[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
Dear baroque lutenists, I erred: I have the Lei.II.6.24 by Tree Edition - fantastic collection - but not the Lei.II.6.14. In the cataloque of Tree there is also Lei.III.11.26, but I cannot find the Lei.II.6.14 there? What and where could it be? Could CNRS perhaps call some part of the 24 by 14? Arto On 04/03/11 00:00, wikla wrote: Well, thanks Charles, this is just what I meant! I do _have_ this Tree Edition facsimile!! Just the number of names and codes are confusing! Now I know where to find the versions to compare with the ms. Barbe, which is also called by name Rés. Vmb. ms. 7... Somebody should collect and map all the names of this ocean of names of these wonderful manuscripts! Arto On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:50:40 +0100 (CET), Charles Browne char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk wrote: Arto, there is a Tree Edition facsimile of this MS - Leipzig II.6.14 printed in 1999 Charles Message Received: Mar 03 2011, 09:43 PM From: wikla To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ? Dear b-lutenists, in the CNRS Gallot book there is reference to ms. Lei. II 6 14. Is there any other name or link to that ms.? Or perhaps even a Peter Steur code and link? thanks in advance... Arto PS I have an idea that Gallot is an interesting composer... ;) PS2 These multiple names and codes of mss. can be confusing... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
I erred: I have the Lei.II.6.24 by Tree Edition - fantastic collection - but not the Lei.II.6.14. In the cataloque of Tree there is also Lei.III.11.26, but I cannot find the Lei.II.6.14 there? Tree edition has it - and I have it from them. It is almost all Gallot, see: http://w1.bnu.fr/smt/d.htm The II.6.24 is something different, Peter has it here: http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?ms=D-LEm6-24id=2type=mslang=deu I find that we all should get the RISM for free from the UN Lute High Commissioner. B To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
I agree 200 percent Bernd ;-) Jean-Marie = == En réponse au message du 04-03-2011, 11:58:11 == I find that we all should get the RISM for free from the UN Lute High Commissioner. B To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
Perhaps we have already something: http://opac.rism.info/index.php and in English, too http://opac.rism.info/index.php?id=2L=1 The main page http://www.rism.info/ Or what is this? Arto On 04/03/11 14:24, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: I agree 200 percent Bernd ;-) Jean-Marie = == En réponse au message du 04-03-2011, 11:58:11 == I find that we all should get the RISM for free from the UN Lute High Commissioner. B To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
Nice, but, The main page http://www.rism.info/ Or what is this? I cite: The information in Series B and C is still only available in book form. And Boetticher is the the B series, I think :)) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
Hello Arto, Critical editions of lute music, such as those published by CNRS in the Corpus des Luthistes Français, often have an elaborate critical apparatus that calls for much use of abbreviations, which are always resolved somewhere in the book. The abbreviations about which you inquire start on page XXV of the Gallot edition. The ones you mention refer to a pair of manuscripts in the Musik Bibliothek der Stadt Leipzig (Lei.): Ms. II. 6. 14 and Ms. II. 6. 24. By the way, did you notice that the Lachrimae motive is sounded in tghe lower line at the beginnig of Gallot's L'Amat malheureux (No. 98)? Weiss also made an arrangement of that piece. Several volumes of RISM are described briefly on the Finding Tools list on Wayne's Lute Page: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Sources.html RISM BVII mentioned in SMT refers to Wolfgang Boetticher's inventory of manuscript lute and guitar tablatures, listed there also with some warnings. His entries are often faulty and sometimes contain very little useful information (e.g., extensive lists of pages and folios that are blank in the manuscript; few composers given, unless mentioned on the titlepage). Sometimes manuscrpts are moved, and Boetticher doesn't realize what happened and the descriptions are different for the same manuscript. Here is a good overall summary of the types of music and music literature inventoried in RISM. It's amazing what it covers! For