 masalah moral.. Kang Kumi, Can mudik Kang? Atawa rek lebaran di JKT? ;)) Hampura Kang, enya ku kitu tea mah teu eksplisit... ngan kuring meureun jero teuing ngainterpertasikeun kalimat: Cutat: dilarapkeun ka urang Kulon anu geus ilahar ngumpul jeung munding alias freesex tea Tah implisit ngandung 'penilaian'moral. Lamun teu kitu hampura we... sabab kuring sok sering pisan ngadenge ieu kekecapan teh. Ngadongeng teh kajurung ku hayang bagi2 info we! Ke lamun perlu mah urang obrolkeun deui ieu perkara teh. Baktos, Rahman, Wassenaar/NL __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/BRUplB/TM ~- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baraya_sunda/ [Ti urang, nu urang, ku urang jeung keur urang balarea] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Baraya_Sunda/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Duka ketang, naon pertimbangan pulisi berpihak ka mana? Tah kieu (meureun) demokrasi anu salah kaprah teh, urusan kaamanan hukum oge mihakna ka mayoritas Kang AG, Muhun Kang, bingung mikiranana. Kuduna mah aparat teh ulah mihak ka kelompok naon bae oge. Ari aparat mah kudu mihak na teh kana hukum, alias netral. Sing saha bae anu ngobok2 katengtreman batur... komo make ngarusak katengtreman sacara fisik mah, nya kudu ditindak sacara tegas. Mun teu kitu, nya hukum nagara urang moal bener2. Sabab kalakuan anarki dibere omber, antukna wibawa hukum teh tambah nyororot we. Eukeur mah hukum teh euweuh huntuan, katambah dirorojok ti kenca katuhu. Wah... malaweung we jadina teh. Teu kaharti, jelema rek ibadah dihalang2!!! :((( Eta Kang, aya warta ngeunaan VCD IAIN, naon cenah eta teh? Kuring mah kurang apal kana eta urusan. Cik pangdongengkeun atuh! Baktos, Rahman, Wassenaar/NL __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/BRUplB/TM ~- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baraya_sunda/ [Ti urang, nu urang, ku urang jeung keur urang balarea] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Baraya_Sunda/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Atos, kapan ieu ge di udik, di imah mitoha... ti jakarta teh poe jumaah sore... ngeunah ayeuna mah, lancar mudix teh... Kang, pernah nyobaan lebaran di JKT? Kuring pernah nyobaan sakali... aya genah na. Mani molongpong! Genah geura he he he... cobaan sakali mah. Baktos, Rahman, Wassenaar/NL __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/BRUplB/TM ~- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baraya_sunda/ [Ti urang, nu urang, ku urang jeung keur urang balarea] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Baraya_Sunda/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Haturan Kang Kumi, Kuring rek lah2an ngadongeng kaayaan Kulon... rek ngalelempeng anggapan urang Wetan (RI) anu rada ngacapruk ngeunaan MORAL Kulon tea. Kieu Kang, samameh kuring indit ka Kulon, kuring ge sarua kitu, boga pikiran yen anu disebut Kulon teh teu boga moral. Nya sabangsa anu disebut ku Kang Kumi; siga seks bebas tea. Anu kaalaman ku kuring mah eta teh omong kosong gede! Sigana mah urang RI macarukkeun fiksi jeung kanyataan (lamun enya geus nyaho kana kanyataanana). Gambaran2 anu siga kitu kaluarna tina film2 atawa buku2 anu ngagambarkeun fiksi tea. Meureun aya oge hubunganana jeung kanyataan, tapi lain gambaran global! Lian ti kitu, hubungan perkawinan/pernikahan di Kulon mah anu paling penting lain urusan MORAL, tapi urusan HUKUM positif. LAmun kawin ngan ukur di gareja, masjid, sinagog jltea, teu diaku ku nagara. Kawin nagara anu penting. Nagara apan bebas tina intrik2 agama! Sekuler tea, urusan kanagaraan lesot tina urusan agama. Sabab agama/moral (dina hal ieu hubungan seks)mah dibalikkeun kana urusan pribadi masing2! Urang Kulon teu boga Moral? Kuring mah ngan ukur bisa nyerengeh we... Komo lamun ngabandingkeun jeung RI mah he he he Kitu Kang, sakadar dongeng inside we! baktos, RH --- kumincir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kang... kumaha upama (upama ieu mah, da enas-enasna mah kuring ge teu nyaho teu sing di rasa/hate batur) nu dihandap teh dilarapkeun ka urang Kulon anu geus ilahar ngumpul jeung munding alias freesex tea. Mun hatena (?) nyebutkeun teu dosa, jinah teh dosa atawa henteu? isk On 10/28/05, kang_gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kitu pisan kang. Pernah aya sahabat Rasul naros ka Kang Jeng Nabi. Kumaha carana nangtukeung hija laku, naha dosa atawa pi pahalaeun?. Rasul ngawaler, 'Tanya wae hate urang, lamun ceuk hate amal shaleh, nya pi saleheun; lamun ceuk hate pidosaeun nya dosa. Tuh pan, subjektif. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a difference. Find and fund world-changing projects at GlobalGiving. http://us.click.yahoo.com/j2WM0C/PbOLAA/E2hLAA/BRUplB/TM ~- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baraya_sunda/ [Ti urang, nu urang, ku urang jeung keur urang balarea] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Baraya_Sunda/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hatur nuhun kanggo dongengna, Kang... Nya kitu tea, bener pisan, kuring mah can kungsi nyaba ka nagri kulon, nyaho teh sakanyaho dumasar dongeng ti babaturan atawa tina tipi jeung sajabana. Ke, da kuring mah teu kungsi nyebutkeun urang Kulon teu boga moral... Sakali deui kuring negeskeun yen kuring mah teu ngongget2 masalah moral... Ieu mah dina konteks dosa sakumaha anu dicarioskeun ku Kang Gibson, nu nyarande kana penilaian hate. isk On 10/31/05, Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kieu Kang, samameh kuring indit ka Kulon, kuring ge sarua kitu, boga pikiran yen anu disebut Kulon teh teu boga moral. Nya sabangsa anu disebut ku Kang Kumi; siga seks bebas tea. Anu kaalaman ku kuring mah eta teh omong kosong gede! Sigana mah urang RI macarukkeun fiksi jeung kanyataan (lamun enya geus nyaho kana kanyataanana). Gambaran2 anu siga kitu kaluarna tina film2 atawa buku2 anu ngagambarkeun fiksi tea. Meureun aya oge hubunganana jeung kanyataan, tapi lain gambaran global! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a difference. Find and fund world-changing projects at GlobalGiving. http://us.click.yahoo.com/j2WM0C/PbOLAA/E2hLAA/BRUplB/TM ~- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baraya_sunda/ [Ti urang, nu urang, ku urang jeung keur urang balarea] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Baraya_Sunda/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Ceuk kuring ge bener mah subyektif (inklusif keur diri sorangan), Ih... enyaan lieur euy, maksud teh lain ink-- tapi eks-- Bléh... dasar! Ngalilieur maneh? Lain ketah... bakat ku belet! :(( Baktos, Rahman, Wassenaar/NL __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. http://us.click.yahoo.com/ons1pC/lbOLAA/E2hLAA/BRUplB/TM ~- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baraya_sunda/ [Ti urang, nu urang, ku urang jeung keur urang balarea] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Baraya_Sunda/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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From: Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ceuk kuring ge bener mah subyektif (inklusif keur diri sorangan), lamun aya batur anu sarua ngarasa bener nya sukur. Tapi lamun batur teu sarua ngarasa bener na... nya ulah nepika cacalawakan ngarasa pangbenerna... komo maksa batur sina ngaku bener. Pan teu bener tah! Nu kitu mah kudu dibebener sina rada bener, bener teu? Ieu dongeng soal budak kuring nu cikal nu kakara asup jadi mahasiswa. Si cikal teh ti TK tepi ka SMP sakolana di Sakola Islam, ngan di SMAna SMA Negeri. Aya hasilna, lumayan rada nyantri jeung teu kababawakeun ku nu teu uni. Ngan sok paur, sok sieun kapangaruhan kunu asa pangbenerna, maklum budak keneh gampang kapangaruhan. Ngan untungna teh lamun manehna bingung sok ngajak