example, manuscripts of Persian music, or Ancient Greek Music Theory Writings (by . . . Tom Mathiesen--'member him?g). As well as the usual stuff, of course. http://hcl.harvard.edu/libraries/loebmusic/isham/rism.cfm#rism Arthur. - Original Message - From: wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Cc: Charles Browne char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:42 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ? Dear baroque lutenists, I erred: I have the Lei.II.6.24 by Tree Edition - fantastic collection - but not the Lei.II.6.14. In the cataloque of Tree there is also Lei.III.11.26, but I cannot find the Lei.II.6.14 there? What and where could it be? Could CNRS perhaps call some part of the 24 by 14? Arto On 04/03/11 00:00, wikla wrote: Well, thanks Charles, this is just what I meant! I do _have_ this Tree Edition facsimile!! Just the number of names and codes are confusing! Now I know where to find the versions to compare with the ms. Barbe, which is also called by name Rés. Vmb. ms. 7... Somebody should collect and map all the names of this ocean of names of these wonderful manuscripts! Arto On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:50:40 +0100 (CET), Charles Browne char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk wrote: Arto, there is a Tree Edition facsimile of this MS - Leipzig II.6.14 printed in 1999 Charles Message Received: Mar 03 2011, 09:43 PM From: wikla To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ? Dear b-lutenists, in the CNRS Gallot book there is reference to ms. Lei. II 6 14. Is there any other name or link to that ms.? Or perhaps even a Peter Steur code and link? thanks in advance... Arto PS I have an idea that Gallot is an interesting composer... ;) PS2 These multiple names and codes of mss. can be confusing... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Annual list of lute summer schools - can you add anything?
From: A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net To: Lute List l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Annual list of lute summer schools - can you add anything? Chris asks if you know of any appropriate summer schools not listed here, you let him know at [1]lute...@aol.com and he will include the school when he posts a final list on the web page of the Lute Society (U.K.). Those lute schools are a wonderfujl experience, and you'll make friendships that will last a lifetime. - Original Message - From: [2]lute...@aol.com To: [3]lute...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:53 AM Subject: Annual list of lute summer schools - can you add anything? Dear lute friends Here is my annual list of summer schools which have either a lute tutor or where lutes are welcome, which I am about to put in Lute News magazine, and on the lute society website. At the bottom I have put summer schools which happened last year, but do not seem to have published details for this year. Can you add anything to the list - have I missed any lute weeks or weekends? Teachers!! please check I have got all the details of your course correct. best wishes Chris Goodwin 2011 Mar 25-27 Al manere minstrelsy, with the Dufay Collective, at Jackdaws Music Education Trust, Great Elm, Frome BA11 3NY, tel: 01373 812383 www.jackdaws.org.uk Apr 1-3Songs to the lute and guitar, at West Dean, with Michael Fields, at West Dean College, West Dean, Chichester PO18 0QZ tel 0844 4994408 or from overseas ++44 1243 811301 / fax: 811343 e: short.cour...@westdean.org.ukweb: www.westdean.org.uk Apr 12-19Easter Early Music Course at St George's School Ascot, contact Geri Coop, tel: 07971 388 509 www.easterearlymusiccourse.org.uk Apr 15-17 Lutefest at Benslow, with Jakob Lindberg, Jacob Heringman, Stewart McCoy, Jeni Melia, Sarah Groser, Benslow Music Trust, Little Benslow Hills off Benslow Lane, Hitchin, Herts SG4 9RB. Tel: 01462 459446 (fax: 440171). Email: i...@benslow.org Apr 25-May 1 Musica antica a Monterone/Sestone, Arezzo, with Sigrun Richter. Details: www.sigrunrechter.de, e: li...@sigrunrichter.de tel: ++39 0575 772219 Apr 26 - May 1Benslow Baroque Oratorio, Handel's Theodora, at Benslow Music Trust, contact, as above. Apr 26-29 Renaissance Music at Easter, Wedgwood Memorial College, Stoke on Trent, Contact: 01782 372105 e: wedgewood.memor...@stoke.gov.uk web: www.stoke.gov.uk/wedgewoodmemorialcollege May 11-15 Kloster Schlehdorf, Kurs Alte Musik, with Axel Wolf, Marion Teupel-Franck, tel: ++49 89/ 6012755 e: schlehd...