diskusi ka bapana (alias ka kuring). Sakapeng mah sok nepi ka hog-hag jeung budak teh, keun we dilatih demokratis .hehehehe. Nya kitu, ari barudak mah geuning, lamun geus ngarasa bener teh, hih hese ngayakinkeunana jeung hayangna teh batur sarua jeung manehna. Kabeneran manehna teh praktikum fisika dasar di sakolana. Der nyieun laporan praktikum, nanyakeun ka kuring, pedah eta dititah ngukur panjang hiji barang nepi ka sababaraha kali nu hasil ukuranana beda-beda, teu pas. Manehna kudu ngitung katalitianana jeung kasalahanana (error/ ketidak pastianana). Ceuk kuring teh, tah ayeuna mah maneh nyaho, yen dina fisika ge teu aya nu disebut bener pisan, tetep we aya nu disebut kasalahan/ ketidakpastian, nepi ka kudu diitung kasalahanana. Maneh ngukur ieu panjangna 10 senti, tapi naha bener pas 10 senti? acan tantu sabab bisa wae ngan 9, 95 senti atawa leuwih 10,03 senti, nu matak hasil ngukur anu resmi/ standar mah sok make tanda plus-minus nu nandakeun hasil ukuran teh sabenerna teu aya nu pas. Ieu hartina bebeneran teh teu aya nu pasti bener pisan , sanajan dina elmu nu pang eksaktana oge. Diterangkeun kitu teh, budak kuring ngahuleng ..duka ngartieun duka henteu, ngan paling henteu kuring hayang ngajelaskeun yen teu meunang ngaku asa pangbenerna, rek dina widang naon wae oge. Eh .jadi ngacapruks .maklum sono geus lami teu posting, nuju pakepuk, maklum jalmi kuli..padahal ari bari puasa mah kondisi badan teh turun 75%, da bari didamel teh emut wae kana meja makan .hehehehehe. Baktos, WALUYA Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/X3SVTD/izNLAA/E2hLAA/BRUplB/TM ~- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baraya_sunda/ [Ti urang, nu urang, ku urang jeung keur urang balarea] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Baraya_Sunda/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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On 10/28/05, kang_gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dih ari akang! akang anu lieur mah; batur anu paseana, akang anu geringna!!! he he he enya kang yeuh, jangar! Yeuh kang anu penting mah: 1. Urang ulang nyalahkeun batur Ari ngelingan wajib meureun nya kang? meureun lamun batur rek tigebrus kana durukan, gancang urang rawel. mun manehna keukeuh hayang kaduruk, antepkeun we da hirup mah ukur milih jeung milih nya kang? 2. Urang ulah lieur ku batur 3. Urang ulah ngalilieur batur satuju kang, urang kedah jentre lamun ngelingan batur jadi batur teu lieur he he he... Terus, ari soal klaim bener/salah mah urusan hawa nafsu; ceuk kasauran Panghulu K.H. Hasan Mustapa tea mah: ani disebut bener teh nyaeta lamun sapagodos jeung urang; lamun heteu, nya disebut salah. Pan sederhana? upama di dieu mah enya sederhana, lamun tos di dunya enyaan mah hese jeung rumit.. Lian ti eta, ari anu kasebatna konflik (pasea) mah tos karesep karakter manusa. Sakuma agama ngalarang beak karep, ah da meureun geus jadi kulit jadi daging resep wae nu aya, aya nu nyebut (hadist asana mah) ihtilaf teh rahmat, mun kasarna mah pasea teh rahmat, ngan pasea nu mana? abong manusa salian ti boga uteuk teh, oge di bere leungeun, jadi lamun uteuk geus panas biasana leungeun milu pasea. lamun perlu AGAMA dijadieun ALESAN pikeun ngajejeleh tur ngabeguk atawa maehan batur Iiiihh bararaid AG./Bdg. enya kang loba jalema nu maehan make alesan agama padahal manehna teu ngarti naon ari agama, dalah jalma nu ceunah ngarti ge loba nu api-api teu ngarti === uing, dudi -- keindahan dan kekejaman, mengapa keduanya itu sering bergandengan dan kawin? (burung-burung manyar, yb. mangunwijaya) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/BRUplB/TM ~- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baraya_sunda/ [Ti urang, nu urang, ku urang jeung keur urang balarea] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Baraya_Sunda/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