@flautotraverso.de www.flautotraverso.de May 27-29 Music from the Cradle of the Renaissance, with Sarah Stowe, Benslow Music Trust, Little Benslow Hills off Benslow Lane, Hitchin, Herts SG4 9RB. Tel: 01462 459446 (fax: 440171). Email: i...@benslow.org www.benslow.org Jun 2-15 Tafelmusik Baroque Summer Music Institute, with Lucas Harris, lute continuo class, University of Toronto, Canada, tel. ++1 416 964 9562, ext: 241 e: t...@tafelmusik.org web: www.tafelmusik.org Jun 29-July 3 Oberlin baroque performance institute, Back to Bach. Contact: Baroque Performance Institute, Conservatory of Music, 39 West College Street, Oberlin, Ohio 44074 1576, USA, tel: Anna Hoffmann ++1 440 775 8413 /fax: 8942 e: anna.hoffm...@oberlin.edu web: www.oberlin.edu/conservatory/summer/baroque-performance-institute/ Jun 19-25 Mediaeval and Renaissance Workshop Music from the Edges of Music with Tim Rayborn, Sonoma State University, CA, contact: San Francisco Early Music Society, PO Box 27495, Berkeley, CA 94127 0495, USA, tel: ++1 510 528 9808 email: sf...@sfems.org web: www.sfems.org Jun 26-July 2Baroque Music Workshop The Italian Connection incl. baroque orchestra, Sonoma State University, CA, contact: San Francisco Early Music Society, details above. July 2-9International Summer School of Early Music, Valtice, Czech Republic. with Brian Wright, Miloslav Student, Contact: The Czech Music Society, Radlicka 99, CZ 15000 Praha 5, Czech Republic. Tel/ fax: ++420 2 35 351942 /fax: 2 515 52453 e: valtice.veron...@centrum.cz www.early-music.cz July 9-16 Madison Early Music Festival El nueveo mundo: The Age of Exploration in the New World, with Grant Herreid and Scott Pauley, University of Wisconsin, contact: e: cbow...@dsc.wisc.edu, web:
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
Yay … ! Mat -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Gesendet: Freitag, 4. März 2011 13:44 An: Jean-Marie Poirier Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ? Perhaps we have already something: http://opac.rism.info/index.php and in English, too http://opac.rism.info/index.php?id=2L=1 The main page http://www.rism.info/ Or what is this? Arto On 04/03/11 14:24, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: I agree 200 percent Bernd ;-) Jean-Marie = == En réponse au message du 04-03-2011, 11:58:11 == I find that we all should get the RISM for free from the UN Lute High Commissioner. B To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
Any hope or/and info of the series B and Botticher being web-published? Arto On Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:53:44 +0100, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote: Nice, but, The main page http://www.rism.info/ Or what is this? I cite: The information in Series B and C is still only available in book form. And Boetticher is the the B series, I think :)) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ms. Lei. II 6 14 ?
Arthur, --- On Fri, 3/4/11, A. J. Ness arthurjn...@verizon.net wrote: By the way, did you notice that the Lachrimae motive is sounded in tghe lower line at the beginnig of Gallot's L'Amat malheureux (No. 98)? Weiss also made an arrangement of that piece. It just so happens that in a few hours I'll be giving my doctoral lecture recital at Eastman. The topic is Weiss's use of timbre and I discuss these versions in my presentation. I think this amply demonstrates why Arto is calling for more uniformity in naming as well as connecting names with catalog numbers. There is the version of L'Amant Malheureux in London with the number LbmI, which is easy enough to find. But then there is the version in g minor in PnVmc61. This is the so-called Paris manuscript. Not just the Paris manuscript, the Paris Thibault manuscript. Not just the Paris Thibault manuscript, ONE of the Paris Thibault manuscripts. I can't recall which volume number off the top of my head even though I've recently researched it. This number is of course not connected with its current catalog number. There are also the two versions (allemande en double and gigue) in ROI. The Deutsche Lautengelsellschaft recently published this as the Rohrau manuscript, but in English we're apparently calling it Harrach I and II. Tim Crawford has an excellent discussion of this source in a recent LSA Journal. This is not to be confused (but undoubtedly will be by some) with the already known Harrach manuscript in New York. Chris Christopher Wilke Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
